Werewolf XLVIII - The horror of sorcery hill (Game over)

[Swaggs]

Well, I'm feeling like we need to get the voting going a little bit.

I am leaning towards LSG because of how folks peeled off of her yesterday, but I'm still open for debate. There are really only a few players I would not consider voting for at this point.

[path12]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Also, if anybody has a recipe that has an ingredient of mold in it, I would love to have it. Or if somebody needs mold, just let me know

I know a recipe that requires mold, but I plan to pass it.

[hoopsguy]

Post time: 2:31 AM

Originally Posted by Izulde

Nothing to report unfortunately, as I received no information of any sort. My guess is I spent all evening sleeping in my room.

Post time: 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Seems to me something about Pass just isn't sitting well. First he jumps on Swaggs and then seems to be highly knowledgeable about what the wolves might or might not know

And Cronin, did you give a good reason for voting me?

Post time: 9:49 AM

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I wasn't saying I was going to vote for you Pass, just expressing some concern.
It definitely feels like we are on day one all over again though.

Post time: 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Hoops I told y'all what happened last night. I spent the final night of my trip in Houston with my mother and flew in yesterday afternoon and did not tell Alant where I wanted to go. Totally my fault, but I got caught up in saying good bye to family and forgot all about telling Alant where I wanted to sleep. So I am right along with Izulde, I guess I slept in my room. I had no PM from Alant since the initial post telling me my name and my one ingredient.

You only got around to mentioning this after Izulde had started attracting votes (he had two at the time). In hindsight, he didn't have as big a lead as I thought - I thought you came out with this after he had 4+ votes.

OK, so is your vote for me because you honestly think I'm a wolf or because I'm questioning you? I can understand being frustrated by scrutiny that is falsely placed, but I would like to hear if you honestly believe I'm a wolf or if this is a frustration vote.

I'm still having a very hard time believing that we had four villagers caught in the crossfire yesterday. As BK said, only a 27% chance of that based on purely on a random # generator.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Thats why, it makes no sense and would be an excellent way to build Trust in the community. I've read osme of the games you've played, you're a sly one LSG =) and I respect that, hence my vote.

I think you would be the first person in all the games I have played with to call me sly.

[Poli]

Meh. My vote for him was initially to put heat on him. I felt vindicated early on when he was online yet didn't bother to say anything. I thought about making a note of it around 6pm...when to check if he had even been online during the day I noticed he had just been on. I thought, meh, someone will say it's meta gaming, so I let it go.

I thought I was pretty clear that if I felt my vote could be worthwhile I'd have moved it. I considered you early yesterday until you made the point you made...though now it escapes me. BK, well, meh, I'm inclined to wonder about him. I hadn't considered LSG but I guess I should have.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I think you would be the first person in all the games I have played with to call me sly.

Heh, I know I've thought it. I think it was the superhero game where I was dead wrong about you. I know there was a game where I thought, "there's no way she's a bad person" only to be dead wrong.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Meh. My vote for him was initially to put heat on him. I felt vindicated early on when he was online yet didn't bother to say anything. I thought about making a note of it around 6pm...when to check if he had even been online during the day I noticed he had just been on. I thought, meh, someone will say it's meta gaming, so I let it go.

I thought I was pretty clear that if I felt my vote could be worthwhile I'd have moved it. I considered you early yesterday until you made the point you made...though now it escapes me. BK, well, meh, I'm inclined to wonder about him. I hadn't considered LSG but I guess I should have.

Not sure where you are going here, AE. This is obviously said to Someone, but who.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by path12

I know a recipe that requires mold, but I plan to pass it.

I would say pass it to me but i might not make it through the night, so nevermind

[path12]

I'm having a much tougher time than normal with this vote.

[path12]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I would say pass it to me but i might not make it through the night, so nevermind

I think everyone feels that way!

[Poli]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Not sure where you are going here, AE. This is obviously said to Someone, but who.

Sorry, thought it was clear but LSG jumped in...see Hoops post (2 above that post) about the 4 that voted for Izulde yesterday.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well thanks Ardent, that makes me feel better

Hoops I know you are too good of a player to be so dead wrong about a person and you are very wrong about me. So my vote is a little frustration but more so that you are picking at straws and pointing blame at me. Unfortunately there are a couple of people in this game that will see hoops voting for LSG and immediately vote for me because you said so. And you know that would happen. Plus nobody is throwing out any other good names although I still am suspicious of ntndeacon but seem to have to focus on you and not him which might hurt the villagers in the long run.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm having a much tougher time than normal with this vote.

I'm inclined to go Lathum, BK, or LSG, I just don't know.

[LoneStarGirl]

I would love to know why nobody is inclined to vote hoopsguy? Why is he cleared ?

[ntndeacon]

I am suspicious of Ardent still. he has shared some...(I wonder if he has other knowledge) The mercury that he has seems suspect. I just wonder if he will "find" some beeswax tomorrow as well.

Of the ones with votes I would be willing to vote for Lathum but would rather not on the other two as there are others more lupine to me. But for now I am going with my first instinct.
Vote Ardent

If I need to change I will in an hour or so. (Dr. Who is on)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Well thanks Ardent, that makes me feel better

Hoops I know you are too good of a player to be so dead wrong about a person and you are very wrong about me. So my vote is a little frustration but more so that you are picking at straws and pointing blame at me. Unfortunately there are a couple of people in this game that will see hoops voting for LSG and immediately vote for me because you said so. And you know that would happen. Plus nobody is throwing out any other good names although I still am suspicious of ntndeacon but seem to have to focus on you and not him which might hurt the villagers in the long run.

I'm dead wrong pretty frequently. What I think I am willing to do is re-evaluate my assumptions fairly quickly when I feel like I'm drifting in the wrong direction. Doesn't mean that I'll get it right with my next guess, but I try not to be stubborn to the point of ineffective.

I would hope that when I put together arguments for my votes that other will find them compelling. I don't know what else to say in response to that part of the above statement.

[Poli]

If you've got dirt, spill it!

I'm just saying, I feel comfortable that he's on our side. I can think back to the game where "I" nailed him as the seer, and he was "helpful" then as well. Dunno.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I am suspicious of Ardent still. he has shared some...(I wonder if he has other knowledge) The mercury that he has seems suspect. I just wonder if he will "find" some beeswax tomorrow as well.

Of the ones with votes I would be willing to vote for Lathum but would rather not on the other two as there are others more lupine to me. But for now I am going with my first instinct.
Vote Ardent

If I need to change I will in an hour or so. (Dr. Who is on)

Come on kid. What was I supposed to do? Post via my cellphone while I was at work in a hospital where I don't get a signal?

I know I've reported everything I've done/know. What about you?

[hoopsguy]

Sifting through posts from today, so I'll be around but maybe not responding right away for a few.

[Lathum]

If people really wanna know I have a yellow flower and last night I gained an artificial lense.

Lynch me if you want to be it's a waste, I have been very upfront with the fact that I'll be quieter then usual this game.

[Poli]

Well, I passed my flower and mercury in case I'm gone tonight.

Reading a financial book with my wife and watching Jericho in about 20 minutes. I likely won't be around much.

[Poli]

Gah, I have to get a vote in, otherwise I may never get one in.

[Barkeep49]

I am also wondering how we established a COT. The whole establishment of that group concerns me, quite honestly.

[Poli]

Screw it. I'm holding off for now. I can't decide and I'm in sorta of a rush. Maybe I can get back in time.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

There are some other recipes that are known as well, but I'm not sure if they should be revealed publicly at this point. I guess I feel comfortable revealing that the holy water we made was spring water plus a special container to make holy water in (or a holy flask). I dunno if that counts as an ingredient...maybe it should. The only other recipe I know is for the other potion that we made today.

So just to follow, you made something besides holy water today?

[Poli]

Good catch, hoops. I missed that earlier. Book time. Thank God for Tivo.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I am also wondering how we established a COT. The whole establishment of that group concerns me, quite honestly.

We have a COT? I have a couple people I lean towards trusting due to their actions, but I don't think there's a COT.

I have to run soon so I need to place a vote regardless of the fact I don't have a good candidate.

Total gut.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Out till later tonight.

[RendeR]

Anyone got a vote count at this point?

[hoopsguy]

Here are posts that caught my eye in terms of information revealed by players. Notice the last one.

Post 387 - Alan posts night results
Post 388 - Lathum found nothing in storeroom, received potion of eternal bond from Pass yesterday
Post 389 - Hoops found nothing in kitchen
Post 398 - Pass learned a new recipe
Post 401 - Swaggs got another item/ingredient in storeroom, got an Izulde item on his death
Post 403 - Swaggs started w/shrooms, got lens from Izulde, found bulb on night 2
Post 407 - RendeR found nothing in kitchen
Post 410 - BK found item in storeroom
Post 411 - Swaggs sending Pass items, is looking for liquids
Post 413 - BK has sour milk, but item from Night 2 not a liquid
Post 417 - bad guys have mercury and beeswax
Post 423 - Hoops started with cactus bulb
Post 427 - Swaggs looking for special container
Post 432 - Swaggs correlates (again) room to finding - think this is correct
Post 437 - Path has peppers
Post 438 - Path has special container
Post 441 - Path got recipe in library, has one of ingredients but is not thinking silencing potion helps us
Post 443 - Path found special container in kitchen Night 1
Post 444 - Path passing items to Pass
Post 448 - Pass says Swaggs has passed everything he needs to
Post 454 - Swaggs passing item to either Pass or Path
Post 457 - NTN passed lens to Pass, found interesting recipe Night 2
Post 459 - NTN got recipe for sleeping potion
Post 461 - NTN was in library Night 2
Post 464 - Pass has holy water, looking for thoughts on this
Post 490 - BK has item not mentioned yet, lizard tail
Post 494 - Path posts that mold is also an item
Post 498 - Pass knows recipe for eternal bond, holy water, and "other potion we made today"?
Post 504 - LSG found white globe in kitchen. Started with mold.
Post 518 - Path asks about peppers/shrooms combo
Post 522 - Path destroying recipe, since three people know it, worried about falling into wrong hands
Post 527 - AE started with mercury, found yellow flower Night 1 in storeroom
Post 552 - planning to pass recipe that requires mold
Post 570 - Lathum started w/yellow flower, found artificial lense (initially said he found nothing in post #388)

[hoopsguy]

Vote count, as of Post #579. Pretty wide open.


Lathum - Pass (533)
LSG - RendeR (537)
Hoops - LSG (547)
Ardent - NTN (565)
Rum - Path (577)

[path12]

I can go with that, Hoops. Lathum was one of the others I was considering and that is odd.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE LATHUM

Now I really need to run.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum could certainly suggest that he was playing it close to the vest with information. There certainly were people who did that yesterday. But I think the point needs to be raised. And I hope he makes his way in before deadline to speak towards it.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by path12

We have a COT? I have a couple people I lean towards trusting due to their actions, but I don't think there's a COT.

I have to run soon so I need to place a vote regardless of the fact I don't have a good candidate.

Total gut.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Out till later tonight.

My CoT is Pass and you, right now. Certainly not 100%, but I don't think I'm likely to do a lot better at this point in the game.

Right now, I'm leaning towards a handful of folks because I feel like their logic of how to break things open differs a bit from mine or there participation doesn't feel right to me right now.

[Swaggs]

Hoops, what do you think of Barkeep, so far, this game?

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, I've had him on my radar most of the way. His play has been pretty inconsistent, trending towards the opposite of how an experienced wolf would usually play. I've had him in my final 2-3 every day and haven't pulled the trigger yet. He was also in the final group yesterday, and if I'm sticking to that group for my vote I think that is where my vote will go now.

[hoopsguy]

There really wasn't that much late action that changed the vote outcome last night - no one new showed up on Izulde in the last two hours. LSG, Barkeep, and I each picked up votes in the last ten minutes, but no tie was ever forced.

I wonder if it would have played out any differently if BK had three votes on him instead of two. I think it is pretty unlikely that he and RendeR are on the same team, given the very late action with his vote.

[Swaggs]

I'm going to go ahead with Barkeep tonight.

I think his play just feels off to me in this game, and I agree with hoops, about his inexperienced wolf-like play, which makes me even more suspicious of his play.

Obviously nothing concrete and I fear we are going to fall short of having everyone get a vote in, so tonight's vote "leader" may end up with 2 or 3 votes by the looks of things.

Anyway...

Vote Barkeep49

[ntndeacon]

alright I am iffy on Lathum too, and like him better than some of the other possibilities out there. So to make it a little more desisive.
Unvote Ardent
Vote Lathum

[hoopsguy]

Awful lot of people without votes in yet. Time to take the plunge. I like Lathum as a candidate a lot better than me (duh) or Ardent and I'm going to back off LSG for now.

VOTE LATHUM

[Barkeep49]

Ok in the middle of a never ending HU match. Want to get a vote in case this doesn't end.

Vote Lathum

Will explain more later, but basically off of hoops list.

[Swaggs]

Hmmm....

[RendeR]

Lathum - Pass (533), Path(581), NTN(588)
LSG - RendeR (537)
Hoops - LSG (547)


Seem right as of now?

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I'm wondering about the run myself. Updated votes, as of Post #591:

Lathum - Pass (533), Path (581), NTN (588), Hoops (589), Barkeep (590)
LSG - RendeR (537)
Hoops - LSG (547)
Barkeep - Swaggs (587)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK< I slept in the storeroom last night and saw nothing.

I can also confirm it was I who Passacaglia passed the potion to and it is the potion of eternal bond. I don't have the ingredients to make it. I didn't get home until after the deadline last night and I think it's always bad to reveal to much in the night phase which is why I am revealing now.

I did find an ingredient last night.

so where did I say I didn't find anything?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

As appealing as the sour milk sounds, it is not what I need.

I need a special container + the liquid.

If anyone can help me with this stuff, I'll be happy to use it in front of you all today or pass it off to someone who would promise to use it today, in front of us.

If your liquid is the same as for the recipe I found last night, gimme the sign of the cross.

I, too, need a liquid and a special container.

[Swaggs]

This fairly blows my CoT to high hell.

I had Pass and Path pretty well in my CoT, with hoopsguy on the next rung down, but the Lathum vote doesn't smell quite right to me.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so where did I say I didn't find anything?

Ugh - misread "saw nothing". Sorry for the confusion, hope that this doesn't get you lynched. Wish you had shown up 10-15 minutes earlier, but glad you arrived now.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE BARKEEP

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are posts that caught my eye in terms of information revealed by players. Notice the last one.

Post 387 - Alan posts night results
Post 388 - Lathum found nothing in storeroom, received potion of eternal bond from Pass yesterday
Post 389 - Hoops found nothing in kitchen
Post 398 - Pass learned a new recipe
Post 401 - Swaggs got another item/ingredient in storeroom, got an Izulde item on his death
Post 403 - Swaggs started w/shrooms, got lens from Izulde, found bulb on night 2
Post 407 - RendeR found nothing in kitchen
Post 410 - BK found item in storeroom
Post 411 - Swaggs sending Pass items, is looking for liquids
Post 413 - BK has sour milk, but item from Night 2 not a liquid
Post 417 - bad guys have mercury and beeswax
Post 423 - Hoops started with cactus bulb
Post 427 - Swaggs looking for special container
Post 432 - Swaggs correlates (again) room to finding - think this is correct
Post 437 - Path has peppers
Post 438 - Path has special container
Post 441 - Path got recipe in library, has one of ingredients but is not thinking silencing potion helps us
Post 443 - Path found special container in kitchen Night 1
Post 444 - Path passing items to Pass
Post 448 - Pass says Swaggs has passed everything he needs to
Post 454 - Swaggs passing item to either Pass or Path
Post 457 - NTN passed lens to Pass, found interesting recipe Night 2
Post 459 - NTN got recipe for sleeping potion
Post 461 - NTN was in library Night 2
Post 464 - Pass has holy water, looking for thoughts on this
Post 490 - BK has item not mentioned yet, lizard tail
Post 494 - Path posts that mold is also an item
Post 498 - Pass knows recipe for eternal bond, holy water, and "other potion we made today"?
Post 504 - LSG found white globe in kitchen. Started with mold.
Post 518 - Path asks about peppers/shrooms combo
Post 522 - Path destroying recipe, since three people know it, worried about falling into wrong hands
Post 527 - AE started with mercury, found yellow flower Night 1 in storeroom
Post 552 - planning to pass recipe that requires mold
Post 570 - Lathum started w/yellow flower, found artificial lense (initially said he found nothing in post #388)

Read my above post where I say I found an item, so tell me hoops, how is that initialy saying I didn't find anything?

VOTE HOOPSGUY

seems like a set up to me

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If your liquid is the same as for the recipe I found last night, gimme the sign of the cross.

I, too, need a liquid and a special container.

It has already been mixed.

I had the recipe, Pass had the liquid, and Path had the container. I received both and mixed them and then handed it off to Pass, who, presumably, decided not to use it yet and likely passed it off, as well.

The fact that the were willing to pass the items is what earned them my semi-trust.

[Lathum]

I may need to swith for self preservation