NFL Week 13 Thread

[BishopMVP]

Haven't had a chance to read this article yet, but it seems relevant. Is the NFL experiencing an injury epidemic? - ESPN

[cuervo72]

The NFL could greatly benefit from a revival of NFL Europe, which allowed players such as Kurt Warner to hone their skills in a developmental atmosphere.

Hey hey! Timely discussion!

[BillJasper]

I think the rise in poor play has more to do with less practice time that was negotiated in the last CBA.

[Desnudo]

The article dismisses field turf as a possible culprit without sourcing. Probably because the NFL's own study has shown that catastrophic knee injuries that put you on IR, like an ACL tear, do actually increase on turf. It doesn't really explain the rise this year, but it would be interesting to look into as a contributing factor.

http://www.drdavidgeier.com/ask-dr-g...-or-fieldturf/

I have confirmation bias since I used to play rec soccer on latest gen field turf all the time and the difference in how your body felt after playing on that vs. natural was huge.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I think the rise in poor play has more to do with less practice time that was negotiated in the last CBA.

Why do you feel there is a rise in poor play?

More missed tackles? More penalties? I guess I havent noticed anything that seems unusual but I guess that doesnt mean much as I tend to miss quite a few things

[Arles]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I think the rise in poor play has more to do with less practice time that was negotiated in the last CBA.

I think this is the reason for both some of the poor play and the slew of injuries. Teams used to ease their teams into contact over the summer and the first few weeks of camp. Now, you get less time over the summer and less in camp so you have to jump right into contact, then rest your starters for most of the game. I know McCarthy wants the league to change the offseason restrictions for QBs as he had to cancel his "QB camp" a few years back and that's negatively impacted the backup situation in GB.

[albionmoonlight]

BUCK: "The Lions at -7 have the worst turnover ratio of any team with a winning record."

AIKMAN: "That's because on offense, they have been turning the ball over. Then, on the other side, on defense, they have not been generating turnovers."

I'm glad Fox pays Aikman for his insight. Not sure what we'd do without him.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

BUCK: "The Lions at -7 have the worst turnover ratio of any team with a winning record."

AIKMAN: "That's because on offense, they have been turning the ball over. Then, on the other side, on defense, they have not been generating turnovers."

I'm glad Fox pays Aikman for his insight. Not sure what we'd do without him.

meh

It's Thanksgiving and likely a lot of people who usually don't watch football are watching. I don't see a problem with him dumbing some stuff down.

[SirFozzie]

sheesh. Detroit should be up 20.

[Dutch]

Turkey is done, the eating is over, I sit down to watch some football and am greeting with, "Personal Foul, Late Hit...Personal Foul....Personal Foul....hit to the head....that was a vicious hit by so-and-so...the helmet to helmet was after the hit to the chest....good clean hit....blah, blah, blah...."

What the fuck happened to football this year? This is so distracting to me.

[Grover]

26-10, it should be 45-0.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Is this Detroit versus Green Bay or Alabama versus Southwest Louisiana State?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

meh

It's Thanksgiving and likely a lot of people who usually don't watch football are watching. I don't see a problem with him dumbing some stuff down.

Eh, it's not limited to Thanksgiving with Aikman.

(Same thing goes for Marino and the CBS pregame.)

[cuervo72]

Anyone know what the story is with the yard line remnants on the Cowboys' field? Looks like the whole field was shifted by 2.5 yards at some point.

[Lathum]

Bet the over 9.5 for the first quarter. Talk about a miracle cover.

[kingfc22]

Why are the Raiders throwing a jump ball to the shortest player on the field?

[Danny]

So if Rodgers comes back and leads the Pack to the playoffs, is he potentially the mvp?

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Danny

So if Rodgers comes back and leads the Pack to the playoffs, is he potentially the mvp?

I think the last few weeks have shown he IS the MVP.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by rowech

I think the last few weeks have shown he IS the MVP.

I remember that season where he sat that final meaningless game of the season and some people said he didnt deserve the MVP because he must have been a product of the system because Flynn could play 1 game and throw 6 Tds. Might have been right here in these forums. It was entertaining.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

The article dismisses field turf as a possible culprit without sourcing. Probably because the NFL's own study has shown that catastrophic knee injuries that put you on IR, like an ACL tear, do actually increase on turf. It doesn't really explain the rise this year, but it would be interesting to look into as a contributing factor.

http://www.drdavidgeier.com/ask-dr-g...-or-fieldturf/

I have confirmation bias since I used to play rec soccer on latest gen field turf all the time and the difference in how your body felt after playing on that vs. natural was huge.

One of my students this semester is doing their final research paper on natural vs. turf related to college sports and possibly the NFL if they can't find enough for college sports. I'm curious to see how it turns out.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Is it just me, or was following the letter of the law on the Le'veon Bell play at the end of Pitt/Bal really stupid? Here's a guy who took a severe injury, made a great play through it, and his reward is to lose the TD he got because his gear flew off?

I'm normally all for following the rules as written (otherwise re-write the damned rules), but this seemed just silly.

[bhlloy]

Just gives the defense another reason to go helmet to helmet or try to rip the helmet off the ball carrier. Think that rule will get rewritten in the offseason to allow forward progress in that situation, but yes would really have sucked if that had cost the Steelers the game.

Thought we might have seen someone die on the field, was a really scary situation. Especially when miller was trying to shoo the camera away.

[gstelmack]

Related to that, I'd like to see them come up with some way to blow the ball dead instead of awarding a fumble when a RB takes a helmet-to-helmet and is clearly knocked out cold. Something like if the guy takes a hit to the head and ball comes out with no contact to the ball or arm, play is blown dead and no turnover. Something like this seems to happen nearly every week.

[miked]

Isn't it legal to head hunt a RB? I thought I was reading that somewhere. Either way, glad the Steelers at least scored so that stupid rule didn't decide the game. Obviously it was designed to protect a guy whose helmet came off and there are 3 defenders running at him, not the guy who is in the processed of getting tackled and nothing can be done to stop anything.

[MikeVic]

I don't know if it's because I'm a Steelers fan or just getting fed up with concussion injuries and hate seeing motionless bodies lie on the field/ice/turf/etc.. but I found it disgusting when they kept showing the replay of Bell and his helmet flying off, crashing to the ground, and Michaels/Colinsworth were just discussing the play over and over again. Go to commercial break or something. I think the players were even still on the field on one knee in prayer a that point.

And I agree that the rule should be rewritten to include some wording on forward progress or something.

[Bobble]

It will have to be something more complicated than "forward progress". The rule arose from the play where Jason Whitten lost his helmet and still ran, like, 15 yards. What's forward progress there? That's where it gets sticky. You don't want a rule that's too complicated.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Just gives the defense another reason to go helmet to helmet or try to rip the helmet off the ball carrier.

Saw this happen a LOT at the high school level this season. One opponent in particular was quite adept at finding ways to get a helmet off in the pile (happened at least 5 times to our top LB ... always with a 3rd or 4th and short coming up)

(HS rule says if the helmet comes off then you must leave the game for the next play)

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by miked

Isn't it legal to head hunt a RB? I thought I was reading that somewhere. Either way, glad the Steelers at least scored so that stupid rule didn't decide the game. Obviously it was designed to protect a guy whose helmet came off and there are 3 defenders running at him, not the guy who is in the processed of getting tackled and nothing can be done to stop anything.

Yes - it happened to the Patriots a couple of times recently - both resulting in fumbles because the runner got KO'd. Lspelling Blount last week against the Broncos and Ridley in the playoffs last year. I forget the rule exactly but helmet to helmet is legal in certain situations.

I think it's if the running back is deemed to be leading with his head.

[BillJasper]

Trent Richardson benched.

Colts bench Trent Richardson | ProFootballTalk

[Desnudo]

Kubiak should be fired for punting on 4th and 3 inside the 40 when his team is 2-9

[Desnudo]

Amazing hold on the texans TD. Of course dierdorf doesn't even mention it.

[Dutch]

Effin Cam Newton. Killed the Bucs on the opening drive.

[Desnudo]

Big play check. Arrington check.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Trent Richardson benched.

Colts bench Trent Richardson | ProFootballTalk

Any other big name busts out there that the Colts can send draft picks away for?

[Atocep]

I think the Trent Richardson trade thread showed how many people actually bothered watching a Browns game the past 2 seasons. He had a lot of defenders a few weeks ago.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I think the Trent Richardson trade thread showed how many people actually bothered watching a Browns game the past 2 seasons. He had a lot of defenders a few weeks ago.

I can understand the Colts wanting to improve the position but I'll never understand them giving up a first-round pick for a running back outside of maybe Adrian Petersen.

[jbergey22]

Big letdown spot for the Pats and appears to be showing.

As far as Richardson, on profootballfocus last year he was rated highly on their elusive rating ranking. Perhaps his problem is he works so hard in dodging tackles that hes not actually making any forward progress. I guess I cant understand why he would be this bad right now. I figured the Colts were a great situation for him.

[Desnudo]

Yes you could see this coming after the last few weeks.

[Desnudo]

The camera work and replays inpats texans has been horrible

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I think the Trent Richardson trade thread showed how many people actually bothered watching a Browns game the past 2 seasons. He had a lot of defenders a few weeks ago.

Not this guy.

Browns Fan Vastly Improves Old Trent Richardson Jersey

[mckerney]

Matt Cassel starts the second half and nearly triples the Vikings total passing yards on 2 throws.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I can understand the Colts wanting to improve the position but I'll never understand them giving up a first-round pick for a running back outside of maybe Adrian Petersen.

Jamaal Charles says hi.

[whomario]

Nick Foles still hasn´t thrown an Interception, now at 19-0 ratio.

[Coffee Warlord]

Alshon Jeffrey with an incredible catch.

[Thomkal]

Very disappointed with my beloved Cards so far today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by whomario

Nick Foles still hasn´t thrown an Interception, now at 19-0 ratio.

I'm strongly considering keeping him over Aaron Rodgers in my keeper league.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Very disappointed with my beloved Cards so far today.

Even more disappointed about Palmer throws another INT

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm strongly considering keeping him over Aaron Rodgers in my keeper league.

At the same cost to keep? Dont be that guy Foles has holes that will be exploited, give it time.

At best you would be hoping Foles can be like Rodgers.

Now if they cost differential to keep Rodgers over Foles is a lot it would be worth considerig.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

At the same cost to keep? Dont be that guy Foles has holes that will be exploited, give it time.

At best you would be hoping Foles can be like Rodgers.

Now if they cost differential to keep Rodgers over Foles is a lot it would be worth considerig.

At then same cost except I could probably trade Rodgers for a nice haul b

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm strongly considering keeping him over Aaron Rodgers in my keeper league.

Given the new report this morning that Rodgers may be out for the rest of the season, that seems like an easy decision.