Typical Lebron choke at the buzzer - Page 5

Groundhog · 05-27-2007, 10:11 PM

Yeah. Chauncey is clearly a big time player, but he just doesn't have that mental edge that the superstars have. No way do these Pistons do anything with him leading the team.

Logan · 05-28-2007, 12:05 AM

Threads like this are why I <3 FOFC.

Leonidas · 05-28-2007, 02:04 AM

Waiting for the first anti-LeBron troll to try and take a cheap shot at him now. OK, I'll do it for them. Jordan would have scored 60 and gotten the triple double. LeBron is just a cheap hack. And Detroit isn't any good anyway, wait until LeBron plays a real team from the West like Utah. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Leonidas · 05-28-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Let's see. The title of the thread, and the talking point of the intelligent posters here, is an observation about an individual trait in an otherwise very talented players game. LeBron sucks in the clutch. He's done nothing but feed that perception this year. His team went farther than some other star players teams by beating a Washington team that was missing it's two best players and a NJ team that is nothing special. His team is in the conference final of the clearly inferior conference and will be very lucky to win 1 game. No one denies that he has talent and the potential to become one the all time greats, but he is missing a key feature.

Gatorade made a nifty commercial with edited "what if" history that includes Jordan missing the shot over Ehlo. With LeBron, you wouldn't have to edit the video. A jumper at the end for the win means an automatic loss at this point. The addition of that part of his game, if he can do it, would elevate him to his current hype point of all-time great. Right now he's a very good player on a decent team in a bad conference where he doesn't have to make big shots due to the lack of quality competition. Until those big shots at the end go in, he's still not a truly great one.

Would some intelligent posters please tell the rest of us retards what happened last night, we need enlightenment as we dumb people thought LeBron stepped up and had a really big game and was clutch. Or am I too stupid to understand the term clutch? Or did the refs give him the game, or, well, what intelligent rationale is available for intelligent posters to explain what really happened since intelligent posters are the only ones capable of understanding the amazing depth of LeBron's inability to play well in an important game. Please, provide we stupid posters some guidance. Please tell us who we really should look to as a great player in this day and age. Nash? Kobe? Wade? Oh, I foolishly suggested those guys are at home watching TV, putting my stupidity on display for the intelligent posters to ridicule. Maybe we stupid fans who consider LeBron to be a real quality player should convert to be Chauncey Billups fans.

Neon_Chaos · 05-28-2007, 04:00 AM

Wow, I never noticed it, but Billups is averaging 5.67 turnovers per game this series.

Neon_Chaos · 05-28-2007, 04:04 AM

dola,

I wonder if HiFiRevival ever saw the Cavs-Wizards series last year? You know, the one where LeBron sealed the deal with a game-winning lay-up?

Groundhog · 05-28-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

dola,

I wonder if HiFiRevival ever saw the Cavs-Wizards series last year? You know, the one where LeBron sealed the deal with a game-winning lay-up?

I'm sure he's seen about the same amount of LeBron in the playoffs this year as with last year - next to none.

stevew · 05-28-2007, 05:16 AM

fwiw, I still hate it when Lebron takes fadeaway 3's...hell 3's in general. If, and its a big IF, he can ever get to where he's actually a pure shooter like Jordan or Kobe, he'll be fucking unstoppable. For now, his percentages look good cause he gets quite a few dunks.

stevew · 05-28-2007, 05:24 AM

Shit....I had to work and missed the 2nd half of the game....that was a nice Facial on Sheed.

stevew · 05-28-2007, 05:26 AM

triple dola....am I wrong to be happy that Larry Hughes may have an injury and miss a game or so.

miami_fan · 05-28-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

fwiw, I still hate it when Lebron takes fadeaway 3's...hell 3's in general. If, and its a big IF, he can ever get to where he's actually a pure shooter like Jordan or Kobe, he'll be fucking unstoppable. For now, his percentages look good cause he gets quite a few dunks.

The funny thing about this thread is that there are enough flaws in his game at this point that are legitimate that there is no need to go searching for things that just aren't there. Lebron needs to work to get a more consistent jumper. He needs to be more aggressive(selfish?) especially with his current teammates. He needs to be MUCH better at the free throw line. Hell he may have to develop the sixth sense to completely ignore his coach and call his own plays. The idea that he is not "clutch" or is mentally weak flies what we have already seen from him.

mckerney · 05-28-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Leonidas

Waiting for the first anti-LeBron troll to try and take a cheap shot at him now. OK, I'll do it for them. Jordan would have scored 60 and gotten the triple double. LeBron is just a cheap hack. And Detroit isn't any good anyway, wait until LeBron plays a real team from the West like Utah. Yeah, that's the ticket.

OMG! LeBron is so bad at and so scared of the final shot he played well enough to beat the Pistons without needing it. LOL, he only went 32-9-9, he didn't hit a big shot people.

stevew · 05-28-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

The funny thing about this thread is that there are enough flaws in his game at this point that are legitimate that there is no need to go searching for things that just aren't there. Lebron needs to work to get a more consistent jumper. He needs to be more aggressive(selfish?) especially with his current teammates. He needs to be MUCH better at the free throw line. Hell he may have to develop the sixth sense to completely ignore his coach and call his own plays. The idea that he is not "clutch" or is mentally weak flies what we have already seen from him.

It's unacceptable for a "superstar" to shoot less than 80 percent from the line. Ideally he should be closer to 85.

Brian Swartz · 05-28-2007, 11:27 AM

Shaq and Duncan would beg to differ

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dime · 05-28-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Fantastic. That's the kind of aggressive, I'm the best on the court and I'll play like it when my team needs it most, play that I've been waiting to see from LeBron. The dunk was great, and he finally realized that Rip Hamilton absolutely cannot defend him 1 on 1. Just pull up over him and hit the 15 foot jumper and Hamilton will be helpless. There is absolutely no reason why he hasn't learned this before. He's got a mediocre team around him and always took bad shots or deferred to teammates late. He finally stepped up and put a team away himself. It's about time he ignored his idiot coach and did what was best for the team. Even a miss in that situation would have been a positive since he didn't take a bad 3 or some weak drive to the rim where he cried about a foul. Just knew the situation and took advantage of it.

Now, more polish on that jumper and you've got an unstoppable player.

"take it easy, champ. why don't you stop talking for awhile."

Groundhog · 05-28-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

triple dola....am I wrong to be happy that Larry Hughes may have an injury and miss a game or so.

Completely justified.

I just hope Brown inserts Gibson in to the lineup over Snow.

Groundhog · 05-28-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Even a miss in that situation would have been a positive since he didn't take a bad 3 or some weak drive to the rim where he cried about a foul. Just knew the situation and took advantage of it.

Wrong. A miss in that situation would have had you back in this thread crucifying him for being mentally weak.

jeff061 · 05-28-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Wrong. A miss in that situation would have had you back in this thread crucifying him for being mentally weak.

Wonder if he is going to streak to both ends of the LeBron fan spectrum after every game.

Post count++.

Jas_lov · 05-29-2007, 08:28 PM

As much as Detroit struggled in the 2nd quarter they're only down 7 with a nice run at the end. Billups is the only one scoring tonight for the Pistons while the Cavs are getting contributions from Gooden, Gibson, and Big Z as well as Lebron. Gibson especially did really well getting to the basket. Should be an interesting 2nd half.

dime · 05-29-2007, 08:29 PM

cavs seemed to be a little too content with being up 7 at the half...

Jas_lov · 05-29-2007, 09:17 PM

Now it's Cleveland really struggling but they should be happy to only be down by 2. Lebron needs to take over in the 4th like in game 3 if they want to win. Not sure Detroit is going to let that happen though.

Noop · 05-29-2007, 09:46 PM

Man LeBron is really something else. He looks great and if he had another good player on his team he would be damn near unstoppable.

RedKingGold · 05-29-2007, 10:10 PM

Bump for two "clutch" free throws with 4 seconds left to seal the win and tie the series

Groundhog · 05-29-2007, 10:15 PM

Yeah, is he clutch yet, or does the next game where he misses a shot in the final 2 minutes make him non-clutch again?

mckerney · 05-29-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, is he clutch yet, or does the next game where he misses a shot in the final 2 minutes make him non-clutch again?

If clutch is something you can magically gain in the middle of the playoffs, he'll be unclutch again shortly.

Passacaglia · 05-29-2007, 10:18 PM

well, you can't have a little bit of clutch
and, you can can't hope to acquire clutch

Groundhog · 05-29-2007, 10:29 PM

It might make it easier if the NBA put a 'clutch' rating on the player profile pages.

Atocep · 05-29-2007, 10:35 PM

When does Billups get a thread?

Schmidty · 05-29-2007, 10:54 PM

This series is still over. Pistons in 6.

Groundhog · 05-29-2007, 10:59 PM

Might go to game 7 if Gibson can score 20 points a game for the rest of the series.

Would be a good year for the Cavs to upset the Pistons though, because I kind of like our chances against the Spurs to be honest.

miami_fan · 05-30-2007, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, is he clutch yet, or does the next game where he misses a shot in the final 2 minutes make him non-clutch again?

Let's be honest. He would have been non clutch if Gibson or Gooden had missed any of those shots in the 4th qtr.

jbergey22 · 05-31-2007, 10:50 PM

I think this guy is missing that something special!!!

What a game, LeBron has carried the Cavs on his shoulders and might be able to single handed beat the Pistons.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-31-2007, 10:51 PM

Best individual performance I've seen in a meaningful game since Jordan.

Also, the most fun I've had watching a game in several years.

Atocep · 05-31-2007, 10:55 PM

I still haven't seen him win a game at the buzzer.

stevew · 05-31-2007, 10:56 PM

FOAD bitches. Is that a game winner yet?

wade moore · 05-31-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Best individual performance I've seen in a meaningful game since Jordan.

Also, the most fun I've had watching a game in several years.

Yes and yes.

larrymcg421 · 05-31-2007, 10:57 PM

Just popping in to say hi.

dime · 05-31-2007, 10:57 PM

I can't remember seeing such a big game coached this poorly.

that said...

Jordan was never this good. Jordan needed a lot of free throws to score 40, 50 points. James is not getting those calls just yet, he's finishing the play and hitting ridiculous jump shots with two defenders on him 25 feet out.

mckerney · 05-31-2007, 10:57 PM

LeBron 18
Detroit 16

Deattribution · 05-31-2007, 10:59 PM

That was an amazing game by James, he completely dominated.

jbergey22 · 05-31-2007, 11:00 PM

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Jas_lov · 05-31-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dime

I can't remember seeing such a big game coached this poorly.

that said...

Jordan was never this good. Jordan needed a lot of free throws to score 40, 50 points. James is not getting those calls just yet, he's finishing the play and hitting ridiculous jump shots with two defenders on him 25 feet out.

And James won that game practically by himself starting with the 4th quarter. He scored something like 30 of their last 31 points. Detroit didn't really make anyone else have to shoot the ball at the end which was a huge mistake.

Neon_Chaos · 05-31-2007, 11:03 PM

LeBron just carved his name in NBA Playoff History.

RedKingGold · 05-31-2007, 11:05 PM

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Radii · 05-31-2007, 11:14 PM

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This is better than "Raiders looking great in preseason" and being 0-20.

That was an incredible performance, glad I caught it.

Hammer755 · 05-31-2007, 11:17 PM

I don't care how many game-ending shots he misses, this series tells you all you need to know about LeBron. He is leading a team of nobodies that shouldn't have any chance of hanging with the 4-time defending Eastern Conference champs, and has them in the driver's seat. Even the two games the Cavs lost came down to the final possession. He's the best scorer, shooter, rebounder and passer on his team and it's not even close. He probably had to drive the bus to the airport after the game, too.

Neon_Chaos · 05-31-2007, 11:17 PM

I'm getting a John Kerry vibe.

Neon_Chaos · 05-31-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer755

He is leading a team of nobodies that shouldn't have any chance of hanging with the 4-time defending Eastern Conference champs, and has them in the driver's seat.

The Pistons aren't the defending Eastern Conference champs. The Heat are.

05-27-2007, 10:11 PM	#201
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Yeah. Chauncey is clearly a big time player, but he just doesn't have that mental edge that the superstars have. No way do these Pistons do anything with him leading the team. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-28-2007, 02:04 AM	#203
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	Waiting for the first anti-LeBron troll to try and take a cheap shot at him now. OK, I'll do it for them. Jordan would have scored 60 and gotten the triple double. LeBron is just a cheap hack. And Detroit isn't any good anyway, wait until LeBron plays a real team from the West like Utah. Yeah, that's the ticket. __________________ Molon labe

05-28-2007, 04:00 AM	#205
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Wow, I never noticed it, but Billups is averaging 5.67 turnovers per game this series. __________________ Come and see.

05-28-2007, 04:04 AM	#206
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	dola, I wonder if HiFiRevival ever saw the Cavs-Wizards series last year? You know, the one where LeBron sealed the deal with a game-winning lay-up? __________________ Come and see.

05-28-2007, 05:26 AM	#210
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	triple dola....am I wrong to be happy that Larry Hughes may have an injury and miss a game or so. Last edited by stevew : 05-28-2007 at 05:36 AM.

05-28-2007, 12:05 AM	#202
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Threads like this are why I <3 FOFC.

05-28-2007, 05:16 AM	#208
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	fwiw, I still hate it when Lebron takes fadeaway 3's...hell 3's in general. If, and its a big IF, he can ever get to where he's actually a pure shooter like Jordan or Kobe, he'll be fucking unstoppable. For now, his percentages look good cause he gets quite a few dunks.

05-28-2007, 05:24 AM	#209
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Shit....I had to work and missed the 2nd half of the game....that was a nice Facial on Sheed.

05-28-2007, 11:27 AM	#215
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Shaq and Duncan would beg to differ .

05-29-2007, 08:28 PM	#220
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	As much as Detroit struggled in the 2nd quarter they're only down 7 with a nice run at the end. Billups is the only one scoring tonight for the Pistons while the Cavs are getting contributions from Gooden, Gibson, and Big Z as well as Lebron. Gibson especially did really well getting to the basket. Should be an interesting 2nd half.

05-29-2007, 08:29 PM	#221
dime High School JV Join Date: Sep 2006	cavs seemed to be a little too content with being up 7 at the half...

05-29-2007, 09:17 PM	#222
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Now it's Cleveland really struggling but they should be happy to only be down by 2. Lebron needs to take over in the 4th like in game 3 if they want to win. Not sure Detroit is going to let that happen though.

05-29-2007, 09:46 PM	#223
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Man LeBron is really something else. He looks great and if he had another good player on his team he would be damn near unstoppable. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-29-2007, 10:10 PM	#224
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Bump for two "clutch" free throws with 4 seconds left to seal the win and tie the series

05-29-2007, 10:15 PM	#225
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Yeah, is he clutch yet, or does the next game where he misses a shot in the final 2 minutes make him non-clutch again? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-29-2007, 10:18 PM	#227
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	well, you can't have a little bit of clutch and, you can can't hope to acquire clutch

05-29-2007, 10:29 PM	#228
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	It might make it easier if the NBA put a 'clutch' rating on the player profile pages. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-29-2007, 10:35 PM	#229
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	When does Billups get a thread?

05-29-2007, 10:54 PM	#230
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	This series is still over. Pistons in 6.

05-29-2007, 10:59 PM	#231
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Might go to game 7 if Gibson can score 20 points a game for the rest of the series. Would be a good year for the Cavs to upset the Pistons though, because I kind of like our chances against the Spurs to be honest. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-31-2007, 10:50 PM	#233
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I think this guy is missing that something special!!! What a game, LeBron has carried the Cavs on his shoulders and might be able to single handed beat the Pistons. Last edited by jbergey22 : 05-31-2007 at 10:52 PM.

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Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Best individual performance I've seen in a meaningful game since Jordan. Also, the most fun I've had watching a game in several years. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

05-31-2007, 10:55 PM	#235
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I still haven't seen him win a game at the buzzer.

05-31-2007, 10:56 PM	#236
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	FOAD bitches. Is that a game winner yet?

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05-31-2007, 10:57 PM	#239
dime High School JV Join Date: Sep 2006	I can't remember seeing such a big game coached this poorly. that said... Jordan was never this good. Jordan needed a lot of free throws to score 40, 50 points. James is not getting those calls just yet, he's finishing the play and hitting ridiculous jump shots with two defenders on him 25 feet out.

05-31-2007, 10:57 PM	#240
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	LeBron 18 Detroit 16

05-31-2007, 10:59 PM	#241
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	That was an amazing game by James, he completely dominated.

05-31-2007, 11:00 PM	#242
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	*Ping AMDaily & HiFiRevival* Last edited by jbergey22 : 05-31-2007 at 11:00 PM.

05-31-2007, 11:03 PM	#244
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	LeBron just carved his name in NBA Playoff History. __________________ Come and see.

05-31-2007, 11:14 PM	#246
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (9 members and 4 guests) This is better than "Raiders looking great in preseason" and being 0-20. That was an incredible performance, glad I caught it.

05-31-2007, 11:17 PM	#248
Hammer755 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Houston, TX	I don't care how many game-ending shots he misses, this series tells you all you need to know about LeBron. He is leading a team of nobodies that shouldn't have any chance of hanging with the 4-time defending Eastern Conference champs, and has them in the driver's seat. Even the two games the Cavs lost came down to the final possession. He's the best scorer, shooter, rebounder and passer on his team and it's not even close. He probably had to drive the bus to the airport after the game, too. __________________ I failed Signature 101 class. Last edited by Hammer755 : 05-31-2007 at 11:18 PM.

05-31-2007, 11:17 PM	#249
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I'm getting a John Kerry vibe. __________________ Come and see.