The #1 Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft will go to....

flere-imsaho · 12-07-2009, 11:47 AM

Four weeks to go....

Poll to follow.

Doug5984 · 12-07-2009, 11:49 AM

1. Cleveland
2. Tampa Bay
3. St Louis
4. Detroit
Then probably the chiefs to round out the top 5?

DeToxRox · 12-07-2009, 11:49 AM

I fully expect the top 5 to be:

1. STL
2. CLE
3. TB
4. DET
5. KC

flere-imsaho · 12-07-2009, 11:51 AM

After filling this out, I can't believe the Raiders have 4 wins.

Logan · 12-07-2009, 11:51 AM

Can't wait. Barring any crazy runs, Niners should have two picks in the 10-15 range which will hopefully be used to address the OL.

Butter · 12-07-2009, 11:54 AM

Cleveland needs so much, it's hard to know where to begin. I'm sure the fans will just hope that they don't make a mistake of Couch-esque proportions again.

bhlloy · 12-07-2009, 11:57 AM

Tampa - I think Brady Quinn wins a couple of games for the Browns before the end of the season. He really looked pretty good (1 fumble aside) against the Chargers.

Samdari · 12-07-2009, 11:59 AM

I think the 3-9 teams are completely out of it.

Who would get it when (oops, I mean if) Cleveland and St. Louis tie at 1-15? That's my pick.

And could either really take the guy looking like the best player in the draft? Suh has got to play DT in the 4-3, so he's a poor fit in Cleveland (although who knows what Mangini's successor will run). And can St Louis really sell a 3rd defensive lineman/4th lineman in 4 years to their fans?

Matthean · 12-07-2009, 12:09 PM

Depends on how tie breakers go, but I really have a hard time thinking about anything Tampa Bay would have to give me hope.

MikeVic · 12-07-2009, 12:16 PM

Don't worry, the fucking Steelers will lose to the Browns.

claphamsa · 12-07-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Don't worry, the fucking Steelers will lose to the Browns.

we can only hope!

RedKingGold · 12-07-2009, 12:32 PM

I'm rooting for the Browns to get it...just so they can struggle with the decision to draft another over-hyped Notre Dame prospect to be their franchise quarterback of the future.

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Don't worry, the fucking Steelers will lose to the Browns.

It'll go from unleashing hell to hell freezing over.

DaddyTorgo · 12-07-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

I'm rooting for the Browns to get it...just so they can struggle with the decision to draft another over-hyped Notre Dame prospect to be their franchise quarterback of the future.

Matthean · 12-07-2009, 11:58 PM

For those wondering, SOS is the first tie breaker unless a playoff and non-playoff team are involved.

NFL Draft - Determining NFL Draft Order

Samdari · 12-08-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

For those wondering, SOS is the first tie breaker unless a playoff and non-playoff team are involved.

NFL Draft - Determining NFL Draft Order

I knew that - I don't really feel like calculating it.

Logan · 12-08-2009, 09:29 AM

And of course, it goes by lowest SOS.

Samdari · 12-08-2009, 10:54 AM

Found someone who HAS calculated this, and they have Cleveland with the lowest, then TB, then STL.

I expect Cleveland to keep this, with KC and Oak on the schedule. Of course, that actually presents them with two opportunities for wins, and screwing up the pick.

TB has NO and no horrible teams on the schedule, so they could end up worse than STL, who has teams with largely mediocre records upcoming.

I see the draft order ending STL, TB, Cleve, with the picks being Suh, Gerald McCoy and Locker.

Matthean · 12-08-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Found someone who HAS calculated this, and they have Cleveland with the lowest, then TB, then STL.

I expect Cleveland to keep this, with KC and Oak on the schedule. Of course, that actually presents them with two opportunities for wins, and screwing up the pick.

TB has NO and no horrible teams on the schedule, so they could end up worse than STL, who has teams with largely mediocre records upcoming.

I see the draft order ending STL, TB, Cleve, with the picks being Suh, Gerald McCoy and Locker.

Why would Cleveland and Tampa Bay take QBs when they recently invested in 1st round QBs?

bhlloy · 12-08-2009, 11:38 AM

Gerald McCoy is a DT. But yeah, I don't see Cleveland taking a QB either. Quinn has actually looked pretty decent in the last couple of weeks IMO.

Passacaglia · 12-08-2009, 12:02 PM

And why wouldn't St. Louis take a QB?

B & B · 12-08-2009, 12:39 PM

StLouis will take a QB. Locker or Bradford.

Cle and TB will not be selecting a QB.

Samdari · 12-08-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And why wouldn't St. Louis take a QB?

Oh, they need a QB, I agree. But, if they are at 1, and there is not a #1 overall worthy QB, why wouldn't they take the best player in the draft, who also happens to play a need position, instead of a QB?

If St. Louis picks third, and Suh is gone, I think they'd take Locker.

Why would Cleveland take a QB? Because by April he will be the choice of the guy two GM's ago, and he is not a starting caliber NFL QB?

The last part may be up for debate, but the first part is not. Regime changes tend to bring about 'franchise QB' changes, and Cleveland seems poised to have the most complete changing of the guard in the football operation we have seen in many years. They will even change the ushers. Its never too early to give up on the last guys' players.

Passacaglia · 12-08-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Oh, they need a QB, I agree. But, if they are at 1, and there is not a #1 overall worthy QB, why wouldn't they take the best player in the draft, who also happens to play a need position, instead of a QB?

For the same reason every other team that picks #1 doesn't?

path12 · 12-08-2009, 02:37 PM

Wow. Locker in top 3? I like him, but he's at least three years away from being effective at the pro level IMO.

Solecismic · 12-08-2009, 02:38 PM

It's far too close to call between the 1-11 teams right now.

Opponent victories so far:

Cleveland 102, St. Louis 105, Tampa Bay 108. Detroit's at 102 as well.

Strength of schedule for remaining games:

Cleveland .417, St. Louis .479, Tampa Bay .604. Detroit's at .500.

If expected favorites win each remaining game:

1. Tampa Bay, 2. St. Louis, 3. Cleveland (could well be favored over Oakland at home, though would be 1st with a loss), 4. Washington, 5. Detroit, (KC 8th).

Warhammer · 12-08-2009, 08:01 PM

I like Locker, but I think the Rams would be nuts to take him.

tarcone · 12-08-2009, 08:11 PM

There is no doubt St Louis takes a QB. Bulger is done. He will be cut this offseason. Clausen will be the pick for the Rams. Bradfords injury scares teams and esp the Rams with the recent history of injured QBs. Locker will not be the pick.
Clausen to the Rams. Book it.

flere-imsaho · 12-09-2009, 09:07 AM

Clausen & Weis to the Rams actually makes some sense.

MizzouRah · 12-09-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

There is no doubt St Louis takes a QB. Bulger is done. He will be cut this offseason. Clausen will be the pick for the Rams. Bradfords injury scares teams and esp the Rams with the recent history of injured QBs. Locker will not be the pick.
Clausen to the Rams. Book it.

I hope you're wrong.. I think they pick Suh if he's available or Dez Bryant if Suh is not available. Too many iffy QB's in the draft.. they can pick one in the 2nd round.

tarcone · 12-09-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I hope you're wrong.. I think they pick Suh if he's available or Dez Bryant if Suh is not available. Too many iffy QB's in the draft.. they can pick one in the 2nd round.

I think the only way this happens is if Boller shows something in the last few games. Or Null comes in and proves to be something usable. But with a new coach, he will want to get his own guy.

I could see Suh, since Spags is a D coach, but you cant win with a DT and no QB.

Samdari · 12-10-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I hope you're wrong.. I think they pick Suh if he's available or Dez Bryant if Suh is not available. Too many iffy QB's in the draft.. they can pick one in the 2nd round.

I agree with you that there are at least 6-7 players in this draft better than the best QB. But, what QB do you think you'll get in the second round?

I am certain Locker, Clausen and Bradford will be gone. There seems a good possibility that Tebow would be gone too. You want McCoy leading your team. You might be better off with Vick.

kcchief19 · 12-10-2009, 11:53 AM

St. Louis has a ridonculous schedule -- they are the only team near the bottom with no game in which they seemingly have a chance. Everybody else has some winnable games. Cleveland gets a plunging Pittsburgh at home, at Kansas City then Oakland and Jacksonville at home. Heck, Cleveland could go 3-1 without a lot of work.

If I'm the Rams I trade down. They have more problems than one No. 1 will solve, and they need a QB in a year in which no QB deserves to go No. 1.

So trade the pick to Oakland for an assload of picks so Al Davis can get nuts and draft Tim Tebow and the Rams can get a promising QB and fill some other holes.

kcchief19 · 12-10-2009, 11:54 AM

And I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who lets Suh pass by them can simly turn in their NFL membership card. Assuming he doesn't get hurt, he will anchor a defensive line for someone until 2020.

Bigsmooth · 12-14-2009, 02:30 PM

Just released by the UW:

Locker will come back for his Senior season.

Crazy considering McShay's most recent mock draft has him going #1 overall. Wow, great news for the Huskies!

HeavyReign · 12-14-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmooth

Just released by the UW:

Locker will come back for his Senior season.

Crazy considering McShay's most recent mock draft has him going #1 overall. Wow, great news for the Huskies!

Passacaglia · 12-14-2009, 02:44 PM

That probably decreases the Lions chances of getting Suh. Drat.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-14-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That probably decreases the Lions chances of getting Suh. Drat.

Samdari · 12-14-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That probably decreases the Lions chances of getting Suh. Drat.

I think there is no chance he makes it to them no matter who is in the draft, assuming they climb no higher than 4th.

Passacaglia · 12-14-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I think there is no chance he makes it to them no matter who is in the draft, assuming they climb no higher than 4th.

I could see it. Take Locker, Clausen, and one guy with "intangibles" and Suh falls to 4.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-14-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I think there is no chance he makes it to them no matter who is in the draft, assuming they climb no higher than 4th.

I think it's pretty slim too, but you never know. After the combine and all the obsessing that goes on between the end of bowl season and the actual draft, crazier things have happened.

Samdari · 12-14-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I could see it. Take Locker, Clausen, and one guy with "intangibles" and Suh falls to 4.

I could see the quarterbacks going to Cleveland and St. Louis. Don't think its likely, but teams bypass better players for QBs all the time.

But Tampa? Not a chance Suh gets by them, whether they have 1,2 or 3.

I don't think you often see guys being taken on 'intangibles' in the top 3.

DeToxRox · 12-14-2009, 04:00 PM

If you want Suh you better pick first because someone is going to trade up for him regardless.

Lions are going to get my man love Eric Berry based on their new found allegiance to BPA. He will be the BPA and though it is odd to have two amazing safeties, it's the easiest way to fix this sieve secondary.

If Cleveland beats KC this weekend (which is entirely possible) Detroit moves up to 3. I now actually expect them to stay there come the draft.

RedKingGold · 12-14-2009, 06:03 PM

Suh has to be the #1 overall pick at this point, regardless of the team with the first overall selection. (unless injury, total unpreparedness at combine/workout, or arrest).

MizzouRah · 12-14-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I think the only way this happens is if Boller shows something in the last few games. Or Null comes in and proves to be something usable. But with a new coach, he will want to get his own guy.

I could see Suh, since Spags is a D coach, but you cant win with a DT and no QB.

My thoughts are we stay with Bulger.. yeah, I'm not a fan.. at ALL.. BUT Jackson only has maybe 3 years left and I'd take Dez Bryant, which would give you 3 good WR's for him to throw to and then grab a OL in the second round.

I don't think our defense is that bad.. maybe get a good FA or two in that department.

MizzouRah · 12-14-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I agree with you that there are at least 6-7 players in this draft better than the best QB. But, what QB do you think you'll get in the second round?

I am certain Locker, Clausen and Bradford will be gone. There seems a good possibility that Tebow would be gone too. You want McCoy leading your team. You might be better off with Vick.

I'd rather stay with poop head Bulger at this point - our greatest asset, Steven Jackson doesn't have that many years left - we need offense NOW!

MizzouRah · 12-14-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

St. Louis has a ridonculous schedule -- they are the only team near the bottom with no game in which they seemingly have a chance. Everybody else has some winnable games. Cleveland gets a plunging Pittsburgh at home, at Kansas City then Oakland and Jacksonville at home. Heck, Cleveland could go 3-1 without a lot of work.

If I'm the Rams I trade down. They have more problems than one No. 1 will solve, and they need a QB in a year in which no QB deserves to go No. 1.

So trade the pick to Oakland for an assload of picks so Al Davis can get nuts and draft Tim Tebow and the Rams can get a promising QB and fill some other holes.

Not a bad idea really.. you're right, we need a TON of players.. at least on offense.

Samdari · 12-15-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'd rather stay with poop head Bulger at this point - our greatest asset, Steven Jackson doesn't have that many years left - we need offense NOW!

I was serious about Vick. I don't think Philly pays his bonus and keeps him next year, and I think the Rams would score more points with him next year than any other option.

I was responding to the thought that the Rams take Suh 1st and pick up a QB in the 2nd. I did not think one would be available. Then again, McCoy might be, and might be worth an early 2. But, why not sign Vick for 2010 AND draft McCoy with the 2.1-2.2?

DaddyTorgo · 12-15-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I was serious about Vick. I don't think Philly pays his bonus and keeps him next year, and I think the Rams would score more points with him next year than any other option.

I was responding to the thought that the Rams take Suh 1st and pick up a QB in the 2nd. I did not think one would be available. Then again, McCoy might be, and might be worth an early 2. But, why not sign Vick for 2010 AND draft McCoy with the 2.1-2.2?

i wish nothing but misery and an 0-16 season on any organization that signs mike vick

Samdari · 12-15-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i wish nothing but misery and an 0-16 season on any organization that signs mike vick

The NFL is not about morality, its about wins.

I gotta think Vick gives them more offense than Bulger. And he'd be far better behind a leaky offensive line.

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12-07-2009, 11:54 AM	#6
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Cleveland needs so much, it's hard to know where to begin. I'm sure the fans will just hope that they don't make a mistake of Couch-esque proportions again. __________________ My listening habits

12-07-2009, 11:59 AM	#8
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	I think the 3-9 teams are completely out of it. Who would get it when (oops, I mean if) Cleveland and St. Louis tie at 1-15? That's my pick. And could either really take the guy looking like the best player in the draft? Suh has got to play DT in the 4-3, so he's a poor fit in Cleveland (although who knows what Mangini's successor will run). And can St Louis really sell a 3rd defensive lineman/4th lineman in 4 years to their fans? __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

12-07-2009, 12:09 PM	#9
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Depends on how tie breakers go, but I really have a hard time thinking about anything Tampa Bay would have to give me hope. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table. Last edited by Matthean : 12-07-2009 at 12:10 PM.

12-07-2009, 11:58 PM	#15
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	For those wondering, SOS is the first tie breaker unless a playoff and non-playoff team are involved. NFL Draft - Determining NFL Draft Order __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-07-2009, 11:49 AM	#2
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	1. Cleveland 2. Tampa Bay 3. St Louis 4. Detroit Then probably the chiefs to round out the top 5?

12-07-2009, 11:49 AM	#3
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I fully expect the top 5 to be: 1. STL 2. CLE 3. TB 4. DET 5. KC

12-07-2009, 11:51 AM	#4
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	After filling this out, I can't believe the Raiders have 4 wins.

12-07-2009, 11:51 AM	#5
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Can't wait. Barring any crazy runs, Niners should have two picks in the 10-15 range which will hopefully be used to address the OL.

12-07-2009, 11:57 AM	#7
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Tampa - I think Brady Quinn wins a couple of games for the Browns before the end of the season. He really looked pretty good (1 fumble aside) against the Chargers.

12-07-2009, 12:16 PM	#10
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Don't worry, the fucking Steelers will lose to the Browns.

12-07-2009, 12:32 PM	#12
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	I'm rooting for the Browns to get it...just so they can struggle with the decision to draft another over-hyped Notre Dame prospect to be their franchise quarterback of the future.

12-08-2009, 09:29 AM	#17
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	And of course, it goes by lowest SOS.

12-08-2009, 10:54 AM	#18
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	Found someone who HAS calculated this, and they have Cleveland with the lowest, then TB, then STL. I expect Cleveland to keep this, with KC and Oak on the schedule. Of course, that actually presents them with two opportunities for wins, and screwing up the pick. TB has NO and no horrible teams on the schedule, so they could end up worse than STL, who has teams with largely mediocre records upcoming. I see the draft order ending STL, TB, Cleve, with the picks being Suh, Gerald McCoy and Locker. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

12-08-2009, 11:38 AM	#20
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Gerald McCoy is a DT. But yeah, I don't see Cleveland taking a QB either. Quinn has actually looked pretty decent in the last couple of weeks IMO. Last edited by bhlloy : 12-08-2009 at 11:38 AM.

12-08-2009, 12:02 PM	#21
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	And why wouldn't St. Louis take a QB?

12-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#22
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	StLouis will take a QB. Locker or Bradford. Cle and TB will not be selecting a QB. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

12-08-2009, 02:37 PM	#25
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Wow. Locker in top 3? I like him, but he's at least three years away from being effective at the pro level IMO. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-08-2009, 02:38 PM	#26
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	It's far too close to call between the 1-11 teams right now. Opponent victories so far: Cleveland 102, St. Louis 105, Tampa Bay 108. Detroit's at 102 as well. Strength of schedule for remaining games: Cleveland .417, St. Louis .479, Tampa Bay .604. Detroit's at .500. If expected favorites win each remaining game: 1. Tampa Bay, 2. St. Louis, 3. Cleveland (could well be favored over Oakland at home, though would be 1st with a loss), 4. Washington, 5. Detroit, (KC 8th).

12-08-2009, 08:01 PM	#27
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I like Locker, but I think the Rams would be nuts to take him.

12-08-2009, 08:11 PM	#28
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	There is no doubt St Louis takes a QB. Bulger is done. He will be cut this offseason. Clausen will be the pick for the Rams. Bradfords injury scares teams and esp the Rams with the recent history of injured QBs. Locker will not be the pick. Clausen to the Rams. Book it.

12-09-2009, 09:07 AM	#29
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Clausen & Weis to the Rams actually makes some sense.

12-10-2009, 11:53 AM	#33
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	St. Louis has a ridonculous schedule -- they are the only team near the bottom with no game in which they seemingly have a chance. Everybody else has some winnable games. Cleveland gets a plunging Pittsburgh at home, at Kansas City then Oakland and Jacksonville at home. Heck, Cleveland could go 3-1 without a lot of work. If I'm the Rams I trade down. They have more problems than one No. 1 will solve, and they need a QB in a year in which no QB deserves to go No. 1. So trade the pick to Oakland for an assload of picks so Al Davis can get nuts and draft Tim Tebow and the Rams can get a promising QB and fill some other holes.

12-10-2009, 11:54 AM	#34
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	And I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who lets Suh pass by them can simly turn in their NFL membership card. Assuming he doesn't get hurt, he will anchor a defensive line for someone until 2020.

12-14-2009, 02:30 PM	#35
Bigsmooth College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006	Just released by the UW: Locker will come back for his Senior season. Crazy considering McShay's most recent mock draft has him going #1 overall. Wow, great news for the Huskies! Last edited by Bigsmooth : 12-14-2009 at 02:32 PM.

12-14-2009, 02:44 PM	#37
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	That probably decreases the Lions chances of getting Suh. Drat.

12-14-2009, 04:00 PM	#43
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	If you want Suh you better pick first because someone is going to trade up for him regardless. Lions are going to get my man love Eric Berry based on their new found allegiance to BPA. He will be the BPA and though it is odd to have two amazing safeties, it's the easiest way to fix this sieve secondary. If Cleveland beats KC this weekend (which is entirely possible) Detroit moves up to 3. I now actually expect them to stay there come the draft.

12-14-2009, 06:03 PM	#44
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Suh has to be the #1 overall pick at this point, regardless of the team with the first overall selection. (unless injury, total unpreparedness at combine/workout, or arrest).

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