ZFL Offseason / 2005 Draft

revrew · 08-20-2003, 04:22 PM

With the 4th season completed, we move into the offseason. Injuries, draft, progression, trades, and cuts to come.

Here are the final standings from season 4:

Chicago Eagles: 9-2
L.A. Stars: 9-2
Albuquerque Isotopes: 8-3
San Antonio Margaritas: 8-3
Knoxville Rednecks: 7-4
Milwaukee Muscle Men: 7-4
Birmingham Olympians: 6-5
Portland Sea Biscuits: 5-6
Fargo Fighting Crawfish: 3-8
Little Rock Slick Willies: 2-9
El Paso Busters: 2-9
Cincinnati Chaps: 0-11

Thus, the draft order will be the opposite:
CN, EP, LR, FG, PT, BH, MW, KX, SA, AQ, LA, CH

Keep in mind also, Fargo has the rights to L.A.'s 3rd round pick.

revrew · 08-20-2003, 04:23 PM

Injury Report

"The injuries hit hard this year, especially on the offensive line, and on two of the league's most promising young cornerbacks."

Portland: The Sea Biscuit Kicker, Vladimir von Vladimir was involved in a car accident three days after the end of the regular season. Though the injuries were serious, he looks to recover well. It may affect his gameplay, but not severely.

Fargo: After a promising beginning to his season, rookie CB F.Swaggs was hampered towards the end by pain in his knee. Arthroscopic surgery has been scheduled for the off-season, and it make take several years for F.Swaggs to regain even his rookie form. Tough blow for the 'Fish.

Chicago: Aging veteran WR Jet has been fighting pain all year. The doctors have determined it an early onset of arthritis, and the star Eagle WR's ability looks to be seriously hampered.

Little Rock: Defensive Tackle Rock Knutne's pulled groin seems to be a continous struggle. If it continues next year, look for Knutne's performance to suffer somewhat.

Birmingham: Offensive Tackle Ares' consistent back troubles have forced him to have corrective surgery. Unfortunately for Ares, his career in professional football is over.

Milwaukee: Standout cornerback He's Not JeeberD, like Fargo's F.Swaggs, will be under the knife this offseason. Look for the former defensive rookie of the year to slow down substantially.

Cincinnati: Yet another offensive lineman has been forced to retire for health reasons. OG Aphrodite will be fighting cancer in the offseason, and perhaps for a long time. He will not return to the ZFL.

revrew · 08-20-2003, 04:23 PM

Draft Preview

"Unfortunately for our expansion clubs, the top picks won't likely turn into great tradebait. This is the deepest, most talented draft class the ZFL has ever seen, especially on defense. Players falling in the second round this year would have been first-rounders in previous years. Unfortunately for Cincinnati, who holds the first pick, that talent isn't at QB. Here's a preview of the class:

Quarterback: F There's a midrounder available that one team will have to play its cards right to get, but other than that...squat.

Halfback: C- A bunch of midrounders, but few that stand out, and none that scream 'superstar'.

Fullback: C+ 2 of the 3 fullbacks will get drafted, but probably not before the third.

Wide Receivers: B- A couple of solid prospects, one of which could go first round.

Offensive Tackle: A+ Last year we talked about the greatest OT class ever. This year will challenge for that title. There are no fewer than 8 OTs in this draft, 7 of whom should be drafted. Two are worthy of top 5 consideration, and 5 could fall before we get to round 3. With the abundance of talent on defense, however, we won't see a run on OTs like last year.

Offensive Guard: C Hard to judge this category. Only one guard deserves to be drafted, but he deserves to go top 5. Perhaps the best offensive talent in the draft is a guard, but after him--nada.

Defensive Tackle: A+ Four very solid prospects, all of whom could be gone by the end of the second, one of whom should go top 5.

Defensive End: A While none of the DEs are truly top 5, there are 6 of them. And 5 are top-two-rounders. This class of DEs are going to see action quickly, just like the OTs. Expect lots of rookie-on-rookie action next year.

Middle Backers: F Okay, not all defensive positions are loaded. Don't even think MLB until the 3rd or 4th.

Outside Backers: A- The league is hurting for outside backers, and this class will fill some appetites. There are 3 solid prospects in this squad, one of whom may be a top 5 candidate.

Safety: D- Not much strength here, either. A couple of mid to late rounders.

Cornerback: A- Two first-rounders highlight this bunch. There's a dropoff after that, but at this rate, there may not be an offensive player drafted in the first round!

Kickers: C- A whole bunch of wannabes without any proven athletes. I wouldn't look here until late, and then only if you're hurting.

DolphinFan1 · 08-20-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by revrew
Draft Preview

"Unfortunately for our expansion clubs, the top picks won't likely turn into great tradebait. This is the deepest, most talented draft class the ZFL has ever seen, especially on defense. Players falling in the second round this year would have been first-rounders in previous years. Unfortunately for Cincinnati, who holds the first pick, that talent isn't at QB. Here's a preview of the class:

Quarterback: F There's a midrounder available that one team will have to play its cards right to get, but other than that...squat.

No good QB's. I'm in trouble. Maybe I should have taken that trade earlier in the year. But I thought three 1st rounders was a bit much. Now I see it might not have been.

JeeberD · 08-20-2003, 04:36 PM

Sheew, the injury bug bypassed El Paso. Thank the lord...

The Afoci · 08-20-2003, 04:59 PM

Why did it have to be FSwaggs, why?

korme · 08-20-2003, 05:05 PM

Anyone want to trade me some picks, I have some good players.

DolphinFan1 · 08-20-2003, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
Anyone want to trade me some picks, I have some good players.

I would, but I need a QB. And from what I'm hearing you don't have one. Sorry.

Coffee Warlord · 08-20-2003, 05:32 PM

Portland is looking to dump Proven Veterans (tm) for high picks. We have no QB's. We have other things though, so let me know.

revrew · 08-20-2003, 11:30 PM

All this whining about QBs.

The fact of the matter is, there are only about 5 top-tier QBs in the league, and 12 teams clamoring for them (in reality, we have one megastar and a bunch of better than average). If you really want a QB, you'd better be willing to pay the price. Otherwise, I recommend doing what Portland has done--cover the corners with OTs and get some WRs to do the job. It's not like Paddy O belongs in the same league as Kid Gruesome, but he put up good numbers last year nonetheless.

By the way, not that it's my business to interfere, but there's a pretty decent QB in El Paso that might be obtainable, seeing as how that GM has plenty of holes to fill.

NevStar · 08-21-2003, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by revrew
All this whining about QBs.

The fact of the matter is, there are only about 5 top-tier QBs in the league, and 12 teams clamoring for them (in reality, we have one megastar and a bunch of better than average).

That's all.

revrew · 08-21-2003, 02:40 PM

Let the draft begin.** Remember to post publicly all trades, and keep up with whose turn it is and who has been drafted. We'll move this along as quickly as possible through FOUR ROUNDS. Yes, doing four again, especially for the benefit of the expansion clubs. Remember, Fargo has L.A.s third round pick.

** - Feel free to talk trades and such, we're willing to allow the first round trade talk to last a while. But by first thing Monday morning, the first pick needs to be made, and on we go.

When drafting, remember to list the position, letter code, and new name for your player. For ease this year, all offensive players are listed with capital-case letter codes, and all defensive players have lowercase letter codes.

QB:
A) MW - Dan Marino, Jr. 21, This young Division II star should find a home somewhere. Either as a back-up in training, or as a starter on a team in need. But don't look here too early. There's just too much talent at other positions. I suspect a desperate squad will reach for him in the second.
B) FG - Don't Suck 23, He's a flameout in NFLE, and I don't see him capable of anything in the ZFL either.
C) 20, Go back to college, kid.
D) 23, You want fries with that?

HB:
E) LA - Rodney Dangerfield, 23, He's not exceptionally talented, nor exceptionally young. But he has a solid work ethic, a real horse. All he does is fall consistently forward. I see a team gambling on his heart in the second.
F) 24, His CFL experience makes him valuable, but his age diminishes him. He's been beat up a bit, and I don't see him as more than a backup.
G) 23, See F) above.
H) 21, He's young and cocky, with a flash now and then, but zero consistency.
I) 23, Strong, but slow.
J) 23, Not strong. Not fast. Not elusive. Not worth it.

FB:
K) KX - Jarret Jackson, 22, A powerful young blocker who is, however, weak on running skill. A fine compliment to a solid running game. Should go second to third.
L) SA - Gus the Wonder Slug, 20, A youngster who has the potential to develop. But he's nowhere near ready to be thrown into the fray. Probably a backup or late rounder for a team with need.
M) 24, You'd be wasting your pick.

WR:
N) LA - Ashton Kucher, 21, Young and fast, this 5'11 sprinter showed great hands in college. Solid enough to go first round and young enough to develop into stardom.
O) EP - Rae 'I'm innocent!' Carruth, 20, A JuCo phenom who looks ready to make the leap. Mature beyond his age, I expect to see him go in the second.
P) LR - Stanton Dantesworth, 22, He's got the speed, but not the hands. A backup for now, who is little more than a project for later.
Q) CN - Cheerleader, 21, Tall and strong, but slow for the ZFL. I doubt he'll ever be an impact player.
R) 21, Didn't really catch that many balls in college; I think he's just trying to hang on to a career that should be over.

OT:
S) EP - Billy Milner, 20, The fact that he's so young and so unbelievably built should make this OT a top-5 candidate. Frankly, he should be considered at #1 overall. 6'4, 305, good footwork, and getting stronger by the minute.
T) BH - Another No Name, 20, The ZFL is bringing out all the JuCo stars this year. This guy was a little small for Division I, but his incredible wingspan and fast feet make him a top-5 prospect in the ZFL.
U) SA - Alys Liston TwoRev, 23, The third first-round prospect at OT, he drops here simply because he's a bit older. But he also has a proven track record in NFLE, and I expect him to continue that success.
V) KX - Lucius Jackson, 21, This fellow will probably fall into the second round. He doesn't have the footwork to play LT, but he's a powerful blocker, and will compliment any O-Line.
W) LR - Booker Endicott, 23, He doesn't have all the tools, but in the CFL, nobody got past him to the QB. His experience proves he can play, and he will be a starter in the ZFL.
X) KX - Trading Block Jackson, 20, A young project worth gambling on in the third to fourth. He's not a superstar, and I doubt he will be, but he's got time to develop into a solid contributor.
Y) 23, A late-rounder with size, but average to poor mechanics
Z) 24, A bit too old to make developing him worth it. I don't see him matching up well with the ZFL's quicker DEs.

OG:
AA) CN - So and So, 22, A gargantuan guard (355) who nonetheless is light on his feet. He moves people in the pile and is worth top-5 consideration, if not #1 overall.
BB) 24, He couldn't cut it overseas, and I don't see much future for his career here, either.
CC) 22, He won't be able to cut it.
DD) 22, He's fat AND ugly.

DT:
a) LR - Henry Blitzen, 22, A Division III dynamo who set every sack record in the book from the DT spot. He's blazingly fast and has power to match it. Top-5.
b) FG - Revrew was Right, 20, A JuCo star with a big body, a big motor, and a big attitude. Reminds me of Warren Sapp. Has the talent to go first round.
c) BH - Yet Another No Name, 21, Young and strong, but not the smartest cookie in the bunch. Still, physical talent and a knack for quietly putting up big stats makes him a second-round candidate.
d) SA - Aragorn, 23, Consistently solid leader of a run-stuffing D-line in Frankfurt. Could probably get a shot in the NFL if he waited, but he wants to see action in the ZFL now. Second?
e) MW- Benchwarmer, 20, Young, but missing the maturity to make it work. A project at best, a quick cut at worst.
f) 23, Speaking of a quick cut...

DE:
g) CH - The Answer, 21, The first of 5 DEs who might all go in the second round. This one gets top billing for being young and fast. I don't think he's the genious needed to be a top-o-the-line pick, but he'll wreak havoc somewhere.
h) CN - The Ugly One, 21, Also young, and just as good of a pick as g). The two look a lot alike: fast, elusive, and tenacious when seeking the QB.
i) AQ - Disco Stu, 22, He's more of a run-stuffer with great lateral movement but without the great burst to get upfield. Prototype left end.
j) PT - Herman the Hamster, 22, A bit inconsistent to qualify for the first-round, but he's shown flashes. Given a little time, he should be a solid ZFL lineman.
k) FG - Krusher, 23, The last of the 5 because he's the oldest of the bunch. He has played well in the CFL, but he wasn't a star there. He won't star here either, but he's still a solid end.
l) 23, 4th rounder, I suppose, but he's just not exciting. Don't look for sacks from this guy.

MLB:
m) LR - Certain breakout, 22, A typical backup MLB. Average in every way. OK to have on the bench, but hope you don't have to start him.
n) CH - SuxOr, 21, Not even being young will help this guy to excel. He just lacks the instincts to be in the right place at the right time.
o) 23, Next category, please.

OLB:
p) PT - Zoinks McAllister, 21, A bit unproven, but blazingly fast. A natural-born athlete who chewed up his High School competition and played special teams while sitting behind an NFL player in Division I. First round likely, maybe even top-5.
q) AQ - Kearney, 23, With the ZFL so hungry for linebackers, this NFLE player crossed the Atlantic. A solid tackler who contains very well on the corner and can cover the pass. Could easily go first round if teams draft on need.
r) CN - What's Her Face, 21, He's young and fast, but very green. A mid to late rounder with good upside.
s) FG - Slim Jim, 24, Solid in the CFL, but not impressive. Would probably sit on the bench in the ZFL.

S:
t) FG - Pass It Somewhere Else, 23, There are some great safeties in the ZFL. This guy won't join that company, for he's a bit too slow, but he might be solid if you're looking for help in later rounds.
u) PT - Dust Puppy, 21, Fast and furious, but undisciplined. A project to consider in later rounds.
v) 21, A bit too slow, he probably would have a better chance if he bulked up and played LB. As it is, only desperate teams need apply.

CB:
w) MW - Patrick Surtain, 22, Not many 6'2 CBs are this fast and shifty. His catchup speed is amazing. Set a record at his small college for career pass deflections. Those long arms have something to do with it. Definitely first round; enough of an impact player to go top-5.
x) KX - Deion Jackson, 23, He'd be the top pick if he were younger. He's got speed, athleticism, and good instincts. A shutdown corner for any ZFL squad.
y) EP - Bryant Westbrook, 24, A big dropoff in talent here, but the experience makes him valuable enough to solidify a bench or stopgap for a weaker team.
z) AQ - Rodney LaDanian Evant 24, He looks capable, but he couldn't produce in the CFL. I just don't see coming south of the border as a good move.

K:
aa) EP - Scott 'Missin' Sisson, 22, A former rugby player who appears to have the skills to make some noise. No superstar, but you've got to like his grit.
bb) BH - A Kicker with No Name, 22, Fit and fast, but a bit small. He'll win some overtimes for his squad, but he isn't well-rounded enough to win em all.
cc) 22, He couldn't cut it on his Division II football squad, but he is athletic. Late rounder perhaps.
dd) 22, A maniacal special teams headhunter in college, he is, however, a bit out of control for ZFL overtimes.
ee) 21, More of a wannabe than a real athlete. I think this blonde, Californian primadonna just wants his face on TV.
ff) 23, You might be strong, fella, but you fat. And slow. And I don't think so.
gg) 23, But not as fat as this guy. Nor as slow. Since when are caterpillars allowed in the draft?

revrew · 08-21-2003, 02:41 PM

Kiper's Draft Predictions:

Cincinnati - Since I think it unlikely Cinci will be able to move the first pick, Shorty will need to both address needs, grab talent, and play defensively against other teams that will also improve this year. The best way to do all three may be to take the board's only good OG, and a great one at that, to replace the retired Aphrodite. Cinci needs some more blocking for their solid backs, and I expect they'll get it in OG AA.
El Paso - The Busters are solid on defense, so they may look O. Getting QB Ryan Leaf some protection and giving HB Ki-Jana Carter somewhere to run may convince the Busters to think long-range by taking the young hulk, OT S.
Little Rock - The Willies need D, and everybody knows it. With the injury to DT Rock Knutne, and an aging Lee Roy Buttersworth I expect Little Rock to shut down the run next year with DT a.
Fargo - The Crawfish could use some help on D and in the passing game. Several good options remain here. The aging Fargo LB corps, however, might prompt The Afoci to select OLB p.
Portland - Portland is probably looking more anxiously toward the second round to pick up one of the DEs, but with an ancient secondary, I predict Coffee goes after the playmaker, CB w.
Birmingham - Birmingham's age is catching up fast. One more shot at the title by filling Ares spot at OT? Or planning for the future? Either way, OT T. looks like a winner.
Milwaukee - Milwaukee is weak in the middle, and DT help is available. I see the Muscle Men taking DT b.
Knoxville - Knoxville is hurting horribly on defense, so I suspect we see CB x. in Tennessee.
San Antonio - San Antonio has remained competitive behind a great O-line. But they need a young OT to keep it up. I see OT U. going to the Alamo.
Albuquerque - The Isotopes have got to boost their defense. There's a couple of different directions they could go. Methinks the glaring hole at DE will send AQ to DE g.
Los Angeles - DT Ed Norton won't live forever, and if the OG is gone early, LA will have to decide between WR and DT. I think they'll try to keep the defense tip top with DT c.
Chicago - The Eagles are soooo old on defense, they've got to like the selection here. But the Eagles have become a top offense. Will they try to boost the D? Or keep rolling with offense? They might go DE here, or even OLB. But then, I wonder if they'll notice how WR N. has slipped through the cracks?

Marmel · 08-21-2003, 02:51 PM

Question.

Will we be getting rosters with new grades and ages like you have in the past? If not, can I get mine? It is an esentially tool in my draft decisions to be honest.

Thanks for all your work here rev!

Marmel · 08-21-2003, 02:55 PM

I would like to package my 2nd and 4th round picks, plus a C rated halfback to move up in the second round of the draft as far as possible.

I would also move that entire package plus next year's 2nd (or 1st if the price is right, ie top half of the 1st round) for a 1st rounder this season. That is some serious depth for a rebuilding team.

DolphinFan1 · 08-21-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marmel
Question.

Will we be getting rosters with new grades and ages like you have in the past? If not, can I get mine? It is an esentially tool in my draft decisions to be honest.

Thanks for all your work here rev!

Marmel, I think Rev. gave us all that info after the draft. We have to use last year's roster.

DolphinFan1 · 08-21-2003, 08:02 PM

I am looking to move up from 7th in the 1st round. Either for a player and pick, or just picks. Send me your offers or what you need.

revrew · 08-21-2003, 08:03 PM

uh oh. Here's a dilemma. In most football games, you get the progression report prior to your draft. The first season or two, I did it that way also.

But then I decided that realism dictates you don't really know how good a player is until you see him in training camp. So the last season or 2 I haven't given out the updated rosters until AFTER the draft.

Ummm....a little lost as to which is better. Thoughts?

Coffee Warlord · 08-21-2003, 08:12 PM

Keep it as it is. We'll live.

JeeberD · 08-21-2003, 08:22 PM

I agree. Keep a little mystery involved...

John Galt · 08-21-2003, 08:45 PM

It will be interesting to see how soon A) will go given the need for QB's and the fear that someone will take the only mediocre prospect first.

Swaggs · 08-21-2003, 11:51 PM

#3 pick is on the block. Looking for at least (depending on how far I drop) a #1 and #2 back.

korme · 08-22-2003, 01:46 AM

Cincy selects OG AA, now known as So And So.

JeeberD · 08-22-2003, 02:03 AM

Argh!!!! Offense or defense! Decisions...

Dammit, here goes.

With the second pick in the first round, the El Paso Busters select OT S, now known as Billy Milner.

DolphinFan1 · 08-22-2003, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeeberD
Argh!!!! Offense or defense! Decisions...

Dammit, here goes.

With the second pick in the first round, the El Paso Busters select OT S, now known as Billy Milner.

Now there's a name from the past. It's amazing anyone remembers him.

JeeberD · 08-22-2003, 11:32 AM

Gotta do some research sometimes when you own a team of busts...

Swaggs · 08-22-2003, 12:04 PM

Little Rock selects DT (a.) Henry Blitzen.

Fargo is on the clock.

Coffee Warlord · 08-24-2003, 12:39 PM

Bump. *cough* Fargo *cough*

revrew · 08-24-2003, 03:22 PM

Hey, how about that? Kiper accurately picked the first three picks! Nice job, Slick. But predicting that Fargo pick is much tougher. Will The Afoci like the OLB? Or the wideout? Or a DT?

illinifan999 · 08-24-2003, 08:39 PM

digamma · 08-25-2003, 02:36 PM

The Afoci · 08-25-2003, 03:15 PM

My bad guys, I will pick in a second.

The Afoci · 08-25-2003, 03:17 PM

Fargo selects DT b now named Revrew Was Right.

If he busts, I will come after you rev!

Coffee Warlord · 08-25-2003, 03:48 PM

Portland selects OLB Zoinks McAllister, University of Tibet. (p)

Birmingham is on the clock.

tucker342 · 08-25-2003, 04:02 PM

Birmingham selects OT T-

tucker342 · 08-25-2003, 04:03 PM

Milwaukee is on the clock

JeeberD · 08-25-2003, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tucker342
Birmingham selects OT T-

He has no name?

DolphinFan1 · 08-25-2003, 08:09 PM

Milwaukee selects CB - (w) now known as Patrick Surtain.

digamma · 08-25-2003, 08:18 PM

Knoxville makes Kiper right again and selects CB-x. Deion Jackson.

revrew · 08-25-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Afoci
Fargo selects DT b now named Revrew Was Right.

If he busts, I will come after you rev!

Now wait a minute!! When did I ever suggest DT b. was the guy for Fargo? What did I say that "Was Right"?

In fact, Kiper had the Crawfish taking an OLB. You can't blame me one way or the other. If he's a success, and anchors the Fargo line, you're a genious. If he busts, don't blame me!!

tucker342 · 08-25-2003, 10:14 PM

Damn, Kiper's on fire!

Coffee Warlord · 08-25-2003, 10:32 PM

So, if the OLB busts, I can blame you, rev? Since, ya know, he was SUPPOSED to anchor Fargo's line, he should now anchor Portland's line!

revrew · 08-26-2003, 01:51 AM

Sorry, can't blame me for that either. I make the predicts blind to who will bust or breakout. Each player is given a number (by the rook cards) that they scout at. If Cincinnati (let's say, for example), needed a WR, and we had a 13-rated WR at the top of the board, Kiper would say "Cinci takes the WR". Now, in my file, there's a little ++ or - - next to that number. I ignore that when making the predicts. So if Cinci takes a 13- - WR, oops, too bad. That's a bust. If Cinci takes a 13 + + WR, congratulations, you got a stud!

Most busts happen in round one and four. Most breakouts get drafted in rounds 2-4. Dunno why that happens, exactly. But, well, I expect some of both will wreak havoc among the GMs this year.

Moo-ha-ha-ha! (Diabolical laugh).

JeeberD · 08-26-2003, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by revrew
Now wait a minute!! When did I ever suggest DT b. was the guy for Fargo? What did I say that "Was Right"?

In fact, Kiper had the Crawfish taking an OLB. You can't blame me one way or the other. If he's a success, and anchors the Fargo line, you're a genious. If he busts, don't blame me!!

I think he was refering to this quote...

Quote:

A JuCo star with a big body, a big motor, and a big attitude. Reminds me of Warren Sapp. Has the talent to go first round.

So I think he's saying that if he's not the next Sapp that you're too blame...

korme · 08-26-2003, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by revrew
Sorry, can't blame me for that either. I make the predicts blind to who will bust or breakout. Each player is given a number (by the rook cards) that they scout at. If Cincinnati (let's say, for example), needed a WR, and we had a 13-rated WR at the top of the board, Kiper would say "Cinci takes the WR". Now, in my file, there's a little ++ or - - next to that number. I ignore that when making the predicts. So if Cinci takes a 13- - WR, oops, too bad. That's a bust. If Cinci takes a 13 + + WR, congratulations, you got a stud!

Most busts happen in round one and four. Most breakouts get drafted in rounds 2-4. Dunno why that happens, exactly. But, well, I expect some of both will wreak havoc among the GMs this year.

Moo-ha-ha-ha! (Diabolical laugh).

Subliminol message: rev predicts Shorty will take a player that busts in hopes that Cincinnati will be cursed forever

i bet 82 fake dollars that my guy will bust

The Afoci · 08-26-2003, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeeberD
So I think he's saying that if he's not the next Sapp that you're too blame...

Exactly! So if this guy goes D. Underwood on me, lets say you might be getting a visit from some very unhappy Crawfish!

NevStar · 08-26-2003, 11:08 AM

Who's on the clock? San Antonio?

JeeberD · 08-26-2003, 12:19 PM

Yup!

The birthday boy is on the clock...

revrew · 08-26-2003, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeeberD

So I think he's saying that if he's not the next Sapp that you're too blame...

Do you remember how teams shied away from Sapp because of legal and drug problems? Do you remember how many felt his attitude wasn't compatible with the NFL? Sapp was graded "most likely to bust" in his draft class. Did I not write that he had a big "attitude"??

Of course, Sapp eventually straightened out (sort of) and became a star. Randy Moss, also graded "most likely to bust" also became quite impressive (sort of). So perhaps things will work out okay for The Afoci. But I would be skeptical of any player compared to Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Tim Couch, Vance Johnson, Janikowski, etc.

Of course, I could just be playing mind games with you as well. Y'know. Just for fun. Moo-ha-ha!

revrew · 08-26-2003, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
Subliminol message: rev predicts Shorty will take a player that busts in hopes that Cincinnati will be cursed forever

i bet 82 fake dollars that my guy will bust

Fear not Shorty. You couldn't possibly do any worse than the Bengals. I mean, right? Cuz...like...well, drafting an OG #1 and then busting would...but after an 0-11 season...

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The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	Why did it have to be FSwaggs, why? __________________ I had something.

08-20-2003, 11:30 PM	#10
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	All this whining about QBs. The fact of the matter is, there are only about 5 top-tier QBs in the league, and 12 teams clamoring for them (in reality, we have one megastar and a bunch of better than average). If you really want a QB, you'd better be willing to pay the price. Otherwise, I recommend doing what Portland has done--cover the corners with OTs and get some WRs to do the job. It's not like Paddy O belongs in the same league as Kid Gruesome, but he put up good numbers last year nonetheless. By the way, not that it's my business to interfere, but there's a pretty decent QB in El Paso that might be obtainable, seeing as how that GM has plenty of holes to fill. __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-21-2003, 02:40 PM	#12
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Let the draft begin. Remember to post publicly all trades, and keep up with whose turn it is and who has been drafted. We'll move this along as quickly as possible through FOUR ROUNDS. Yes, doing four again, especially for the benefit of the expansion clubs. Remember, Fargo has L.A.s third round pick. - Feel free to talk trades and such, we're willing to allow the first round trade talk to last a while. But by first thing Monday morning, the first pick needs to be made, and on we go. When drafting, remember to list the position, letter code, and new name for your player. For ease this year, all offensive players are listed with capital-case letter codes, and all defensive players have lowercase letter codes. QB: A) MW - Dan Marino, Jr. 21, This young Division II star should find a home somewhere. Either as a back-up in training, or as a starter on a team in need. But don't look here too early. There's just too much talent at other positions. I suspect a desperate squad will reach for him in the second. B) FG - Don't Suck 23, He's a flameout in NFLE, and I don't see him capable of anything in the ZFL either. C) 20, Go back to college, kid. D) 23, You want fries with that? HB: E) LA - Rodney Dangerfield, 23, He's not exceptionally talented, nor exceptionally young. But he has a solid work ethic, a real horse. All he does is fall consistently forward. I see a team gambling on his heart in the second. F) 24, His CFL experience makes him valuable, but his age diminishes him. He's been beat up a bit, and I don't see him as more than a backup. G) 23, See F) above. H) 21, He's young and cocky, with a flash now and then, but zero consistency. I) 23, Strong, but slow. J) 23, Not strong. Not fast. Not elusive. Not worth it. FB: K) KX - Jarret Jackson, 22, A powerful young blocker who is, however, weak on running skill. A fine compliment to a solid running game. Should go second to third. L) SA - Gus the Wonder Slug, 20, A youngster who has the potential to develop. But he's nowhere near ready to be thrown into the fray. Probably a backup or late rounder for a team with need. M) 24, You'd be wasting your pick. WR: N) LA - Ashton Kucher, 21, Young and fast, this 5'11 sprinter showed great hands in college. Solid enough to go first round and young enough to develop into stardom. O) EP - Rae 'I'm innocent!' Carruth, 20, A JuCo phenom who looks ready to make the leap. Mature beyond his age, I expect to see him go in the second. P) LR - Stanton Dantesworth, 22, He's got the speed, but not the hands. A backup for now, who is little more than a project for later. Q) CN - Cheerleader, 21, Tall and strong, but slow for the ZFL. I doubt he'll ever be an impact player. R) 21, Didn't really catch that many balls in college; I think he's just trying to hang on to a career that should be over. OT: S) EP - Billy Milner, 20, The fact that he's so young and so unbelievably built should make this OT a top-5 candidate. Frankly, he should be considered at #1 overall. 6'4, 305, good footwork, and getting stronger by the minute. T) BH - Another No Name, 20, The ZFL is bringing out all the JuCo stars this year. This guy was a little small for Division I, but his incredible wingspan and fast feet make him a top-5 prospect in the ZFL. U) SA - Alys Liston TwoRev, 23, The third first-round prospect at OT, he drops here simply because he's a bit older. But he also has a proven track record in NFLE, and I expect him to continue that success. V) KX - Lucius Jackson, 21, This fellow will probably fall into the second round. He doesn't have the footwork to play LT, but he's a powerful blocker, and will compliment any O-Line. W) LR - Booker Endicott, 23, He doesn't have all the tools, but in the CFL, nobody got past him to the QB. His experience proves he can play, and he will be a starter in the ZFL. X) KX - Trading Block Jackson, 20, A young project worth gambling on in the third to fourth. He's not a superstar, and I doubt he will be, but he's got time to develop into a solid contributor. Y) 23, A late-rounder with size, but average to poor mechanics Z) 24, A bit too old to make developing him worth it. I don't see him matching up well with the ZFL's quicker DEs. OG: AA) CN - So and So, 22, A gargantuan guard (355) who nonetheless is light on his feet. He moves people in the pile and is worth top-5 consideration, if not #1 overall. BB) 24, He couldn't cut it overseas, and I don't see much future for his career here, either. CC) 22, He won't be able to cut it. DD) 22, He's fat AND ugly. DT: a) LR - Henry Blitzen, 22, A Division III dynamo who set every sack record in the book from the DT spot. He's blazingly fast and has power to match it. Top-5. b) FG - Revrew was Right, 20, A JuCo star with a big body, a big motor, and a big attitude. Reminds me of Warren Sapp. Has the talent to go first round. c) BH - Yet Another No Name, 21, Young and strong, but not the smartest cookie in the bunch. Still, physical talent and a knack for quietly putting up big stats makes him a second-round candidate. d) SA - Aragorn, 23, Consistently solid leader of a run-stuffing D-line in Frankfurt. Could probably get a shot in the NFL if he waited, but he wants to see action in the ZFL now. Second? e) MW- Benchwarmer, 20, Young, but missing the maturity to make it work. A project at best, a quick cut at worst. f) 23, Speaking of a quick cut... DE: g) CH - The Answer, 21, The first of 5 DEs who might all go in the second round. This one gets top billing for being young and fast. I don't think he's the genious needed to be a top-o-the-line pick, but he'll wreak havoc somewhere. h) CN - The Ugly One, 21, Also young, and just as good of a pick as g). The two look a lot alike: fast, elusive, and tenacious when seeking the QB. i) AQ - Disco Stu, 22, He's more of a run-stuffer with great lateral movement but without the great burst to get upfield. Prototype left end. j) PT - Herman the Hamster, 22, A bit inconsistent to qualify for the first-round, but he's shown flashes. Given a little time, he should be a solid ZFL lineman. k) FG - Krusher, 23, The last of the 5 because he's the oldest of the bunch. He has played well in the CFL, but he wasn't a star there. He won't star here either, but he's still a solid end. l) 23, 4th rounder, I suppose, but he's just not exciting. Don't look for sacks from this guy. MLB: m) LR - Certain breakout, 22, A typical backup MLB. Average in every way. OK to have on the bench, but hope you don't have to start him. n) CH - SuxOr, 21, Not even being young will help this guy to excel. He just lacks the instincts to be in the right place at the right time. o) 23, Next category, please. OLB: p) PT - Zoinks McAllister, 21, A bit unproven, but blazingly fast. A natural-born athlete who chewed up his High School competition and played special teams while sitting behind an NFL player in Division I. First round likely, maybe even top-5. q) AQ - Kearney, 23, With the ZFL so hungry for linebackers, this NFLE player crossed the Atlantic. A solid tackler who contains very well on the corner and can cover the pass. Could easily go first round if teams draft on need. r) CN - What's Her Face, 21, He's young and fast, but very green. A mid to late rounder with good upside. s) FG - Slim Jim, 24, Solid in the CFL, but not impressive. Would probably sit on the bench in the ZFL. S: t) FG - Pass It Somewhere Else, 23, There are some great safeties in the ZFL. This guy won't join that company, for he's a bit too slow, but he might be solid if you're looking for help in later rounds. u) PT - Dust Puppy, 21, Fast and furious, but undisciplined. A project to consider in later rounds. v) 21, A bit too slow, he probably would have a better chance if he bulked up and played LB. As it is, only desperate teams need apply. CB: w) MW - Patrick Surtain, 22, Not many 6'2 CBs are this fast and shifty. His catchup speed is amazing. Set a record at his small college for career pass deflections. Those long arms have something to do with it. Definitely first round; enough of an impact player to go top-5. x) KX - Deion Jackson, 23, He'd be the top pick if he were younger. He's got speed, athleticism, and good instincts. A shutdown corner for any ZFL squad. y) EP - Bryant Westbrook, 24, A big dropoff in talent here, but the experience makes him valuable enough to solidify a bench or stopgap for a weaker team. z) AQ - Rodney LaDanian Evant 24, He looks capable, but he couldn't produce in the CFL. I just don't see coming south of the border as a good move. K: aa) EP - Scott 'Missin' Sisson, 22, A former rugby player who appears to have the skills to make some noise. No superstar, but you've got to like his grit. bb) BH - A Kicker with No Name, 22, Fit and fast, but a bit small. He'll win some overtimes for his squad, but he isn't well-rounded enough to win em all. cc) 22, He couldn't cut it on his Division II football squad, but he is athletic. Late rounder perhaps. dd) 22, A maniacal special teams headhunter in college, he is, however, a bit out of control for ZFL overtimes. ee) 21, More of a wannabe than a real athlete. I think this blonde, Californian primadonna just wants his face on TV. ff) 23, You might be strong, fella, but you fat. And slow. And I don't think so. gg) 23, But not as fat as this guy. Nor as slow. Since when are caterpillars allowed in the draft? __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference. Last edited by revrew : 09-13-2003 at 10:54 AM.

08-21-2003, 02:41 PM	#13
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Kiper's Draft Predictions: Cincinnati - Since I think it unlikely Cinci will be able to move the first pick, Shorty will need to both address needs, grab talent, and play defensively against other teams that will also improve this year. The best way to do all three may be to take the board's only good OG, and a great one at that, to replace the retired Aphrodite. Cinci needs some more blocking for their solid backs, and I expect they'll get it in OG AA. El Paso - The Busters are solid on defense, so they may look O. Getting QB Ryan Leaf some protection and giving HB Ki-Jana Carter somewhere to run may convince the Busters to think long-range by taking the young hulk, OT S. Little Rock - The Willies need D, and everybody knows it. With the injury to DT Rock Knutne, and an aging Lee Roy Buttersworth I expect Little Rock to shut down the run next year with DT a. Fargo - The Crawfish could use some help on D and in the passing game. Several good options remain here. The aging Fargo LB corps, however, might prompt The Afoci to select OLB p. Portland - Portland is probably looking more anxiously toward the second round to pick up one of the DEs, but with an ancient secondary, I predict Coffee goes after the playmaker, CB w. Birmingham - Birmingham's age is catching up fast. One more shot at the title by filling Ares spot at OT? Or planning for the future? Either way, OT T. looks like a winner. Milwaukee - Milwaukee is weak in the middle, and DT help is available. I see the Muscle Men taking DT b. Knoxville - Knoxville is hurting horribly on defense, so I suspect we see CB x. in Tennessee. San Antonio - San Antonio has remained competitive behind a great O-line. But they need a young OT to keep it up. I see OT U. going to the Alamo. Albuquerque - The Isotopes have got to boost their defense. There's a couple of different directions they could go. Methinks the glaring hole at DE will send AQ to DE g. Los Angeles - DT Ed Norton won't live forever, and if the OG is gone early, LA will have to decide between WR and DT. I think they'll try to keep the defense tip top with DT c. Chicago - The Eagles are soooo old on defense, they've got to like the selection here. But the Eagles have become a top offense. Will they try to boost the D? Or keep rolling with offense? They might go DE here, or even OLB. But then, I wonder if they'll notice how WR N. has slipped through the cracks? __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-20-2003, 04:23 PM	#2
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Injury Report "The injuries hit hard this year, especially on the offensive line, and on two of the league's most promising young cornerbacks." Portland: The Sea Biscuit Kicker, Vladimir von Vladimir was involved in a car accident three days after the end of the regular season. Though the injuries were serious, he looks to recover well. It may affect his gameplay, but not severely. Fargo: After a promising beginning to his season, rookie CB F.Swaggs was hampered towards the end by pain in his knee. Arthroscopic surgery has been scheduled for the off-season, and it make take several years for F.Swaggs to regain even his rookie form. Tough blow for the 'Fish. Chicago: Aging veteran WR Jet has been fighting pain all year. The doctors have determined it an early onset of arthritis, and the star Eagle WR's ability looks to be seriously hampered. Little Rock: Defensive Tackle Rock Knutne's pulled groin seems to be a continous struggle. If it continues next year, look for Knutne's performance to suffer somewhat. Birmingham: Offensive Tackle Ares' consistent back troubles have forced him to have corrective surgery. Unfortunately for Ares, his career in professional football is over. Milwaukee: Standout cornerback He's Not JeeberD, like Fargo's F.Swaggs, will be under the knife this offseason. Look for the former defensive rookie of the year to slow down substantially. Cincinnati: Yet another offensive lineman has been forced to retire for health reasons. OG Aphrodite will be fighting cancer in the offseason, and perhaps for a long time. He will not return to the ZFL. __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-20-2003, 05:05 PM	#7
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Anyone want to trade me some picks, I have some good players.

08-20-2003, 05:32 PM	#9
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Portland is looking to dump Proven Veterans (tm) for high picks. We have no QB's. We have other things though, so let me know.

08-21-2003, 02:51 PM	#14
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	Question. Will we be getting rosters with new grades and ages like you have in the past? If not, can I get mine? It is an esentially tool in my draft decisions to be honest. Thanks for all your work here rev! __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

08-21-2003, 02:55 PM	#15
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	I would like to package my 2nd and 4th round picks, plus a C rated halfback to move up in the second round of the draft as far as possible. I would also move that entire package plus next year's 2nd (or 1st if the price is right, ie top half of the 1st round) for a 1st rounder this season. That is some serious depth for a rebuilding team. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

08-21-2003, 08:02 PM	#17
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	I am looking to move up from 7th in the 1st round. Either for a player and pick, or just picks. Send me your offers or what you need. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

08-21-2003, 08:03 PM	#18
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	uh oh. Here's a dilemma. In most football games, you get the progression report prior to your draft. The first season or two, I did it that way also. But then I decided that realism dictates you don't really know how good a player is until you see him in training camp. So the last season or 2 I haven't given out the updated rosters until AFTER the draft. Ummm....a little lost as to which is better. Thoughts? __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-21-2003, 08:12 PM	#19
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Keep it as it is. We'll live.

08-21-2003, 08:22 PM	#20
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I agree. Keep a little mystery involved... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

08-21-2003, 08:45 PM	#21
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	It will be interesting to see how soon A) will go given the need for QB's and the fear that someone will take the only mediocre prospect first. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

08-21-2003, 11:51 PM	#22
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	#3 pick is on the block. Looking for at least (depending on how far I drop) a #1 and #2 back. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-22-2003, 01:46 AM	#23
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Cincy selects OG AA, now known as So And So.

08-22-2003, 02:03 AM	#24
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Argh!!!! Offense or defense! Decisions... Dammit, here goes. With the second pick in the first round, the El Paso Busters select OT S, now known as Billy Milner. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

08-22-2003, 11:32 AM	#26
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Gotta do some research sometimes when you own a team of busts... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

08-22-2003, 12:04 PM	#27
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Little Rock selects DT (a.) Henry Blitzen. Fargo is on the clock. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-24-2003, 12:39 PM	#28
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Bump. cough Fargo cough

08-24-2003, 03:22 PM	#29
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Hey, how about that? Kiper accurately picked the first three picks! Nice job, Slick. But predicting that Fargo pick is much tougher. Will The Afoci like the OLB? Or the wideout? Or a DT? __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-24-2003, 08:39 PM	#30
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Bump __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

08-25-2003, 02:36 PM	#31
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Bump

08-25-2003, 03:15 PM	#32
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	My bad guys, I will pick in a second. __________________ I had something.

08-25-2003, 03:17 PM	#33
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	Fargo selects DT b now named Revrew Was Right. If he busts, I will come after you rev! __________________ I had something.

08-25-2003, 03:48 PM	#34
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Portland selects OLB Zoinks McAllister, University of Tibet. (p) Birmingham is on the clock. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 08-25-2003 at 03:50 PM.

08-25-2003, 04:02 PM	#35
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Birmingham selects OT T-

08-25-2003, 04:03 PM	#36
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Milwaukee is on the clock

08-25-2003, 08:09 PM	#38
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	Milwaukee selects CB - (w) now known as Patrick Surtain. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

08-25-2003, 08:18 PM	#39
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Knoxville makes Kiper right again and selects CB-x. Deion Jackson.

08-25-2003, 10:14 PM	#41
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Damn, Kiper's on fire!

08-25-2003, 10:32 PM	#42
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	So, if the OLB busts, I can blame you, rev? Since, ya know, he was SUPPOSED to anchor Fargo's line, he should now anchor Portland's line!

08-26-2003, 01:51 AM	#43
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Sorry, can't blame me for that either. I make the predicts blind to who will bust or breakout. Each player is given a number (by the rook cards) that they scout at. If Cincinnati (let's say, for example), needed a WR, and we had a 13-rated WR at the top of the board, Kiper would say "Cinci takes the WR". Now, in my file, there's a little ++ or - - next to that number. I ignore that when making the predicts. So if Cinci takes a 13- - WR, oops, too bad. That's a bust. If Cinci takes a 13 + + WR, congratulations, you got a stud! Most busts happen in round one and four. Most breakouts get drafted in rounds 2-4. Dunno why that happens, exactly. But, well, I expect some of both will wreak havoc among the GMs this year. Moo-ha-ha-ha! (Diabolical laugh). __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

08-26-2003, 11:08 AM	#47
NevStar High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Raleigh, NC	Who's on the clock? San Antonio? __________________ I can't think of a clever signature.