Werewolf LXIII - Fall of the Elementals (Game Over - Avatars Win!) - Page 8

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:11 PM

Dola, and if I'd had an actual day action, I probably wouldn't have had any confusion about it.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Wasn't Lathum scanned last night as well? Wouldn't this be that answer?

I'm not sure I was scanned. Someone was in my room. It could possibly have been Schmidty.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Wasn't Lathum scanned last night as well? Wouldn't this be that answer?

Well that's what I was hoping he'd just say, since there isn't a good reason to not just say a scan result since it's 1-time use.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 03:42 PM

Vote Hoopsguy

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 03:49 PM

well I believe there is only one person who hasn't checked in today at all correct and that is Saldana?

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:03 PM

Correct, although we got very little commentary from Jonathan Ezarik in his one post.

OK, time to go post-hunting.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:10 PM

OK, here is some early speculation on what took place last night:

Barkeep - ???
Hoops - spied on SnDvls with Ethereal servant, was viewed
Clap - ???
Path - powers altered - by Jonathan (best guess)
Jonathan - potentially altered Path's powers
Saldana - ???
Lathum - visited/viewed by Schmidty? (pretty likely)
Swaggs - potentially visited/viewed me (gut based on his question earlier)
Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls (confirmed by my view on SnDvls)
JEHeinz - ???
Schmidty - potentially visited/viewed Lathum
MrW - ???
SnDvls - targeted Cronin with powers alteration

That leaves Barkeep, Clap, Saldana, JEHeinz, and MrW as the people that I have very little info - lack of info is generally a bad sign, from where I sit. It means they have a better chance to be a killer.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:12 PM

Cronin or Path - can you guys comment, without giving away info you feel is important to safeguard, on what happened when your powers were altered? Was it a block, a redirect, or something else entirely?

SnDvls or Jonathan, if you guys know how this will impact your target I would love to get some clarification. I'm trying to see if there is reason to clear these people from being the killer last night.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 04:13 PM

Hoops, I think in general you've made a good plan of attack, but it doesn't account for the 1-time use factor "unique" to this game. I like my Squiddish power, but for me to use it last night would have been incomprehensibly lame.

I know that far from clears me, but I think using this list to off someone seems like a bad idea.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:16 PM

One more note - I'm working with the assumption that we had three villagers in the cross-fire last night. I know my allegiance, we all know Passacaglia's at this point, and based on my view of SnDvls last night have him in an elevated (but not full) trust position.

I recognize that others may not view it this way and that is fine.

If I was playing as a wolf/avatar I would have had very little incentive to switch votes around late last night between Pass and SnDvls. The only scenario that makes sense with me as a wolf is the one that Lathum is using, that I'm wolf teammates with SnDvls. But if you re-read how yesterday went down you would have to conclude that I was extremely confident in my ability to pull off the right lynch when there was a good amount of uncertainty between candidates.

If you accept that I'm not a wolf, then you should take what I have to say about SnDvls as what I believe to be true.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin or Path - can you guys comment, without giving away info you feel is important to safeguard, on what happened when your powers were altered? Was it a block, a redirect, or something else entirely?

SnDvls or Jonathan, if you guys know how this will impact your target I would love to get some clarification. I'm trying to see if there is reason to clear these people from being the killer last night.

I honestly have no idea what it did besided altering his powers. there is no way I could clear or damn him.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Hoops, I think in general you've made a good plan of attack, but it doesn't account for the 1-time use factor "unique" to this game. I like my Squiddish power, but for me to use it last night would have been incomprehensibly lame.

I know that far from clears me, but I think using this list to off someone seems like a bad idea.

JE, I get that. But it acts as a starting point for me to try and evaluate candidates. I'm willing to listen to other plans of attack if people have them. I'm going to be a hard sell on voting records from yesterday, based on what I typed up in my last post.

We're far enough along in the day that we need to get some kind of voting discussion going. So please jump in and help me with alternate ideas if I'm taking a bad tack.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 04:18 PM

getting ready to head home....no info is not a good thing in my mind so placing my vote now and hopefully we'll get more info....or just some info to change this

Vote Saldana

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:20 PM

SnDvls, what I'm worried about is that a power redirect could have pushed a kill from "Target A" to "random player", for example.

I don't want to give clearance to someone who shouldn't have it, thus the questions on the mechanic.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:24 PM

Getting to the point where we have enough votes to bother tracking. Votes as of Post #364:

Cronin - Barkeep (270)
Lathum - JEHeinz (333)
Hoops - Lathum (354)
Saldana - SnDvls (363)

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, what I'm worried about is that a power redirect could have pushed a kill from "Target A" to "random player", for example.

I don't want to give clearance to someone who shouldn't have it, thus the questions on the mechanic.

I'm sure there probally is a duke like power in this game, what chance of St. C getting it or having it I don't know, only he can answer that.

it clearly said I changed his power though.

you also have to take into account that the power and the symbol have to match up to use a power. Heck for all I know it could have just changed it from night to day.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 04:26 PM

Frankly, the redirected kill theory makes more sense to me given our moderator's comments about last night looking like a crazy night. Because nothing looks all that crazy in my guesswork above.

It isn't meta-gaming if our moderator posts it in the thread, right?

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

getting ready to head home....no info is not a good thing in my mind so placing my vote now and hopefully we'll get more info....or just some info to change this

Vote Saldana

This is weak IMO.

I would be far more suspicous of someone who has checked in with no info then someone who may have gotten caught up in a busy work day.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This is weak IMO.

I would be far more suspicous of someone who has checked in with no info then someone who may have gotten caught up in a busy work day.

I look at people who don't/can't/aren't contributing less than those that do...sorry if you don't like it it's how I play

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 04:33 PM

I think ypu should at least give him a chance to check in.

Coffee Warlord · 12-13-2007, 04:38 PM

Out for the evening, till prolly around 11pm tonight. Deadline is still firm at 9pm.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 04:54 PM

I'm outta here. I'm sticking on Lathum. See ya in the AM folks.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, what I'm worried about is that a power redirect could have pushed a kill from "Target A" to "random player", for example.

I don't want to give clearance to someone who shouldn't have it, thus the questions on the mechanic.

thats an awfully random guess at a power there.....

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 04:56 PM

I did nothing and (to my knowledge) experienced nothing last night.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If I was playing as a wolf/avatar I would have had very little incentive to switch votes around late last night between Pass and SnDvls. The only scenario that makes sense with me as a wolf is the one that Lathum is using, that I'm wolf teammates with SnDvls. But if you re-read how yesterday went down you would have to conclude that I was extremely confident in my ability to pull off the right lynch when there was a good amount of uncertainty between candidates.

There's so much metagaming that goes on, I'm not sure I would completely trust an assertion that you have little incentive as an avatar to change votes between two elementals. It could be an inspired play to try to gain trust. I'm not trying to argue it this way, I'm just saying that nothing gets a free pass from me (nothing).

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 04:58 PM

I havent said anything cuz i have nothign to say, my squid power is essentially uselss! I tend to agree with what hoops is doing, very analytical (the accountant in me appreciates that) but im not seeing his conclusions. Ill actually have a chance to read over tonight and see whats goign on

and say more later!

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

thats an awfully random guess at a power there.....

clap, I have no idea how it worked, which is why I asked the question.

People may not be interested in revealing that information publicly, which is why I explained my thought process on asking for the info.

I've come up with much more convoluted ideas than that (modify power = redirect as opposed to negate) in previous werewolf games.

Schmidty · 12-13-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Vote Hoopsguy

Ok, well, since you're the only one I can trust:

Vore hoopsguy

Schmidty · 12-13-2007, 05:08 PM

Dola.

And yes, I did spy on Lathum last night, and was given the STRONG impression that he was good. I also saw what power he was using.

path12 · 12-13-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, here is some early speculation on what took place last night:

Barkeep - ???
Hoops - spied on SnDvls with Ethereal servant, was viewed
Clap - ???
Path - powers altered - by Jonathan (best guess)
Jonathan - potentially altered Path's powers
Saldana - ???
Lathum - visited/viewed by Schmidty? (pretty likely)
Swaggs - potentially visited/viewed me (gut based on his question earlier)
Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls (confirmed by my view on SnDvls)
JEHeinz - ???
Schmidty - potentially visited/viewed Lathum
MrW - ???
SnDvls - targeted Cronin with powers alteration

That leaves Barkeep, Clap, Saldana, JEHeinz, and MrW as the people that I have very little info - lack of info is generally a bad sign, from where I sit. It means they have a better chance to be a killer.

Why do you think it's likely that Jonathan was the one that visited me? I didn't get anything from his post....

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 05:10 PM

Path, because he said he had the same power that SnDvls has.

saldana · 12-13-2007, 05:10 PM

ok, first, sorry for not being around all day...i normally would have been able to pley a bit during my lunch break, but being a clinical logistics manager during a snow and ice storm creates some free time issue, and lunch was unceremoniously cancelled by one of my clients today

that said, somthing happened to me last night...i was the object of an unidentifiable force....i didnt have a vision such as the one that hoops sent, but something was definitely directed against me last night.

i dont know if that means i was scanned, or something else

as far as today goes, i brought it up yesterday, and it was basically ignored, but i will bring it up again today, and hope someone gives a crap about what i have to say

Swaggs jumped in yesterday when the vote was already narrowing itself down, threw in a completely random vote for a brand new person, essentially making his vote worthless, and then jumped back out.

even though i called him out about it, he never defended it then or at any point since then...i know that it was day one, and random hit and run votes happen all the time, but this wasnt a 10 am vote...other than the shuffling that took place late, it was one of the last votes cast...his vote was needed to help decide the result of the day, and he went with a throwaway instead.

to me, that reeks

i should be in the rest of the night, btw

vote swaggs

path12 · 12-13-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin or Path - can you guys comment, without giving away info you feel is important to safeguard, on what happened when your powers were altered? Was it a block, a redirect, or something else entirely?

SnDvls or Jonathan, if you guys know how this will impact your target I would love to get some clarification. I'm trying to see if there is reason to clear these people from being the killer last night.

What I know is this: I was invaded by another magic. I lost a power I originally had and got a substitute (and weaker) power in return. That's about all I want to say about it at this point.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola.

And yes, I did spy on Lathum last night, and was given the STRONG impression that he was good. I also saw what power he was using.

Wish you had looked at me if that is your logic.

Did you use an Ethereal Servant to do the spying or did you have another means of doing so? If you had a servant like I did then maybe we can discuss him a little bit to build some mutual trust?

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

What I know is this: I was invaded by another magic. I lost a power I originally had and got a substitute (and weaker) power in return. That's about all I want to say about it at this point.

That is helpful. Cronin, can you confirm that the same thing happened to you?

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Wish you had looked at me if that is your logic.

Did you use an Ethereal Servant to do the spying or did you have another means of doing so? If you had a servant like I did then maybe we can discuss him a little bit to build some mutual trust?

hopefuly somoen can! you have a couple peple you trust (sundveli, ?) and if someone could clear hopps then we would have a COT!

path12 · 12-13-2007, 05:23 PM

I also will say that I tried to scan hoops last night, but apparently the attack on me caused that to fail, for I got no reading.

saldana · 12-13-2007, 05:29 PM

why do i bother to post.

people complain and consider it suspicious when i dont post, but then when i do, everone ignores it

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 05:32 PM

Interesting, I know someone performed a ritual on me last night. I had assumed it was Swaggs.

Saldana, I've been discounting Swaggs a little bit because I thought he was the one who performed a ritual on me. Do you think that the vote last night is a better area of exploration than anything coming out of today? Also, were you arguing last night for me not to vote for SnDvls or not to have a tie? Because at the end when I moved my vote it wasn't tied. So I'm interested in understanding exactly what position had you so frustrated with me at the end of last night.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

why do i bother to post.

people complain and consider it suspicious when i dont post, but then when i do, everone ignores it

calm down honey.

I was just about to ask you if you think Swaggs was trying to protect someone and if so who?

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

getting ready to head home....no info is not a good thing in my mind so placing my vote now and hopefully we'll get more info....or just some info to change this

Vote Saldana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think ypu should at least give him a chance to check in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

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did you miss something?

back at you

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 05:41 PM

unvote Saldana

in light of his showing up

Schmidty · 12-13-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Wish you had looked at me if that is your logic.

Did you use an Ethereal Servant to do the spying or did you have another means of doing so? If you had a servant like I did then maybe we can discuss him a little bit to build some mutual trust?

I can honestly say that I don't know what an Ethereal Spirit is, so I guess. My abilities are based upon what the daily sign is (i.e. Yak, Squid, etc.). Yesterday was Squid, which allowed me to see everything a person did at night.

If that makes you trust me, awesome (if you're good). If not, oh well. I don't know what else to say.

saldana · 12-13-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Interesting, I know someone performed a ritual on me last night. I had assumed it was Swaggs.

Saldana, I've been discounting Swaggs a little bit because I thought he was the one who performed a ritual on me. Do you think that the vote last night is a better area of exploration than anything coming out of today? Also, were you arguing last night for me not to vote for SnDvls or not to have a tie? Because at the end when I moved my vote it wasn't tied. So I'm interested in understanding exactly what position had you so frustrated with me at the end of last night.

i am very suspicious of swaggs...i want to know why he didnt make a vote that helped at all...his vote was needed, it was past the time to be introducing new people or making throwaways.

as far as other things today, i cant imagine that you and sndvls would align yourselves together in such an exposed way this early in the game...neither of you will get my vote today.

as far as yesterday, i said a number of times i didnt like either candidate...the reason i was on you about your vote was because you were basing it on something that i knew was flawed (the 2/2 theory). i didnt really want to release my power information, so the fact that you kept pushing that as your reasoning, i was a bit ticked off that i gave you what you wanted and you almost left your vote up.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 05:47 PM

I like the swaggs vote

I won't be voting hoops and I think Lathum is just very confused

saldana · 12-13-2007, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

calm down honey.

I was just about to ask you if you think Swaggs was trying to protect someone and if so who?

it doesnt look like it since sndvls is more or less in the clear

i think he was just trying to hide.

saldana · 12-13-2007, 06:03 PM

sorry about the triplicate posts...board is acting up

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 06:07 PM

vote Swaggs

have to take the little one to dance class, hopefully I'll be back before deadline.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 06:38 PM

Votes as of Post #400. Will post more when my kid has crashed for the night.

Hoops - Lathum (354), Schmidty (378)
Swaggs - Saldana (382), SnDvls (400)
Cronin - Barkeep (270)
Lathum - JEHeinz (333)

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 06:44 PM

i gotta vote somewhere and heinz is way smarter than me so

vote lathum

12-13-2007, 03:11 PM	#351
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Dola, and if I'd had an actual day action, I probably wouldn't have had any confusion about it. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 04:56 PM	#374
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I did nothing and (to my knowledge) experienced nothing last night. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 04:58 PM	#376
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I havent said anything cuz i have nothign to say, my squid power is essentially uselss! I tend to agree with what hoops is doing, very analytical (the accountant in me appreciates that) but im not seeing his conclusions. Ill actually have a chance to read over tonight and see whats goign on and say more later! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 05:23 PM	#387
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I also will say that I tried to scan hoops last night, but apparently the attack on me caused that to fail, for I got no reading. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-13-2007, 06:44 PM	#400
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	i gotta vote somewhere and heinz is way smarter than me so vote lathum __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 03:42 PM	#354
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote Hoopsguy

12-13-2007, 03:49 PM	#355
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	well I believe there is only one person who hasn't checked in today at all correct and that is Saldana?

12-13-2007, 04:03 PM	#356
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Correct, although we got very little commentary from Jonathan Ezarik in his one post. OK, time to go post-hunting.

12-13-2007, 04:10 PM	#357
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, here is some early speculation on what took place last night: Barkeep - ??? Hoops - spied on SnDvls with Ethereal servant, was viewed Clap - ??? Path - powers altered - by Jonathan (best guess) Jonathan - potentially altered Path's powers Saldana - ??? Lathum - visited/viewed by Schmidty? (pretty likely) Swaggs - potentially visited/viewed me (gut based on his question earlier) Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls (confirmed by my view on SnDvls) JEHeinz - ??? Schmidty - potentially visited/viewed Lathum MrW - ??? SnDvls - targeted Cronin with powers alteration That leaves Barkeep, Clap, Saldana, JEHeinz, and MrW as the people that I have very little info - lack of info is generally a bad sign, from where I sit. It means they have a better chance to be a killer.

12-13-2007, 04:12 PM	#358
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin or Path - can you guys comment, without giving away info you feel is important to safeguard, on what happened when your powers were altered? Was it a block, a redirect, or something else entirely? SnDvls or Jonathan, if you guys know how this will impact your target I would love to get some clarification. I'm trying to see if there is reason to clear these people from being the killer last night.

12-13-2007, 04:13 PM	#359
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Hoops, I think in general you've made a good plan of attack, but it doesn't account for the 1-time use factor "unique" to this game. I like my Squiddish power, but for me to use it last night would have been incomprehensibly lame. I know that far from clears me, but I think using this list to off someone seems like a bad idea.

12-13-2007, 04:16 PM	#360
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	One more note - I'm working with the assumption that we had three villagers in the cross-fire last night. I know my allegiance, we all know Passacaglia's at this point, and based on my view of SnDvls last night have him in an elevated (but not full) trust position. I recognize that others may not view it this way and that is fine. If I was playing as a wolf/avatar I would have had very little incentive to switch votes around late last night between Pass and SnDvls. The only scenario that makes sense with me as a wolf is the one that Lathum is using, that I'm wolf teammates with SnDvls. But if you re-read how yesterday went down you would have to conclude that I was extremely confident in my ability to pull off the right lynch when there was a good amount of uncertainty between candidates. If you accept that I'm not a wolf, then you should take what I have to say about SnDvls as what I believe to be true.

12-13-2007, 04:18 PM	#363
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	getting ready to head home....no info is not a good thing in my mind so placing my vote now and hopefully we'll get more info....or just some info to change this Vote Saldana

12-13-2007, 04:20 PM	#364
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, what I'm worried about is that a power redirect could have pushed a kill from "Target A" to "random player", for example. I don't want to give clearance to someone who shouldn't have it, thus the questions on the mechanic.

12-13-2007, 04:24 PM	#365
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Getting to the point where we have enough votes to bother tracking. Votes as of Post #364: Cronin - Barkeep (270) Lathum - JEHeinz (333) Hoops - Lathum (354) Saldana - SnDvls (363)

12-13-2007, 04:26 PM	#367
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Frankly, the redirected kill theory makes more sense to me given our moderator's comments about last night looking like a crazy night. Because nothing looks all that crazy in my guesswork above. It isn't meta-gaming if our moderator posts it in the thread, right?

12-13-2007, 04:33 PM	#370
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think ypu should at least give him a chance to check in.

12-13-2007, 04:38 PM	#371
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Out for the evening, till prolly around 11pm tonight. Deadline is still firm at 9pm.

12-13-2007, 04:54 PM	#372
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm outta here. I'm sticking on Lathum. See ya in the AM folks.

12-13-2007, 05:08 PM	#379
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Dola. And yes, I did spy on Lathum last night, and was given the STRONG impression that he was good. I also saw what power he was using.

12-13-2007, 05:10 PM	#381
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, because he said he had the same power that SnDvls has.

12-13-2007, 05:10 PM	#382
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	ok, first, sorry for not being around all day...i normally would have been able to pley a bit during my lunch break, but being a clinical logistics manager during a snow and ice storm creates some free time issue, and lunch was unceremoniously cancelled by one of my clients today that said, somthing happened to me last night...i was the object of an unidentifiable force....i didnt have a vision such as the one that hoops sent, but something was definitely directed against me last night. i dont know if that means i was scanned, or something else as far as today goes, i brought it up yesterday, and it was basically ignored, but i will bring it up again today, and hope someone gives a crap about what i have to say Swaggs jumped in yesterday when the vote was already narrowing itself down, threw in a completely random vote for a brand new person, essentially making his vote worthless, and then jumped back out. even though i called him out about it, he never defended it then or at any point since then...i know that it was day one, and random hit and run votes happen all the time, but this wasnt a 10 am vote...other than the shuffling that took place late, it was one of the last votes cast...his vote was needed to help decide the result of the day, and he went with a throwaway instead. to me, that reeks i should be in the rest of the night, btw vote swaggs

12-13-2007, 05:29 PM	#388
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	why do i bother to post. people complain and consider it suspicious when i dont post, but then when i do, everone ignores it

12-13-2007, 05:32 PM	#389
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Interesting, I know someone performed a ritual on me last night. I had assumed it was Swaggs. Saldana, I've been discounting Swaggs a little bit because I thought he was the one who performed a ritual on me. Do you think that the vote last night is a better area of exploration than anything coming out of today? Also, were you arguing last night for me not to vote for SnDvls or not to have a tie? Because at the end when I moved my vote it wasn't tied. So I'm interested in understanding exactly what position had you so frustrated with me at the end of last night.

12-13-2007, 05:41 PM	#392
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	unvote Saldana in light of his showing up

12-13-2007, 05:47 PM	#395
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I like the swaggs vote I won't be voting hoops and I think Lathum is just very confused

12-13-2007, 06:03 PM	#397
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	sorry about the triplicate posts...board is acting up

12-13-2007, 06:07 PM	#398
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	vote Swaggs have to take the little one to dance class, hopefully I'll be back before deadline.

12-13-2007, 06:38 PM	#399
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #400. Will post more when my kid has crashed for the night. Hoops - Lathum (354), Schmidty (378) Swaggs - Saldana (382), SnDvls (400) Cronin - Barkeep (270) Lathum - JEHeinz (333)

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