Wanted: Outstanding stats performances.

[Ben E Lou]

For future Extender balancing, I'd like to get some top-tier single-season FOF stats to find out what the maximum numbers each position might generate. I think we're very close now, but I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something obvious. Post stats of guys you think might surpass the ones I've found below. Please adhere to the following guidelines:

1. I want results only from MP or from AI teams in SP. In other words, let's not get into ridiculously inflated SP human-run team stats.
2. Whather MP or SP, the season must have been started using patch 6.0e or later. (6.0e was released in early May of 2007, so let's say no seasons that started prior to May 1, 2007.)
3. Please post ALL of the requested values.

PASSING

VALUES NEEDED: att, cmp, yds, TD, INT, first downs, times sacked

Best so far: 367 for 520, 4817 yards, 47 TDs, 8 INT, 261 first downs, sacked 17 times. (70.58 completion percentage, 9.26ypa, 123.2 rating) {258.8}
NOTE: Dutch, I've already checked Wolf's 2015 and 2016 seasons. 2015 comes in JUST behind this guy.)

RUSHING

VALUES NEEDED: att, yd, td, first downs, fumbles

BEST SO FAR: 383 carries, 1947 yards, 20 TD, 98 first downs, 2 fumbles (5.08ypc) {224.7}

RECEIVING

VALUES NEEDED: Trgt, Catch, Yds, TD, 1stDn, Drops

BEST SO FAR: 209 targets, 129 catches, 2247 yards, 17 Tds, 104 first downs, 4 drops. (10.75ypt). {275.37}

BLOCKING: CENTER

VALUES NEEDED: KRB, KRBO, Pancake, Sacks Allowed, Pass Plays
BEST SO FAR: 43 for 116 KRB, 14 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 605 pass plays. {94.2}

BLOCKING: GUARD

VALUES NEEDED: KRB, KRBO, Pancake, Sacks Allowed, Pass Plays

BEST SO FAR: 52 for 114 (45.61%), 21 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 452 pass plays. {102.7}

BLOCKING: TACKLE

VALUES NEEDED: KRB, KRBO, Pancake, Sacks Allowed, Pass Plays

BEST SO FAR: 42 for 117 (35.9%), 17 pancakes, 0 sacks allowed, 522 pass plays. {107.5}





EDIT: This is the rough scale I posted elsewhere. I've edited in the scores above for these guys.



SKILL POSITIONS
100--Very Solid Performance, possible Pro Bowl candidate
150--Standout Performance, possible 1st Team All Pro
200--Truly Studly Performance, MVP Candidate
250--Once-In-A-Lifetime Performance. IHOF's Ted Wolf (389 for 568, 4672 yards, 56 TDs, 14 INTs, 266 first downs, 24 sacks, 60 rushes, 317 yards, 1 TD, 21 rushing first downs) gets a 245.4.

There may well be seasons in SP in which no player surpasses 150. I just had one where only two did. In looking around, I'd expect that 10-25 guys will break 100 in a given season. (IHOF and FOFL, with their inflated stats, both had 24 in the recently-completed season, and I've seen a SP season with as few as 10.)

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN
40--Very Solid Performance, possible Pro Bowl Candidate
50--Standout Performance, possible 1st Team All Pro
75--Studly Performance
100--Once-in-a-lifetime performance.

[Raiders Army]

Dang, my guard had 64 KRB and 27 Pancackes in one season. I don't set the gameplan...but he was my player.

Shaun Alexander (ATL) was close in everything except rushing TDs. I haven't seen the AI get anything above what you've listed.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Dang, my guard had 64 KRB and 27 Pancackes in one season. I don't set the gameplan...but he was my player.

Heh. If it's an AI-set gameplan, then give me the numbers for him, please. Hadn't thought of that.

Shaun Alexander (ATL) was close in everything except rushing TDs. I haven't seen the AI get anything above what you've listed.

I'd have to go back and look at the others, but I know for certain that the rushing, receiving, and at least one of the blocking (offensive tackle) maxes I have listed above came from AI teams in SP. I have a limited number of MP seasons (like maybe 11ish) to work with, given the parameters I set.

[ace1914]

In 2016(we are in 2019 now) in the PFL I believe we had moved to 6.0e by then and Carson Palmer had these stats:

447/628 for 4783 yards, 51 TD, 16 Int, 273 FDP, 26 sacks. Yea, he was pretty unstoppable that year.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by ace1914

In 2016(we are in 2019 now) in the PFL I believe we had moved to 6.0e by then and Carson Palmer had these stats:

447/628 for 4783 yards, 51 TD, 16 Int, 273 FDP, 26 sacks. Yea, he was pretty unstoppable that year.

Not to say that you shoudn't have posted these stats, but the QB in the first post pawns those stats by quite a stretch. Mainly, there is a big difference in YPA.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Heh. If it's an AI-set gameplan, then give me the numbers for him, please. Hadn't thought of that.

I'd have to go back and look at the others, but I know for certain that the rushing, receiving, and at least one of the blocking (offensive tackle) maxes I have listed above came from AI teams in SP. I have a limited number of MP seasons (like maybe 11ish) to work with, given the parameters I set.

Here it is. The year is 2013. 64 KRB, 148 KRO, 43.2%, 27 Pancakes, 1 sack allowed.

He was a creeper and because of him I look for OL with great strength. His run and pass blocking were really low (teens) when I drafted him. Now he's in the 80s.

[Ben E Lou]

That's just plain insane!

[Front Office Midget]

Not sure if these top the guys you listed, but since they're fairly close I thought I'd list them:

RB: 389 carries, 1809 yards, 20 TDs, 107 FDs, 3 fumbles
C: 52 for 106 KRB, 11 pancakes, 2 sacks allowed in 594 pass plays

[Yoda]

Adrian Peterson FFL, 2012 Season:
385 attempts 2032 yards 11 td's 107 FDU's 5 Fumble's

(he also caught 46 passes for 323 yards, 4td's)

[Celeval]

RB Reggie Pomeranz, CAR - 2012
414-2122 (5.13 avg), 23 TD, 116 First Downs, 3 Fumbles

This was the first of three straight MVP seasons, and the 4th of 6 straight 15+ TDs (he also had 22 the next year). Ended his 10-year career with just over 15,000 yards and 137 TDs.

Oh, and despite also having a record-setting QB during his tenure, he never won a ring.

[AlexB]

All SP simmed history using the historical draft files, so I don't know if that will skew the numbers for you - hope this helps:

LT - 2003
391 rushes, 1982 yards, 24 TD, 117 1stD, 6 fumbles, combined with...
90 rec, 821 yds, 8 TD, 0 drops, 45 1stD catches

Barry had more yards in 1990, but not as many TDs or anywhere near the receiving stats, plus an extra fumble
416 rushes, 2188 yards, 14 TD, 122 1stD, 7 fumbles

Jerry Rice - 1989
242 targ, 148 rec, 2456 yds, 18 TD, 5 drops, 117 1stD catches, 1 fumble

(Blocking - C) Jeff Hartings - 1997
57 for 143 KRB, 12 pancakes, 3 sacks allowed, 409 pass plays

(Blocking - G) John Ayres 1979
48 for 118 KRB, 19 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 515 pass plays

(Blocking - T) Jonathan Ogden - 1999
51 for 124 KRB, 16 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 542 pass plays

[Swaggs]

I just turned over into the year 2100 in a career that I have been playing with for a long, long time.

Here are some leaders from teams other than my own:

RUSHING

VALUES NEEDED: att, yd, td, first downs, fumbles
Tommy Peko, RB (CAR) -- 435, 2118, 14, 101, 11

RECEIVING

VALUES NEEDED: Trgt, Catch, Yds, TD, 1stDn, Drops
Earl Al-Rudaini, FL (ARI) -- 201, 122, 22212, 17, 103, 9
(note: Al-Rudaini, in different seasons, set career highs in Trgt w/ 239, Catch w/ 134, Drops w/ 14. He had four seasons of over 2000 yards)

There have also been five different guards (all LG) that have gotten over 60 KRB (w/ a high of 63). Highest for a center was 57 KRB. Highest for an OT was 57 KRB. None on my teams.

[Narcizo]

I'm pretty sure my guy doesn't quite match up to the quarterback performance listed but I'll take any chance available to bang on about how great Alan is. And there is a case to be made for him, particularly considering his pick ratio. If you're a great believer in the importance of not throwing picks. But curse Dallas' pass defence for his one bad game in 2013.



2013 - 267 first downs, and (probably the clincher for the other guy) 30 sacks. Dunno the importance of sacks as they might show that the quarterback is playing behind a crudier line and should be rewarded for doing so well under pressure.

So that would be
367 from 544, 67.5%, 4879 yards, 46TDs, 5Ints, 120.0 rating, 8.97 ypa, 267 first downs, 30 sacks

Injury probably stopped him matching the guy you've got in 2014 as he only really played 12 games.

[heardie]

I've got 2 ridiculous stat lines
WR:
228 targets, 144 catches, 2354 yards, 24 Tds, 121 first downs, 7 drops. (10.32ypt).


BLOCKING: GUARD

80 for 159 (50.3%), 29 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 493 pass plays.

Be interested to see what value that comes out in the new extender - that is probably the best season I've ever seen by any player IMO

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by ace1914

In 2016(we are in 2019 now) in the PFL I believe we had moved to 6.0e by then and Carson Palmer had these stats:

447/628 for 4783 yards, 51 TD, 16 Int, 273 FDP, 26 sacks. Yea, he was pretty unstoppable that year.

191.3

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Here it is. The year is 2013. 64 KRB, 148 KRO, 43.2%, 27 Pancakes, 1 sack allowed.

He was a creeper and because of him I look for OL with great strength. His run and pass blocking were really low (teens) when I drafted him. Now he's in the 80s.

123.9. New Guard Leader.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Front Office Midget

Not sure if these top the guys you listed, but since they're fairly close I thought I'd list them:

RB: 389 carries, 1809 yards, 20 TDs, 107 FDs, 3 fumbles
C: 52 for 106 KRB, 11 pancakes, 2 sacks allowed in 594 pass plays

RB: 175.9
C: 73.7

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Adrian Peterson FFL, 2012 Season:
385 attempts 2032 yards 11 td's 107 FDU's 5 Fumble's

(he also caught 46 passes for 323 yards, 4td's)

214.1 rushing.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Celeval

RB Reggie Pomeranz, CAR - 2012
414-2122 (5.13 avg), 23 TD, 116 First Downs, 3 Fumbles

This was the first of three straight MVP seasons, and the 4th of 6 straight 15+ TDs (he also had 22 the next year). Ended his 10-year career with just over 15,000 yards and 137 TDs.

Oh, and despite also having a record-setting QB during his tenure, he never won a ring.

250.0 New Rushing Leader.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

All SP simmed history using the historical draft files, so I don't know if that will skew the numbers for you - hope this helps:

LT - 2003
391 rushes, 1982 yards, 24 TD, 117 1stD, 6 fumbles, combined with...
90 rec, 821 yds, 8 TD, 0 drops, 45 1stD catches

Barry had more yards in 1990, but not as many TDs or anywhere near the receiving stats, plus an extra fumble
416 rushes, 2188 yards, 14 TD, 122 1stD, 7 fumbles

Jerry Rice - 1989
242 targ, 148 rec, 2456 yds, 18 TD, 5 drops, 117 1stD catches, 1 fumble

(Blocking - C) Jeff Hartings - 1997
57 for 143 KRB, 12 pancakes, 3 sacks allowed, 409 pass plays

(Blocking - G) John Ayres 1979
48 for 118 KRB, 19 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 515 pass plays

(Blocking - T) Jonathan Ogden - 1999
51 for 124 KRB, 16 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 542 pass plays

Given the tests I've run on differing talent levels, it's probably best not to factor in these guys. All indications are that any inflation of league talent levels from the game-generated norm will cause an increase in offensive production across the board. And also, I haven't tested this, but I'm guessing that in years where there are fewer total draftees than the norm, I'm the Level 9 guys will stand out more. I think the safe play here is to stick with game-generated players for these purposes.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I just turned over into the year 2100 in a career that I have been playing with for a long, long time.

Here are some leaders from teams other than my own:

RUSHING

VALUES NEEDED: att, yd, td, first downs, fumbles
Tommy Peko, RB (CAR) -- 435, 2118, 14, 101, 11

RECEIVING

VALUES NEEDED: Trgt, Catch, Yds, TD, 1stDn, Drops
Earl Al-Rudaini, FL (ARI) -- 201, 122, 22212, 17, 103, 9
(note: Al-Rudaini, in different seasons, set career highs in Trgt w/ 239, Catch w/ 134, Drops w/ 14. He had four seasons of over 2000 yards)

There have also been five different guards (all LG) that have gotten over 60 KRB (w/ a high of 63). Highest for a center was 57 KRB. Highest for an OT was 57 KRB. None on my teams.

Peko: 146.7 (kept from being considered top-tier because of all the fumbles)
Al-Rudaini: 246.7ish (I used 2212. At 2221, he's 248.4.)

For blocking, raw KRB totals are not going to be the be-all, end-all any more. KRB%, Pancakes, and sacks allowed are very important as well.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm pretty sure my guy doesn't quite match up to the quarterback performance listed but I'll take any chance available to bang on about how great Alan is. And there is a case to be made for him, particularly considering his pick ratio. If you're a great believer in the importance of not throwing picks. But curse Dallas' pass defence for his one bad game in 2013.



2013 - 267 first downs, and (probably the clincher for the other guy) 30 sacks. Dunno the importance of sacks as they might show that the quarterback is playing behind a crudier line and should be rewarded for doing so well under pressure.

So that would be
367 from 544, 67.5%, 4879 yards, 46TDs, 5Ints, 120.0 rating, 8.97 ypa, 267 first downs, 30 sacks

Injury probably stopped him matching the guy you've got in 2014 as he only really played 12 games.

250.1

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by heardie

I've got 2 ridiculous stat lines
WR:
228 targets, 144 catches, 2354 yards, 24 Tds, 121 first downs, 7 drops. (10.32ypt).


BLOCKING: GUARD

80 for 159 (50.3%), 29 pancakes, 1 sack allowed, 493 pass plays.

Be interested to see what value that comes out in the new extender - that is probably the best season I've ever seen by any player IMO

G: 133.7. New Guard Leader.
WR: 299.7

I probably need to scale back WRs just a hair. So far, though, I haven't seen anything else that raises a flag on the scaling.

[Ben E Lou]

On second thought, given that a great receiving RB can get 60ish points, the better play might be to scale QBs upward a hair, making a 300 total possible for all three. We'll see how it plays out.

[Ben E Lou]

First post updated with new leaders, and point scale thoughts.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

That's just plain insane!

FWIW, while I was running this morning I was thinking about injuries. I have mine set at 100, while I know most people set theirs on 200 for more realism. I think that would disqualify my guard even if he hadn't been beat by heardie's guard.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

FWIW, while I was running this morning I was thinking about injuries. I have mine set at 100, while I know most people set theirs on 200 for more realism. I think that would disqualify my guard even if he hadn't been beat by heardie's guard.

I don't think so, really. Most MP leagues use somewhere in the 100-150 range.

[Synovia]

It seems strange to use KRB and KRO without run plays.

[remper]

I have a candidate in my single player league for best rushing season. (I think his fumbles might be his downfall though)

Damon Wilson (ATL) 2041: 414 carries for 2253 yards, 5.44 avg, 17TD, 132 FD, 7 fumbles

He also had 60 catches for 532 yds that year and 3 receiving TDs. He blew away the previous single season records for rushing and total yards in my league by a mile.

I also have a receiver who had an outstanding year:

Joel King (BAL) 2030: 242 targets, 140 catches for 2,443 yds, 10.10 ypt, 111 FD catches, 21 TDs, 11 drops

[CU Tiger]

MP League
RUSHING
VALUES NEEDED: att, yd, td, first downs, fumbles

BEST SO FAR: 418* carries, 2167* yards, 15 TD, 111*first downs, 9 fumbles (5.18ypc)*

* - denotes better than posted best.
This was done with a 3rd year RB on a 11 win team.

[Ben E Lou]

Subby's FOFL QB just broke my scale.

Offensive Player of the Year Candidates
	QB Terrell Crittenden	Washington	392-559 (70%) 5131 yds pass (9.18 ypa), 57 TD, 7 INT, 22 sacked, 127.5 rat, 13-14 yds rush (1.08 ypc), 0 TD, 1 fumb ( 1908.41525 )

[fantastic flying froggies]

oh, but we all know Subby 's a cheater!

Oh sorry, I meant, A CHEATER!

[marcmoustache]

From what I can tell, Steve Young beat that in the GEFL this year:

QB

QB Steve Young

466-628 (74%) 5360 yds pass (8.54 ypa), 55 TD, 6 INT, 22 sacked, 124.7 rat, 33-196 yds rush (5.94 ypc), 1 TD, 3 fumb

It's missing the score I think because we're in the playoffs. But looking at the csv file this is worth 2060.8471 points of offense.

Edit: I've just seen the comment above about historical players, so maybe ignore this post then?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by marcmoustache

From what I can tell, Steve Young beat that in the GEFL this year:



It's missing the score I think because we're in the playoffs. But looking at the csv file this is worth 2060.8471 points of offense.

Edit: I've just seen the comment above about historical players, so maybe ignore this post then?

We may be using different scales, too. I'm pretty sure I've edited mine since I last posted it. But I suspect Young's total would be a bit higher. Don't worry about using historicals at this point. With the new inclusion of the "best seasons" csv, I can tweak any further balancing against 55ish seasons of data pretty easily now.

[RedKingGold]

Steve Young is awesome.

[Chubby]

how the hell do i take a screen of just a player's player card so I can upload to IHOF and post? I have a few SP guys who are close on some of the record holders...

[Tormaz]

In the HFL , WR John Jefferson is putting up sick numbers. I will post them once our season completes. With two weeks left he has around 2200 yards receiving and 25 touchdowns.

[tarcone]

In IFL, RB Ken Singleton is tearing up the league. With 3 games left:

att, yd, td, first downs, fumbles
323 1931 20 103 6

10+ yards runs
73

[beargrowlz]

2010 - Sacked 27 times, 302 FDP's
Cyber Football League



Cheers,
-Bear

[3ric]

Originally Posted by Tormaz

In the HFL , WR John Jefferson is putting up sick numbers. I will post them once our season completes. With two weeks left he has around 2200 yards receiving and 25 touchdowns.

With one game to go, he's at 126 catches for 2317 yards and 25 TDs. We should know where he ends up on Tuesday morning.

[Chubby]

From my SP career

Craig McDaniel
319/472, 5520 yds, 50 TD, 12 Int, 272 FDP, 21 sacks (67.6% Comp, 11.69 YPA, 131.8 rating)

(this is my guy, didn't see you only wanted AI guys but I'm curious at his score)

[Chubby]

From the same career but an AI guy

Bart Clawson
498 Att, 2362 yds, 22 TD, 117 FDR, 10 FUM, 4.74 Rush Avg

[Chubby]

From the same career but an AI guy

LT Dana McNeil
63 for 137 46.0%, 24 Pancakes, 13 Sacks Allowed, 538 Pass Plays

[3ric]

Originally Posted by 3ric

With one game to go, he's at 126 catches for 2317 yards and 25 TDs. We should know where he ends up on Tuesday morning.

Final stats for John Jefferson in the HFL:
239 targets, 134 catches, 2410 yards, 27 Tds, 115 first downs, 12 drops. (10.08ypt).

Individual season stats

[Koprnkc]

In BNG first season

Marc Garner FL
209 targets, 125 catches, 2438 yards, 20 Tds, 104 first downs, 5 drops.

[whomario]

Taken from a SP career i played till 2047 :

WR

FL Otis Coppola 2019

157-2771 yds catch (17.65 ypc, 966 yac, 234 tgt, 11.84 ypt), 28 TD, 8 drp, 1 fumb (1867.212)

And o yeah, i passed on him in the draft back then. He had 1 other 2000+ season at 2334 , next best 1787.
Played with a HOF QB as well and both hit their prime at the same timeframe.

[Kozure]

My rookie running back in the USFL just finished the season. Here's his stats. Let me know how he stacks up.

Levon Eskenazi
434 Carries
2170 yards
5.0 ypc
19 touchdowns
117 first down runs
6 fumbles

[Cringer]

Tulsa's RB from the Imperial League.

Ken Singleton, 395 attempts, 2258 yards, 5.72 ypc, 21 TDs, 119 first downs, 7 fumbles

[mmarra82]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm pretty sure my guy doesn't quite match up to the quarterback performance listed but I'll take any chance available to bang on about how great Alan is. And there is a case to be made for him, particularly considering his pick ratio. If you're a great believer in the importance of not throwing picks. But curse Dallas' pass defence for his one bad game in 2013.



2013 - 267 first downs, and (probably the clincher for the other guy) 30 sacks. Dunno the importance of sacks as they might show that the quarterback is playing behind a crudier line and should be rewarded for doing so well under pressure.

So that would be
367 from 544, 67.5%, 4879 yards, 46TDs, 5Ints, 120.0 rating, 8.97 ypa, 267 first downs, 30 sacks


Injury probably stopped him matching the guy you've got in 2014 as he only really played 12 games.

Has An ever gotten that elusive championship yet?

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by mmarra82

Has An ever gotten that elusive championship yet?

Burn!!