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Old 07-05-2007, 04:08 PM   #251
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This day has been boring far too long. Let's make some noise. I would like to know more from Izulde as well...for lack of a better selection.

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Old 07-05-2007, 04:12 PM   #252
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Hoops I think giving info is a way to gain trust. I wouldn't think that the wolves would necessarily hide info at all, especially as the info that has been given is rather sparse.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:13 PM   #253
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Just got out of a meeting and catching up. Doesn't look like I missed much.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:15 PM   #254
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:20 PM   #255
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Since everyone's checked in, would the person that I passed the recipe to please verify that it was what I said it was?
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:21 PM   #256
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I always appreciate the support but what made you go with hoops?
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:25 PM   #257
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Nice to see 6 members online right now, means people are around and thinking =)

I was in teh kitchen last night, my PM said I might find something with more time there but it mentioned nothing of anyone else being there either.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:25 PM   #258
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I'm skeptical considering no one has come forward stating that they saw another person with them last night and I know someone was in the same place as I was (the storeroom).

Just to clarify, are you suggesting you saw another person last night? Or are you saying that someone had already posted that they were in the same room you were last night - which would dissuade you from the idea that we could use PMs to pin down by location?
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:27 PM   #259
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I know I was in the storeroom as well.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:33 PM   #260
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OK, here are the results of my digging from today's posts:

Post #145 - Alan posts night results, DT dead in library
Post #146 - Pass says he was in library, got a recipe
Post #147 - Ardent in storeroom, no other info
Post #149 - Lathum in storeroom, found nothing
Post #150 - Hoops in kitchen, found nothing
Post #151 - NTN in library, found nothing
Post #154 - RenderR in kitchen, found nothing
Post #159 - Barkeep posts, but no info on previous night
Post #160 - ChiefRum in library, found nothing, could learn with more study
Post #161 - Swaggs in library, learned recipe
Post #162 - Cronin in great hall, "enigmatic" PM
Post #166 - LSG posts, but no info on previous night
Post #175 - Izulde received no info of any sort, thinks he slept in his room?
Post #216 - Path spent night in kitchen
Post #222 - Barkeep posts that he was in the storeroom

- LSG has posted multiple times without reporting results from last night.
- Barkeep posted multiple times before indicating what room he was in, no indication of finding/not finding anything
- Ardent has never indicated if he found anything last night
- Cronin has never indicated if he found anything last night
- Path has never indicated if he found anything last night
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:37 PM   #261
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Ardent and BK - did either of you receive any kind of info about the other person being in the room with you? Because up to this point I haven't heard anything that suggests we would learn this type of information. Based on my own PM and what others have posted ...
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:40 PM   #262
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Just to clarify, are you suggesting you saw another person last night? Or are you saying that someone had already posted that they were in the same room you were last night - which would dissuade you from the idea that we could use PMs to pin down by location?
I am stating that I don't think we learn who else was with us as I was in the storeroom, as were several others, and none of us have suggested that we got a notice stating that we saw each other.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:40 PM   #263
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Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:41 PM   #264
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And I really don't feel like we learned anything over the night which is very disappointing and it seems to have left a lot of us confused over who to vote for tonight.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:42 PM   #265
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Yeah, I'm curious about this as well. If you clip me you aren't going to be losing any kind of cool role and I'll move my item along before dying. But I like to think I bring some value to the table in terms of generating conversation that puts pressure on bad guys.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:44 PM   #266
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Ardent and BK - did either of you receive any kind of info about the other person being in the room with you? Because up to this point I haven't heard anything that suggests we would learn this type of information. Based on my own PM and what others have posted ...
I didn't get any information about people. If you feel like pushing the envelope, I'll tell you what I found.

After sifting through stuff (the PM made it sound like there was a whole bunch of stuff in the storeroom) I settled on a yellow flower.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:44 PM   #267
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Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

I saw that part, but I guess I didn't follow where you had results that matched Izulde's. Especially since I recall you being suspicious of him earlier - will go find the post or else post saying my memory was off.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:44 PM   #268
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*Grumbles* My last post didn't go through, so here it is again.

I'm still very unsure of almost everyone and while I am willing to change my votebefore the dealine I am going to keep the vote even as it stands right now:

VOTE LSG
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:44 PM   #269
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I'm willing to move it, but I'd like to hear more from him at this point.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:47 PM   #270
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I didn't get any information about people. If you feel like pushing the envelope, I'll tell you what I found.

After sifting through stuff (the PM made it sound like there was a whole bunch of stuff in the storeroom) I settled on a yellow flower.

In terms of "pushing the envelope" - there aren't all that many posts to go through. A bad guy could certainly do the same thing I did while trying to figure out his night target. So I could have kept this information private, hoping that I wasn't helping the bad guys out, or make it public and give everyone the opportunity to respond to it while making their voting decisions.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:50 PM   #271
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My PM also indicated a lot of stuff, however most of it was deemed "worthless". I have no doubt that Ardent was in the storeroom, though I'm not sure what good that does.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:52 PM   #272
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In terms of "pushing the envelope" - there aren't all that many posts to go through. A bad guy could certainly do the same thing I did while trying to figure out his night target. So I could have kept this information private, hoping that I wasn't helping the bad guys out, or make it public and give everyone the opportunity to respond to it while making their voting decisions.
I think I see what you're saying.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:54 PM   #273
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Nothing to report unfortunately, as I received no information of any sort. My guess is I spent all evening sleeping in my room.

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I'm not sure I believe Izulde.

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I agree. Seems to me people have a default sleeping place, in this case the great room, if they don't submit. I feel like he'd still have gotten a "you didn't get anything" PM.

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I want clarification from Izulde about where he was last night.

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This day has been boring far too long. Let's make some noise. I would like to know more from Izulde as well...for lack of a better selection.

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I'm willing to move it, but I'd like to hear more from him at this point.

Here are all the Izulde-related posts, so it looks like I was remembering incorrectly about LSG casting suspicion at him. It was, in fact, Passacaglia that she questioned.

However, you did have an opportunity to match up with Izulde's story earlier as suspicion was building towards him. If I had found myself not submitting my night action, and then seeing Izulde take heat, I think I would have pointed out that his report was consistent with what I had seen.
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:55 PM   #274
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I really dont want to vote Izulde, since he hasn't played in awhile, just to get pressure off of myself but he really hasn't posted that much and didn't vote yesterday so I guess that will anyway

vote izulde
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:57 PM   #275
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I want to go back to this post by barkeep:

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"I agree. Seems to me people have a default sleeping place, in this case the great room, if they don't submit. I feel like he'd still have gotten a "you didn't get anything" PM."

I didn't tell Alant anything and I did not receive a pm at all
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Old 07-05-2007, 04:59 PM   #276
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I dont think Izulde is taking a lot of heat, I think people are voting for him to get him to talk and he isn't on right now so he isn't able to. People are going to vote for him for lack of information. but honestly, if he was a wolf, wouldn't he be online more and take more interest in this game???
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:02 PM   #277
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Here is what I'm showing for votes right now, as of Post #276:

LSG - Cronin (164), RendeR (268)
Hoops - Barkeep (213), Lathum (254)
Izulde - Path (219), AE (251), Pass (269), LSG (274)
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:05 PM   #278
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You know, LSG and Izulde seem to have similar stories. I don't want to vote for either of them. So I am gonna go out onto a limb.
Vote Path
- - there are a couple of minor things that lead me that way...first person voting on Izulde for differing story than most of us.
- - only revealing his kitchen location and not mentioning whether or not he found something.

These lead me more towards him than anyone else. (Although iadmit ihave no strong feeling about anyone...just small uneasynesses)
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:07 PM   #279
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I dont think Izulde is taking a lot of heat, I think people are voting for him to get him to talk and he isn't on right now so he isn't able to. People are going to vote for him for lack of information. but honestly, if he was a wolf, wouldn't he be online more and take more interest in this game???

not neccesarily. If you have a busy day in real life you have a busy day in real life. that can not be avoided.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:25 PM   #280
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Hoops, I don't suppose you have a list of who stayed where last night, do you?
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:28 PM   #281
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Just from memory I think I have:

Great Hall - st.cronin
Possibly Nowhere - Izulde, LoneStarGirl
Kitchen - DaddyTorgo
Storeroom - ardent enthusiast, Barkeep49
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:30 PM   #282
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actually DT died in the Library, iwas there as well,
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:31 PM   #283
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some of that info is in post 260 cronin
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:34 PM   #284
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Great Hall - st.cronin
Possibly Nowhere - Izulde, LoneStarGirl
Library - DaddyTorgo, ntndeacon, Chief Rum, Swaggs, Passacaglia
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:37 PM   #285
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Looks like path is the only one who I don't know where he was last night.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:38 PM   #286
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I'm going to vote for somebody in the Library.

unvote LoneStarGirl
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:44 PM   #287
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My idea might take some balls, but I still think it is a good idea.

Our goal here is to find some information out. I may be wrong, but it appears that we don't have any specialized roles to help us. I'm not sure how we are supposed to build a CoT without potions/spells and if we don't work together on getting them to the same person, we are in a catch-22.

I think it is a poor idea to broadcast recipes, so I think I offered a decent alternative. I think I asked for some fairly specific items to make the recipe, so I was obviously not asking for everything, AND I would clearly be accountable for the recipe, so it isn't like I could do a whole lot of underhanded stuff with it.

I feel suspcious of Pass, because I think if he were fleshing thoughts out with others, they would have considered my proposal as something helpful for us students and thought of ways to keep it from happening.

I'm not sure what to do with the recipe now, since the day is almost over. I will probably just randomly pass it to someone.

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Old 07-05-2007, 05:49 PM   #288
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Swaggs, you're going about it exactly backwards. You're asking people to include you in their CoT without giving a good reason for it. Whereas if you were to identify a person as trustworthy, and you passed them the recipe, that person would then trust you, and would perhaps be able to return the favor in some way. Now, granted, you might give the recipe to a wolf, but that's probably pretty low odds.

I also think that's exactly what Pass has done, and that's what I would do if I had a recipe I couldn't use.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #289
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Swaggs, you're going about it exactly backwards. You're asking people to include you in their CoT without giving a good reason for it. Whereas if you were to identify a person as trustworthy, and you passed them the recipe, that person would then trust you, and would perhaps be able to return the favor in some way. Now, granted, you might give the recipe to a wolf, but that's probably pretty low odds.

I also think that's exactly what Pass has done, and that's what I would do if I had a recipe I couldn't use.

That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:56 PM   #290
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That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?

No idea. But I also don't have anything valuable, except some very vague idea of what happens in the Great Hall. I expect that will be public info tomorrow, though.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:57 PM   #291
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No idea. But I also don't have anything valuable, except some very vague idea of what happens in the Great Hall. I expect that will be public info tomorrow, though.

If you have any items, they might be valuable.

I'm glad you have faith that things will reveal themselves. I don't share that hope.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:02 PM   #292
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Swaggs, the most basic point I want to get across to you is this: We know that the wolves start out the game with recipes. So anybody who says "I have a recipe" is going to have an impossible time earning trust, unless they either make that recipe public (which I am not advocating), or pass the recipe on to somebody else.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:04 PM   #293
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Swaggs, the most basic point I want to get across to you is this: We know that the wolves start out the game with recipes. So anybody who says "I have a recipe" is going to have an impossible time earning trust, unless they either make that recipe public (which I am not advocating), or pass the recipe on to somebody else.

How do we know that wolves start out with recipes?
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:11 PM   #294
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That's all fine in theory, but how are you planning on building a CoT?
I think we build a COT through the use of potions and items. Through the use of things like a crystal ball and mind read, and perhaps through things like sleeping potion, can we form the COT.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:18 PM   #295
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I think we build a COT through the use of potions and items. Through the use of things like a crystal ball and mind read, and perhaps through things like sleeping potion, can we form the COT.

I agree, but are useful "finished" products like spells/crystal ball/potions found whole or do they need built/constructed? I was under the assumption that we need to acquire their plans and components and put them together, but maybe I am way off.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:21 PM   #296
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That's what has me concerned as well. This whole process of guessing what items combine make me feel like I'm playing Monster Rancher Werewolf. Probably a bad example, but anyone who's played MR may know what I'm talking about.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:23 PM   #297
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CR, this frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is no lynching good for one day but not two in your opinion?

Because we have enough leeway, IMO, to go a day in this manner, especially where the odds are tremendously against us actually catching a wolf. I think that leeway ends at one day, though. Giving away two days to the wolves is too much for too little gain.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:30 PM   #298
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I'm skeptical considering no one has come forward stating that they saw another person with them last night and I know someone was in the same place as I was (the storeroom).

I am, too. I mean, I was in the library last night, and there were others, too, according to personal admissions made here, and none of us say a guy getting his neck broke.

So my guess is we're not going to see kills unless we have magic to see them, or we somehow survive said attack (if we're the victims).
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:31 PM   #299
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I agree, but are useful "finished" products like spells/crystal ball/potions found whole or do they need built/constructed? I was under the assumption that we need to acquire their plans and components and put them together, but maybe I am way off.
No I think these things are assembled as well, which means we're going to be slow in constructing our COT. Consider it advantage wolves.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:39 PM   #300
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Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

Both this and Izulde's story don't fly with me. There is no "room" for everyone. We're tarpped in a great hall with three rooms off to the side. Either you sleep in one of the three rooms, or you sleep in the great hall, which, according to the rules, is the default. So there shouldn't be any missing PMs from not having sent in a location to spend the night.

I am undecided at this point if I will vote for LSG or Izulde, but that's where I am leaning right now.
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