Werewolf LVI: Beneath the Iron Cross - GAME OVER, VILLAGERS WIN! - Page 3

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 08:05 AM

Still no PM for me. Plain villager.

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 08:41 AM

hmmmm

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 08:44 AM

So no PM = villager?

Okie doke, villager then.

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 09:04 AM

Villager checking in.

And sorry, I don't always read all the crap that everyone says before the game begins

If anyone remembers me from when I played back a while ago, my schtick is that villagers screw themselves by not disclosing info for too long into the game. This opinion has gotten me killed by wolves (who don't want to see villagers putting info on the table early) and by other villagers (see that awful warhammer 40K game).

Earlier disclosure avoids a bunch of turns of informationless fratricide by villagers, and it mitigates the risk of villagers accidentally killing an important role early (see the string em up game) where the duke got lynched 1st turn and duked the seer. Also it avoids us losing people before they ever got to use their role (how many games did the seer wait too long and get killed before telling anyone what they saw?)

So anyway, please think about this as you play. To be clear, I'm not saying the seer or anyone should tell the world who he is the first turn, but if you are a role which can defend themselves, or has limited utility but can be verified, try to err on the side of getting us the info earlier rather than later.

oliegirl · 10-01-2007, 09:37 AM

I see both sides of RealDeal's point...we did a mass reveal in the last game (upstairs downstairs) and it worked great, but that was kind of an odd game and I've never been in another game that did a mass reveal like that.

We need to get some conversation/dialogue going today so we have something to base a vote on tonight. I'm pretty slow at work now so I'm going to be going through to see who has not checked in and stuff like that...I'll be in here pretty much all day for anyone who wants to talk and try and formulate a game plan.

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 09:42 AM

Mass reveals can work in certain games, but I think in a fairly vanilla WW game like this, it would be tough. But even if you get one or two trusted people in the first couple of turns, it makes life a lot easier.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:00 AM

OK, going back to an earlier topic - the people likely to be picked as wolves. I'm not sure how much value there is in this without knowing who is the alpha wolf, but here are my expanded thoughts on the player list and viability as a wolf selection:

The overriding factor in picking wolves should be to avoid getting scanned. Without a seer scan to get a wolf, the wolves have to feel good about their ability to manipulate a vote when in a pinch. So picking vets is tricky - if it was me doing the picking I would either avoid this list entirely or pick at max one person from here.

Likely to be early scan: Hoops, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Cronin, Path, Saldana, Pass

Does this make these people less likely to be picked as wolves? Depends on who is doing the picking - getting the Alpha early in this game should provide a lot of insight.

There is also a fairly good chance that the people in the above list will be early night kills if they are not villagers, based upon past games.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:07 AM

Any thoughts on how many wolves? With the ability to choose your team, I can't see more than 3 wolves total.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is also a fairly good chance that the people in the above list will be early night kills if they are not villagers, based upon past games.

I agree with this. If we're not going to worry about vets because we're figuring the alpha wolf wouln't want them, then the wolves might as well just off them based on the fact that they can be good villagers.

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, going back to an earlier topic - the people likely to be picked as wolves. I'm not sure how much value there is in this without knowing who is the alpha wolf, but here are my expanded thoughts on the player list and viability as a wolf selection:

The overriding factor in picking wolves should be to avoid getting scanned. Without a seer scan to get a wolf, the wolves have to feel good about their ability to manipulate a vote when in a pinch. So picking vets is tricky - if it was me doing the picking I would either avoid this list entirely or pick at max one person from here.

Likely to be early scan: Hoops, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Cronin, Path, Saldana, Pass

Does this make these people less likely to be picked as wolves? Depends on who is doing the picking - getting the Alpha early in this game should provide a lot of insight.

There is also a fairly good chance that the people in the above list will be early night kills if they are not villagers, based upon past games.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone on your list does end up as a wolf. Let's assume someone less noticable is the Alpha wolf, then getting at least one of the better known wolves would be a way to spark good conversation in thier provate discussions.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I wouldn't be surprised if someone on your list does end up as a wolf. Let's assume someone less noticable is the Alpha wolf, then getting at least one of the better known wolves would be a way to spark good conversation in thier provate discussions.

How many people are in the game? I see 16 in the first post -- if I'm in, that makes 17. Hoops had 7 on his list -- I think it's too good to be true to think we can eliminate that many right off the bat, for this reason.

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 10:33 AM

i'm offended that I wasn't on hoops' list. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future.

Neon_Chaos · 10-01-2007, 10:33 AM

I accidentally deleted Pass' name on the list when I corrected after Lathum and Schmidty left. Put him back in.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm offended that I wasn't on hoops' list. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future.

Yeah, and I'm actually surprised I was. You're a much better choice for it than I am.

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 10:37 AM

maybe hoops is the alpha wolf trying to throw us off?

I dunno...i don't think that's likely, but it's an idea to float out there...

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:37 AM

I don't think that the whole list is clear - again, that would require someone not on the list to think in the same way that I would think.

The list just represents my early thoughts on what I perceive to be the "right play" with the wolf selections. When I got to choose conversions in the "Thing" game awhile back I took players I considered to be solid, but UTR players - Swaggs and Path are two I recall picking at that time. Of course, the earlier wolves had selected me as their first conversion, nearly losing the game in the process.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm offended that I wasn't on hoops' list. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future.

That is always the risk in putting these lists together - that you end up pissing people off based on your selections.

At some point it becomes silly to make a list if it doesn't really filter. So I had to cut it off where it still made sense.

As a wolf of any sort, I wouldn't be keen on making waves early in the game like this. Let alone as Alpha Wolf, posting a blueprint of my actual thoughts on how to play the role.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I wouldn't be surprised if someone on your list does end up as a wolf. Let's assume someone less noticable is the Alpha wolf, then getting at least one of the better known wolves would be a way to spark good conversation in thier provate discussions.

If someone noticeable is the Alpha, I think the last thing they would want to do is grab another "noticeable" player. If the goal is to win the game, then why put a second wolf role at risk like that?

I'll put it this way - hypothetically, there is no way that I would grab Barkeep as a wolf teammate if I was playing as the Alpha Wolf. And I would expect he would say the same thing.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That is always the risk in putting these lists together - that you end up pissing people off based on your selections.

At some point it becomes silly to make a list if it doesn't really filter. So I had to cut it off where it still made sense.

As a wolf of any sort, I wouldn't be keen on making waves early in the game like this. Let alone as Alpha Wolf, posting a blueprint of my actual thoughts on how to play the role.

Well yeah -- as a wolf, you'd be lying about it!

I think arguments could be made either way. You could choose guys from that list, and figure they won't get much heat, because -- why would the alpha wolf choose quality vets, knowing that that's who we'll take?

In the end, the alpha wolf will probably just choose people he likes chatting with about the game, or people he thinks he meshes well with. On the other hand, maybe he'll choose people he doesn't interact with often...

I got nothing.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Any thoughts on how many wolves? With the ability to choose your team, I can't see more than 3 wolves total.

Depends on the abilities of the wolves and the villagers, I would guess. 3-4 wolves sounds right to me.

Of course, since no one received a PM from Neon and everyone is a vanilla villager I hope that there are no more than three wolves total.

path12 · 10-01-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If someone noticeable is the Alpha, I think the last thing they would want to do is grab another "noticeable" player. If the goal is to win the game, then why put a second wolf role at risk like that?

I'll put it this way - hypothetically, there is no way that I would grab Barkeep as a wolf teammate if I was playing as the Alpha Wolf. And I would expect he would say the same thing.

I agree with you on this point. But it all depends on the Alpha. If the Alpha is a newer/less experienced player, I would expect that at least one or two vets would be picked just for advice/strategy discussions.

My feeling on this topic overall is that it is something to keep in mind, but based on the superhero game the idea can be turned into a very effective tangent by those who are chosen by the Alpha.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 10:53 AM

It's probably just that Neon forgot to send out the PMs. Doh!

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 10:57 AM

Well, can't say I have much to add on who-would-pick-who Wolf wise. Is that how we're going here? It just seems too much like a shot in the dark and

A) A smart Alpha Wolf wouldn't make it too easy to decide

B) A smart pack of wolves could manipulate such a discussion easily.

C) What if the Alpha Wolf is a seasoned vet, and decided he'd just pick up the best vets he could, figuring at least he has the "talent" to his advantage?

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 10:58 AM

Path, I'm up for any other lines of discussion that you think are compelling on Day 1

Seriously, at the end of the day we are going to likely end up with a pseudo-random vote. I would rather have it based off of some conversation than just picking a name out of a hat. Is this topic a good one? Don't know ... I'm mildly interested to hear what people think on the matter.

jeheinz72 · 10-01-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Seriously, at the end of the day we are going to likely end up with a pseudo-random vote. I would rather have it based off of some conversation than just picking a name out of a hat. Is this topic a good one? Don't know ... I'm mildly interested to hear what people think on the matter.

No, that does make some sense, just exploring options. Maybe that combined with who hasn't checked in? Could give us a decent sub-set of people to pick from.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2007, 11:03 AM

I know I'm a newbie saying this, but I do agree that there is at least one veteran wolf out there. Hoops' list may not be a bad way to pick for the random day one vote although I'm not yet seeing anyone jump out ahead of the others there. Otherwise, I'm pretty much following this conversation to see where it leads.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I know I'm a newbie saying this, but I do agree that there is at least one veteran wolf out there. Hoops' list may not be a bad way to pick for the random day one vote although I'm not yet seeing anyone jump out ahead of the others there. Otherwise, I'm pretty much following this conversation to see where it leads.

If we want to see where it leads, we might as well make things happen with it.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 11:13 AM

Well, 17 total players, and roughly half are "veterans". If we assume three wolves, then probably is at least one "veteran" who is a wolf, but that doesn't really tell us much since it's just a percentage thing.

Lathum · 10-01-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm offended that I wasn't on hoops' list. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future.

me too

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

me too

You are on my "Internet poker donkey" list, if that makes you feel any better.

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 11:21 AM

I'm voting for Lathum because I seem to remember he wolf-killed me in the last WW game I played. Obviously, this is a placeholder vote I will probably change later.

vote Lathum

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 11:28 AM

RealDeal, unless I'm mistaken Lathum is not in this game.

I think I voted for TazFTW that way once upon a time ...

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 11:29 AM

Dola - that makes for one very interesting placeholder vote

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 11:32 AM

god, ok maybe I should read the whole thread and the rules and all that good stuff. Now that we are in the workweek, I will be more focused. Weekends, always tougher for me.

unvote Lathum

Lathum · 10-01-2007, 11:44 AM

Jesus, I am suspiscous in games I'm not even playing in

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 11:54 AM

This is my first non-cronin game, too.

path12 · 10-01-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, I'm up for any other lines of discussion that you think are compelling on Day 1

Seriously, at the end of the day we are going to likely end up with a pseudo-random vote. I would rather have it based off of some conversation than just picking a name out of a hat. Is this topic a good one? Don't know ... I'm mildly interested to hear what people think on the matter.

Sorry if I came off like I was blowing the topic off, that wasn't the intent -- and for day 1 it's as good a topic as any to explore.

My thought was as above, I think your list is a decent starting point (though those aren't players I'd be likely to vote off day 1 anyway without some sort of an extra reason). At the same time, I also agree that those would be the sort of folks I'd think were going to be getting scanned early in the game which again makes them a less desirable day 1 target (for both votes and night kills.....since staying alive tends to put more suspicion on the vets naturally).

My day 1 rationale remains focused on those who don't check in. I haven't looked at that list yet.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 12:18 PM

If I was the alpha wolf, I would, as hoops suggests, not pick one of the "BIG" names out there, though I might be tempted to pick CR just because he's such a good villager. However, if I wasn't one of the people on the list, and I was the alpha wolf, I'd pick someone from that list just because of this line of thinking. My rough guess is that 1 person from hoops list is a wolf, and 2 are not, assuming 3 wolves. If there are 4 wolves, which I consider less likely, but possible, then that last wolf could go either way, mostly depending on whether the alpha is a list player.

So, by my math, there is a 1/6 chance of someone on the list being a wolf (I being a villager can rule myself out as a wolf) and a 1/5 of someone not on the list being a wolf. I will thus be voting for someone not on the list for now.

Oh, and for the night kill I think there's a higher chance of someone on the list being the kill, though with this being such a huge topic of discussion the wolves could leave the list alone just to raise suspicion at this point.

Barkeep49 · 10-01-2007, 12:19 PM

Oh and I'm not sure any of the votes cast have been legal. I would recommend people take a look at how Neon wants the votes, especially because he's indicated he's going to be strict in his counting.

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 12:22 PM

I think the list has no value. If I were the alpha wolf I would use random.org to pick the wolves.

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 12:30 PM

i'm pissed that the alpha wolf didn't pick me. I'm bored of being a villegar...i'm coming after you apha-wolf!!!

RealDeal · 10-01-2007, 12:30 PM

Yep, all votes most be standalone posts.

Votes should be in blue, and unvotes should be in red

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 12:34 PM

VOTE BARKEEP49

Not neccesarily suspicious of him, but he did say he wanted to take a game off...

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 12:35 PM

VOTE BARKEEP49

Blue? Ok.

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 12:37 PM

i'm going to vote for someone who doesn't vote properly, since RealDeal just posted the voting procedures

DaddyTorgo · 10-01-2007, 12:37 PM

maybe neon uses some odd filipino-skin where blue really stands out? LOL

ntndeacon · 10-01-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, can't say I have much to add on who-would-pick-who Wolf wise. Is that how we're going here? It just seems too much like a shot in the dark and

A) A smart Alpha Wolf wouldn't make it too easy to decide

B) A smart pack of wolves could manipulate such a discussion easily.

C) What if the Alpha Wolf is a seasoned vet, and decided he'd just pick up the best vets he could, figuring at least he has the "talent" to his advantage?

A & B are certainly true. C however forgets that most of the players here have played for a bit. And without loss of talent could choose others besides the list totally.

hoopsguy · 10-01-2007, 12:51 PM

Cronin, I don't think your other vote in blue is good either based on the rules. I've posted the Voting section in its entirety from the initial page.

V. VOTING:
For the sake of counting votes and making them stand out completely, the following voting format will be employed:

Only valid votes will be counted. Votes must be stand-alone posts, in bold, and colored blue. Casing does not matter, nor does punctuation. Any vote that does not follow this format is INVALID.

example:
Vote Skydog

Unvoting is similar. Unvotes must be stand-alone posts, in bold, and colored red. Casing does not matter. Any unvote that does not follow this format is INVALID.

example:
Unvote Skydog

A combination of an Unvote and a Vote is allowed, see the example:

example:
Unvote Skydog
Vote Skydog

Votes will be tallied at the end of a Day Phase. The player with the most number of votes will be lynched. In case of ties, there will be a specific tiebreaker. The first valid vote cast between the tied players (an unvoted vote does not count) will determine the player to be lynched.

example:

A votes for C
B votes for D
A unvotes C
A votes for D
A unvotes D
A votes for C

D and C are tied. A cast the first vote, however, he unvoted, which means B's vote is the deciding vote. D is thus lynched.

You may NOT vote for a No Lynch.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 12:53 PM

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Passacaglia · 10-01-2007, 12:54 PM

Just fixing my vote.

10-01-2007, 10:33 AM	#113
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I accidentally deleted Pass' name on the list when I corrected after Lathum and Schmidty left. Put him back in. __________________ Come and see.

10-01-2007, 11:54 AM	#136
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	This is my first non-cronin game, too. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 12:22 PM	#140
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think the list has no value. If I were the alpha wolf I would use random.org to pick the wolves. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 12:34 PM	#143
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	VOTE BARKEEP49 Not neccesarily suspicious of him, but he did say he wanted to take a game off... __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 12:35 PM	#144
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	VOTE BARKEEP49 Blue? Ok. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-01-2007, 08:05 AM	#101
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Still no PM for me. Plain villager.

10-01-2007, 08:41 AM	#102
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hmmmm

10-01-2007, 08:44 AM	#103
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So no PM = villager? Okie doke, villager then.

10-01-2007, 09:04 AM	#104
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	Villager checking in. And sorry, I don't always read all the crap that everyone says before the game begins If anyone remembers me from when I played back a while ago, my schtick is that villagers screw themselves by not disclosing info for too long into the game. This opinion has gotten me killed by wolves (who don't want to see villagers putting info on the table early) and by other villagers (see that awful warhammer 40K game). Earlier disclosure avoids a bunch of turns of informationless fratricide by villagers, and it mitigates the risk of villagers accidentally killing an important role early (see the string em up game) where the duke got lynched 1st turn and duked the seer. Also it avoids us losing people before they ever got to use their role (how many games did the seer wait too long and get killed before telling anyone what they saw?) So anyway, please think about this as you play. To be clear, I'm not saying the seer or anyone should tell the world who he is the first turn, but if you are a role which can defend themselves, or has limited utility but can be verified, try to err on the side of getting us the info earlier rather than later.

10-01-2007, 09:42 AM	#106
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	Mass reveals can work in certain games, but I think in a fairly vanilla WW game like this, it would be tough. But even if you get one or two trusted people in the first couple of turns, it makes life a lot easier.

10-01-2007, 10:00 AM	#107
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, going back to an earlier topic - the people likely to be picked as wolves. I'm not sure how much value there is in this without knowing who is the alpha wolf, but here are my expanded thoughts on the player list and viability as a wolf selection: The overriding factor in picking wolves should be to avoid getting scanned. Without a seer scan to get a wolf, the wolves have to feel good about their ability to manipulate a vote when in a pinch. So picking vets is tricky - if it was me doing the picking I would either avoid this list entirely or pick at max one person from here. Likely to be early scan: Hoops, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Cronin, Path, Saldana, Pass Does this make these people less likely to be picked as wolves? Depends on who is doing the picking - getting the Alpha early in this game should provide a lot of insight. There is also a fairly good chance that the people in the above list will be early night kills if they are not villagers, based upon past games.

10-01-2007, 10:07 AM	#108
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Any thoughts on how many wolves? With the ability to choose your team, I can't see more than 3 wolves total.

10-01-2007, 10:33 AM	#112
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm offended that I wasn't on hoops' list. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future.

10-01-2007, 10:37 AM	#115
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	maybe hoops is the alpha wolf trying to throw us off? I dunno...i don't think that's likely, but it's an idea to float out there...

10-01-2007, 10:37 AM	#116
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't think that the whole list is clear - again, that would require someone not on the list to think in the same way that I would think. The list just represents my early thoughts on what I perceive to be the "right play" with the wolf selections. When I got to choose conversions in the "Thing" game awhile back I took players I considered to be solid, but UTR players - Swaggs and Path are two I recall picking at that time. Of course, the earlier wolves had selected me as their first conversion, nearly losing the game in the process.

10-01-2007, 10:53 AM	#122
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	It's probably just that Neon forgot to send out the PMs. Doh!

10-01-2007, 10:57 AM	#123
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Well, can't say I have much to add on who-would-pick-who Wolf wise. Is that how we're going here? It just seems too much like a shot in the dark and A) A smart Alpha Wolf wouldn't make it too easy to decide B) A smart pack of wolves could manipulate such a discussion easily. C) What if the Alpha Wolf is a seasoned vet, and decided he'd just pick up the best vets he could, figuring at least he has the "talent" to his advantage?

10-01-2007, 10:58 AM	#124
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, I'm up for any other lines of discussion that you think are compelling on Day 1 Seriously, at the end of the day we are going to likely end up with a pseudo-random vote. I would rather have it based off of some conversation than just picking a name out of a hat. Is this topic a good one? Don't know ... I'm mildly interested to hear what people think on the matter.

10-01-2007, 11:03 AM	#126
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I know I'm a newbie saying this, but I do agree that there is at least one veteran wolf out there. Hoops' list may not be a bad way to pick for the random day one vote although I'm not yet seeing anyone jump out ahead of the others there. Otherwise, I'm pretty much following this conversation to see where it leads.

10-01-2007, 11:13 AM	#128
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	Well, 17 total players, and roughly half are "veterans". If we assume three wolves, then probably is at least one "veteran" who is a wolf, but that doesn't really tell us much since it's just a percentage thing.

10-01-2007, 11:21 AM	#131
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I'm voting for Lathum because I seem to remember he wolf-killed me in the last WW game I played. Obviously, this is a placeholder vote I will probably change later. vote Lathum

10-01-2007, 11:28 AM	#132
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	RealDeal, unless I'm mistaken Lathum is not in this game. I think I voted for TazFTW that way once upon a time ...

10-01-2007, 11:29 AM	#133
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dola - that makes for one very interesting placeholder vote

10-01-2007, 11:32 AM	#134
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	god, ok maybe I should read the whole thread and the rules and all that good stuff. Now that we are in the workweek, I will be more focused. Weekends, always tougher for me. unvote Lathum

10-01-2007, 11:44 AM	#135
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jesus, I am suspiscous in games I'm not even playing in

10-01-2007, 12:18 PM	#138
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	If I was the alpha wolf, I would, as hoops suggests, not pick one of the "BIG" names out there, though I might be tempted to pick CR just because he's such a good villager. However, if I wasn't one of the people on the list, and I was the alpha wolf, I'd pick someone from that list just because of this line of thinking. My rough guess is that 1 person from hoops list is a wolf, and 2 are not, assuming 3 wolves. If there are 4 wolves, which I consider less likely, but possible, then that last wolf could go either way, mostly depending on whether the alpha is a list player. So, by my math, there is a 1/6 chance of someone on the list being a wolf (I being a villager can rule myself out as a wolf) and a 1/5 of someone not on the list being a wolf. I will thus be voting for someone not on the list for now. Oh, and for the night kill I think there's a higher chance of someone on the list being the kill, though with this being such a huge topic of discussion the wolves could leave the list alone just to raise suspicion at this point.

10-01-2007, 12:19 PM	#139
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Oh and I'm not sure any of the votes cast have been legal. I would recommend people take a look at how Neon wants the votes, especially because he's indicated he's going to be strict in his counting.

10-01-2007, 12:30 PM	#141
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm pissed that the alpha wolf didn't pick me. I'm bored of being a villegar...i'm coming after you apha-wolf!!!

10-01-2007, 12:30 PM	#142
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	Yep, all votes most be standalone posts. Votes should be in blue, and unvotes should be in red

10-01-2007, 12:37 PM	#145
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm going to vote for someone who doesn't vote properly, since RealDeal just posted the voting procedures

10-01-2007, 12:37 PM	#146
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	maybe neon uses some odd filipino-skin where blue really stands out? LOL

10-01-2007, 12:51 PM	#148
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, I don't think your other vote in blue is good either based on the rules. I've posted the Voting section in its entirety from the initial page. V. VOTING: For the sake of counting votes and making them stand out completely, the following voting format will be employed: Only valid votes will be counted. Votes must be stand-alone posts, in bold, and colored blue. Casing does not matter, nor does punctuation. Any vote that does not follow this format is INVALID. example: Vote Skydog Unvoting is similar. Unvotes must be stand-alone posts, in bold, and colored red. Casing does not matter. Any unvote that does not follow this format is INVALID. example: Unvote Skydog A combination of an Unvote and a Vote is allowed, see the example: example: Unvote Skydog Vote Skydog Votes will be tallied at the end of a Day Phase. The player with the most number of votes will be lynched. In case of ties, there will be a specific tiebreaker. The first valid vote cast between the tied players (an unvoted vote does not count) will determine the player to be lynched. example: A votes for C B votes for D A unvotes C A votes for D A unvotes D A votes for C D and C are tied. A cast the first vote, however, he unvoted, which means B's vote is the deciding vote. D is thus lynched. You may NOT vote for a No Lynch.

10-01-2007, 12:53 PM	#149
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	VOTE PURDUEBRAD

10-01-2007, 12:54 PM	#150
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Just fixing my vote.

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