Version 5.0b

Solecismic · 12-02-2003, 01:10 PM

I just uploaded the version 5.0b patch. SkyDog has been kind enough to host the download in order to take the pressure off of ViaTech (which doesn't seem to have the server space to handle the initial crush).

You can find the download here: FOF 2004 Version 5.0b

The following issues have been fixed for 5.0b...

50. Teams should not take a knee in the closing seconds of the first half on fourth down.

51. When in an end-game situation, teams should go for the field goal when out of time outs in the closing seconds when appropriate (corrects bad fix for 36 above).

52. Fix crash on view play in unusual situations where less than 46 players are active.

53. Slightly lower chance teams may choose to run a 34 defense.

54. Change ratings in initial game file to slightly lower overall ratings, evening out positions and reflecting some breakout 2003 performances..

55. Display Kick return averages correctly on career statistics screen.

56. Only erase end of week emails at the end of the week.

57. In rare circumstance where there was a fumble on a running play at a specific time, the drive chart now correctly displays the following drive.

58. When signing human-owned free agents in single-player during free agency period, game now correctly displays seventh year of contract, if offered.

59. Raised a Denver player's age from 16 to 26.

60. Fixed a couple of problems with fourth-down penalties and touchdown penalties incorrectly accepted or declined.

61. Don't allow quarterbacks to come back to the game if ejected for bad sportsmanship.

62. Correctly display names of players in play-calling view screen after season one.

63. Don't allow view of draft order during first season, where it's irrelevant.

64. Correctly generate kick holding ratings for players imported from college game.

65. Allow teams to milk the clock a little more when in the lead late in the game.

66. Shorten individual maximum field goals attempted and slightly lower long field goal success rate while increasing short field goal success rate.

67. When viewing schedules through power ratings screen, right-clicking to access top performances no longer crashes.

68. When selecting Any Receiver in a formation, default to receivers who don't appear in the backfield depth chart.

69. Some penalties on kick plays should not end a half, even if time has expired.

Just download the new executable and run it. It should automatically install. Old careers will not be affected, though customizations of graphics files (helmets, backgrounds) will be overwritten.

This will patch either 5.0 or 5.0a.

Also, I've updated TCY. It's still version 1.2a. I just fixed the problem with the scouting function on the depth charts. I had put too much emphasis on youngsters. Just follow the instructions at Solecismic.com to update TCY.

That update won't affect 1.2 or 1.2a careers, and the only affect on earlier careers is with the conference scheduling.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:11 PM

Referenced, sticky, etc.

Ksyrup · 12-02-2003, 01:13 PM

Thanks, Jim. I guess a "long vacation" for you is the 4-day Thanksgiving weekend.

Solecismic · 12-02-2003, 01:15 PM

I delayed it. It starts now. I think.

corbes · 12-02-2003, 01:15 PM

I liked Josh Poe (the 16 yo Denver player, I think). He was my little Freddy Adu at LG...

amdaily · 12-02-2003, 01:16 PM

How unexpected

. Good idea releasing it in the middle of the day too, I'm downloading at 318 kb/sec.

Franklinnoble · 12-02-2003, 01:19 PM

Nice... I just bought the game this morning, and was having trouble downloading anyway... all I need is the patched version from good ol' SkyDog's server to get started, right?

Also:

Quote:

54. Change ratings in initial game file to slightly lower overall ratings, evening out positions and reflecting some breakout 2003 performances..

Does this mean that Tim Hasselbeck is going to look like the QB of the future if I play as the Redskins?

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amdaily
How unexpected . Good idea releasing it in the middle of the day too, I'm downloading at 318 kb/sec.

At the release of FOF2004, I learned that I have an insane amount of bandwidth. I had no clue. I'm only paying $9.99 per month with unlimited transfer, 500MB of space, and (obviously) some amazing transfer speeds. So, while I appreciate Jim's nod, it really isn't "kind" of me to make the space available. It is a 100% no-brainer and no inconvenience whatsoever to me.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Nice... I just bought the game this morning, and was having trouble downloading anyway... all I need is the patched version from good ol' SkyDog's server to get started, right?

Yeah, it is the complete version of the game. You'll just need to enter Order ID #, I think..

DolphinFan1 · 12-02-2003, 01:23 PM

Question, why is this patch a full download? It says 29 mb. Do we have to download the entire thing again? It took 2 hours the last time.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
Question, why is this patch a full download? It says 29 mb. Do we have to download the entire thing again? It took 2 hours the last time.

It shouldn't this time (unless you're on dialup). So far, this server has proven to be much, much faster.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:25 PM

Dola--I'm still getting around 144KB/sec, which is as fast as my DSL has ever gone. I really have no idea what the upper limit is...

DolphinFan1 · 12-02-2003, 01:27 PM

Skydog, I am on dial up. My question wasn't very clear, Sorry.

How come you have to download the whole 29 MB again? I thought It was just a patch.

fantastic flying froggies · 12-02-2003, 01:28 PM

D/Ling right now. Very slow from DSL 13 kb/s (!!!) but server problems on my end...

Passacaglia · 12-02-2003, 01:30 PM

Rock on. Glad to hear it won't affect careers, since we *just* started the eNFL.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantastic flying froggies
D/Ling right now. Very slow from DSL 13 kb/s (!!!) but server problems on my end...

Must be. Just ran another download....146KB/sec that time

Franklinnoble · 12-02-2003, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
At the release of FOF2004, I learned that I have an insane amount of bandwidth. I had no clue. I'm only paying $9.99 per month with unlimited transfer, 500MB of space, and (obviously) some amazing transfer speeds. So, while I appreciate Jim's nod, it really isn't "kind" of me to make the space available. It is a 100% no-brainer and no inconvenience whatsoever to me.

That's an awesome deal... who's your web-hosting provider? I might be looking for a new place here soon...

wheels · 12-02-2003, 01:32 PM

jim,

your dedication is admirable. now go take some time off.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
Skydog, I am on dial up. My question wasn't very clear, Sorry.

How come you have to download the whole 29 MB again? I thought It was just a patch.

You'll have to ask Jim that. I certainly don't know the ins and outs of this sort of thing. One reason, though, would have to be that there are changes to the player file, and not just the exe.

DolphinFan1 · 12-02-2003, 01:34 PM

Thanks Skydog. Guess I'll have to download it tonight after work.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
That's an awesome deal... who's your web-hosting provider? I might be looking for a new place here soon...

Well, it is an old plan, and the last time I checked, they weren't offering it any more. The hosting company info is at www.aplus.net

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wheels
jim,

your dedication is admirable. now go take some time off.

Seriously. Looking at the fix list, my first thought was, "Wow, that's some pretty picayune stuff considering the release was less than three weeks ago."

Darkiller · 12-02-2003, 01:38 PM

Thank you so much Jim for the support to the games, as always.

fantastic flying froggies · 12-02-2003, 01:39 PM

It even includes one bug fix I reported which was pretty minor and whose report I thought had gone unnoticed !

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Just checked. Here's their $9.99 a month plan now:

200 MB storage
Unlimited transfer
50 e-mail boxes
Free domain name

They've bumped up the e-mail boxes, (My plan has just 5, but I am only using 2 of them.) and lowered the storage space considerably. The unlimited transwer is very nice though, especially at these speeds. (I just DL'ed again at 150 KB/s. I'm guessing we're not gonna have any slowdown issues at all with the downloading the patch.)

sachmo71 · 12-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DolphinFan1
Skydog, I am on dial up. My question wasn't very clear, Sorry.

How come you have to download the whole 29 MB again? I thought It was just a patch.

It all depends on where the code was changed. If it was the main exe, then you'll have to download the majority of the game again. *shrug*

amdaily · 12-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Does this mean HR's roster utility is going to need updated as well? If I recall correctly it was based on the real player file and not the default player file.

Solecismic · 12-02-2003, 01:40 PM

51 convinced me. I was getting a lot of email about that.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amdaily
Does this mean HR's roster utility is going to need updated as well? If I recall correctly it was based on the real player file and not the default player file.

It was based on the talent percentages given in the help files, I'm faily certain, and NOT on the real or default player files.

amdaily · 12-02-2003, 01:42 PM

Skydog,

I wouldn't just toss around that unlimited bandwidth to carelessly, there are more than a few complaints about Aplus over at WebHostingTalk, this being just one - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=34509&highlight=aplus+unlimited.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amdaily
Skydog,

I wouldn't just toss around that unlimited bandwidth to carelessly, there are more than a few complaints about Aplus over at WebHostingTalk, this being just one - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...lus+unlimited.

Interesting. We'll see what happens. With the mirror up during half of November, I had 13GB of traffic, which is by FAR the most traffic ever. (Before that, it was a little over 2GB in any month.)

To be honest, at the time I purchased the hosting package, I didn't even know what "unlimited transfer" meant.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 01:51 PM

Dola--

Thanks for the heads-up.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-02-2003, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Solecismic

Just download the new executable and run it. It should automatically install. Old careers will not be affected, though customizations of graphics files (helmets, backgrounds) will be overwritten.

This will patch either 5.0 or 5.0a.

A question from the tired and hungry who just want a simple answer.

Which does "old careers will not be affected" mean:

A. That old careers wont be erased/altered, but the fixes and enhancements found in the new patch will exist in the old career.

or

B. That old careers wont be erased/altered, but the only way to take advantage of the fixes and enhancements found in the new patch is to start a new career?

or

C. A mix of the two.

Franklinnoble · 12-02-2003, 02:10 PM

Hmm... from reading over there, it sounds like "Unlimited Transfer" is just a big fat lie used to sell hosting accounts.

I doubt they'll ding you for using a ton of bandwidth over the course of a month or so - but if you were to continually generate that sort of traffic, I'm sure you'd get a nastygram in your e-mail box.

Buzzbee · 12-02-2003, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Seriously. Looking at the fix list, my first thought was, "Wow, that's some pretty picayune stuff considering the release was less than three weeks ago."

Ok, I'm not sure if we should give SkyDog a gold star or a slap on the wrist for using the word "picayune" in a sentence.

The only time I've heard that in my LIFE was when I was living in New Orleans. The name of the newspaper is the Times-Picayune. Until today I had NO idea what picayune meant. Had to look it up.

And SkyDog was a MATH major?? And he plays guitar too!! What a renaissance man!

Franklinnoble · 12-02-2003, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee

And SkyDog was a MATH major?? And he plays guitar too!! What a renaissance man!

And he looks good in a bikini.

Ben E Lou · 12-02-2003, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Ok, I'm not sure if we should give SkyDog a gold star or a slap on the wrist for using the word "picayune" in a sentence.

I had to know over 2,000 vocab words for my 10th grade English comprehensive final exam. A pretty good number of them still stick with me today.

sabotai · 12-02-2003, 02:32 PM

Honolulu_Blue, it seems like you can just run the old careers with the fixes. Escept for the one player's age being changed, there doesn't appear to be anything on that list that would require you to start over to have all of the fixes. They all seem liek display and AI tweaks and fixes to me.

But then again, I have no idea.

And on the issue of having to redownload the whole thing, I wonder if it has something to do with ViaTech and their elicensing...not that I care. Cable pwns j00! I started downloading it when I began writing this message...it's done now.

McSweeny · 12-02-2003, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Until today I had NO idea what picayune meant. Had to look it up.

yep, same here

nfgrawker22 · 12-02-2003, 03:11 PM

Having probs installing....dowloaded and hit yes for reinstall and then it gets to 20 percent installing and has a error and says it is moving or sumthing

bryce · 12-02-2003, 03:24 PM

i'm in the same boat as honolulu_blue with regards the tcy 1.2a patch - will the fix take place in my current tcy career, or will i have to start a new career to get the new feature?

Buzzbee · 12-02-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nfgrawker22
Having probs installing....dowloaded and hit yes for reinstall and then it gets to 20 percent installing and has a error and says it is moving or sumthing

Make sure you don't have FOF2k4 open or something. It might be trying to overwrite a file and by having the game open it won't be able to.

Sorry if I insulted your intelligence. Just trying to help.

nfgrawker22 · 12-02-2003, 03:31 PM

OMG...lol im a newb...didnt insult my intellegence...that was it because I was playing it I wasnt thinkin....

FloridaFringe · 12-02-2003, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Seriously. Looking at the fix list, my first thought was, "Wow, that's some pretty picayune stuff considering the release was less than three weeks ago."

I couldn't agree more. I was actually impressed on how much has been addressed let alone in such a short period of time. It goes a long way towards making a strong statement in regards to Jim's customer service. He has apparently been listening well and working hard.

Every issue that has given me pause in purchasing this version has been resolved. Thanks Jim.

daedalus · 12-02-2003, 04:50 PM

Jim,

Thank you for delaying your vacation for us. Please do take your well-deserved vacation and enjoy it. Please thank the family for us for being so understanding.

It's a selfish request really. We need you sane and ready so we can have our future Solecismic fixes.

Ben,

It may not be a big deal to you but to those of us who don't have to fight the traffic at ViaTech, it's great. Thanks.

PS - Curse you for making me look up "picayune".

Buzzbee · 12-02-2003, 05:07 PM

To save the rest of you the trouble (from dictionary.com)

pic·a·yune adj.

Of little value or importance; paltry. See Synonyms: trivial.
Petty; mean.

n.
A Spanish-American half-real piece formerly used in parts of the southern United States.
A five-cent piece.
Something of very little value; a trifle: not worth a picayune.

Icy · 12-02-2003, 05:12 PM

Jim please, upload the new rattings file .csv to your website, here is still the pre-patch one: http://www.solecismic.com/support/csv.html

I want to paste on the new one the real players names.

FrogMan · 12-02-2003, 05:16 PM

wanna say thanks to both Jim and Ben here.

Jim, those are some nifty little tweaks.
Ben, the download was a breeze.

FM

FrogMan · 12-02-2003, 05:18 PM

dola,

And oh, picayune, now that I've looked it up, may well become one of my new favorite word of the english language, replacing "flabbergasted" in my book

FM

dacman · 12-02-2003, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Icy
Jim please, upload the new rattings file .csv to your website, here is still the pre-patch one: http://www.solecismic.com/support/csv.html

I want to paste on the new one the real players names.

Quote:

59. Raised a Denver player's age from 16 to 26.

I just checked it again and the player in questions birthdate is 1977 in the .csv so Jim must've already updated it. Don't know if that includes the ratings tweaks or not.

12-02-2003, 01:11 PM	#2
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Referenced, sticky, etc. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-02-2003, 01:13 PM	#3
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Thanks, Jim. I guess a "long vacation" for you is the 4-day Thanksgiving weekend. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-02-2003, 01:23 PM	#10
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	Question, why is this patch a full download? It says 29 mb. Do we have to download the entire thing again? It took 2 hours the last time. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

12-02-2003, 01:25 PM	#12
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola--I'm still getting around 144KB/sec, which is as fast as my DSL has ever gone. I really have no idea what the upper limit is... __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-02-2003, 01:27 PM	#13
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	Skydog, I am on dial up. My question wasn't very clear, Sorry. How come you have to download the whole 29 MB again? I thought It was just a patch. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

12-02-2003, 01:15 PM	#4
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I delayed it. It starts now. I think.

12-02-2003, 01:15 PM	#5
corbes College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	I liked Josh Poe (the 16 yo Denver player, I think). He was my little Freddy Adu at LG...

12-02-2003, 01:16 PM	#6
amdaily College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003	How unexpected . Good idea releasing it in the middle of the day too, I'm downloading at 318 kb/sec.

12-02-2003, 01:28 PM	#14
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	D/Ling right now. Very slow from DSL 13 kb/s (!!!) but server problems on my end... __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

12-02-2003, 01:30 PM	#15
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Rock on. Glad to hear it won't affect careers, since we just started the eNFL.

12-02-2003, 01:32 PM	#18
wheels Creative Director, Grey Dog Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Madison, WI	jim, your dedication is admirable. now go take some time off.

12-02-2003, 01:34 PM	#20
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	Thanks Skydog. Guess I'll have to download it tonight after work. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

12-02-2003, 01:38 PM	#23
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	Thank you so much Jim for the support to the games, as always. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

12-02-2003, 01:39 PM	#24
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	It even includes one bug fix I reported which was pretty minor and whose report I thought had gone unnoticed ! __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

12-02-2003, 01:40 PM	#25
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Just checked. Here's their $9.99 a month plan now: 200 MB storage Unlimited transfer 50 e-mail boxes Free domain name They've bumped up the e-mail boxes, (My plan has just 5, but I am only using 2 of them.) and lowered the storage space considerably. The unlimited transwer is very nice though, especially at these speeds. (I just DL'ed again at 150 KB/s. I'm guessing we're not gonna have any slowdown issues at all with the downloading the patch.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-02-2003, 01:42 PM	#30
amdaily College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003	Skydog, I wouldn't just toss around that unlimited bandwidth to carelessly, there are more than a few complaints about Aplus over at WebHostingTalk, this being just one - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=34509&highlight=aplus+unlimited.

12-02-2003, 01:51 PM	#32
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola-- Thanks for the heads-up. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-02-2003, 02:10 PM	#34
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Hmm... from reading over there, it sounds like "Unlimited Transfer" is just a big fat lie used to sell hosting accounts. I doubt they'll ding you for using a ton of bandwidth over the course of a month or so - but if you were to continually generate that sort of traffic, I'm sure you'd get a nastygram in your e-mail box.

12-02-2003, 02:32 PM	#38
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Honolulu_Blue, it seems like you can just run the old careers with the fixes. Escept for the one player's age being changed, there doesn't appear to be anything on that list that would require you to start over to have all of the fixes. They all seem liek display and AI tweaks and fixes to me. But then again, I have no idea. And on the issue of having to redownload the whole thing, I wonder if it has something to do with ViaTech and their elicensing...not that I care. Cable pwns j00! I started downloading it when I began writing this message...it's done now.

12-02-2003, 03:11 PM	#40
nfgrawker22 n00b Join Date: Dec 2002	Having probs installing....dowloaded and hit yes for reinstall and then it gets to 20 percent installing and has a error and says it is moving or sumthing __________________ Tampa bay buccaneers of the DHMFL

12-02-2003, 03:24 PM	#41
bryce High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dallas, TX	i'm in the same boat as honolulu_blue with regards the tcy 1.2a patch - will the fix take place in my current tcy career, or will i have to start a new career to get the new feature?

12-02-2003, 03:31 PM	#43
nfgrawker22 n00b Join Date: Dec 2002	OMG...lol im a newb...didnt insult my intellegence...that was it because I was playing it I wasnt thinkin.... __________________ Tampa bay buccaneers of the DHMFL

12-02-2003, 04:50 PM	#45
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Jim, Thank you for delaying your vacation for us. Please do take your well-deserved vacation and enjoy it. Please thank the family for us for being so understanding. It's a selfish request really. We need you sane and ready so we can have our future Solecismic fixes. Ben, It may not be a big deal to you but to those of us who don't have to fight the traffic at ViaTech, it's great. Thanks. PS - Curse you for making me look up "picayune".

12-02-2003, 05:07 PM	#46
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	To save the rest of you the trouble (from dictionary.com) pic·a·yune adj. Of little value or importance; paltry. See Synonyms: trivial. Petty; mean. n. A Spanish-American half-real piece formerly used in parts of the southern United States. A five-cent piece. Something of very little value; a trifle: not worth a picayune. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

12-02-2003, 05:12 PM	#47
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Jim please, upload the new rattings file .csv to your website, here is still the pre-patch one: http://www.solecismic.com/support/csv.html I want to paste on the new one the real players names. __________________

12-02-2003, 05:16 PM	#48
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	wanna say thanks to both Jim and Ben here. Jim, those are some nifty little tweaks. Ben, the download was a breeze. FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-02-2003, 05:18 PM	#49
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	dola, And oh, picayune, now that I've looked it up, may well become one of my new favorite word of the english language, replacing "flabbergasted" in my book FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

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