CNN vs FOX

Tarkus · 04-09-2003, 12:04 AM

I'm well aware that FOX represents my views more than CNN but I tuned into CNN last night just to see to what they were up to. I have to tell you I was not impressed. I just don't like the way their coverage is formatted. There reporting seemed boring and not at all presented in a interesting manner. Is there someone less biased that watches both of these and can give me another view. I'm not talking so much about slant and I am about content and presentation.

Tarkus

Craptacular · 04-09-2003, 12:16 AM

My quick and dirty general views on the Big 3 cable news networks:

CNN: old-school, professional, loves "human-interest" stories,

Fox: brash, opinionated, all about hype

MSNBC: kind of a mix of the other two; I think they are very professional, but still seem to go after a younger audience than CNN; also has some of the hottest women in news

astralhaze · 04-09-2003, 12:27 AM

I agree with Craptacular. I get my news from Google news. Can't stand to watch the shit on TV.

Draft Dodger · 04-09-2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
I agree with Craptacular. I get my news from Google news. Can't stand to watch the shit on TV.

astralhaze and I always agree.

MSNBC is doable in a pinch.
CNN is sad to watch, considering how it USED to be a viable news channel. Now it sucks in all it's bling-bling glory.
FOX isn't news. Never has been, never will be. People who watch FOX for "news" are the same people who watch Big Brother for "entertainment". Losers.

mrskippy · 04-09-2003, 01:51 AM

Fox News all the way baby!!!

CNN is the world's news channel. Fox is America's news channel.

MSNBC ... just plain sucks!!!

Tarkus · 04-09-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
astralhaze and I always agree.

FOX isn't news. Never has been, never will be. People who watch FOX for "news" are the same people who watch Big Brother for "entertainment". Losers.

Oh, so now you're calling me a loser?

Serioulsy (I hope you were kidding before), I'm not sure why you make that statement about FOX. At least as regards the war I got a lot better information from the FOX telecast than I did watching CNN.

Tarkus

EagleFan · 04-09-2003, 03:02 AM

True, FOX is much more entertaining to watch than CNN. A couple weeks back they were the only channel that wasn't catering to the crowd that was complaining about the war strategy and how they weren't prepared and how the war was going to be so much longer than expected.

As it turns out, they were the only ones without the egg on their face at this point.

Plus the other channels were so quick to hype the quote about the enemy using different tactics than planned, but seemed so quiet after that was shown to be an incorrect quote.

Either way, I am tired of hearing al the Monday morning generals in their lazy-boy trying to explain everything to death.

But the most entertaining thing is the Information Minister giving his press conferences. That guy has a good career ahead of him if he survives this thing.

Mullin · 04-09-2003, 06:10 AM

I have to agree about the Iraqi Information Minister hehe

Though the 7th or 8th time of hearing "These criminals, these mercenaries, these liars" gets a little tiresome. He needs to think of some new ones but he definitely is entertaining

Ben E Lou · 04-09-2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by Mullin
I have to agree about the Iraqi Information Minister hehe

Though the 7th or 8th time of hearing "These criminals, these mercenaries, these liars" gets a little tiresome. He needs to think of some new ones but he definitely is entertaining

He didn't show up for his briefing today.

Mega · 04-09-2003, 07:15 AM

Yes he did. He showed up and his briefing was quite thourough, informative and accurate. In fact, he is currently being hailed as the greatest Information Minister of all time. Oh, and the Iraqi ransacking of D.C. is almost complete. Through his amazing information "skillz", he has finally brought "the Great Devil" to its knees.

Bee · 04-09-2003, 07:40 AM

MSNBC seems to have the best coverage IMO. They always seem to be ahead of the other two in breaking new stories. CNN is so far behind, it's like reading the newspaper the next day.

04-09-2003, 10:07 AM

I really don't appreciate the fact that CNN has chosen to ignore the Vice President this morning by not even playing the audio of his speech. This is very unprofessional.

Radii · 04-09-2003, 10:20 AM

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Those are the ones just copied and pasted 15 seconds ago. How long until I can increase my penis size and breast size just by clicking on links from fox news?!

Other than that... CNN is too liberal, fox is too conservative and I get the disgusted feeling that they don't care about the stories at all they're just trying to one-up the other. Google news has been suggested to me multiple times now, I think it's time to give that a try.

tucker342 · 04-09-2003, 06:42 PM

I can't stand fox news. I've been really impressed with MSNBCs coverage

vtbub · 04-09-2003, 07:16 PM

FOX is a little too rah-rah for my tastes, in any event I flip between them all.

CamEdwards · 04-09-2003, 07:59 PM

i don't like Fox's anchors (except for the lovely and talented Patty Ann Brown... yowza!!), but I really like their reporters.

Greg Kelly and Rick Levanthal have done really good work in the field, as has Chris Klein (I think that's his name) in Northern Iraq.

One of their guys in Doha, Qutar is always flirting with Kelly O'Donnell (the redheaded hottie from NBC) before the CentCom briefings begin. Lucky bastard!

Geraldo sucks, but what are you gonna do.

And please, please, if there is a God.. send Shepard Smith to Access Hollywood as soon as you can.

mrskippy · 04-09-2003, 10:29 PM

For you DirecTV customers:

Do you think Rupert will make a switcharoo between CNN (202) and Fox News (360) on the dial?

My guess is yes, because it'll give Fox News a hot position on the dial and increase its visibility.

CNN is at the top of the 200s. Fox News is buried in the 300s.

And before you say there is no strategy to it. CNN is one of the easiest channels to find. It's one of the first channels to come up when you install DirecTV (you start at 200 if I remember) and they typically use 202 to see if you're account is setup.

AgPete · 04-09-2003, 10:42 PM

I watch CNN for the basic facts and stats. FOX News is okay to watch when I want some entertainment value which I sometimes do because CNN can get boring. For shows, I prefer CNN over FOX hands down. Crossfire has always been one of my favorite shows. I watch Bill O'Reilly for an hour and walk away empty but Larry King is still good depending on whom he interviews. Honestly, I've never seen enough MSNBC to form an opinion of it. As far as the networks, Nightline is still the champ and 60 Minutes has some good stories. I group 20/20, 48 Hours, Primetime Live and the rest of them together. Occasional good stories with a bunch of junk inbetween. I'm a big fan of NPR Radio and PBS. I still prefer the print media over all television and radio though.

Ben E Lou · 04-10-2003, 12:31 AM

I don't normally watch Fox, but it was fun to watch some good ol' rah-rah commentary with the Iraqis celebrating today.

GrantDawg · 04-10-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by CamEdwards

And please, please, if there is a God.. send Shepard Smith to Access Hollywood as soon as you can.

I just lost a lot of respect for you, Cam. Shep is a trip. I'm not crazy about most of the other anchors (please, CNN, take Greta back!), but I like Shep. Of course my wife has a crush on him and that gets a little annoying.

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from AgPete: I watch Bill O'Reilly for an hour and walk away empty but Larry King is still good depending on whom he interviews.

I agree with the slam on O'Reilly for the most part, but you like King? That guy is just un-watchable in my book and throws the worse softball questions I've ever seen. The best interviewer in my book is Tim Russert. Hands down.

Dutch · 04-10-2003, 03:13 AM

Here's an idea.

If you appreciate Fox News you are a Republican. If you appreciate CNN you are a Democrat.

I especially noticed it yesterday evening (I'm an hour behind Baghdad time) when Fox News was showing the statue of Saddam Hussein first get draped in our flag (to cheers), then in the Iraqi flag (to wild cheers), and then the statue was torn down (to mayhem and jubilation).

Afterwards, I switch to CNN where they were reporting, "An American Soldier put up an American flag on the Hussein statue in Central Baghad, and then realizing what he had done, quickly took it down angering many in the Arab world for what they fear is American Imperialism."

Give me a break. Then they went into length about some Democrat who heads the Foreign Relations Committee about the horrible things that are about to come and followed up by Tom Dashle blasting US policy. At the end of the report they were courteous enough to give President Bush a one liner and the reporters filled in the blanks for what that meant. Thanks alot CNN.

But if CNN thinks that envoking trouble ahead is the way to go, they are dead wrong. A world without Saddam Hussein will not be worse than a world with him. Let's get with the program a little, CNN.

And BTW,

If you like Larry King, you are a liberal. If you like O'Reilly, you are a conservative.

GrantDawg · 04-10-2003, 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by Dutch

If you like Larry King, you are a liberal. If you like O'Reilly, you are a conservative.

I don't like either one. What does that make me?

Dutch, how is all this playing in Turkey right now? Do you have very much interaction with the people there (or are you even still there)?

CamEdwards · 04-10-2003, 06:34 AM

Sorry to disappoint you, Grant. I firmly believe there needs to be a distinction between commentators like Neal Cavuto and the news guys like Shepard Smith, but Shepard doesn't only blur the line, he crosses it.

He's funny, he's likeable, etc... but either give him a show where he's not the "news guy" or pack him off to do entertainment news.

Dutch · 04-10-2003, 07:02 AM

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I don't like either one. What does that make me?

Beats me, but "sane" comes to mind.

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Dutch, how is all this playing in Turkey right now? Do you have very much interaction with the people there (or are you even still there)?

I have quite a bit of interactions with the locals. Yes, I still live here.

The Turks were very concerned that there would be another outpouring of refugees into their country and their economy would be devastated.

But as it's turning out, the refugees are busy planning their new lives in Iraq, the economy hasn't been affected at all, and now their is hope that a free Iraq will strengthen their economy by providing trade again.

They may not be singing the praises of the USA and the UK, but they seem hopeful that things are going to get a whole lot better for them soon.

We will see.

Ksyrup · 04-10-2003, 08:39 AM

Clearly, CNN = Democrat and Fox News = Republican. Which is why Fox News is actually being watched these days. Dems are out of favor and thus, so is CNN.

When the political climate in this country changes (and it will, who knows when), you'll likely see a switch back, unless either of them makes some changes between now and then. I see this same dynamic with law firms in Tallahassee and the parties running state government. When the Dems were in charge in the mid-90's, the firms with close ties to them were in demand. Now, those same firms are out of favor and breaking up because no one will come near them for business. I'm just lucky enough to be in a firm on the upswing.

On the O'Reilly/King issue, if you like O'Reilly, you're a conservative. If you like King, you've just got bad taste, regardless of political persuasion.

Arles · 04-10-2003, 10:02 AM

I don't buy this "Conservatives watch Fox, liberals watch CNN" stuff. IMO, because Fox actually provides intelligent, well-spoken conservatives they are branded as a conservative station. Prior to Fox, the only well-spoken conservative I could come up with on ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN was George Will.

But, most shows that I watch on Fox give you well-spoken opinions from both the left and the right perspective. On Fox, you will get conservative commentators like Newt Gengrich, Sean Hannity, Bill Bennett, and Fred Barnes. But, you will also get liberals like Alan Combs, Cici Connely (Washington Post), Maura Liason (NPR) and Juan Williams. All are well-spoken and have the ability to make good points from their perspective. Compare that to CNN where conservatives are like Tucker Carlson or Robert Novak.

Fox does have a conservative "bias" in their main anchors (Brit Hume, Tony Snow...), but they always have guests and opinion panels with the other side's perspective. If you guys ever get a chance to watch Hannity and Combs, I say check it out. It's what Crossfire was meant to be when it was created. Not this stack the questions and commentators with liberals and throw in a token conservative with little arguing ability (like Tucker) that it has become now.

When you look at the ratings, either 75+% of the cable news-watching crowd is conservative or there is some crossover in their audience. I just feel that most Americans would rather see their news with a slightly optimistic tone than the "We Americans are evil" tone you get on CNN, regardless of party affiliation.

Arlie

Cuckoo · 04-10-2003, 10:27 AM

Well said Arles.

AgPete · 04-10-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
I agree with the slam on O'Reilly for the most part, but you like King? That guy is just un-watchable in my book and throws the worse softball questions I've ever seen. The best interviewer in my book is Tim Russert. Hands down.

You know what I like best about Larry King? He just interviews people. He doesn't try to force out tabloid headlines, he doesn't stick to one area unless he states that's why his guests are there. He asks the basic questions that maybe aren't as glamorous but are interesting to know. He doesn't try to interrupt his guests, hog the glory or create a media circus. He can have some boring guests, especially when he gets sentimental about old school Hollywood, but I still learn a lot about the person he's interviewing. Whereas on Bill O'Reilly, I discover that any idiot off the street can represent a cause.

Craptacular · 04-10-2003, 10:55 AM

I'm really screwed up now ... I'm a conservative, but usually watch CNN or MSNBC. I'll channel surf to Fox News every once in a while, but will usually only stick with it for a story or two. If I had to pick one station to just leave on, it would probably be MSNBC, unless ABC News has continuous coverage or Nightline on.

vtbub · 04-10-2003, 02:16 PM

I'm a Democrat that likes O'Reilly and thinks Larry King is pretty unwatchable unless there is hard news breaking.

Ben E Lou · 04-10-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
I'm really screwed up now ... I'm a conservative, but usually watch CNN or MSNBC. I'll channel surf to Fox News every once in a while, but will usually only stick with it for a story or two. If I had to pick one station to just leave on, it would probably be MSNBC, unless ABC News has continuous coverage or Nightline on.

I tend to watch CNN mainly also. As I mentioned earlier, I like to turn on Fox when some good ol' cheerleading enhances the scene (like yesterday). It was just flat-out fun to hear them saying things while watching the statue come down like "I wonder what Chirac is thinking right now."

RawIsDan · 04-10-2003, 02:26 PM

Yeah, Fox can be funny at times. Once the anchor said they had a lead on where Saddam was and put up a pic of him with the Dixie Chicks...lol.

SoundOff · 04-10-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Arles
I don't buy this "Conservatives watch Fox, liberals watch CNN" stuff. IMO, because Fox actually provides intelligent, well-spoken conservatives they are branded as a conservative station. Prior to Fox, the only well-spoken conservative I could come up with on ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN was George Will.

But, most shows that I watch on Fox give you well-spoken opinions from both the left and the right perspective. On Fox, you will get conservative commentators like Newt Gengrich, Sean Hannity, Bill Bennett, and Fred Barnes. But, you will also get liberals like Alan Combs, Cici Connely (Washington Post), Maura Liason (NPR) and Juan Williams. All are well-spoken and have the ability to make good points from their perspective. Compare that to CNN where conservatives are like Tucker Carlson or Robert Novak.

Fox does have a conservative "bias" in their main anchors (Brit Hume, Tony Snow...), but they always have guests and opinion panels with the other side's perspective. If you guys ever get a chance to watch Hannity and Combs, I say check it out. It's what Crossfire was meant to be when it was created. Not this stack the questions and commentators with liberals and throw in a token conservative with little arguing ability (like Tucker) that it has become now.

When you look at the ratings, either 75+% of the cable news-watching crowd is conservative or there is some crossover in their audience. I just feel that most Americans would rather see their news with a slightly optimistic tone than the "We Americans are evil" tone you get on CNN, regardless of party affiliation.

Arlie

From a veteran who served his country for twenty years--and no, that doesn't make me any more or less patriotic than you libs, so keep your flames to yourself--- I thank you for that perspective. My son is serving there right now, and I'm sure he and others don't take kindly to America bashing, either.

Bill

Radii · 04-10-2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by RawIsDan
Yeah, Fox can be funny at times. Once the anchor said they had a lead on where Saddam was and put up a pic of him with the Dixie Chicks...lol.

Amsuing, but not something a fair and balanced news station would ever do. That's something the Daily show would do(and really, SHOULD do if they haven't already

).

Though perhaps I'm assuming the wrong thing here... is this part of a show dedicated to commentary that is clearly not attempting to provide news, or was this part of the "fair and balanced" news broadcasts...

The more I see about Fox News, the more I feel that they're not a reputable news service at all, more of a tabloid. I keep going back to the advertising space. At present its:

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JonInMiddleGA · 04-10-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Arles When you look at the ratings, either 75+% of the cable news-watching crowd is conservative or there is some crossover in their audience. I just feel that most Americans would rather see their news with a slightly optimistic tone than the "We Americans are evil" tone you get on CNN, regardless of party affiliation.

Pretty damn good take, if you don't mind me saying so.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-10-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Radii
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What site are you looking at, because all I see on the FoxNews frontpage is Bosley Medical Center, an x10 remote control ad, a real estate ad and something called "The Video Professor". And that's pretty much the same flight of ads I normally see there.

I can think of several possibilities to account for the massive difference in the ad content we seem to be seeing:

1) Our cookies are routing dramatically different ads to us based on whatever info they've collected.

2) We're looking at two entirely different sites

3) Are you accessing them via a 3rd party portal perhaps? I just go straight to foxnews.com , is that where you're seeing this content?

Radii · 04-10-2003, 08:15 PM

bottom center/left, they're not image ads like the x10 one, they're just text links at the bottom.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-10-2003, 08:25 PM

I see 'em now Radii, honest to goodness didn't see them until you pointed out where they were. Shows you how my eyesight is getting these days.

Radii · 04-10-2003, 09:25 PM

I'm a website snob, I dont want popups, I don't want music, and I don't want ads that I get in my spam inbox every 30 minutes either... seeing a service that I assume is trying to be reputable advertise that kind of thing just drops them a notch in my book. Hearing them say "fair and balanced" every 30 seconds makes me want to barf too. If they said "watch us if you hate democrats" instead of "fair and balanced" my respect for them would increase tenfold.

All of that said, don't get me wrong, I am sick as hell of both fox and cnn. All they care about at this point is one-upping the other, not news. those who suggested google news, I <3 you all

ISiddiqui · 04-11-2003, 02:25 AM

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If you appreciate Fox News you are a Republican. If you appreciate CNN you are a Democrat.

Utter BS. Simply because I don't like the sensationalist drivel known as Fox News doesn't mean I'm a Democrat

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Dutch · 04-11-2003, 01:40 PM

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Utter BS.

No, it's totally true. You must've confused me with somebody who's wrong when he stereotypes.

aquavit · 04-11-2003, 07:32 PM

Fox News is brash with a strong conservative bias to the point of being a propaganda machine for that agenda, which is disturbing (IMHO!). CNN is meak and falling over themselves to offend no one from either side instead of just being a normal centrist channel and in doing that are extremely crap.

Personally, I try to just get my news in print because the US news channels are so poor. I especially like the Economist (conservative) and the Guardian (liberal).

Dutch · 04-12-2003, 09:57 AM

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I especially like the Economist (conservative) and the Guardian (liberal).

Not that I read those newspapers, but that's the way to do it.

If you are really concerned, read as much as you can from different sources.

04-09-2003, 12:27 AM	#3
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	I agree with Craptacular. I get my news from Google news. Can't stand to watch the shit on TV. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

04-09-2003, 03:02 AM	#7
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	True, FOX is much more entertaining to watch than CNN. A couple weeks back they were the only channel that wasn't catering to the crowd that was complaining about the war strategy and how they weren't prepared and how the war was going to be so much longer than expected. As it turns out, they were the only ones without the egg on their face at this point. Plus the other channels were so quick to hype the quote about the enemy using different tactics than planned, but seemed so quiet after that was shown to be an incorrect quote. Either way, I am tired of hearing al the Monday morning generals in their lazy-boy trying to explain everything to death. But the most entertaining thing is the Information Minister giving his press conferences. That guy has a good career ahead of him if he survives this thing. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

04-09-2003, 10:20 AM	#13
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	My favorite part of fox news is the advertising space on their website: Free Jelly Beans Stock Timing: Up 600%+ $231ForReadingEmail! Rx: Diet,Sleep,Viag,More Free ChexSystems Help Get a Free Phone Card FIND Anyones EMAIL TOTALLY FREE! Buy this link this month!! Those are the ones just copied and pasted 15 seconds ago. How long until I can increase my penis size and breast size just by clicking on links from fox news?! Other than that... CNN is too liberal, fox is too conservative and I get the disgusted feeling that they don't care about the stories at all they're just trying to one-up the other. Google news has been suggested to me multiple times now, I think it's time to give that a try. Last edited by Radii : 04-09-2003 at 10:20 AM.

04-09-2003, 07:16 PM	#15
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	FOX is a little too rah-rah for my tastes, in any event I flip between them all. __________________

04-09-2003, 07:59 PM	#16
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	i don't like Fox's anchors (except for the lovely and talented Patty Ann Brown... yowza!!), but I really like their reporters. Greg Kelly and Rick Levanthal have done really good work in the field, as has Chris Klein (I think that's his name) in Northern Iraq. One of their guys in Doha, Qutar is always flirting with Kelly O'Donnell (the redheaded hottie from NBC) before the CentCom briefings begin. Lucky bastard! Geraldo sucks, but what are you gonna do. And please, please, if there is a God.. send Shepard Smith to Access Hollywood as soon as you can. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

04-09-2003, 12:16 AM	#2
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	My quick and dirty general views on the Big 3 cable news networks: CNN: old-school, professional, loves "human-interest" stories, Fox: brash, opinionated, all about hype MSNBC: kind of a mix of the other two; I think they are very professional, but still seem to go after a younger audience than CNN; also has some of the hottest women in news

04-09-2003, 01:51 AM	#5
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Fox News all the way baby!!! CNN is the world's news channel. Fox is America's news channel. MSNBC ... just plain sucks!!!

04-09-2003, 06:10 AM	#8
Mullin n00b Join Date: Dec 2001	I have to agree about the Iraqi Information Minister hehe Though the 7th or 8th time of hearing "These criminals, these mercenaries, these liars" gets a little tiresome. He needs to think of some new ones but he definitely is entertaining

04-09-2003, 07:15 AM	#10
Mega n00b Join Date: Apr 2003	Yes he did. He showed up and his briefing was quite thourough, informative and accurate. In fact, he is currently being hailed as the greatest Information Minister of all time. Oh, and the Iraqi ransacking of D.C. is almost complete. Through his amazing information "skillz", he has finally brought "the Great Devil" to its knees.

04-09-2003, 07:40 AM	#11
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	MSNBC seems to have the best coverage IMO. They always seem to be ahead of the other two in breaking new stories. CNN is so far behind, it's like reading the newspaper the next day.

04-09-2003, 10:07 AM	#12
couriers	I really don't appreciate the fact that CNN has chosen to ignore the Vice President this morning by not even playing the audio of his speech. This is very unprofessional.

04-09-2003, 06:42 PM	#14
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	I can't stand fox news. I've been really impressed with MSNBCs coverage

04-09-2003, 10:29 PM	#17
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	For you DirecTV customers: Do you think Rupert will make a switcharoo between CNN (202) and Fox News (360) on the dial? My guess is yes, because it'll give Fox News a hot position on the dial and increase its visibility. CNN is at the top of the 200s. Fox News is buried in the 300s. And before you say there is no strategy to it. CNN is one of the easiest channels to find. It's one of the first channels to come up when you install DirecTV (you start at 200 if I remember) and they typically use 202 to see if you're account is setup.

04-09-2003, 10:42 PM	#18
AgPete College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2001	I watch CNN for the basic facts and stats. FOX News is okay to watch when I want some entertainment value which I sometimes do because CNN can get boring. For shows, I prefer CNN over FOX hands down. Crossfire has always been one of my favorite shows. I watch Bill O'Reilly for an hour and walk away empty but Larry King is still good depending on whom he interviews. Honestly, I've never seen enough MSNBC to form an opinion of it. As far as the networks, Nightline is still the champ and 60 Minutes has some good stories. I group 20/20, 48 Hours, Primetime Live and the rest of them together. Occasional good stories with a bunch of junk inbetween. I'm a big fan of NPR Radio and PBS. I still prefer the print media over all television and radio though. __________________ Click here for the FOF2004 World Football League Dynasty (WFL) - Football Goes Global! OOTP5 Psychology Experiment (Incomplete but fun read for MLB fans.) The FOFC All-Time NFL Team - Voted on by FOFC members.

04-10-2003, 12:31 AM	#19
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I don't normally watch Fox, but it was fun to watch some good ol' rah-rah commentary with the Iraqis celebrating today. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

04-10-2003, 03:13 AM	#21
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Here's an idea. If you appreciate Fox News you are a Republican. If you appreciate CNN you are a Democrat. I especially noticed it yesterday evening (I'm an hour behind Baghdad time) when Fox News was showing the statue of Saddam Hussein first get draped in our flag (to cheers), then in the Iraqi flag (to wild cheers), and then the statue was torn down (to mayhem and jubilation). Afterwards, I switch to CNN where they were reporting, "An American Soldier put up an American flag on the Hussein statue in Central Baghad, and then realizing what he had done, quickly took it down angering many in the Arab world for what they fear is American Imperialism." Give me a break. Then they went into length about some Democrat who heads the Foreign Relations Committee about the horrible things that are about to come and followed up by Tom Dashle blasting US policy. At the end of the report they were courteous enough to give President Bush a one liner and the reporters filled in the blanks for what that meant. Thanks alot CNN. But if CNN thinks that envoking trouble ahead is the way to go, they are dead wrong. A world without Saddam Hussein will not be worse than a world with him. Let's get with the program a little, CNN. And BTW, If you like Larry King, you are a liberal. If you like O'Reilly, you are a conservative.

04-10-2003, 06:34 AM	#23
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	Sorry to disappoint you, Grant. I firmly believe there needs to be a distinction between commentators like Neal Cavuto and the news guys like Shepard Smith, but Shepard doesn't only blur the line, he crosses it. He's funny, he's likeable, etc... but either give him a show where he's not the "news guy" or pack him off to do entertainment news. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

04-10-2003, 08:39 AM	#25
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Clearly, CNN = Democrat and Fox News = Republican. Which is why Fox News is actually being watched these days. Dems are out of favor and thus, so is CNN. When the political climate in this country changes (and it will, who knows when), you'll likely see a switch back, unless either of them makes some changes between now and then. I see this same dynamic with law firms in Tallahassee and the parties running state government. When the Dems were in charge in the mid-90's, the firms with close ties to them were in demand. Now, those same firms are out of favor and breaking up because no one will come near them for business. I'm just lucky enough to be in a firm on the upswing. On the O'Reilly/King issue, if you like O'Reilly, you're a conservative. If you like King, you've just got bad taste, regardless of political persuasion. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-10-2003, 10:02 AM	#26
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I don't buy this "Conservatives watch Fox, liberals watch CNN" stuff. IMO, because Fox actually provides intelligent, well-spoken conservatives they are branded as a conservative station. Prior to Fox, the only well-spoken conservative I could come up with on ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN was George Will. But, most shows that I watch on Fox give you well-spoken opinions from both the left and the right perspective. On Fox, you will get conservative commentators like Newt Gengrich, Sean Hannity, Bill Bennett, and Fred Barnes. But, you will also get liberals like Alan Combs, Cici Connely (Washington Post), Maura Liason (NPR) and Juan Williams. All are well-spoken and have the ability to make good points from their perspective. Compare that to CNN where conservatives are like Tucker Carlson or Robert Novak. Fox does have a conservative "bias" in their main anchors (Brit Hume, Tony Snow...), but they always have guests and opinion panels with the other side's perspective. If you guys ever get a chance to watch Hannity and Combs, I say check it out. It's what Crossfire was meant to be when it was created. Not this stack the questions and commentators with liberals and throw in a token conservative with little arguing ability (like Tucker) that it has become now. When you look at the ratings, either 75+% of the cable news-watching crowd is conservative or there is some crossover in their audience. I just feel that most Americans would rather see their news with a slightly optimistic tone than the "We Americans are evil" tone you get on CNN, regardless of party affiliation. Arlie __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 04-10-2003 at 10:33 AM.

04-10-2003, 10:27 AM	#27
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	Well said Arles.

04-10-2003, 10:55 AM	#29
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	I'm really screwed up now ... I'm a conservative, but usually watch CNN or MSNBC. I'll channel surf to Fox News every once in a while, but will usually only stick with it for a story or two. If I had to pick one station to just leave on, it would probably be MSNBC, unless ABC News has continuous coverage or Nightline on.

04-10-2003, 02:16 PM	#30
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	I'm a Democrat that likes O'Reilly and thinks Larry King is pretty unwatchable unless there is hard news breaking. __________________

04-10-2003, 02:26 PM	#32
RawIsDan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Yeah, Fox can be funny at times. Once the anchor said they had a lead on where Saddam was and put up a pic of him with the Dixie Chicks...lol.

04-10-2003, 08:15 PM	#37
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	bottom center/left, they're not image ads like the x10 one, they're just text links at the bottom.

04-10-2003, 08:25 PM	#38
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I see 'em now Radii, honest to goodness didn't see them until you pointed out where they were. Shows you how my eyesight is getting these days. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

04-10-2003, 09:25 PM	#39
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm a website snob, I dont want popups, I don't want music, and I don't want ads that I get in my spam inbox every 30 minutes either... seeing a service that I assume is trying to be reputable advertise that kind of thing just drops them a notch in my book. Hearing them say "fair and balanced" every 30 seconds makes me want to barf too. If they said "watch us if you hate democrats" instead of "fair and balanced" my respect for them would increase tenfold. All of that said, don't get me wrong, I am sick as hell of both fox and cnn. All they care about at this point is one-upping the other, not news. those who suggested google news, I <3 you all

04-11-2003, 07:32 PM	#42
aquavit n00b Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: morgantown, wv	Fox News is brash with a strong conservative bias to the point of being a propaganda machine for that agenda, which is disturbing (IMHO!). CNN is meak and falling over themselves to offend no one from either side instead of just being a normal centrist channel and in doing that are extremely crap. Personally, I try to just get my news in print because the US news channels are so poor. I especially like the Economist (conservative) and the Guardian (liberal).

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