WW 110 - Mortal Kombat (Game Over) OUTWORLD WINS - Page 10

J23 · 03-12-2010, 02:06 PM

Yeah, when you gave up your character name, I expected a lynch on you and then EF to win the game. Oh well, good game wolves.

Telle · 03-12-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Well, crap, I guess I was a wolf.

*high-five* Awesome job, teammate

Poli · 03-12-2010, 02:08 PM

All the duke play did for me was know which villager I could absolutely trust.

PurdueBrad · 03-12-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I don't understand your tactic as duke here PB. You tried to get people to lynch you so you could duke it to them, but how is it any more likely to hit a wolf than a villager when the village has no real information? Why not play a normal game and then save your duke until you have something damning on someone and duke it to them? When your attitude was oh well, go ahead and lynch me, I assumed you might be the brutal, and was ok in "taking one for the team" so to speak, especially when we had already lost so many roled villagers. I didn't even consider you playing the duke like that.

I wanted to see who would put votes on me, which you and EF both did twice. I picked between the two people that I was able to drive "villager" votes (meaning, I knew I was a villager) with. I screwed up picking you over EF, that was really all. PLUS, once we lost seer/BG, we had no shot at COT w/o a reveal by me (which likely wouldn't have been believed) or getting myself lynched.

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:12 PM

When ntn posted about my choice of picking a character I thought I was screwed. I honestly know nothing about the MK universe and saw that character name in a search so I did the whole Shu something post.

Then Telle found out that the person she claimed to be wasn't exactly a "good guy" in the MK realm.

Very nice job by Telle being prepared and coming out with a name quickly. She saved us with that play I believe.

We probably bored DV as we were very quiet wolves. I was actually trying to not say much just to see how it played out if it didn't look like we had anything planned between us for voting.

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:14 PM

I have to say, day two became a wolves' wet dream. The seer being lynched and then picking right and killing the BG.

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:16 PM

I got really paranoid on the day of the duking. It suddenly hit me that PB was the duke (when he was trying to get Poli to claim the role) and I thought I was about to be duked to.

Thanks for the game DV, good game.

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

*high-five* Awesome job, teammate

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:19 PM

I think I know my fate for next game though.

(looks over shoulder to see if Poli is watching)

J23 · 03-12-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I wanted to see who would put votes on me, which you and EF both did twice. I picked between the two people that I was able to drive "villager" votes (meaning, I knew I was a villager) with. I screwed up picking you over EF, that was really all. PLUS, once we lost seer/BG, we had no shot at COT w/o a reveal by me (which likely wouldn't have been believed) or getting myself lynched.

I'm more refering to your trying to get lynched since day1 comment. I just don't see how it's any better than a random duking.

Obviously, I can understand duking to someone if you're going to be lynched since it makes you 100% trusted, and there's at least a chance of hitting a wolf. However, trying to force the matter, especially early in a game, just doesn't make sense to me.

PurdueBrad · 03-12-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I'm more refering to your trying to get lynched since day1 comment. I just don't see how it's any better than a random duking.

Obviously, I can understand duking to someone if you're going to be lynched since it makes you 100% trusted, and there's at least a chance of hitting a wolf. However, trying to force the matter, especially early in a game, just doesn't make sense to me.

I more wanted to start getting some conversation around me. I was being a bit sarcastic saying that I was trying to get D1 lynched, but I was trying to lay the groundwork that an eventual push on me could be easy enough to get the votes. Then it would just be a matter of choosing which 'pusher' to vote for.

Danny · 03-12-2010, 02:23 PM

I don't understand not duking to the person you're voting for. You learn more in the event you're wrong and since you voted for the person, you'd think you'd want to duke them.

Autumn did the same thing in the last game when he duked away from PB onto Daddytorgo.

J23 · 03-12-2010, 02:25 PM

Oh well, you almost had EF I guess.

I had guessed that both of you might have been wolves with the bickering back and forth from you two. Of course I didn't think of the fact that there were likely only 2 wolves, which would have made that scenario a lot less likely.

PurdueBrad · 03-12-2010, 02:32 PM

Yeah, I blew the choice. And I had put in the order for EF hours earlier and at the last minute, convinced myself that I must be wrong. 10 minutes before the deadline, I switched it to you.

ntndeacon · 03-12-2010, 02:40 PM

Good game y'all. It is good to know that sometimes my radar is not totally wrong.

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, I blew the choice. And I had put in the order for EF hours earlier and at the last minute, convinced myself that I must be wrong. 10 minutes before the deadline, I switched it to you.

Phew, my subliminal posts worked.

KWhit · 03-12-2010, 02:50 PM

I'm just SOOO happy with the way this went down with me being lynched basically because of how the villager PMs were worded.

KWhit · 03-12-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm just SOOO happy with the way this went down with me being lynched basically because of how the villager PMs were worded.

Should say how the vanilla villager PMs were worded.

Autumn · 03-12-2010, 03:14 PM

Yes, Danny, I think the only real way the Duke is helpful in the game is if he's a lead lynch candidate and dukes to the other lead lynch candidate. That's a whole lot of vote history exposed instantly. I goofed the other game thinking that PB was hinting at a seer finding. It's a hard role to use well.

It seems like the wolves have been cleaning the table these past few games. Getting the seer and the BG so quickly, that was nasty.

What made you guys nightkill me?

J23 · 03-12-2010, 03:16 PM

I was really surprised when Danny voted you for it since I knew it meant you had a role, but suspected it could easily have been a villager role. It put you on my radar, but I didn't want to lynch you at that point. The rest of the run happened before I got back to the thread sadly :/

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Yes, Danny, I think the only real way the Duke is helpful in the game is if he's a lead lynch candidate and dukes to the other lead lynch candidate. That's a whole lot of vote history exposed instantly. I goofed the other game thinking that PB was hinting at a seer finding. It's a hard role to use well.

It seems like the wolves have been cleaning the table these past few games. Getting the seer and the BG so quickly, that was nasty.

What made you guys nightkill me?

Just fishing and it looked like you weren't someone that was going to draw fire anytime soon. The top three in my mind to go after were Lathum, KWhit and Danny but stayed away from Lathum and KWhit because they looked poised to draw scrutiny the next day.

Also thought about Poli but his reveal had me worried about potentially wasting a night kill on him and creating a trusted player.

Danny · 03-12-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I was really surprised when Danny voted you for it since I knew it meant you had a role, but suspected it could easily have been a villager role. It put you on my radar, but I didn't want to lynch you at that point. The rest of the run happened before I got back to the thread sadly :/

Well, I went with the odds there. I had one of the two important villager roles, so I figured Kwhit was either the seer or one of two wolves.

CrimsonFox · 03-12-2010, 10:50 PM

One thing I don't understand (and some of of the last few games had this too) is when someone uses the logic of "Don't lynch him, he's probably the brutal and that would screw us". That logic (and it's come from villagers) is totally weird because you have to kill the brutal eventually to win. So NOT killing him because you're scared of the result of the extra kill just doesn't make any sense. Either kill him now or kill him later you still have to kill him and the extra kill will eventually come. Am I missing something?

EagleFan · 03-12-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

One thing I don't understand (and some of of the last few games had this too) is when someone uses the logic of "Don't lynch him, he's probably the brutal and that would screw us". That logic (and it's come from villagers) is totally weird because you have to kill the brutal eventually to win. So NOT killing him because you're scared of the result of the extra kill just doesn't make any sense. Either kill him now or kill him later you still have to kill him and the extra kill will eventually come. Am I missing something?

In the game it was 3-2 at the time. If they had lynched me (the brutal) it would have been 2-1 after the lynch and subsequent brutal kill. The night kill would have then made it 1-1 and game over.

If they lynched Telle instead of me it would have been 2-1 going into the next day and then lynching me would trigger my brutal but would leave one villager standing for the win for the village.

It only matters when you get down to a 1 person difference between the village and wolves.

Lathum · 03-12-2010, 11:36 PM

I had Telle nailed but no one would listen.

If I may give some constructive criticism to DV, the way the PM's were done was very confusing with regards to being a vanilla villager, yet also having a name that had a role in the game.

I think this created a lot of confusion. My advice would be if you are going to send out a generic PM post it in the game thread for everyone to see so there is no meta gaming going on.

Darth Vilus · 03-12-2010, 11:59 PM

Oh no problem with constructive criticism, i was about to ask what everyone thought of this game anyways, see how my first one did. Questions, comments, concerns?

And i know it's my fault, but in my defense i did post that not all roles would be in the game and in the PMs it said vanilla villager. But i get what u all mean, problem will not occur again :-)

Poli · 03-13-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Oh no problem with constructive criticism, i was about to ask what everyone thought of this game anyways, see how my first one did. Questions, comments, concerns?

And i know it's my fault, but in my defense i did post that not all roles would be in the game and in the PMs it said vanilla villager. But i get what u all mean, problem will not occur again :-)

It's unfortunate that I picked up on kwhit having a role. I contemplated keeping it to myself for a variety of reasons...but I felt that the wolves had picked up on the same thing I did and that his best chance at survival if he was a villager was to reveal. I figured if push came to shove he'd come clean...but he didn't.

If he reveals, I wonder how different things would have been.

Autumn · 03-13-2010, 12:03 PM

It seems we've had a rash of seers and bodyguards getting lynched without revealing lately, though maybe that's not the case. Maybe people are playing too close to the vest, or just not around at deadlines.

03-12-2010, 02:08 PM	#453
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	All the duke play did for me was know which villager I could absolutely trust. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-12-2010, 11:59 PM	#476
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Oh no problem with constructive criticism, i was about to ask what everyone thought of this game anyways, see how my first one did. Questions, comments, concerns? And i know it's my fault, but in my defense i did post that not all roles would be in the game and in the PMs it said vanilla villager. But i get what u all mean, problem will not occur again :-) __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

03-12-2010, 02:06 PM	#451
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Yeah, when you gave up your character name, I expected a lynch on you and then EF to win the game. Oh well, good game wolves.

03-12-2010, 02:12 PM	#455
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	When ntn posted about my choice of picking a character I thought I was screwed. I honestly know nothing about the MK universe and saw that character name in a search so I did the whole Shu something post. Then Telle found out that the person she claimed to be wasn't exactly a "good guy" in the MK realm. Very nice job by Telle being prepared and coming out with a name quickly. She saved us with that play I believe. We probably bored DV as we were very quiet wolves. I was actually trying to not say much just to see how it played out if it didn't look like we had anything planned between us for voting.

03-12-2010, 02:14 PM	#456
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I have to say, day two became a wolves' wet dream. The seer being lynched and then picking right and killing the BG.

03-12-2010, 02:16 PM	#457
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I got really paranoid on the day of the duking. It suddenly hit me that PB was the duke (when he was trying to get Poli to claim the role) and I thought I was about to be duked to. Thanks for the game DV, good game.

03-12-2010, 02:19 PM	#459
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I think I know my fate for next game though. (looks over shoulder to see if Poli is watching)

03-12-2010, 02:23 PM	#462
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I don't understand not duking to the person you're voting for. You learn more in the event you're wrong and since you voted for the person, you'd think you'd want to duke them. Autumn did the same thing in the last game when he duked away from PB onto Daddytorgo.

03-12-2010, 02:25 PM	#463
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Oh well, you almost had EF I guess. I had guessed that both of you might have been wolves with the bickering back and forth from you two. Of course I didn't think of the fact that there were likely only 2 wolves, which would have made that scenario a lot less likely.

03-12-2010, 02:32 PM	#464
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Yeah, I blew the choice. And I had put in the order for EF hours earlier and at the last minute, convinced myself that I must be wrong. 10 minutes before the deadline, I switched it to you.

03-12-2010, 02:40 PM	#465
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Good game y'all. It is good to know that sometimes my radar is not totally wrong.

03-12-2010, 02:50 PM	#467
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm just SOOO happy with the way this went down with me being lynched basically because of how the villager PMs were worded.

03-12-2010, 03:14 PM	#469
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yes, Danny, I think the only real way the Duke is helpful in the game is if he's a lead lynch candidate and dukes to the other lead lynch candidate. That's a whole lot of vote history exposed instantly. I goofed the other game thinking that PB was hinting at a seer finding. It's a hard role to use well. It seems like the wolves have been cleaning the table these past few games. Getting the seer and the BG so quickly, that was nasty. What made you guys nightkill me?

03-12-2010, 03:16 PM	#470
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	I was really surprised when Danny voted you for it since I knew it meant you had a role, but suspected it could easily have been a villager role. It put you on my radar, but I didn't want to lynch you at that point. The rest of the run happened before I got back to the thread sadly :/

03-12-2010, 10:50 PM	#473
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	One thing I don't understand (and some of of the last few games had this too) is when someone uses the logic of "Don't lynch him, he's probably the brutal and that would screw us". That logic (and it's come from villagers) is totally weird because you have to kill the brutal eventually to win. So NOT killing him because you're scared of the result of the extra kill just doesn't make any sense. Either kill him now or kill him later you still have to kill him and the extra kill will eventually come. Am I missing something?

03-12-2010, 11:36 PM	#475
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I had Telle nailed but no one would listen. If I may give some constructive criticism to DV, the way the PM's were done was very confusing with regards to being a vanilla villager, yet also having a name that had a role in the game. I think this created a lot of confusion. My advice would be if you are going to send out a generic PM post it in the game thread for everyone to see so there is no meta gaming going on.

03-13-2010, 12:03 PM	#478
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	It seems we've had a rash of seers and bodyguards getting lynched without revealing lately, though maybe that's not the case. Maybe people are playing too close to the vest, or just not around at deadlines.

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