The Official 2013 NHL Regular Season Thread

[MizzouRah]

Finally, Redden is GONE!

[Suburban Rhythm]

Ryan Clowe is going to catch Crosby in the scoring race.

Tonight.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Ryan Clowe is going to catch Crosby in the scoring race.

Tonight.

Pretty nuts. Two goals and an assist for Clowe. A goal and three assists for Brassard. And now John Moore adds a goal.

Solid deadline day.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jagr scores 1:20 into his second period as a Bruin.

[bhlloy]

Sure, if he gets credit for being used as a traffic cone

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Sure, if he gets credit for being used as a traffic cone

Sure

[Wolfpack]

It's hard to know whether this slide the Canes are on is worse than the one where they pretty much destroyed their season before it started a few years back, but it continued tonight as Tampa beat them senseless, 5-0, and it was noticeable early in the third period that the team had pretty much quit. I don't think Mueller's job is on the line yet, but it's clear he's not able to rally these guys right now. He'll probably be fine because the perception is that the injuries to Cam Ward and Justin Faulk doomed the team (though no one seems to remember the Canes doing just fine for a few games after Ward's injury). Inasmuch as it's the mess he made by continuing to build a roster for the NHL of 2006 with all these puck-moving defensemen who can't play worth anything in their own end and a bunch of forwards who have no scoring touch or net presence, I'd like to think maybe Jim Rutherford's job is in some jeopardy, but he's part owner of the team, so who knows how easy it will be to remove him should it come to that?

[Suburban Rhythm]

I let my subscription run out, but still bought a copy of THN Future Watch. One of my favorites.

Not sure I'll get to any/many tonight. But hopefully have some down time at work tomorrow, or over the weekend. Leave requests for any team rundowns you're interested in.

[Wolfpack]

This is getting ridiculous at this point. You can pretty much write a multiple choice question that asks, "How will the Carolina Hurricanes lose tonight's game?"

A) Poor goaltending and/or defense
B) Poor special teams play
C) A and B
D) Played a good game, just ran into a hot goaltender
E) None of the above (wait, they won?)

Tonight's answer is (D).

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I let my subscription run out, but still bought a copy of THN Future Watch. One of my favorites.

Not sure I'll get to any/many tonight. But hopefully have some down time at work tomorrow, or over the weekend. Leave requests for any team rundowns you're interested in.

Always fun and appreciated. Rangers please.

[JPhillips]

So....

I may have been a little premature back when I suggested the Caps should amnesty Ovi.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I let my subscription run out, but still bought a copy of THN Future Watch. One of my favorites.

Not sure I'll get to any/many tonight. But hopefully have some down time at work tomorrow, or over the weekend. Leave requests for any team rundowns you're interested in.

Caps please.

And thanks.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Going to do these the same as in prior years

Overall rank (out of 30) and grade (A through F). Rank/grade also takes into account any NHL regulars 21 and under.

ADR score (+/- difference between rank above compared to average draft position since 2009. In theory, if you are Edmonton, and your ADR is 1, and your prospect group ranks 1, you're even.)

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I let my subscription run out, but still bought a copy of THN Future Watch. One of my favorites.

Not sure I'll get to any/many tonight. But hopefully have some down time at work tomorrow, or over the weekend. Leave requests for any team rundowns you're interested in.

avs?

[Suburban Rhythm]

NY Rangers

Rank: 23rd
Grade: B-
ADR: -8 (tied 26th) (ADR of 15, rank of 23)

No under 21 NHLers

1) Chris Kreider - LW - 19th 2009 - AHL (#20 overall)
2) JT Miller - LW - 15th 2011 - AHL (#38 overall)
3) Jesper Fast - RW - 157th 2010 - Sweden
4) Dylan McIlrath - D - 10th 2010 - AHL
5) Chistian Thomas - RW - 40th 2010 -AHL
6) Brady Skjei - D - 28th 2012 - WCHA (Minnesota)
7) Cristoval Nieves - C - 59th 2012 - CCHA (Michigan)
8) Cameron Talbot - G - FA 2010 - AHL
9) Kyle Jean - C - FA 2012 - AHL
10) Michael St Croix - C - 106th 2011 - WHL (Edmonton)

[Suburban Rhythm]

Washington Caps

Rank: 11
Grade: B
ADR: +17 (2nd) (ADR 28, rank 11)

Includes Dmitry Orlov under 21

1) Evgeny Kuznetzov - C - 26th 2010 - KHL (#3 overall)
2) Filip Forsberg - C - 11th 2012 - Sweden (#21 overall)
3) Thomas Wilson - RW - 16th 2012 - OHL (Plymouth) (#62 overall)
4) Phillipp Grubauer - G - 112th 2010 - AHL
5) Riley Barber - RW - 167th 2012 - CCHA (Miami)
6) Connor Carrick - D - 137th 2012 - OHL (Plymouth)
7) Stanislav Galiev - RW - 86th 2010 - ECHL
8) Patrick Wey - D - 115th 2009 - HE (Boston College)
9) Garrett Haar - D - 207th 2011 - CCHA (W. Michigan)
10) Garrett Mitchell - RW - 175th 2009 - AHL

Obviously these were completed back in January, so Forsberg was listed with the Caps. Michael Latta, the prospect that came with Erat in the trade, was Nashville's #5 prospect.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Colorado Avs

Rank: 15th
Grade: B
ADR: -4 (tied 20th) (ADR 11, ranked 15th)

Under 21 NHLers
Ryan O'Reilly
Gabe Landeskog

1) Stefan Elliott - D - 49th 2009 - AHL (#70 overall)
2) Tyson Barrie - D - 64th 2009 - AHL
3) Duncan Siemens - D - 11th 2011 - WHL (Saskatoon)
4) Joey Hishon - C - 17th 2010 - AHL (sort of*)
5) Calvin Pickard - G - 49th 2010 - AHL
6) Sami Aittokallio - G - 107th 2010 - AHL
7) Mike Sgarbossa - C - Trade w/ SJ - AHL
8) Mitchell Heard - C - 41st 2012 - OHL (Plymouth)
9) Brad Malone - C - 105th 2007 - AHL
10) Cameron Gaunce - D - 50th 2008 - AHL

*Hishon hasn't played a game in nearly 2 seasons after a concussion during 2011 Memorial Cup.

[britrock88]

Canes? Habs?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Carolina Hurricanes

Rank 21st
Grade B-
ADR -3 (18th) (ADR 18, rank 21)

21 and under includes Skinner and Justin Faulk

1) Ryan Murphy - D - 12th 2011 - OHL (Kitchener) (#60 overall)
2) Victor Rask - C - 42nd 2011 - WHL (Calgary)
3) Jeremy Welsh - C - FA 2012 - AHL/NHL
4) Zac Dalpe - RW - 45th 2008 - AHL/NHL
5) Phil Di Giuseppe - LW - 38th 2012 - CCHA (Michigan)
6) Brock McGinn - LW - 47th 2012 - OHL (Guelph)
7) Riley Nash - C - Trade EDM - AHL
8) Keegan Lowe - D - 73rd 2011 - WHL (Edmonton)
9) Gregory Hofmann - C - 103rd 2011 - Switzerland
10) Danny Biega - D - 67th 2010 -ECAC (Harvard)

[Suburban Rhythm]

Montreal Canadiens

Rank 13th
Grade B
ADR -4 (tied 20th) (Rank 13, ADR 9)

No under 21 NHLers

1) Alex Galchenyuk - C - 3rd 2012 - NHL (#6 overall)
2) Nathan Beaulieu - D - 17th 2011 - AHL (#41 overall)
3) Jarred Tinordi - D - 22nd 2010 - AHL (#72 overall)
4) Sebastien Collberg - RW - 33rd 2012 - Sweden
5) Brendan Gallagher - RW - 147th 2010 - NHL
6) Charles Hudon - LW - 122nd 2012 - QMJHL (Chicoutimi)
7) Michael Bournival - LW - Trade COL - AHL
8) Patrick Holland - RW - Trade CGY - AHL
9) Louis Leblanc - C - 18th 2009 - AHL
10) Danny Kristo - RW - 56th 2008 - WCHA (N. Dakota)

I guess, again, because of timing, Galchenyuk and Gallagher are not considered under 21 NHLers, but prospects, because of the lockout.

[britrock88]

Thanks!

[Chief Rum]

Awesome, love these. Ducks, por favor!

[Suburban Rhythm]

Anaheim Ducks

Rank 2nd
Grade A-
ADR +8 (6th) (Rank of 2, ADR of 10)

21 and under:

Cam Fowler
Devante Smith-Pelly

1) John Gibson - G - 39th 2011 - OHL (Kitchener) (#11 overall)
2) Hampus Lindholm - D - 6th 2012 - AHL (#12 overall)
3) Rickard Rackell - RW - 30th 2011 - NHL (#48 overall)
4) Kyle Palmieri - RW - 26th 2009 - AHL/NHL (#57 overall)
5) Emerson Etem - RW - 29th 2010 - AHL
6) William Karlsson - C - 53rd 2011 - Sweden
7) Sami Vatanen - D - 106th 2009 - AHL
8) Peter Holland - C - 15th 2009 - AHL
9) Chris Wagner - C - 122nd 2010 - AHL
10) Frederik Andersen - G - 87th 2012 - AHL

Two things

Andersen is listed at 6'4" 250 pounds! There can't be any net to shoot at!

I've probably mentioned this before, but...Gibson would have gone to the same HS I did. Was in the school district until leaving for the NTDP. His parents still live 3 houses down from my cousin, one borough over from us. And he's been at school district events at the elementary schools...my son thinks it is awesome a kid not just from Pittsburgh, but who lived maybe a mile away, will be in the NHL someday soon.

[Chief Rum]

Pretty neat to see the Ducks ranked so high now. Imagine if they had kept Schultz, too. Fowler is already 21? I thought he was younger.

Some of those guys are already playing for them (and doing well, so, awesome!).

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Pretty neat to see the Ducks ranked so high now. Imagine if they had kept Schultz, too. Fowler is already 21? I thought he was younger.

Some of those guys are already playing for them (and doing well, so, awesome!).

You are right, missed that.

Edited to add Fowler and Devante Smith

Crazy to think a guy like Etem, who many people thought was a steal at 29, barely cracks the top 5.

[bhlloy]

It's nuts to see how much Gibson's stock has risen. These sites also pretty consistently rank Palmieri above Etem, I must be missing something there.

Very excited about the future of this team. Whatever you think about Murray as a GM, the scouting department is absolutely nails. Lindholm looks like a great pick that nobody expected as well

[Suburban Rhythm]

For the most part (though Palmieri over Etem goes again the grain on this), newer prospects are almost exclusively listed ahead of older prospects. I don't know if it's a bias of the scouts (shiny, new toy syndrome), or as the prospects graduate, they are exposed against stronger competition.

As an example, Simon Despres has been pretty solid for the Pens (when in the lineup) towards the end of last year and most of this year. He looks like a guy who, at 21, will eat 20+ minutes a night.

He ranks 5th on Pittsburgh's list. Behind 3 other D in Olli Maatta, Derrick Pouliot and Joe Morrow, plus Beau Bennett.

The same Morrow who, at age 20, was scratched for 8 games in the first half of the AHL season because of his defensive game.

I can't wrap my head around the guy who has already played in the NHL, at 21, being below a guy struggling to crack an AHL lineup, at 20.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Colorado Avs

Rank: 15th
Grade: B
ADR: -4 (tied 20th) (ADR 11, ranked 15th)

Under 21 NHLers
Ryan O'Reilly
Gabe Landeskog

1) Stefan Elliott - D - 49th 2009 - AHL (#70 overall)
2) Tyson Barrie - D - 64th 2009 - AHL
3) Duncan Siemens - D - 11th 2011 - WHL (Saskatoon)
4) Joey Hishon - C - 17th 2010 - AHL (sort of*)
5) Calvin Pickard - G - 49th 2010 - AHL
6) Sami Aittokallio - G - 107th 2010 - AHL
7) Mike Sgarbossa - C - Trade w/ SJ - AHL
8) Mitchell Heard - C - 41st 2012 - OHL (Plymouth)
9) Brad Malone - C - 105th 2007 - AHL
10) Cameron Gaunce - D - 50th 2008 - AHL

*Hishon hasn't played a game in nearly 2 seasons after a concussion during 2011 Memorial Cup.

thanks. Hishon has finally started playing in the AHL and has been playing well. good to see him recover from that nasty hit by McNabb.

the top 3 really should be Barrie, Siemens and then Elliott, whose stock has been falling. oh, and Gaunce was moved to Dallas at the deadline.

/nerd

[johnnyshaka]

Oilers please.

[Warhammer]

Kings please

[Suburban Rhythm]

Edmonton Oilers

Rank 1st
Grade A+
ADR 12th (even, Rank 1 ADR 1)

Under 21
Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Paajarvi

1) Justin Schultz - D - FA 2012 - NHL (#2 overall)
2) Nail Yakupov - RW - 1st 2012 - NHL (#5 overall)
3) Oscar Klembom - D - 19th 2011 - Sweden (#37 overall)
4) Teemu Hartikainen - LW - 163rd 2008 - AHL/NHL
5) Martin Marincin - D - 46th 2010 - AHL
6) Colten Teubert - D - Trade LA - AHL
7) Tyler Pitlick - C - 31st 2010 - AHL
8) Martin Gernat - D - 122nd 2011 - WHL (Edmonton)
9) David Musil - D - 31st 2011 - WHL (Edmonton)
10) Jujhar Khaira - LW - 63rd 2012 - WCHA (Mich Tech)

Same as others...since this was complied in January, Schultz and Yak are prospects.

[Suburban Rhythm]

LA Kings

Rank 28th
Grade C
ADR 25th (-6) (ADR 22, Rank 28)

1) Tyler Toffoli - RW - 47th 2010 - AHL (#65 overall)
2) Derek Forbort - D - 15th 2010 - WCHA (N. Dakota)
3) Tanner Pearson - LW - 30th 2012 - AHL
4) Kevin Gravel - D - 148th 2010 - WCHA (St. Cloud St)
5) Jake Muzzin - D - FA 2010 - AHL
6) Nick Shore - C - 82nd 2011 - WCHA (Denver)
7) Linden Vey - C - 96th 2009 - AHL
8) Andy Andreoff - LW - 80th 2011 - AHL
9) Martin Jones - G - FA 2008 - AHL
10) Colin Miller - D - 151st 2012 - OHL (SSM)

Random thought on the Kings...and a bit of perspective on the rankings in general.

I love looking back at prior year issues. I believe it's the 2009 Future Watch, Jonathan Quick ranks 10th of Kings prospect. And is behind Bernier, Jones and Jeff Zatkoff as far as goaltending prospects. The note said something to the effect of spending time in the ECHL and "losing ground in the goaltending race".

Oops

[johnnyshaka]

Thanks, SR.

Not surprised to see that the Oilers top the list but I'm curious to see how the mid to later round guys pan out...hitting on a few of those guys could go a long way to making the damn playoffs. Ugh.

[Warhammer]

Thanks!

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

This is getting ridiculous at this point. You can pretty much write a multiple choice question that asks, "How will the Carolina Hurricanes lose tonight's game?"

A) Poor goaltending and/or defense
B) Poor special teams play
C) A and B
D) Played a good game, just ran into a hot goaltender
E) None of the above (wait, they won?)

Tonight's answer is (D).

...and tonight's answer is...(E)!

(E)?

Yes, (E)! For the first time in seven games! Woo!

Now that they've satisfied their pride, they can try to go back to the "Suck for Seth" strategy they were employing before.

[Draft Dodger]

I think you meant to say "The Game of Jones"

[IMG][/IMG]

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

...and tonight's answer is...(E)!

(E)?

Yes, (E)! For the first time in seven games! Woo!

Now that they've satisfied their pride, they can try to go back to the "Suck for Seth" strategy they were employing before.

no! hes going to denver!

[britrock88]

Lulz.

[Fidatelo]

Just got back from my last Jets game of the year. What a game! Pavelec made some amazing stops, Byfuglien laid out some sweet hits, and then the winner in OT capped it off.

With Washington losing we are now 2 points back of them and we play them once still. I'm not sure who holds any tie-breakers between them but there is a chance it could come down to that depending on how the next 4 games go.

Go Jets Go!!!

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

Just got back from my last Jets game of the year. What a game! Pavelec made some amazing stops, Byfuglien laid out some sweet hits, and then the winner in OT capped it off.

With Washington losing we are now 2 points back of them and we play them once still. I'm not sure who holds any tie-breakers between them but there is a chance it could come down to that depending on how the next 4 games go.

Go Jets Go!!!

Last regular season...or did you end up not getting playoff tix?

I'd love to see Winnipeg slide in as the 8 seed. And not just saying that because I think that's a great matchup for the Pens

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Last regular season...or did you end up not getting playoff tix?

I'd love to see Winnipeg slide in as the 8 seed. And not just saying that because I think that's a great matchup for the Pens

I suppose if they make the playoffs there is a chance I could go, but it's not a given. I have 1/8th share of our seats, so even if we got the 3-seed and hosted 4 games in round 1 I'd only have a 50/50 chance of getting to a game.

And those odds drop considerably if we are the road team against someone like the Pens

[claphamsa]

I hope SEth Jones is a bust.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I hope SEth Jones is a bust.

Why are you such a hater? Besides, he's killing it with the Winterhawks this year. So bust seems less likely.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Young Drachma

Why are you such a hater? Besides, he's killing it with the Winterhawks this year. So bust seems less likely.

becasue it looks like the AVS wont catch FLA for the #1 overall....

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

becasue it looks like the AVS wont catch FLA for the #1 overall....

Lottery + MacKinnon...plenty of chance

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Lottery + MacKinnon...plenty of chance

well ok then! I retract my hate

[Suburban Rhythm]

DOLA

I don't see Jones as having any potential of "busting"...depending on your definition.

I think, worst case, he has a relatively long career as a serviceable depth D. That may be a bust for some people, not me. He may not be a 15+ year top pairing guy, but he'll play.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

becasue it looks like the AVS wont catch FLA for the #1 overall....

Avs suck.

Thanks for playing.

Though I admit if he somehow ended up in Denver and I were still stuck in the hinterland, I'd be down to watch them once or twice more.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

well ok then! I retract my hate

Look at it this way...if the Avs win the lotto, they could probably trade back to #2 if that team (Florida if they finish last) really wants MacKinnon, get an additional pick or prospect, and take Jones at 2...cheer for that!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Look at it this way...if the Avs win the lotto, they could probably trade back to #2 if that team (Florida if they finish last) really wants MacKinnon, get an additional pick or prospect, and take Jones at 2...cheer for that!

ill add this to my new owner wishlist!