NFL Week 12

[kingfc22]

How the hell is that not a flag, yet the hit on Brees on Sunday was???

Still a bullshit call.

[Julio Riddols]

WTF was that TNF intro song? Who the hell does that appeal to?

Also, regarding the non flag - Damn I wish they would stop babying the QB's.

[cuervo72]

Heh. My daughter was ripping on that last week. "Who's city? Your city? It's not your city. And why do you have long sleeves but aren't wearing pants? Wait, who ARE you anyway?"

[cuervo72]

Uh, Nessler? Ingram was upset that the whistle blew. Derp.

[albionmoonlight]

I did not expect the Saints to go on the road on Thursday against a division opponent after having played the late game on Sunday against a physical 49ers team and win.

I am happy that they pulled that out.

Next week against Seattle (with both teams having had a long week to prepare) should be a really good one.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Uh, Nessler? Ingram was upset that the whistle blew. Derp.

How any NFL level running back misses that hole blows my mind though. When they showed the replay I about shit myself in my incredulity. It was literally 8 feet wide and right in front of him and he tries to bounce AROUND a blocker that forces him to move laterally into the arms of the guy who was completely out of the play until Ingram decided he didn't like how that huge hole looked. I almost think he was mad at himself for being such a dumbass.

[BishopMVP]

Just curious if anyone out there supports the decision to attempt a FG there with 2 minutes left? I know it's 4th and 15 and your best WR's are injured, but that's just a weak decision.

PS - has the NFL banned dunking the ball as a celebration yet?

[Logan]

I turned it back on right before the kick (think it was actually about 2:25 left?) so I was more interested in the play calling leading up to that. But not knowing that, I probably would have just went for it. It would be different if it was a chip shot but it was about 53 yards right? No gimme.

I think I'd rather go for the conversion, and if you don't get it, maybe you'll earn a little in the way of field position or, ideally in a failure, they end up catching a deep INT which is effectively a pooch punt. At the very least you save the 7 yards on the missed FG.

Even if he made the kick, you then have to recover the onside kick and if you fail, you've given them significantly better field position than where they would have taken over on a failed 4th down try. And in the event you stop them from getting a first down, in the "FG is good" scenario, they're probably in field position where it makes more sense to just go for it on 4th and end the game. Whereas if you went for it originally, they would punt.

The odds were likely pretty small in either situation. I'm sure we'll get the win probabilities soon that would shed some more light on the call, statistically.

[Julio Riddols]

Considering Bryant had hit his last 9 over 50 plus, and it was in a dome.. I think the kick was the right call. Converting a 4th and 15 is WAY less likely than hitting a 50 yard FG these days, and the Falcons had enough time on the clock to get a stop and get the ball back for another FG. They could have kicked off normally if the FG had been good, then they would have had to get a 3 and out.

I think if they get the FG and a 3 and out, they probably win the game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I think if they get the FG and a 3 and out, they probably win the game.

Then again, there's the odds of the Falcons getting a 3-and-out to consider. They did it on the opening drive of the night, did it once more in the 2nd qtr, not once in the 2nd half.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then again, there's the odds of the Falcons getting a 3-and-out to consider. They did it on the opening drive of the night, did it once more in the 2nd qtr, not once in the 2nd half.

Very true. I wonder if the percentages favor the 3 and out approach over trying to convert a 4th and 15. I bet it's pretty close.

[cartman]

I'm pretty sure this is a flashing neon sign of dementia:

Jerry Jones, owner of Dallas Cowboys, says he's doing his best job in years - ESPN Dallas

[jeff061]

So for my birthday my girlfriend bought me sideline tickets to the Pats game tonight, tickets to the Smerlas/DeOssie pre and post game tailgate and a private limo ride there and back.

So yeah, I don't think I am going to try and compete when her birthday rolls around.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice - have fun Jeff!!!

I've got to say that I'm havin g a hard time seeing how the Pats can pull out a win tonight, so I'm going to go into it with real low expectations. But that's probably also a strategy to keep myself from getting too upset.

Edit to clarify: I think offensively they would be able to keep it close (although to be fair they're not firing on all cylinders as impressively as Denver), but I just think defensively with all the injuries they won't be able to stop Denver enough to give the offense the chance to keep it close.

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory. And you know what - I hope that's the way it plays out and I'd gladly take all the ribbing it if it does. If that's what it takes!

[albionmoonlight]

The game will be tied 24-24 with five minutes left in the fourth quarter. The camera will pan to an animated Belichick, who will be taking a cornerback aside and pointing to something and showing him how to diagnose a double move. Then the camera will pan to Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

Then DaddyTorgo will say "oh, yeah. I forgot. We have the greatest coach of the last 25 years and they have the guy fired from the Jaguars." Then he will throw in a "Good Times!" because I suspect that he reads a lot of Bill Simmons

[bulletsponge]

how is that not a flag on the houston defender? he touched the QB!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory.

Around my neck of the woods, we call that "being Vince Dooley"

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

I had to laugh at that one. At least Del Rio can figure out the dollar menu as oppose to Wade Phillips who looked like a guy that could not for the life of him figure out why there were big guys in colorful shirts and pants rolling around on the lawn.

[kingfc22]

Tolzien with the madden juke for the TD. LOL.

[Jas_lov]

Tolzien! This will be the only game the Packers have a chance to win without Rodgers, only because Minnesota is one of the few teams in the league that have a worse QB situation. GB needs to win today, have Rodgers return for Thanksgiving and win that game. That Lions-GB game basically decides the tiebreaker for the division title.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bears defense - still terrible.

[JPhillips]

Crotch fumble?

[Coffee Warlord]

Both Long brothers actually deserve to get tossed. Howie must be proud.

Kyle Long tries to kick some dude on the ground.
Chris Long rushes the field during the "fighting".

[Thomkal]

Snowing in Cleveland...ah its football season at last

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Both Long brothers actually deserve to get tossed. Howie must be proud.

Kyle Long tries to kick some dude on the ground.
Chris Long rushes the field during the "fighting".

Howie and his wife are both at the game, they interviewed them on Fox earlier, so now they got to see it in person. Hope they show their mother chewing them out for fighting

[miami_fan]

I still have no idea what a illegal hit. Player safety my ass

[claphamsa]

Keuchly just took someones head off.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Tolzien! This will be the only game the Packers have a chance to win without Rodgers, only because Minnesota is one of the few teams in the league that have a worse QB situation. GB needs to win today, have Rodgers return for Thanksgiving and win that game. That Lions-GB game basically decides the tiebreaker for the division title.

GB is just awful to watch right now. 2-3 CBs out, 2 LBs out, Rodgers, Finley, 2 OL, Cobb and now Franklin got hurt on the kickoff. Their offense Lacy and Nelson making a great play on a marginal Tolzien pass. On D, these 3-4th string DBs can't catch and have already dropped two gift INTs. Just a shame to watch a team that had so much promise slip into irrelevancy because of an insurmountable number of key injuries.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I still have no idea what a illegal hit. Player safety my ass

No doubt. Threw a flag then picked it up. What a bullshit non-call.

[Radii]

Kuechly is officially immune to penalties in the end zone.

Carolina's offense though... holy shit this is bad today.

[BillJasper]

Carolina did a nice job getting a FG before the half.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The game will be tied 24-24 with five minutes left in the fourth quarter. The camera will pan to an animated Belichick, who will be taking a cornerback aside and pointing to something and showing him how to diagnose a double move. Then the camera will pan to Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

Then DaddyTorgo will say "oh, yeah. I forgot. We have the greatest coach of the last 25 years and they have the guy fired from the Jaguars." Then he will throw in a "Good Times!" because I suspect that he reads a lot of Bill Simmons

Hey if that's the case I'll be giddy. And yes, I'll probably say something like that if we do end up winning (depending obviously on how the game plays out of course).

And I don't read a lot of Simmons - he was fun when he a local or still wasn't overexposed, but now that he's a West Coaster and is overexposed he's annoying.

[Thomkal]

Matt Flynn in for Tolzien in Green Bay...and thus the circle is complete

[Radii]

Solid drive for Carolina, huge 4th and 1 call from their own 41 and 4 nice runs from Cam on the drive (two designed/two scrambles). Hopefully that is a sign of things to come for the rest of the half.

[Galaril]

Wow the Chargers are getting royally jobbed by the refs in KC.m play FOOTBALL already!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Wow the Chargers are getting royally jobbed by the refs in KC.m play FOOTBALL already!

Please. The calls they've been making are all good calls. Haven't seen anything that wasn't a clear call.

However, it was hilarious to see Philip Rivers get into it with Andy Reid. Reid tried to ignore him and then turned around to give him a piece of his mind after he wouldn't shut up.

[BillJasper]

Lamar Miller needs to quit running fucking backwards.

[weegeebored]

Trestman is still a fucking idiot. You're down 10 with a bad defense and you go for it? Go back to the CFL.

[EagleFan]

WTF Detroit!?!?!?

My suicide pool run is in serious danger.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Nice - have fun Jeff!!!

I've got to say that I'm havin g a hard time seeing how the Pats can pull out a win tonight, so I'm going to go into it with real low expectations. But that's probably also a strategy to keep myself from getting too upset.

Edit to clarify: I think offensively they would be able to keep it close (although to be fair they're not firing on all cylinders as impressively as Denver), but I just think defensively with all the injuries they won't be able to stop Denver enough to give the offense the chance to keep it close.

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory. And you know what - I hope that's the way it plays out and I'd gladly take all the ribbing it if it does. If that's what it takes!

The weather

[EagleFan]

Did I seriously just here the phrase "bring Matt Flynn back to Green Bay and the magic is back"...?

[Jas_lov]

Matt Flynn should have started the game. Might be too little too late. Defense will have to stop AP, which they can't do.

[ColtCrazy]

Yes you did. Apparently tape of his other stops has been completely destroyed. Matt Flynn: evil genius.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by weegeebored

Trestman is still a fucking idiot. You're down 10 with a bad defense and you go for it? Go back to the CFL.

Sadly, it sounds as if Lovie has programmed you on how football should be played.

This is also why most coaches dont "go for it". Fans wanting to second guess everything they do and not realizing the risk associated with "going for it".

[EagleFan]

Those da*n New England Saints, their defense can't even score a touchdown...

(sorry, just amusing myself at the NFL Red Zone announcer's misstatement)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Crazy stuff in Arrowhead with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali both out of the game. Neither defensive line is doing anything in the 2nd half.

[hoopsguy]

The refereeing in Bears/Rams game has been somewhere south of god awful.

[bulletsponge]

mon Ponder, all the other bad teams are winning, dont start to play good now

[jbergey22]

Finalize the collapse Vikings. Do what you do best.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The refereeing in Bears/Rams game has been somewhere south of god awful.

The game needs more holding calls.

The ref doing this game is, in my opinion, the worst in the league.