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FOF 2K7: Finding the best team of alltime
Ok so my since getting Barry his ring my interest in carrying on my previous dynasty has wained. I have been frequenting pro-football-reference.com the last while and one of their articles gave me an idea. The article in question is one on a simple rating system (found here hxxp://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=37 ).
Basically the simple rating system doesn't care about wins and losses, only points and the points of the teams you played against, namely the point difference. So a 10-6 team that scored 128 more points than they allowed is a better team than a 12-4 team that only scored 80 more points than they allowed, maybe. Under the SRS the scores are normalized by the number of games played. So a score of 0 would be considered an average team. In our example the 10-6 team would have a score of 8 (so they would be expected to score 8 more points in a game than an average team) as opposed to 5 for the 12-4 team. Now to the maybe, when is 8 not greater than 5? When the quality of competition isn't there to back up the 8 and when it bolsters the 5. So basically the rating system takes into account how well you did, plus how well all of your opponants did. Lets take a real life example the 1999 St. Louis Rams. They scored 526 points and allowed only 242 for a difference 284, which normalizes to 17.8 per game, which is one of the largest totals in history. But the Rams like thee 72 Fish had a terribly easy schedule. Their opponants we so bad that their strength of schedule deducts 5.71 points per game. (Meaning that the average team would beat the teams they played against by an average of 5.71 points) so the Rams have to be discounted to a more modest but still quite good 12.0. If you're really interested in this I urge you to check out the link further up the page. Ok now to the dynasty. Using the SRS, excel a couple of macros and a couple of hours I have ranked everyteam from 1960-2006. Using these rankings we can find the best of, for each team and put them into FOF. So we're talking the 85 Bears vs 62 Packers vs 04 Texans kinda deal. What I'm not entirely sure of is if I want to run 1 season or run like 30 seasons. Anyways up next I will start going through all 32 teams. |
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09-20-2007, 03:59 PM
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Arizona Cardinals Overall Average -3.67 29th overall
Best 3 Seasons 1970 – 7.12 (8-5-1) 1984 – 5.53 (9-7) 1960 – 4.95 (6-5-1) 1970 The 1970 Cardinals were led by 5th year QB Jim Hart and RB MacArthur Lane on offense. Jim Hart’s main targets were deep threat John Gilliam who averaged 21.2 yards per reception and TE Jackie Smith. The Cardinal defense was led by two ball hawking players in Roger Wehrli and Larry Wilson. 1984 1984 was the last of 3 consecutive winning seasons for the Cardinals. This team was all about offense and the tandem of QB Neil Lomax and WR Roy Green had the offense near the top of the charts in all categories. Ottis Anderson anchoured a strong running attack and the 84 Cardinals could score with anybody. This was a good thing since the defense was near the bottom of the league and really limited the potential of this team. 1960 This is the first year for the Cardinals in St. Louis after bolting Chicago. The offense was led by pro bowl running back John David Crow and hurt by the quarterback tandem of King Hill and John Roach. WR Sonny Randle provided the sparks in the receiving game but his skills didn’t really set the league on fire. The Winner: 1970 – While the 84 squad had more offense the 70 squad was a better all around team so the nod goes to them. Roster: Code:
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09-20-2007, 04:40 PM
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Atlanta Falcons Overall -3.71 30th
Best 3 Seasons 1998 – 9.59 (14-2) 1980 – 7.83 (12-4) 1973 – 5.67 (9-5) 1998 The 98 Falcons were the ultimate flash in the pan team. The year before they finished 7-9 and the year after they finished 5-11 but in between the Falcons were able to get all of the way to the superbowl, where some questionable decisions and talent did them in. The Dirty Birds were led by Chris Chandler, Jamal Anderson and Tony Martin and Ray Buchanan, Eugene Robinson and Jessie Tuggle on defense. Both sides of the ball were ranked 4th overall in the league that year and they had a big upset over the 15-1 Vikings. 1980 This was the last time the Falcons reached the playoffs in the 80’s, which is rough because it’s the first year of the 80’s. The team was led by QB Steve Bartkowski and running back William Andrews. Both the offense and defenses were solid ranking 5 and 6 in the league in scoring respectively. 1973 Coached by Norm Van Brocklin the 73 Falcons achieved moderate success finishing above 500 for the second time in the teams history. The team boasted solid offensive and defensive lines and not much else. Choice: 1998 Falcons – Pretty obvious, by far the best Falcons team to date Roster Code:
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09-22-2007, 08:46 PM
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Baltimore Ravens Overall 1.77 8th All-time
Best 3 Seasons 2000 – 8.40 (12-4) 2003 – 7.07 (10-6) 2004 – 4.20 (9-7) 2000 The 2000 Ravens had one of the most dominant defenses in the history of the NFL. Too bad for them they did not have an offense to match. The defense was fantastic against the run, surrendering only 5 rushing touchdowns to go along with a 2.69 yards per carry average. The lack of a running game forced opponents into long 2nd and 3rd down plays which hurt their passing game. As good as the defense was, the offense was almost as bad. Between Tony Banks and Trent Dilfer the Ravens had half a QB, but between Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes they had a formidable rushing attack. Couple that with the return game of Jermaine Lewis and old time coaches were smiling away at the old school football being played in Baltimore. 2003-2004 These teams were very similar as the primary players were pretty much the same in each year. Kyle Boller led the offense, if by lead you mean handed the ball to Jamal Lewis who carried for over 2000 yards in 03 and the defenses leadership torch was in transition from DPOY Ray Lewis to DPOY Ed Reed. The groundwork laid with these teams set the 2006 Ravens up to be the most dominant iteration ever. Winner: 2000 Ravens, this would have been the 06 Ravens but the database I have runs only 60-05. Roster Code:
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09-22-2007, 08:47 PM
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Buffalo Bills -1.24 Overall 24
Best 3 Seasons 1990 – 8.68 (13-3) 1999 – 7.31 (11-5) 1974 – 7.20 (9-5) 1990 This was the first of 4 consecutive superbowl for the Billls. The K-Gun offense took the NFL by storm and Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed were lighting up all the opposition they faced. Of those 4 straight superbowl appearances this was the best defensive effort put forward by the Bills. Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Nate Odomes and Darryl Talley were all in their primes and could really limit opposing offenses. 1999 This was the height of the Doug Flutie experience, Flutie flakes were available in upstate New York and children across the nation were dreaming about being the pint sized pivot. This season marked the end of the line for much of the old guard as Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas were both in less productive roles with the team. Coached by Wade Phillips the defense was stellar this year, especially against the pass; although they weren’t able to force many turnovers. Only a miracle kept this team out of the superbowl. 1974 Coming off the first 2000 yard rushing effort in NFL history the Juice and the Electric company looked to keep cranking out the hits in the 74 season. The 74 season marked their first and last trip into the post season for the decade. The Bills were solid but unspectacular on both sides of the ball. They played a tough schedule and were deserving of being the third best Bills team. The Winner: 1990 – Last chance to win something Roster Code:
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09-22-2007, 09:03 PM
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Carolina Panthers -1.56 25th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1996 – 7.15 (12-4) 2005 – 4.97 (11-5) 2000 - - 0.73 (7-9) 1996 This season the Panthers in only their second year of existence lit up the NFL. Behind the strong arm of Kerry Collins and the wise hand of Steve Beuerlein the Panthers played sound football that led them to the best record in franchise history. Most of the success could be credited to their second ranked defense, which was led by Kevin Greene, Lamar Lathon and Sam Mills. 2005 It was interesting to discover that this squad was better than the team the reached and almost won the superbowl. However the 2003 team won a lot of close games and played an incredibly easy schedule, while this team went out and beat good teams by solid margins. The Panthers attack was led by the two headed beast of Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster and whoever was throwing the ball to Steve Smith. Smith was essentially the entire passing offense and single handedly killed the Bears in the playoffs. The defense was solid as well and was anchoured by sack master Julius Peppers and space eater Kris Jenkins. 2000 Not really worth talking about as this is a two horse race. The Winner – 1996 It’s going to take some special circumstances to unseat the top rated team and the 05 team didn’t have any of those so the 96 team is the right decision. Roster Code:
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09-22-2007, 09:16 PM
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Chicago Bears 0.224 15th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1985 – 16.04 (15-1) 1965 – 14.31 (9-5) 1963 – 8.84 (11-1-2) 1985 This team was known for its defense and what a defense it was. They posted the third best points allowed of any team in NFL history behind only the 2000 Ravens and the 86 Bears. The defense excelled at applying lots of pressure on an offense with players like Dent, Hampton, Marshall, McMichael, Singletary and Wilson. Oh and they had a pretty good offense as well. Led by timeless runner Walter Payton and Jim McMahon the offense was the second best in the NFL. The only sore spot on this team was at receiver where Willie Gault and Dennis McKinnon didn’t strike much fear in opponents. 1965 There was a very good reason that the second best Bears team only managed 9 wins. Their schedule was incredibly tough and the word parity and NFL weren’t uttered in the same sentence, ever. The 65 team was stellar on both sides of the ball ranking second in total offense and defense. The offensive attack was led by a healthy Gale Sayers, an efficient Rudy Bukich the revolutionary Mike Ditka. The defense was no slouch either with names like Butkus, Petitbon and Rosey Taylor. This was a great team and a lot of franchises would be honoured to have them represent them but it’s not going to be. 1963 Tremendous defensive squad with a terrible offense, not worthy of consideration. The Winner – 1985 – Regarded as one of the best teams ever, we will see. Roster Code:
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09-24-2007, 12:48 PM
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Cincinnati Bengals -0.66 19th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1975 10.12 (11-3) 1976 7.01 (10-4) 1989 6.93 (8-8) 1975 The 75 Bengals featured one of the best passing offenses in the game. Quarterback Ken Anderson found receivers Isaac Curtis, Charlie Joiner and Chip Myers early and often in games. The running game was average at best with no real number one back as four different runners carried the ball 50+ times. The defenses effort, especially against the pass is what separated the 75 team from the 76 team. They allowed only 2001 yards at 5.14 ypa. Unfortunately the run defense was rather sieve like allowing 4.64 yards per carry and ultimately was the undoing of this squad. 1976 Basically the same team as the 75 version, but didn’t quite do as well on both sides of the ball. 1989 Nope not 88, statistically this team was slightly better than the 88 superbowl squad. Basically all of the luck or “clutch” as announcers and pundits like to talk about existed only with thee 88 squad and not the 89 squad. However, the 89 team played better. Led by Boomer Esiason, James Brooks, Tim McGee and Eddie Brown the Bengals offense was very solid ranking 4th in the NFL. The defense, much like the 75 team was solid against the pass led by David Fulcher’s intimidating presence over the middle and Eric Thomas on the outside. The Winner: Closer than the experts think, but the nod has to goto the 75 squad. Although not having Ickey Woods on the 89 squad could have swung the tide. Maybe the jury is still out on this one. Roster Code:
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09-24-2007, 12:49 PM
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Cleveland Browns -0.88 21st Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1960 10.82 (8-3-1) 1987 10.71 (10-5) 1966 7.60 (9-5) 1960 The 1960 Browns had one of the most prolific offenses ever, averaging over 30 points per game. The offensive attack was led by all world running Jim Brown, who was entering his 4th year out of Syracuse. The aerial attack was led by Milt Plum and pro bowl receivers Bobby Mitchell and Ray Renfro. The defense was solid but was what limited this team’s achievement. 1987 The legend of Marty Schottenheimer grew with this team, only a year removed from “The Drive” the 87 Browns were ready to avenge their last second meltdown at the hands of the Broncos. The Browns had a potent lineup that was 3rd in offense and second in defense and featured 8 pro bowlers. The offense was led by Cleveland legend Bernie Kosar and running backs Kevin Mack and Ernest Byner. The defense was led by Bob Golic, Clay Matthews and defensive backs Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield. Unfortunately for Browns fans the season ended much the same as the 86 season with a last second loss to the Broncos. The Broncos were up 38-31 with a minute remaining and the Browns had driven the ball down to the Denver 8. Kosar hands off to Byner who had a wide open lane to the endzone and well lets just say the ending is called “The Fumble”. 1966 The 66 Browns played very well on both sides of the ball but with an entirely different cast than the 1960 team. Plum and Brown were gone but Frank Ryan and Leroy Kelly were no slouches as their replacements. The team rolled up the second most points in the league and allowed the 5th most. Unfortunately the accomplishments of the 66 Browns don’t measure up to those of the 60 and 87 squads so they are out of the running. The Winner: 1960 the allure of Jim Brown is just to great to pass up. Roster Code:
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09-24-2007, 12:50 PM
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So any ideas on how you want to see the season run? 1 season no injuries, should there be injuries? Maybe run 30 seasons, I dunno. What do you guys/gals want to see?
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09-24-2007, 11:16 PM
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Go Reds
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I am excited
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09-24-2007, 11:16 PM
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Go Reds
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1 season no holds barred let the cards fall where they may
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09-25-2007, 12:09 AM
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I do think this would be the most interesting. Imagine the 04 Pats in the superbowl and Brady goes down and Rohan Davey has to come in to try and salvage glory, or the 62 Packers and Starr goes down and in trots John Roach. Crazyness. |
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09-25-2007, 12:13 AM
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I'm also thinking of trying to find the worst team in history. 76 Bucs, 91 Colts, 65 Steelers? Should be interesting. |
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09-25-2007, 05:42 AM
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1934 Cincinnati Reds (0-8)
The Reds (Yes, back in 1934, Cincinnati's football team was the Reds. The Bengals didn't start play until 1968.) scored only one touchdown and one field goal all season, while their defense gave up 243 points. During the 2000 season, John Erardi of the Cincinnati Enquirer consoled Bengals fans by quoting from a 1934 recap of the Reds season: "The Cincinnati defense hung tough for the first few games, but the offense was practically impotent. By mid-October, the dispirited Reds were regularly being crushed by clubs using their substitutes." ---Not my writing but a "quote" from espn's top 10 "worst" teams of all time lol.
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09-26-2007, 09:18 PM
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Dallas Cowboys 2.318 3rd Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1968 - 13.74 (12-2) 1973 - 12.63 (10-4) 1978 - 10.95 (12-4) 1968 The 68 squad had a lights out offense and a ferocious defense, scoring 17.5 more points per game then they allowed. The team sent 8 players to the probowl, 5 of them on defense. That defense was led by Bob Lilly, Chuck Howley and Mel Renfro. The offensive attack featured Don Meredith, Don Perkins and Bob Hayes. This team was a dominant force on both sides of the ball. 1973 Another excellent offensive team the 73 Cowboys were led, finally by Roger Staubach. The ex-Navy star was the catalyst for the offense and his presence helped Bob Hayes and Drew Pearson have excellent seasons. The rushing load was carried by Calvin Hill, who went over 1000 yards, back when it still meant something. The defense had a down year but still had plenty of star power with names like Howley, Jordan, Lilly, Renfro and Waters. Their championship aspirations were snuffed out by the Vikings in the NFC championship game. 1978 Coached by the man in the fedora hat the 78 team struck fear into opposing offenses and defenses. Again the team was led by experienced veteran quarterback Roger Staubach and receivers Drew Pearson and Tony Hill. However in this season he had a new horse in the stable in Heisman trophy winner Tony Dorsett. The team had also brought in future hall of famer Jackie Smith, although he would ultimately drop the ball when the team needed him most. The defense was again solid with Too Tall Jones, Hollywood Henderson, Randy White and Charlie Waters striking fear into opposing quarterback and runningbacks. They held opposing offenses to the least amount of rushing yards in the league but none of that could win the team the superbowl. The Winner: 1968 – All of these teams are vastly talented, none more than the 68 squad though. Roster Code:
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09-26-2007, 09:19 PM
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Denver Broncos 2.913 2nd Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1977 - 11.21 (12-2) 1997 - 10.79 (12-4) 2005 - 10.69 (13-3) 1977 The 77 Broncos are an interesting team. They did not dominate the league in offense. They played very solid defense, but it wasn’t the best in the league. What they did do was go out, play a tough schedule and win more than they lost. They went out and were dominant against the run, allowing 3.26 ypc and they forced a lot of turnovers. The offense was led by Cowboy castoff Craig Morton, Otis Armstrong and Haven Moses. The defense, nicknamed the Orange Crush was responsible for all 5 of the Broncos probowl invites. The D was led by Tom Jackson, Lyle Alzado, Randy Gradishar and Louis Wright. This team enjoyed an excellent season, which came to an end against Morton’s previous employer in the superbowl. 1997 Win one for John, that was the cry in Bronco nation. Entering his 15th season star quarterback John Elway had yet to lift the Lombardi trophy, eventhough he single-handedly led the team their on a couple of occasions. This year was different however because Elway no longer had to rely on just himself, he had allpro runner Terrell Davis entering his prime and what a prime it was, Davis rushed for 1750 yards that season and 15 touchdowns. When Elway chose to throw the ball he had dependable targets in Rod Smith, Easy Ed McCaffrey and Shannon Sharpe. The question mark heading in the postseason was the defense, which ranked 30th in rushing yards per attempt. However the defense led by the line of Neil Smith, Alfred Williams, MD Perry and Trevor Pryce were able to clamp down in the playoffs and get Elway the trophy he so richly deserved. 2005 Having rescued Jake Plummer from exile in the desert the Broncos were rewarded by excellent quarterback play, which had supporters dreaming of another superbowl victory. The offense also had two runners almost break the 1000 yard mark with Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell. Ultimately the offense, and Plummer who had played so well during the season let the team down in the AFC championship against the Steelers, committing 4 turnovers in the first half. The winner: 1997, what would a tournament of champions be without Elways best squad? Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 12:31 AM
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Detroit Lions -0.5 18th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1970 – 13.73 (10-4) 1962 – 12.37 (11-3) 1995 – 6.80 (10-6) 1970 The Lions were actually a solid team this season finishing second in points for and points allowed. This was also the season the singer Marvin Gaye tried out for the team in other seasons he would have been a shoe in, but not this one. The Lions had 4 probowlers and several other solid defensive players like Lem Barney, Dick LeBeau and Paul Naumoff. The offense revolved around running back Mel Farr and a two quarterback system involving Greg Landry and Bill Munson. Landry was the better option and garnered most of the playing time. Their favourite target was tight end Charlie Sanders, who was rewarded with a probowl invite for his efforts. 1962 Eventhough the 62 Lions only lost 3 games that was two games too many as the dominant 62 Packers went 13-1 to spoil an excellent season. The centerpieces of this team were corners Yale Lary and Dick Night Train Lane. The offense was led by none other than Milt Plum and no less than 3 running backs. The defense is what made this team special, ranking second in points allowed, but they weren’t able to fully make up for the offenses shortcomings. 1995 Sadly this shows just how bad the rest of the Lions were when Barry was there, what a waste. The Winner: 1970 – The most two dimensional Lions team ever, big accomplishment. Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 12:43 AM
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Green Bay Packers 1.996 6th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1962 – 19.64 (13-1) 1996 – 15.08 (13-3) 1961 – 13.47 (11-3) 1962 According to the SRS this team is the best team ever averaging almost 20 points per game better than an average team. According to opposing teams this team was a killer. The only blemish on the season was a week 11 loss to the Lions. The team was incredibly dominant averaging almost 30 points per game, while only surrendering 10. The offense was led by all time greats Bart Starr, Boyd Bowler, Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor. The defense featured Herb Adderley, Willie Davis, Willie Wood and some Nitschke guy. This truly was a team for the ages. 1996 Like the 62 Packers the 96 team was first in the league in scoring offense and defense. While they didn’t quite achieve the same prodigious results, they were still pretty damn good averaging 28.5 points and allowing only 13. The offense was solid led by Brett Favre, Antonio Freeman and Edgar Bennett but it was the defense who delivered the mail. They were 1st in the league in pass defense and in the top 5 in run defense. The D was anchored by legend Reggie White and safeties LeRoy Butler and Eugene Robinson. If there was one weakness on this team it was the offensive line who were just good, not great. 1961 Pretty much the same squad as in 62, just not quite as seasoned. The winner: 1962 – Can’t leave the best team home, even if it means leaving Favre at home. Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 12:47 AM
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Houston Texans -6.31 32nd Alltime
Best 3 Seasons -1.39 – 2004 (7-9) -7.25 – 2003 (5-11) -9.28 – 2002 (4-12) Winner: 2004 Roster Code:
Sorry not talking about the Texans, every team is brutal and they are lucky they are here. In fact maybe we’ll replace them with a wildcard team to be voted on by the people after all of the teams have been announced. Thoughts? |
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09-27-2007, 06:52 PM
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Indianapolis Colts 0.928 13th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1968 – 17.75 (13-1) 1964 – 15.75 (12-2) 1967 – 13.38 (11-1-2) 1968 You know this team very well, only lost one game all season to the Cleveland Browns then they went into Cleveland in the championship game and annihilated them 34-0. The some guy makes some guarantee and all hell breaks lose. Part of what made that superbowl so amazing was how good the colts were. Their average margin of victory was 18.5 points and they had 8 probowlers and a few hall of famers. Led by Earl Morral who took over for old, but still viable Johnny U the Colts offense was second in the league in points. The defense however was the heart of this team, kicking the snot out of opposing offenses at will. Centerpiece to this was linebacker Mike Curtis and lineman Bubba Smith. 1964 This team had a much different flavour compared to the 68 team. The offense was led by stalwarts Unitis, Lenny Moore and Raymond Berry, but the defense had yet to find its identity, eventhough they were number 1 in the league, they weren’t dominant to the same level as the 68 team. This year the west division was a little down so the team was hurt in the overall rankings by playing a relatively easy schedule. 1967 The 67 team was a hash of the 68 and 64 teams, really good, but certainly not the best. The winner: 1968 – They get a chance to get revenge for their suberbowl loss Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 06:52 PM
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Jacksonville Jaguars 1.594 9th overall
Best 3 Seasons 1999 – 6.54 (14-2) 1997 – 5.43 (11-5) 2005 – 4.57 (12-4) 1999 The 99 season was a great season if you were a Jaguar fan as they went out and achieved the best record in the NFL that season. The defense was the best in the NFL that season and the offense was no slouch finishing 6th. The offense was based around a solid rushing attack which was led by, when healthy Fred Taylor, and when Taylor was injured, James Stewart. The receiving core was solid with McCardell and HOF candidate Jimmy Smith. Mark Brunell was responsible for distributing the ball around and he did a solid job earning a pro bowl trip for his troubles. The defense was led by linebackers Kevin Hardy and Bryce Paup and safety Carnell Lake. The playoffs started off great with a 62-7 killing of the Fish, but it was all for naught as the Jags lost to the Titans for the third time that season in the championship game. This team is so close to the 97 team in overall rating because they played the second easiest schedule next to the Rams that season. 1997 Similar team to the 99 squad except sub Natrone Means for Fred Taylor. Also the defense was in no way as dominant as the 99 team so they are out, which leaves. 2005 This was a good team that went 12-4. Solid defense, good offense but notice the word great isn’t in there at all. This for sure isn’t their greatest team so the choice is obvious. Winner: 1999 Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 06:53 PM
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Kansas City Chiefs 1.426 11th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1968 – 14.44 (12-2) 1969 – 12.31 (11-3) 1966 – 11.75 (11-2-1) The Winner: 1968 These teams were basically the same team every year. 5 HOF players played during this era, including Len Dawson, Bobby Bell, Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan and Stenerud. The 68 squad led the league in defense while ranking 4th in offense. Len Dawson averaged an impressive 9.4 yards per attempt and the two headed monster of Garrett and Holmes went over 1400 yards combined. Roster Code:
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09-27-2007, 09:30 PM
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I'd love to see a Marino squad, even though realistically it'll be the '73 group, who seem to be considered better than the '72 team.
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09-27-2007, 11:00 PM
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Miami Dolphins 3.168 1st Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1973 – 13.10 (12-2) 1972 – 11.24 (14-0) 1984 – 10.70 (14-2) 1972-1973 Pretty much one of the most successful three year runs in NFL history. The 72 and 73 seasons ended with the Dolphins being back to back champions and the rest of us forever having to endure the champagne celebration whenever the last undefeated team loses. The 1973 team is regarded as the better of the two teams, and with good reason. In 72 the Fish played by far the easiest schedule and their stats benefited accordingly. That being said they were still pretty amazing. These squads were led by Bob Griese and Earl Morrall at quarterback but featured the two headed attack of Csonka and Morris along with special receivers Marlin Briscoe and Paul Warfield. The offensive line is what made this team great sending 3 starters to the probowl. Then there was the defense who played lights out and allowed the offense to hammer away at opposing teams with the running game. All in all, pretty good teams. 1984 Sadly for Dan Marino he didn’t have a defense the same caliber as the early 70’s teams, or a running game for that matter. What he did have was one of the best arms in football history and a couple of solid receivers in Clayton and Duper. Marino’s season was unbelievable, he threw for over 5000 yards, 48 touchdowns, while completing almost 65% of his passes and only throwing 17 picks. Sadly the defense was not up to even half his standard as they ranked last against the run and middle of the pack against the pass. This team was truly one dimensional, but what a dimension it was. They may have a chance to take the Texans spot, look for them later. The Winner: 1973 – The best of the early 70’s teams, has to be the choice Roster Code:
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Minnesota Vikings 1.834 8th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1969 – 17.62 (12-2) 1998 – 14.89 (15-1) 1970 – 14.77 (12-2) 1969 Two years removed from dealing their biggest star Fran Tarkenton the Vikings had arguably their best season ever. The Vikings had the best offense and defense in the league. And while the offense led by Joe Kapp was very good, hanging up 50+ points 3 times that season, the defense was better, allowing a staggering 9.5 points per game and earning the distinction the purple people eaters. The strength of the defense was the line with Carl Eller, Gary Larsen, Jim Marshall and Alan Page the Vikings line controlled the line of scrimmage. For as well as the Vikings played during the regular season they could quite get in done in the playoffs, becoming the second NFL team to lose to the AFL in superbowl 4. 1998 The 1998 Vikings lost two games by a grand total of 6 points. Unfortunately one of those games was in the playoffs to the Atlanta Falcons on a missed Gary Anderson field goal. The offense was unstoppable, averaging 35 points per game and never scoring less than 24. The offense was led by the Randall Cunningham resurrection project, Robert Smith, and the perfect receiving duo of Randy Moss and Cris Carter. The Vikings were at or near the top of the league in nearly every offensive category, the same could not be said for their defense. Although they finished 6th in points allowed they were in the middle of the pack in yards allowed and yards allowed per play. 1970 The defense was still dominant, the offense wasn’t quite as good with Gary Cuozzo calling the shots. Great team, just not the best. The Winner: This is a really tough one, the 69 defense was amazing, but the 98 offense was amazing. Who should win? The old adage is offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships rings true so the 69 Vikings will get their chance. Roster Code:
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New England Patriots 0.381 14th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 2004 – 11.46 (14-2) 1976 – 8.46 (11-3) 2003 – 7.35 (14-2) 2004 The 2004 team continued on the teams’ impressive streak of wins from the previous season and setting a record that would extend to 21 straight games. The 04 Patriots were led by Tom Brady and Corey Dillon. The only real weakness on this team was the lack of a big time receiver as the stable was full of quality number 2 guys. The offense and defense were both outstanding but not world beaters, the Patriots just played better together and didn’t make as many mistakes as their counterparts. 1976 The 76 team was built around the 3 headed rushing of Andy Johnson, Sam Cunningham and Don Calhoun, who combined almost racked up 3000 yards. The passing game wasn’t quite as reliable with Steve Grogan throwing more interceptions than touchdowns and completing less than 50% of his passes. The defense was average at best, but wasn’t without stars with Mike Haynes patrolling the secondary teams had to be sure to avoid him. 2003 Same deal as 04. The Winner: Hmm, I wonder, 2004 Patriots. Roster Code:
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New Orleans Saints -3.41 28th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1987 – 9.94 (12-3) 1991 – 9.02 (11-5) 1992 – 7.77 (12-4) (For reference the 06 team is 4.03, 5.69 from point differential and -1.66 from sched) 1987 It took 20 years for the Saints to reach the playoffs and did it by running the ball more than anybody else, attempting 569 runs, but only averaging 3.85 ypc. The defense was decent allowing only 6 rushing touchdowns, but giving up 25 through the air. However they were the ultimate riverboat gamblers picking off 30 passes. The team was led by Rueben Mayes at runningback and Cajun Bobby Hebert at quarterback. The defense played an attacking style with linebackers Sam Mills, Rickey Jackson, Pat Swilling and Vaughan Johnson giving opposing quarterback fits. 1991 This team was basically the exact same team as the 87 team, except with more experience and that added experience paid off in the top ranked defense in the league. Again Bobby Hebert was back to throw the ball around and Ironhead Heyward to run it, when healthy. The defense was 6th best in yards per rush and 4th best in yards per attempt while intercepting 29 passes and only allowing 18 touchdowns (12 air, 6 run). 1992 Same team as 91, not quite as good The winner: 1991 - I am convinced that injuries kept this team from being more effective than the 87 team and will judge them accordingly. Roster Code:
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New York Jets -1.74 27th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1998 – 10.74 (12-4) 1982 – 10.28 (6-3) 1968 – 8.36 (11-3) Not really their 3rd best, more like 5th best but worth discussion 1998 Vinny and the Jets had their best season ever in 98 with Vinny throwing for 29 touchdowns with his main targets being third year man Keyshawn Johnson and Wayne Chrebet. The Jets had a solid rushing attack with Curtis Martin, who averaged a very Eddie Georgesq 3.5 ypc. The main strength of the Jets was their passing defense, featuring Aaron Glenn, Ray Mickens and Victor Green, the Jets allowed only 16 passing touchdowns and a 6.06 ypa average. The Jets overcame a sluggish 0-2 start to win their division and earn a first round bye. Their season was ended in the championship game by the eventual champion Denver Broncos. 1982 The 82 strike shortened season provided a lot of excitement for Jets fans as the team was enjoying a resurgence after the doldrums of the 70’s. The team was led by the Sack Exchange of Mark Gastineau and Joe Klecko but it was the offense that was the better unit. The team finished third in the league in points scored and the main reason for that was running back Freeman McNeil, who average 5.2 ypc. Richard Todd was the starting quarterback and he was exciting to watch either making the big play to help the Jets, or their opponent win. The 82 season ended with a loss to the Miami Dolphins in the AFC championship game. 1968 When you go out and play one of the most dominant teams of the era you’re not supposed to rile them up, but an Alabama quarterback by the name of Joe Willie Namath did just that, boasting the Jets will win sunday, I guarantee it. Namath was the unquestioned leader of the team but he wasn’t their best player. That season he was erratic at best, completing less than 50% of his passes and being intercepted more times then he connected on touchdown passes. The running game was much more consistent with Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer shouldering the load. When Namath did complete a pass it was deep and often to his two stallions Don Maynard and George Sauer. The defense was also stout with Johnny Sample, Verlon Briggs and Al Atkinson shouldering the load. The Winner: Eventhough the 98 team was two points a game better, the 68 team just has to be in this competition as much as I dislike the Jets, they are a huge part of NFL history. Roster Code:
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New York Giants -1.07 22nd Overall
Best 3 Seasons 1963 – 9.38 (11-3) 1986 – 8.85 (14-2) 1990 – 7.70 (13-3) 1963 From 1958 to 1963 the Giants would play in 5 NFL championship games, losing them all. 63 was to be the last truly great season for MVP quarterback Y.A. Tittle. In 63 he threw a then record 36 touchdown passes and put up unheard of numbers for a quarterback in that day and age, completing 60% of his passes and only throwing 14 picks. The Giants rushing attack was centered around Phil King and Joe Morrison while the receiving was done by Frank Gifford, Del Shofner and the running backs. While the offense was tops in the league the defense was just above average and ultimately this would lead to their downfall as their offense couldn’t out shoot everybody. 1986 While the 63 team was based on offense the 86 team was based on ball control and defense. The defense was led by League MVP Lawrence Taylor who terrorized opposing quarterbacks. The defense also featured Harry Carson, Pepper Johnson and Carl Banks. The offense was led by running back Joe Morris, who rushed for over 1500 yards. Phil Simms quarterbacked the team and while he wasn’t very efficient during the regular season, he was spectacular during the playoffs. His favourite target was tight end Mark Bavaro. 1990 This team was similar to the 86 team in that the defense was dominant and the offense was average at best. There were some key differences, one was Phil Simms committed only 4 interceptions and the running game wasn’t quite as successful with running back Ottis Anderson carrying the load. The Winner: 1986 – Again defense wins championships Roster Code:
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Oakland Raiders 2.125 4th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1967 – 15.50 (13-1) 1968 – 14.76 (12-2) 2002 – 10.52 (11-5) Ok I really don’t care how well the 02 Raiders did, a Raiders team from that era can’t represent Raider nation so we need to figure out if either the 67 or 68 team is the best. Both teams were quarterbacked by Daryle Lamonica and both had Hewritt Dixon carrying the mail. Fred Bilentnikoff was the main target in both years and the defense was pretty much the same. Really the main difference between the two squads was the 67 team played a slightly harder schedule and the 68 squad added rookies Art Shell and Gene Atkinson. For those reasons it seems that while the 67 had a slightly higher adjusted points per game, the 68 squad was the better team, so they are the winners. Roster Code:
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Philadelphia Eagles -0.8 20th Overall
Best 3 Seasons 1980 – 9.71 (12-4) 1992 – 8.83 (11-5) 1981 – 8.71 (10-6) 1980 This team is better than the 81 version by a little bit mainly because of the rushing attack so we’ll debate 80 vs 92. Eventhough the 80 Eagles had only 3 pro bowlers (Carmichael, Jaworski and Charlie Johnson) they had the number 1 defense and number 6 offense. Jaworski was the centerpiece of the offense as it relied on him making sound decisions and getting the ball out quickly. He managed the games quite well throwing a league low 12 interceptions. His top targets were runningback Wilbert Montgomery and receivers Harold Carmichael and Charlie Smith. The defense was the epitome of bend but don’t break allowing only 24 touchdowns and limiting opposing quarterback to only 5.86 yards per attempt or 4.08 aypa, if that is what floats your boat. The Eagles ultimately collapsed in the superbowl when they kept beating themselves through turnovers and penalties. 1992 This was the last season in Philadelphia for the Minister of Defense Reggie White. There were many stars on this team with Randall Cunningham, Eric Allen, Reggie White, Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmons and they really knew how to get after the quarterback. However all that star power didn’t make up for a weaker supporting cast that limited (relative to other great teams) the Eagles to 6th in total offense and defense. The running game was booster by the arrival of Herschel Walker and the continued excellence of Heath Sherman and Keith Byars. The Eagles ultimately lost in the playoffs to the eventual superbowl champion Cowboys. The Winner: 1980 – Less star power but better overall team. Roster Code:
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Pittsburgh Steelers 1.341 12th Overall
Best 3 Seasons 1976 – 15.34 1975 – 14.35 1979 – 12.06 Ok we knew it had to be a Steeler team from this era and I do think the 76 team is that team. Eventhough they lost 4 of their first 5 games and didn’t make the superbowl due to several critical injuries they seem to be the most talented group of the 70’s dynasty. Roster Code:
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Saint Louis Rams 1.5 10th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1967 – 13.76 (11-1-2) 2001 – 13.57 (14-2) 1973 – 13.23 (12-2) 1967 3 members of the original fearsome foursome remained in 67, with Rosier Grier retiring in 66. The three remaining members, Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen and Lamar Lundy were joined by Roger Brown, who turned out to be pretty good in his own right. This team was dominant finishing 1st in offensive and defensive scoring. The offense was led by Roman Gabriel and runningback Les Josephson. This was truly a great team and one of the best the LA area has seen. Unfortunately their regular season prowess never translated over to the playoffs where they were unable to reach the superbowl. 2001 Of all the Rams teams near the end of the century this was the most balanced one. Their previous incarnations could score, but they were scored upon just as much. The offense concocted by the mad scientist Mike Martz once again was at the top of the NFL charts, but this time the defense orchestrated by Lovie Smith was up there as well finishing 7th in the league. The Rams lost 3 games all year by a combined 13 points. The greatest show on turf was executed by Kurt Warner who almost eclipsed 5000 yards, his only drawback were the 22 interceptions he threw. The rest of the offense was stellar as well with Marshall Faulk putting up great numbers in the running and passing game as well as excellent receivers Issac Bruce and Torry Holt. The defense again was a bend but don’t break, let them complete the short stuff style that allowed the 3rd least yards in the league. 1973 While only Merlin Olsen of the fearsome foursome remained there was a new star defensive end in the mix in the form of Jack Youngblood. Youngblood was a legend known for his toughness and his ability against both the run and the pass. Joining them on the line was giant Fred Dryer (who would enjoy quite the acting career). The offense was executed by John Hadl who had come over from the Chargers. This Rams team unlike their modern counterpart liked to run the ball. Chalking up over 650 carries (while only throwing 271 times). This ball control style of offense almost led to two 1000 yard rushers in Lawrence McCutcheon and Jim Bertlesen. The receiving core centered around Harold Jackson, who for the limited number of throws put up great numbers, collecting 13 touchdown passes. The Winner: This was a close one, as all three teams had their plusses, but in the end the 67 team is the most balanced so Los Angeles will once again have a NFL team. Roster Code:
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6 teams left to go!
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San Diego Chargers 0.08 16th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1979 – 11.92 (12-4) 1961 – 11.13 (12-2) 2005 – 9.83 (9-7) 1979 This team was coached by Don Coryell who was famous for his Air Coryell offense. It was one that Dan Fouts executed well. He led the league in passing yards despite an atrocious rushing attack. His main targets were the explosive and acrobatic duo of John Jefferson and Charlie Joiner. When he wasn’t putting it up on the outside he could find his dependable target Kellen Winslow over the middle. Even though the offense got all of the pub, the defense was no slouch finishing second in the league. They were near the tops of the league at forcing turnovers and caused headaches for opposing quarterbacks. Once again another successful Chargers season was derailed in the playoffs by the Houston Oilers. 1961 The Chargers first season in San Diego was also one of their best. They had the original fearsome foursome on defense with Earl Faison and Ernie Ladd. The offense was executed by quarterback Jack Kemp, who made the probowl despite completing less than 50% of his passes and throwing more interceptions than touchdowns. The main strength of this team was the defense, which finished tops in the AFL and had 5 probowl representatives. The team played well all season but the offense let them down in the championship game only managing 3 points against the Houston Oilers. 2005 Widely considered the best team of the 05 season the Chargers didn’t even actually make the playoffs. They lost 5 of 7 games by 4 points or less and that killed any hope of them reaching the postseason. Besides that fact the team was pretty talented. Led by one of the most dynamic players in NFL history LaDanian Tomlinson, the Chargers had a dominating rushing attack. Drew Brees in his last season in San Diego performed very well throwing for 24 touchdowns, but he did throw 15 picks, many of them at crucial times. The main target for Brees was tight end Antonio Gates, who went over 1000 yards and had people comparing him to the alltime greats. His only other target was the aged Keenan McCardell, who performed well given his experience level. The Achilles heel of this team was the defense. While they were stellar against the run, they were either sack or bust against the pass. They recorded only 10 interceptions and allowed almost 4000 yards through the air. The Winner: If Allworth had been drafted a year earlier, it’d probably be 61, but 79 has got to be the choice. Roster Code:
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San Francisco 49ers 2.063 5th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1987 – 13.17 (13-2) 1984 – 12.89 (15-1) 1995 – 11.82 (11-5) This is actually quite an easy decision. Eventhough the 84 team rang roughshod over the league, winning the superbowl and going 18-1 the 87 team was far more dominant. They ranked first in scoring offense and defense. Also the main players were all in their prime, Montana, Taylor, Rice, Craig plus a stout defense, this was the best team of the bunch. Roster Code:
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Seattle Seahawks -1.14 23rd Overall
Best 3 Seasons 1984 – 9.13 (12-4) 2005 – 9.01 (13-3) 1986 – 6.18 (10-6) 1984 The Seahawks lost star runner Curt Warner in the first game of the season. With him, they had a chance to be the best team in the league. Without him, just the best team in their history. The Seahawks shifted their emphasis from running the ball to riding the right arm of Dave Krieg and a strong defense. Without Warner the rushing attack ranked last in the league defenses shifted their focus to Krieg, who responded throwing 32 touchdowns, 12 of which landed in the arms of hall of famer Steve Largent. The defense was led by safety Kenny Easley who led the league with 10 interceptions and was the NFL’s defensive POY a year after he was the AFC’s DPOY. The Hawks ultimately lost to Marino’s superbowl bound Fish, but this was still a great season. 2005 The 2005 Seahawks were the best offensive team they have ever had, the question is were they the best? The team rode workhorse running back Shaun Alexander to a then NFL record 27 rushing touchdowns and 1880 yards. Quarterback Matt Hasselbeck was no slouch either, throwing for 24 touchdowns and almost 3500 yards as the offense enjoyed the best season in the NFL. The only problem on the offensive side of the ball was the fact that the receivers liked to play hot potato with the ball and wound up dropping a lot of passes. The defense was Ok, ranking a little worse than average in yards allowed. They didn’t do anything particularly well, but they didn’t do anything all that bad either. They were at their best when opponents tried to run the ball then rookie Linebacker Lofa Tatupu could make them pay, other than that, they were really average at best. 1986 84 was a better version of a similar team. The winner: 1984, a more complete team, especially with a healthy Curt Warner. Roster Code:
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers -4.55 31st Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 2002 – 8.87 2000 – 7.22 2001 – 4.13 Hmm I wonder which years were the best for Bucs fans? It’s like finding the best STD. Well the 02 team had the best defense and the best offense of the bunch so the superbowl winning Bucs are the choice here. Roster Code:
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Tennessee Titans -1.57 26th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 2000 – 8.71 (13-3) 1991 – 8.37 (11-5) 1993 – 7.12 (12-4) 2000 The 2000 Titans represented a return to quality football for the Titans franchise. They had the best record in the NFL and played better than in their superbowl season. The Titans were led by the #2 defense. They played their best against the pass, allowing a paltry 2761 yards at 5.92 ypa. The run defense was also stout allowing only 1390 yards at 3.6 ypc. The only downfall of the defense was they didn’t force many turnovers. The offense was average at best, when they ran the ball, which they did more than anyone they didn’t gain a ton of yards averaging 3.8 ypc most of that coming from workhorse Eddie George. When they threw the ball oft injured quarterback Steve McNair shouldered most of the load. He did pretty well, although he did commit his fair share of turnovers. The strength on the defense was the pass rush of Jevon Kearse and the coverage ability of Samari Rolle. 1991 Led by former CFL legend Warren Moon the Oilers offense hung up over 6000 yards in the wacky run and shoot offense. Moon threw for 4700 yards and 23 touchdowns. The Oilers didn’t have any tight ends on the field and consistently featured 4 receivers, normally Haywood Jeffries, Drew Hill, Ernest Givins and Curtis Duncan. When they decided to run the ball Lorenzo White and Allen Pinkett split the carries. With the offense either scoring quick or turning the ball over quick the defense spent a lot of time on the field and they performed admirably finishing 6th in the league in scoring defense. The defense featured a solid linebacking core anchoured by Laman Lathon and Al Smith. The D-Line was also solid with William Fuller and Sean Jones hunting down quarterbacks all year long. 1993 91 was better so.. The winner: 91 in the upset, more explosive team, better balance between offense and defense so there will be a team from Houston in this. Roster Code:
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Washington Redskins -0.1 17th Alltime
Best 3 Seasons 1991 – 16.62 (14-2) 1983 – 13.75 (14-2) 1974 – 10.36 (10-4) The 4th best team according to the SRS isn’t sitting home so the 91 Skins are the choice, although the 83 team will enter the race for the Texans spot. Roster Code:
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Alright so we've met 31 of the 32 teams so head on over to the dynasty polls forum to vote on which team, if any will replace the texans.
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Shouldn't the old Browns have been part of the Ravens franchise?
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Nah, the NFL officially gave the team history back to Cleveland. Baltimore Ravens history starts with the move as if they were an expansion team.
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1 day left and it's a dead heat between the 84 Dolphins and keeping the texans, don't do this too me guys.
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So thanks to those who voted here are the results
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Good stuff ... looking forward to seeing who is King of the Hill.
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