12-24-2007, 10:49 AM | #1 | ||
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NCAA Swiss System Season 2007
The Bowl Subdivision of NCAA Football currently contains 120 teams. The number of games that each team can play is severely limited due to injuries and recovery time. These two facts lead to the biggest problem with college football today: determining a champion in the fairest way possible while maintaining the integrity of the regular season.
My solution to the problem is possibly impractical due to travel expenses (though this is potentially solvable); however, the biggest hurdle in its way is the dissolving of major components of college football today, such as conferences and the bowl system (including the BCS). Regardless, I believe that having an ideal in mind for the most correct way to play the season is a necessity when working to improve the current situation. Moving in the direction of the correct system would, in most cases, be an improvement, while moving away from it would be quite the opposite. With that in mind, I present to you the 2007 season as replayed using the Swiss tournament pairing system. This system is designed to acheive a clear winner when there are a large number of entrants and a comparatively small number of games to be played. The system works as follows: 1) Teams are either seeded or drawn randomly for the first match. 2) The pool of teams is then divided in half, the top half consisting of the higher seeded teams, the bottom half consisting of the lower seeded teams. 3) The first matchup is between the 1st team in each half. For instance, for our season #1 will play #61 in the first week. #2 will play #62, and so on. 4) Home-field advantage will alternate as much as possible throughout the season. 5) In subsequent weeks, the pool is divided up according to number of wins. All teams with the same number of wins are grouped together. The matchups are then done the same way as in week 1 (the group is divided in half and the first team in each group play each other). I am using the rankings from this page to seed: http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm and I am using www.whatifsports.com to simulate each game of the season. It is important to note that this "swiss tournament" is the regular season. It is not a tournament at the end of a season, and it is not followed by a playoff at the end. The winner of the regular season is the national champion. The pros of the system: 1) fairest way to determine a true champion 2) every season would be different, more variety in opponents 3) regular season games increase in importance and are not cheapened by a playoff at the end The cons of the system: 1) rivalries cannot be maintained 2) existing league structures destroyed 3) travel difficulties (games are not as regional, schedule not known past one week into future) It takes a long time to play each game on whatifsports.com. There will obviously be 60 of them per week. I will probably just post what I can do in one sitting to try to keep things moving. Comments, discussion, etc. are VERY MUCH encouraged. The main idea of this is to see what an ideal theoretical solution to the college football dillema would look like. I hope you enjoy it. As far as the games with whatifsports.com, I don't feel 100% accuracy is that important in this replay; therefore, I am not fiddling with depth charts and game plans*. *Except in the case of Arkansas, whose default gameplan is "balanced" which I will be changing to Favor Run. I do this because it seems to make Arkansas perform a LOT better in the sim, and this will increase my enjoyment of the project (meaning I'm more likely to stick with it). Last edited by MJ4H : 12-24-2007 at 10:52 AM. Reason: added last bit about gameplans |
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12-24-2007, 10:54 AM | #2 |
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Week 1
LSU 9, Pitt 27 Ohio St 13, Vanderbilt 3 Oklahoma 44, East Carolina 7 Virginia Tech 43, Washington St 27 Missouri 38, Washington 23 West Virginia 55, Ball St 28 Kansas 25, Kansas St 31 Georgia 43, Bowling Green 35 Florida 31, C Michigan 15 USC 26, Iowa 9 Arizona St 41, NC State 18 S Florida 56, Fl Atlantic 17 Clemson 49, Houston 42 Boston Coll 35, Miami 13 Illinois 41, Northwestern 34 Cincinnati 46, Southern Miss 39 BYU 23, North Carolina 9 Hawaii 56, Stanford 34 Tennessee 45, Nevada 35 Oregon 45, LA Monroe 42 Texas 31, Wyoming 28 Auburn 47, Ole Miss 10 Oregon St 29, Notre Dame 10 Virginia 49, Memphis 16 Wisconsin 45, W Michigan 33 Connecticut 54, San Diego St 47 Arkansas 66, Middle Tenn St 10 Michigan 54, Miami OH 41 Penn St 42, Iowa St 7 Boise St 48, Ohio 27 next 30 games coming soon. |
12-24-2007, 04:00 PM | #3 |
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Week 1 (cont'd)
Wake Forest 34, San Jose St 17 Kentucky 39, Louisiana Tech 21 Texas Tech 73, Colorado St 0 Utah 34, Buffalo 24 Florida St 65, Toledo 30 UCF 28, W Kentucky 54 Air Force 17, Arkansas St 26 Michigan St 61, Syracuse 24 Texas A&M 20, Akron 34 South Carolina 27, Baylor 10 UCLA 43, E Michigan 17 Rutgers 70, Marshall 19 Georgia Tech 38, Duke 6 Mississippi St 18, UTEP 48 Oklahoma St 66, Minnesota 58 Maryland 28, UNLV 31 Troy 37, Temple 30 Alabama 37, Tulane 27 California 45, Army 14 Louisville 35, LA Lafayette 46 Purdue 44, Kent 27 Colorado 36, New Mexico St 16 TCU 7, Rice 20 Tulsa 41, Utah St 23 Fresno St 50, UAB 33 New Mexico 45, N Illinois 20 Arizona 49, SMU 6 Indiana 65, North Texas 17 Navy 66, Florida Intl 17 Nebraska 77, Idaho 44 Week 2 Schedule coming next. |
12-24-2007, 08:28 PM | #4 | |
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MJ4H I love where you are going with this, but with scores such as those above, I have a hard time lending any credibility to the outcome of games. Pitt over LSU??? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH by 18 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Of course the other 2 shouldnt be close, but the first score in the entire dynasty is LSU 9 Pitt 27... Please carry on and ignore me, not meaning to be a douchebag, but thats just funny. |
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12-24-2007, 10:53 PM | #5 |
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Yeah, it was quite the upset right out of the gate. At least it was at Pitt.
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12-24-2007, 11:12 PM | #6 |
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Note that the away team is listed first in all games.
Week 2 Schedule Ohio St - Texas Tech Utah - Oklahoma Virginia Tech - Florida State Michigan St - Missouri West Virginia - South Carolina UCLA - Georgia Florida - Rutgers Georgia Tech - USC Arizona St - Oklahoma St Troy - S Florida Clemson - Alabama California - Boston College Illinois - Purdue Colorado - Cincinnati BYU - Tulsa Fresno St - Hawaii Tennessee - New Mexico Arizona - Oregon Texas - Indiana Navy - Auburn Oregon St - Nebraska Pitt - Virginia Kansas St - Wisconsin W Kentucky - Connecticut Arkansas St - Arkansas Akron - Michigan UTEP - Penn State UNLV - Boise State LA Lafayette - Wake Forest Rice - Kentucky Memphis - LSU W Michigan - Kansas San Diego St - UCF Middle Tenn St - Texas A&M Miami OH - Mississippi St Iowa St - Maryland Ohio - Louisville San Jose St - TCU Louisiana Tech - Vanderbilt East Carolina - Colorado St Buffalo - Washington St Washington - Toledo Syracuse - Ball St Air Force - Baylor E Michigan - Bowling Green C Michigan - Marshall Duke - Iowa NC State - Minnesota Temple - Fl Atlantic Houston - Tulane Army - Miami Northwestern - Kent New Mexico St - Southern Miss North Carolina - Utah St UAB - Stanford Nevada - N Illinois SMU - LA Monroe Wyoming - North Texas Florida Intl - Ole Miss Notre Dame - Idaho |
01-01-2008, 12:28 PM | #7 |
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For the record, I love the idea and can't wait to see how it turns out.
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01-01-2008, 12:54 PM | #8 |
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cool. I will be getting back to this before long. I have been so dang busy lately I haven't had time for anything I want to do.
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01-02-2008, 08:20 PM | #9 | |
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I agree with Pumpy here. Kudos to you for taking over such a ridiculously complex undertaking though
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01-08-2008, 03:08 PM | #10 |
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Great idea. I now have a project (writing an Excel macro to automate this process based on initial ratings).
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01-09-2008, 08:11 AM | #11 |
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Oh man, is it done? It would save me a lot of trouble doing this by hand!
I should be back on this tomorrow night or so. |
01-29-2008, 01:09 PM | #12 |
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Week 2 Results
Ohio St 41, Texas Tech 17 Utah 20, Oklahoma 41 |
01-29-2008, 03:45 PM | #13 |
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I am looking forward to seeing who is last!
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02-10-2008, 01:44 AM | #14 |
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I love this thread Matt.
I do take some issue with the idea of this being perfect though. In order for us to come up with a perfect solution to this problem we cannot abandon the history of college football. Any perfect system would need to keep classic rivalries intact, which this does not. Perhaps we need to possibly precede this with, say, a 5 game mini-season or something to that effect. We could then keep our rivalry games and get some idea of seeding in the process as well. A wonderful idea though and I will continue reading.
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02-10-2008, 10:06 AM | #15 |
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Oh what I mean by perfect is simply: the fairest way to give every team the same shot at winning the National Championship. I really don't think there is a better way to do it than this.
Incidentally, I haven't forgotten this thread. The trouble is my laptop mouse is dead and I need to buy a new one, and this process of simming games on whatifsports is a real tedious one, far far worse without a mouse. When I buy a new mouse, I will be picking this back up. |
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