Sons of Anarchy Discussion

DeToxRox · 09-03-2008, 01:42 PM

Tonight at 10, FX's new show that hopefully replaces the Shield for me, about a biker gang in California. Previews look good, and reviews of the first two episodes sound intriguing. I am very excited to see it, though it's funny HBO has their own biker show, 1% also coming out soon. Hopefully both work because I need some violence in my life.

So who else is planning on watching?

Anthony · 09-03-2008, 01:44 PM

i plan on watching.

if HBO is gonna have a biker show that might wind up being better than SoA, only due to being able to have an R-rated show for mature audiences. i actually might have to look into 1% since i prefer unfiltered violence.

sabotai · 09-03-2008, 02:03 PM

I'll probably TiVo is and give it a watch, but I don't have high hopes for it.

DeToxRox · 09-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Thought it was good. Shows a lot of promise. A nice little Shield reference as the One Niners are featured briefly.

Looks like Dutch from the Shield will also be on the show eventually too.

sabotai · 09-03-2008, 10:48 PM

Is it going to be a crossover, or a different "universe"?

DeToxRox · 09-03-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Is it going to be a crossover, or a different "universe"?

Different universe. He played an ATF agent. The show has potential. A couple characters really intrigue me, but there are one or two that annoy me. I'll stick it out for the season I think, but so far so good.

SFL Cat · 09-03-2008, 11:02 PM

*yawn*

sabotai · 09-03-2008, 11:07 PM

Repeats to himself: "Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls."

SFL Cat · 09-03-2008, 11:10 PM

Nothing new here that hasn't been done (and done much better) in previous badboy-biker films. No compelling characters. So, yeah...*yawn* The commercials promised more than was delivered.

My opinion, take it or leave it.

DeToxRox · 09-04-2008, 12:37 AM

As far as SFL goes, I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is some potential there down the line to stick with it for the time being. It's still entertaining for what it is, and there is some decent brutality mixed in.

Karlifornia · 09-04-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

As far as SFL goes, I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is some potential there down the line to stick with it for the time being. It's still entertaining for what it is, and there is some decent brutality mixed in.

Dude, Always Sunny starts back up September 18th, and I will go to war with you defending that show....I was late to the party..but it is seriously the funniest sit-com I've ever seen, and I'm a huge Seinfeld fan (I realize that Seinfeld invective will turn off some people...to them I say: You people are the scourge of America)

DeToxRox · 09-04-2008, 01:59 AM

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Dude, Always Sunny starts back up September 18th, and I will go to war with you defending that show....I was late to the party..but it is seriously the funniest sit-com I've ever seen, and I'm a huge Seinfeld fan (I realize that Seinfeld invective will turn off some people...to them I say: You people are the scourge of America)

Oh God yes. Season 3 is out soon on DVD, can't fucking wait. DeVito added so much to that show too, I love it.

DeToxRox · 09-18-2008, 12:18 PM

Three episodes in and honestly I like how the show is playing out. It is a fun hour of TV every week, and I like the fact that these guys are almost like Vic Mackey from the Shield, where they are obviously in the wrong, but still do things that are right.

Plus, speaking of the Shield, Jay Karnes, aka Dutch from the Shield, debuted on the show, and just like on the Shield he is totally creepy but man he fucking rules.

Things seem to be heating up.

DaddyTorgo · 09-18-2008, 01:05 PM

it's interesting. i tivo it, but i can't say i always watch it right away - but it's not BAD or anything. i also enjoy the fact that they're dirtbags but they do some things that are "good" -- aka they're huge gun-runners, but they also tracked down a rapist who raped a 13 year old girl in the most recent episode because they were like "that kinda shit doesn't go down in our town."

honestly the stuff that bores me the most (to the point i FF through it) is all the rest of it -- the stuff with the junky baby-mama, and Jax's whole like "digging through my dad's stuff and having a personal reflective moment each week" bullshit. The whole Jax internal-struggle is clearly supposed to be the overarching character-arc of the show though, so the fact that i find it trite is kind of worrisome.

Anthony · 09-18-2008, 01:20 PM

Giada is in this show......?????!??

DaddyTorgo · 09-18-2008, 01:36 PM

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Giada is in this show......?????!??

no sorry my bad. editing. whatever-her-name-is...dunno why that popped into my head.

the GF from the sopranos -- drea de matteo

bryce · 09-19-2008, 08:23 AM

I watched the pilot, but when it came around to week 2, I consciously skipped it. It just didn't do it for me. I, too, was hoping it would replace The Shield for me. FX had another one like that a year or two ago, Thief, or something like that, but it got canned after about a month, and that was one I WAS on board with, argh.

DaddyTorgo · 09-19-2008, 08:35 AM

Thief was pretty cool - and it had Andre Braugher so it was doubly-cool

DeToxRox · 10-23-2008, 04:30 PM

FYI this got picked up for a second season as apparently it's one of FX's highest rated shows.

It's hitting a stride now. Very violent stuff at times, and some good stories. I still hate the Jax/kid stuff. Too slow for my liking, but honestly this is a fun show to DVR and watch when ya' got nothing else going on.

DeToxRox · 10-23-2008, 04:30 PM

Also, for Shield fans, Jay Karnes, who plays Dutch, is on here as an ATF Agent who is a total whackjob. He has made the show for me.

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Also, for Shield fans, Jay Karnes, who plays Dutch, is on here as an ATF Agent who is a total whackjob. He has made the show for me.

whoops. how'd that work out for you

Spoiler

DeToxRox · 10-23-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

whoops. how'd that work out for you

Spoiler

haha yeah, I knew it, I just didn't wanna spoil it for people who might be curious. That was an awesome scene though.

He basically acted like Dutch hinted at being like at times.

DeToxRox · 11-19-2008, 10:03 PM

It's been a slow build but tonight was a great episode. Really intense stuff at the end. All I know is the finale should be good, and I am intrigued for next season.

DaddyTorgo · 11-20-2008, 12:01 AM

i agree detox

Scoobz0202 · 11-20-2008, 01:14 AM

Yea. I've been a fan all season and tonight was just.. Wow.

FX, huh?

MrBug708 · 11-26-2008, 10:32 PM

Great series IMO. Opie is Bertier from Remember the Titans

DeToxRox · 11-27-2008, 02:01 AM

This show has picked up all kinds of steam. It needed a few weeks to find it's groove but wow has it hit a stride. Too bad the season is over with now, but I cannot wait to see where it goes from here.

Glengoyne · 11-27-2008, 10:58 AM

I wasn't all that excited early in the season, and missed several episodes throughout. These last four or five weeks have really built into something though. I was hoping for more fireworks last night, but it looks like next season is going to start off with a full head of steam.

BishopMVP · 11-28-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I wasn't all that excited early in the season, and missed several episodes throughout. These last four or five weeks have really built into something though. I was hoping for more fireworks last night, but it looks like next season is going to start off with a full head of steam.

WTF is Jax thinking?

Spoiler

You either play that card or you don't. You don't create mortal enemies out of a stone-cold killer you hang out with every day and then let him keep hanging around. (And clearly Jax will beat him - they're not gonna kill Jax - he's the center of the show, so it's even more annoying, just dragging out how it's done eventually.)

MrBug708 · 11-28-2008, 11:25 PM

I dunno, does he have any concrete proof of it?

DeToxRox · 11-29-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

WTF is Jax thinking?

Spoiler

You either play that card or you don't. You don't create mortal enemies out of a stone-cold killer you hang out with every day and then let him keep hanging around. (And clearly Jax will beat him - they're not gonna kill Jax - he's the center of the show, so it's even more annoying, just dragging out how it's done eventually.)

I feel like he knows but with no proof to show the club he can't do it so he sent a message as if to say "I'm coming, so watch yourself".

First fuck up next year I suspect will result in a body or two.

BishopMVP · 09-25-2009, 05:23 PM

(SPOILER ALERT S2Ep3)

First couple episodes were good, season opener especially. But I'm not happy with turning Deputy Hale into such a heel. It was much better when he was trying to do his job the right way. People were still rooting for the SoA obviously as the anti-heroes, but at least you were conflicted about Hale just going about his job. Plus it felt out of character.

DeToxRox · 09-25-2009, 05:30 PM

This show got really good around mid way last season and is just rolling now. I love it.

Scoobz0202 · 09-25-2009, 05:47 PM

I haven't seen the third episode of season two yet, but I thought the second episode was very lackluster. I am still hooked though, because I just reminded myself that season one started off slow and by seasons end I was fucking loving this damn show.

thesloppy · 09-25-2009, 06:02 PM

Does anybody here besides me do a "jax walk"? Just roll your shoulders forward and kind of dip each shoulder with ultra-conviction, on each step. Chicks dig it. Especially doctors.

Scoobz0202 · 09-25-2009, 06:05 PM

No, but one of my best friends is naming his first born son who is due in a few months Jackson.

Why does that have anything to do with this you may ask?

So he can call him Jax....

I'm not kidding.

Scoobz0202 · 11-12-2009, 01:58 PM

Yep.

Same thing, for me, as last season. Starts off slow (but still good), and just gradually picks up steam until this weeks episode where at the end it has me squirming with anticipation for next week.

DeToxRox · 11-12-2009, 02:04 PM

This show has REALLY hit a stride. Sucks only two eps left in the season, but the finale is 90 min at least.

mh2365 · 11-13-2009, 02:18 PM

fantastic episode last Tuesday night

thesloppy · 11-13-2009, 02:26 PM

I appear to be in the tiny minority that has just about had it with this show. Could it be a little more rapey?

mh2365 · 11-14-2009, 03:37 PM

yeah they could add Kobe Bryant to the cast

DaddyTorgo · 11-17-2009, 11:47 PM

holy fuck. hell of an episode this week.

DataKing · 11-18-2009, 10:42 AM

Been digging this show since it began last year...very cool. Katey Sagal has to be one of the most under-rated actresses out there right now.

DaddyTorgo · 11-18-2009, 10:45 AM

i wanted some fucking payoff for Opie though. Goddamnit.

DataKing · 11-18-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i wanted some fucking payoff for Opie though. Goddamnit.

He's banging a porn star now...isn't that enough?

DaddyTorgo · 11-18-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

He's banging a porn star now...isn't that enough?

haha - i liked the tease that we got of her the other episode.

nah...i wanted him and Jax to fuck up Clay & douchebag-guy (forget his name)

Scoobz0202 · 11-18-2009, 01:32 PM

I really liked last nights episode but I do think they took the easy way out on some things. There was a lot of build up where I felt like the end result was a let down with Piney, Opie, and Chibs. At least that is how I felt last night when I intially watched it.

But I do think Opie's storyline is not complete. I had forgotten about Jax and Opie in the bedroom at the clubhouse, and I feel Jax will help Opie get his revenge by the time it is all said and done.

DaddyTorgo · 11-18-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

I really liked last nights episode but I do think they took the easy way out on some things. There was a lot of build up where I felt like the end result was a let down with Piney, Opie, and Chibs. At least that is how I felt last night when I intially watched it.

But I do think Opie's storyline is not complete. I had forgotten about Jax and Opie in the bedroom at the clubhouse, and I feel Jax will help Opie get his revenge by the time it is all said and done.

I agree though, a lot of "easy way out" it seemed. hopefully some of that comes to a head in the season finale.

i foresee them either getting rid of ATF or the Nazis at the end of the season so that next season will be more about the internal dynamics and repercussions on the Sons and Jax and his old Lady etc. up until a new external threat is introduced either near the end or in the season finale.

That's the thing F/X does so well with these shows (Shield, SoA) - balancing and alternating the internal conflict of the group (Strikeforce, SoA) and those stories versus the external.

BishopMVP · 11-18-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I agree though, a lot of "easy way out" it seemed. hopefully some of that comes to a head in the season finale.

i foresee them either getting rid of ATF or the Nazis at the end of the season so that next season will be more about the internal dynamics and repercussions on the Sons and Jax and his old Lady etc. up until a new external threat is introduced either near the end or in the season finale.

That's the thing F/X does so well with these shows (Shield, SoA) - balancing and alternating the internal conflict of the group (Strikeforce, SoA) and those stories versus the external.

I thought next week was the season finale, but I guess there are 2 episodes left (including the 90-minute finale). And after all that happened last episode I'm sure some of what look like taking the "easy ways out" will actually be more like a 1-week reprieve before shit goes down. I mean, last season with 2 episodes left Stahl hadn't even set up Opie as the rat and within 2 hours he was set up, the club seemingly took his word for it, then Clay/Tig killed Donna.

Also, while we're obviously rooting against the scar guy from Braveheart/Gladiator being a rat, Clay's promise of protecting his wife/daughter is so laughable it's ballsy. I mean, 2 of the 5 "old ladies" we've seen have been killed (although I guess you killed one), and another (your wife) was gang-raped - all in your town, all in the last 6? months. You're really going to promise to protect a man's wife and daughter in Ireland?

DaddyTorgo · 11-18-2009, 08:37 PM

funny - that was exactly my thought about protecting the wife+daughter too bishop

09-03-2008, 01:44 PM	#2
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i plan on watching. if HBO is gonna have a biker show that might wind up being better than SoA, only due to being able to have an R-rated show for mature audiences. i actually might have to look into 1% since i prefer unfiltered violence. Last edited by Anthony : 09-03-2008 at 01:45 PM.

09-03-2008, 11:10 PM	#9
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	Nothing new here that hasn't been done (and done much better) in previous badboy-biker films. No compelling characters. So, yeah...yawn The commercials promised more than was delivered. My opinion, take it or leave it. Last edited by SFL Cat : 09-03-2008 at 11:11 PM.

09-18-2008, 01:05 PM	#14
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	it's interesting. i tivo it, but i can't say i always watch it right away - but it's not BAD or anything. i also enjoy the fact that they're dirtbags but they do some things that are "good" -- aka they're huge gun-runners, but they also tracked down a rapist who raped a 13 year old girl in the most recent episode because they were like "that kinda shit doesn't go down in our town." honestly the stuff that bores me the most (to the point i FF through it) is all the rest of it -- the stuff with the junky baby-mama, and Jax's whole like "digging through my dad's stuff and having a personal reflective moment each week" bullshit. The whole Jax internal-struggle is clearly supposed to be the overarching character-arc of the show though, so the fact that i find it trite is kind of worrisome. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 09-18-2008 at 01:36 PM.

11-20-2008, 12:01 AM	#24
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i agree detox __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

09-25-2009, 06:05 PM	#36
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	No, but one of my best friends is naming his first born son who is due in a few months Jackson. Why does that have anything to do with this you may ask? So he can call him Jax.... I'm not kidding. Last edited by Scoobz0202 : 09-25-2009 at 06:05 PM.

09-03-2008, 02:03 PM	#3
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I'll probably TiVo is and give it a watch, but I don't have high hopes for it.

09-03-2008, 10:42 PM	#4
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Thought it was good. Shows a lot of promise. A nice little Shield reference as the One Niners are featured briefly. Looks like Dutch from the Shield will also be on the show eventually too.

09-03-2008, 10:48 PM	#5
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Is it going to be a crossover, or a different "universe"?

09-03-2008, 11:02 PM	#7
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	yawn

09-03-2008, 11:07 PM	#8
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Repeats to himself: "Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the trolls."

09-04-2008, 12:37 AM	#10
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	As far as SFL goes, I can see where he is coming from, but I think there is some potential there down the line to stick with it for the time being. It's still entertaining for what it is, and there is some decent brutality mixed in.

09-18-2008, 12:18 PM	#13
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Three episodes in and honestly I like how the show is playing out. It is a fun hour of TV every week, and I like the fact that these guys are almost like Vic Mackey from the Shield, where they are obviously in the wrong, but still do things that are right. Plus, speaking of the Shield, Jay Karnes, aka Dutch from the Shield, debuted on the show, and just like on the Shield he is totally creepy but man he fucking rules. Things seem to be heating up.

09-18-2008, 01:20 PM	#15
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	Giada is in this show......?????!??

09-19-2008, 08:23 AM	#17
bryce High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dallas, TX	I watched the pilot, but when it came around to week 2, I consciously skipped it. It just didn't do it for me. I, too, was hoping it would replace The Shield for me. FX had another one like that a year or two ago, Thief, or something like that, but it got canned after about a month, and that was one I WAS on board with, argh.

09-19-2008, 08:35 AM	#18
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Thief was pretty cool - and it had Andre Braugher so it was doubly-cool

10-23-2008, 04:30 PM	#19
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	FYI this got picked up for a second season as apparently it's one of FX's highest rated shows. It's hitting a stride now. Very violent stuff at times, and some good stories. I still hate the Jax/kid stuff. Too slow for my liking, but honestly this is a fun show to DVR and watch when ya' got nothing else going on.

11-19-2008, 10:03 PM	#23
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	It's been a slow build but tonight was a great episode. Really intense stuff at the end. All I know is the finale should be good, and I am intrigued for next season.

11-20-2008, 01:14 AM	#25
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Yea. I've been a fan all season and tonight was just.. Wow. FX, huh?

11-26-2008, 10:32 PM	#26
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Great series IMO. Opie is Bertier from Remember the Titans

11-27-2008, 02:01 AM	#27
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	This show has picked up all kinds of steam. It needed a few weeks to find it's groove but wow has it hit a stride. Too bad the season is over with now, but I cannot wait to see where it goes from here.

11-27-2008, 10:58 AM	#28
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I wasn't all that excited early in the season, and missed several episodes throughout. These last four or five weeks have really built into something though. I was hoping for more fireworks last night, but it looks like next season is going to start off with a full head of steam.

11-28-2008, 11:25 PM	#30
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I dunno, does he have any concrete proof of it?

09-25-2009, 05:23 PM	#32
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	(SPOILER ALERT S2Ep3) First couple episodes were good, season opener especially. But I'm not happy with turning Deputy Hale into such a heel. It was much better when he was trying to do his job the right way. People were still rooting for the SoA obviously as the anti-heroes, but at least you were conflicted about Hale just going about his job. Plus it felt out of character.

09-25-2009, 05:30 PM	#33
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	This show got really good around mid way last season and is just rolling now. I love it.

09-25-2009, 05:47 PM	#34
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I haven't seen the third episode of season two yet, but I thought the second episode was very lackluster. I am still hooked though, because I just reminded myself that season one started off slow and by seasons end I was fucking loving this damn show.

09-25-2009, 06:02 PM	#35
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Does anybody here besides me do a "jax walk"? Just roll your shoulders forward and kind of dip each shoulder with ultra-conviction, on each step. Chicks dig it. Especially doctors.

11-12-2009, 01:58 PM	#37
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Yep. Same thing, for me, as last season. Starts off slow (but still good), and just gradually picks up steam until this weeks episode where at the end it has me squirming with anticipation for next week.

11-12-2009, 02:04 PM	#38
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	This show has REALLY hit a stride. Sucks only two eps left in the season, but the finale is 90 min at least.

11-13-2009, 02:18 PM	#39
mh2365 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: louisville	fantastic episode last Tuesday night __________________ "I'm the root of all that's evil, yeah but you can call me cookie"

11-13-2009, 02:26 PM	#40
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	I appear to be in the tiny minority that has just about had it with this show. Could it be a little more rapey?

11-14-2009, 03:37 PM	#41
mh2365 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: louisville	yeah they could add Kobe Bryant to the cast __________________ "I'm the root of all that's evil, yeah but you can call me cookie"

11-17-2009, 11:47 PM	#42
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	holy fuck. hell of an episode this week. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-18-2009, 10:42 AM	#43
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Been digging this show since it began last year...very cool. Katey Sagal has to be one of the most under-rated actresses out there right now. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

11-18-2009, 10:45 AM	#44
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i wanted some fucking payoff for Opie though. Goddamnit. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-18-2009, 01:32 PM	#47
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I really liked last nights episode but I do think they took the easy way out on some things. There was a lot of build up where I felt like the end result was a let down with Piney, Opie, and Chibs. At least that is how I felt last night when I intially watched it. But I do think Opie's storyline is not complete. I had forgotten about Jax and Opie in the bedroom at the clubhouse, and I feel Jax will help Opie get his revenge by the time it is all said and done.