WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8 - Page 7

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:09 PM

Vote bhlloy

For only one reason.

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:10 PM

Unvote bhlloy

And that was it.

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:14 PM

Vote Raiders Army

I don't really have a lot of thoughts on things at this point. This vote is a simple 'I feel mildly ok about Jackal and mildly un-ok about RA so I'm 2 * mildly ok with this vote.'

hoopsguy · 05-08-2012, 12:22 PM

I'm going to return to my Day 1 vote because I haven't had any reason to change it up to this point. Willing to be persuaded, since I see JAG feels "mildly OK about Jackal" ... wondering about the foundation for any kind of vibe feelings at this point.

VOTE THE JACKAL
UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE THE JACKAL

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Why me JAG, if I can ask?

As for the tie, the other outcome is we kill two villagers on day one and put ourselves in a hole. The chance of two villagers being in the lead on day one before the herd is thinned out is pretty high. I'd rather see a throwaway or somebody pushed ahead, but it's entirely possible I've always been looking at it the wrong way

PackerFanatic · 05-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Does everyone really think they need to unvote for their vote to count?

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:24 PM

Well if all the cool kids are doing it...

I do wonder if unvotes are the actual votes for this round, which is why I am interested in knowing why JAG chose me an then voted for someone else

Unvote britrock
Vote britrock

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Does everyone really think they need to unvote for their vote to count?

Considering how far out of his way CF went to mention it, I think it's a definite possibility

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Considering how far out of his way CF went to mention it, I think it's a definite possibility

What do you mean by this?

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 12:29 PM

From reading back through CF's posts there is nothing that makes me think you HAVE to unvote for your vote to count. Where are you guys getting that theory?

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:30 PM

I mean unvotes are a regular part of WW. Everybody knows how to use them. So why does CF go into such detail unless this is today's test? I think it's very likely that unvoting specifically has something to do with how today's votes are going to be tabulated

PackerFanatic · 05-08-2012, 12:31 PM

Unvotes are a regular part - if mentioned in the rules. Which they were not. If you look back at page 1 now, he has added it to his list. I think it's more likely that he is introducing things gradually (as has been said) than trying to draw attention to particular things.

CrimsonFox · 05-08-2012, 12:33 PM

Don't forget that Aperture Science "Take Your Daughter To Work" Day is the perfect time to have her tested.

>*CHIRP*<

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:35 PM

Well I guess we will find out this evening. Put it this way, I don't see any harm in doing it

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I mean unvotes are a regular part of WW. Everybody knows how to use them. So why does CF go into such detail unless this is today's test? I think it's very likely that unvoting specifically has something to do with how today's votes are going to be tabulated

Yeah, I just think he was "cleverly" letting us know that this is now a part of the ruleset.

PackerFanatic · 05-08-2012, 12:40 PM

That's the way I am looking at it too, KWhit - but I do agree with you on that bhlloy. No harm in it - was just asking

Ragone · 05-08-2012, 12:41 PM

As of right this second.. we have no real basis to vote on.. if someone does happen
To have seer ability(I don't think the role is active in game yet) we need more time to
Flesh out the good from the bad.. I'm willing to change vote later on if a revelation comes out.
vote chubby

Simbo Klice · 05-08-2012, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

From what I remember of 'Portal' the only bad guy was the computer who was running the tests ....

It could be that the entire thing is just one big psychological test to see how many people will be sacrificed for no real reason, would be kinda cool

That being said I'd have also thought the Portal setup would suit people being 'offered' assistance by the (slightly demented) computer system and thus gaining roles during the game ..... in return for doing certain things for the computer possibly? ..... dunno, working this out will be all part of the fun ...

It would be kind of funny to just have all vanilla townies, and just have it come down to last man standing... I guess we'll know more after this day and night phase.

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:48 PM

We're testers. Not participating in a test is a bad thing. Today's test is on unvoting. bhlloy, I just picked someone I didn't have feelings about one way or another and someone I didn't see myself voting for today. hoops, like I said, I don't have anything firm to back up my feelings. My hunch is the trio of Autumn / GE / Jackal are regular testers.

bhlloy · 05-08-2012, 12:51 PM

I think any votes on Chubby are probably pretty redundant if yesterday's rules hold. Usually I'm a big fan of voting out the inactives but if he gets +3 just for not showing up I don't see the rush

Disclaimer: I have no idea if he will get +3 but I still think we might be better to look elsewhere and get some voting history seeing as we got close to zero yesterday

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:52 PM

I think voting Chubby is a mistake, unless he shows up. If he doesn't show up, then you've probably wasted your votes because CF is likely to strike him down anyway.

JAG · 05-08-2012, 12:53 PM

GoldenEagle · 05-08-2012, 12:57 PM

I don't know if the unvote is the test or not. To me, it was more along the lines of CF saying we could now unvote. But I will go ahead and unvote just to comply with the test.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

We're testers. Not participating in a test is a bad thing. Today's test is on unvoting.

That's a good thought. That didn't occur to me.

Marc Vaughan · 05-08-2012, 01:09 PM

Unvote Marc Vaughan

Marc Vaughan · 05-08-2012, 01:10 PM

(what can I say - the unvoting being the test kinda makes sense to me)

Barkeep49 · 05-08-2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

We're testers. Not participating in a test is a bad thing. Today's test is on unvoting.

I think there might be wisdom here.

Vote Marc Vaughn
Unvote Marc Vaughn

Barkeep49 · 05-08-2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I didn't "win" anything special from the vote yesterday. That means either The Jackal beat me in the duel and won whatever there was to win or it was a complete waste of time.

Jackal?

GoldenEagle · 05-08-2012, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Jackal?

I would be interested in hearing what he has to say as well. CF went out of his way to explain the tiebreaker rule and then obviously nothing came out of it, at least publicly. If Jackal also got nothing, I think that means one of two things:

1) There is some validity about things slowing evolving. There was no Day 1 lynch because Day 1 is still evolving.
2) Jackal has a duke sort of role and used it to save himself (and me I guess as well)

Narcizo · 05-08-2012, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I don't know if the unvote is the test or not. To me, it was more along the lines of CF saying we could now unvote.

Ex-bleedin'-actly. All this unvoting is doing my head in. Are we all turning into Danny as the Joker? Test = day as far as I can see at the moment, with Test 1 being getting signed up.

As to why no-one got lynched it seems that there's a very important but hidden mechanic used as a tie-breaker. I wouldn't be surprised if it's longest held vote or something banal like that. If that's the case then it would support there being no real contest on day one as otherwise one of them would have been lynched.

I don't think we should read too much into all these posts by CF - most of them seem to be ways of introducing the rules whilst causing confusion.

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I didn't "win" anything special from the vote yesterday. That means either The Jackal beat me in the duel and won whatever there was to win or it was a complete waste of time.

Nothing happened to me either

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:34 PM

Just in case..

UNVOTE GE
UNVOTE RA
VOTE RA

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:35 PM

I probably failed both of these tests, missed the lack of unvote D1, voted before unvoting D2. Go me!

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:35 PM

Give them cake!

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 01:38 PM

Actually, I bet the 3 votes that Chubby and MV got yesterday is because they failed yesterday's test (voting). They didn't vote.

So if you don't unvote today, you'll be getting a 3 vote bump.

Makes sense, right?

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 01:39 PM

Vote Chubby

Unvote Chubby

GoldenEagle · 05-08-2012, 01:40 PM

What is the logic on voting for RA? He has not done anything out of the ordinary but he seems to be the vote leader at this point.

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

What is the logic on voting for RA? He has not done anything out of the ordinary but he seems to be the vote leader at this point.

In a day that's hard to analyze, I'm voting for him mostly because he placed the 8th vote on a person (me, call it subconscious revenge if you like) when two others had two. It's hardly much considering some are still arguing that there may not have even been wolves yesterday.

PackerFanatic · 05-08-2012, 01:47 PM

I think pretty much everyone, to this point, as unvoted first...so in order to help prove the point one way or another about the tests, I am going to be a willing guinea pig and see what happens.

VOTE JACKAL

The Jackal · 05-08-2012, 01:48 PM

I like how I'm part of people testing things. I trust in the craziness of this game to either save me, or provide an epic death.

Passacaglia · 05-08-2012, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I think pretty much everyone, to this point, as unvoted first...so in order to help prove the point one way or another about the tests, I am going to be a willing guinea pig and see what happens.

VOTE JACKAL

I'm with you, actually -- have not unvoted.

hoopsguy · 05-08-2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I like how I'm part of people testing things. I trust in the craziness of this game to either save me, or provide an epic death.

If we're talking about a werewolf lynch vote, my money is on ****ZZZAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!***** over some kind of a save scenario.

Passacaglia · 05-08-2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

In a day that's hard to analyze, I'm voting for him mostly because he placed the 8th vote on a person (me, call it subconscious revenge if you like) when two others had two. It's hardly much considering some are still arguing that there may not have even been wolves yesterday.

You've mentioned his placing the 8th vote twice now. Are you ascribing some sort of significance to the 8th vote, or are you just choosing a random ordinal number?

JAG · 05-08-2012, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Ex-bleedin'-actly. All this unvoting is doing my head in. Are we all turning into Danny as the Joker? Test = day as far as I can see at the moment, with Test 1 being getting signed up.

As to why no-one got lynched it seems that there's a very important but hidden mechanic used as a tie-breaker. I wouldn't be surprised if it's longest held vote or something banal like that. If that's the case then it would support there being no real contest on day one as otherwise one of them would have been lynched.

I don't think we should read too much into all these posts by CF - most of them seem to be ways of introducing the rules whilst causing confusion.

I disagree:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

We wait in joyful anticipation for the following to complete this test.

Have not voted: Ragone, Chubby, tyketime, Passacaglia, Marc Vaughn

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

The test is complete and two have failed. Congratulations to the rest of you who tested in the 90th percentile of all testers who took this test.

Stand by for radioactive tabulations. Please don the protective radioactive-proof suits which will be arriving to your location in 3...2...2...2...2...2...22...2222.2.22..22.2.22.2.22.2.2.2.222...
>*CHIRP*<

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Test 3 - Unvoting
Attachment 3924

Unvoting is the art of removing a previously made vote. Some people make a living at it. You all remember how to vote?

Let's use Mary again.

VOTE MARY

You see what I did there? I voted for Mary.
Now let's unvote Mary

UNVOTE MARY

The same principals apply. Use boldface just as you would a vote. Now it is as if you never voted and can now vote for someone else like Chuck or even better the person that--**FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..**

>CHIRP<

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
The test is complete and two have failed. Congratulations to the rest of you who tested in the 90th percentile of all testers who took this test.

Right. I originally thought the 2 he was talking about were the ones who tied for the most votes. But that's not what he meant at all. He meant the two that failed the test by not voting at all - Chubby and MV.

KWhit · 05-08-2012, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Calculations tabulated. Test Results complete.

GoldenEagle 4 - bhlloy, Narcizo, Passacaglia, Ragone
The_Jackal 4- Raiders_Army, hoopsguy, GoldenEagle, tyketime
Marc_Vaughan 3
Chubby 3
Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic, Zinto, Darth_Vilus
Julio Riddols 2 - JAG, Simbo Klice
JAG 2 - Barkeep, Julio_Riddols
Narcizo 1 - The_Jackal
KWHIT 1 - Autumn
Chubby 1 - KWHIT
Zinto 1 - britrock

The winner of the vote is The_Jackal and GoldenEagle. There will now be a special party just for them. A pity party.

Although I think there is an error in his writeup - or something else weird is going on.

Hey, Gladdy! Should Chubby actually have 4 votes and tied with the other 2 guys? He's on this list twice - once for when I voted for him, and then the 3 vote extra thing.

Autumn · 05-08-2012, 02:03 PM

Julio Riddols 2 - JAG, Simbo Klice
JAG 2 - Barkeep, Julio_Riddols
Zinto 1 - britrock
Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic, Zinto, Darth_Vilus
Narcizo 1 - The_Jackal
KWHIT 1 - Autumn
GoldenEagle 4 - bhlloy, Narcizo, Passacaglia, Ragone
The_Jackal 4- Raiders_Army, hoopsguy, GoldenEagle, tyketime
Chubby 1 - KWHIT

This is the vote count CF posted at the time that he mentioned that his apparatus (hey!) could even count votes from the future. I want to double check - is everybody's vote accurate here? Are there any votes here that weren't actually placed in thread?

Ragone · 05-08-2012, 02:09 PM

unvote goldeneagle
Unvote chubby

Just covering my bases just in case votes are possibly carried over from yesterday

GoldenEagle · 05-08-2012, 02:12 PM

So there was supposed to be a test at 3 PM EST today, right? If so, did we need to unvote before the test deadline?

JAG · 05-08-2012, 02:12 PM

From my quick look through the thread, only 7 people have properly voted and then unvoted: britrock88, JAG, hoopsguy, bhlloy, Barkeep49, The Jackal, and KWhit. The rest of you need to unvote properly (make a vote then unvote it) at some point during the day or else you will likely incur penalty votes. Of course if you're a wolf, I recommend not doing this as a courtesy to us testers.

05-08-2012, 12:53 PM	#322
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Jinx

05-08-2012, 12:57 PM	#323
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	I don't know if the unvote is the test or not. To me, it was more along the lines of CF saying we could now unvote. But I will go ahead and unvote just to comply with the test. UNVOTE THE JACKAL __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

05-08-2012, 01:40 PM	#337
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	What is the logic on voting for RA? He has not done anything out of the ordinary but he seems to be the vote leader at this point. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

05-08-2012, 02:12 PM	#349
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	So there was supposed to be a test at 3 PM EST today, right? If so, did we need to unvote before the test deadline? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

05-08-2012, 12:09 PM	#301
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Vote bhlloy For only one reason.

05-08-2012, 12:10 PM	#302
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Unvote bhlloy And that was it.

05-08-2012, 12:14 PM	#303
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Vote Raiders Army I don't really have a lot of thoughts on things at this point. This vote is a simple 'I feel mildly ok about Jackal and mildly un-ok about RA so I'm 2 * mildly ok with this vote.'

05-08-2012, 12:22 PM	#304
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm going to return to my Day 1 vote because I haven't had any reason to change it up to this point. Willing to be persuaded, since I see JAG feels "mildly OK about Jackal" ... wondering about the foundation for any kind of vibe feelings at this point. VOTE THE JACKAL UNVOTE THE JACKAL VOTE THE JACKAL

05-08-2012, 12:23 PM	#305
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Why me JAG, if I can ask? As for the tie, the other outcome is we kill two villagers on day one and put ourselves in a hole. The chance of two villagers being in the lead on day one before the herd is thinned out is pretty high. I'd rather see a throwaway or somebody pushed ahead, but it's entirely possible I've always been looking at it the wrong way

05-08-2012, 12:23 PM	#306
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Does everyone really think they need to unvote for their vote to count?

05-08-2012, 12:24 PM	#307
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Well if all the cool kids are doing it... I do wonder if unvotes are the actual votes for this round, which is why I am interested in knowing why JAG chose me an then voted for someone else Unvote britrock Vote britrock

05-08-2012, 12:29 PM	#310
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	From reading back through CF's posts there is nothing that makes me think you HAVE to unvote for your vote to count. Where are you guys getting that theory?

05-08-2012, 12:30 PM	#311
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I mean unvotes are a regular part of WW. Everybody knows how to use them. So why does CF go into such detail unless this is today's test? I think it's very likely that unvoting specifically has something to do with how today's votes are going to be tabulated

05-08-2012, 12:31 PM	#312
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Unvotes are a regular part - if mentioned in the rules. Which they were not. If you look back at page 1 now, he has added it to his list. I think it's more likely that he is introducing things gradually (as has been said) than trying to draw attention to particular things.

05-08-2012, 12:33 PM	#313
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Don't forget that Aperture Science "Take Your Daughter To Work" Day is the perfect time to have her tested. >CHIRP<

05-08-2012, 12:35 PM	#314
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Well I guess we will find out this evening. Put it this way, I don't see any harm in doing it

05-08-2012, 12:40 PM	#316
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	That's the way I am looking at it too, KWhit - but I do agree with you on that bhlloy. No harm in it - was just asking

05-08-2012, 12:41 PM	#317
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	As of right this second.. we have no real basis to vote on.. if someone does happen To have seer ability(I don't think the role is active in game yet) we need more time to Flesh out the good from the bad.. I'm willing to change vote later on if a revelation comes out. vote chubby

05-08-2012, 12:48 PM	#319
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	We're testers. Not participating in a test is a bad thing. Today's test is on unvoting. bhlloy, I just picked someone I didn't have feelings about one way or another and someone I didn't see myself voting for today. hoops, like I said, I don't have anything firm to back up my feelings. My hunch is the trio of Autumn / GE / Jackal are regular testers.

05-08-2012, 12:51 PM	#320
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I think any votes on Chubby are probably pretty redundant if yesterday's rules hold. Usually I'm a big fan of voting out the inactives but if he gets +3 just for not showing up I don't see the rush Disclaimer: I have no idea if he will get +3 but I still think we might be better to look elsewhere and get some voting history seeing as we got close to zero yesterday

05-08-2012, 12:52 PM	#321
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I think voting Chubby is a mistake, unless he shows up. If he doesn't show up, then you've probably wasted your votes because CF is likely to strike him down anyway.

05-08-2012, 01:09 PM	#325
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Unvote Marc Vaughan

05-08-2012, 01:10 PM	#326
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	(what can I say - the unvoting being the test kinda makes sense to me)

05-08-2012, 01:34 PM	#332
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Just in case.. UNVOTE GE UNVOTE RA VOTE RA

05-08-2012, 01:35 PM	#333
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I probably failed both of these tests, missed the lack of unvote D1, voted before unvoting D2. Go me!

05-08-2012, 01:35 PM	#334
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Give them cake!

05-08-2012, 01:38 PM	#335
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Actually, I bet the 3 votes that Chubby and MV got yesterday is because they failed yesterday's test (voting). They didn't vote. So if you don't unvote today, you'll be getting a 3 vote bump. Makes sense, right?

05-08-2012, 01:39 PM	#336
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Vote Chubby Unvote Chubby

05-08-2012, 01:47 PM	#339
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I think pretty much everyone, to this point, as unvoted first...so in order to help prove the point one way or another about the tests, I am going to be a willing guinea pig and see what happens. VOTE JACKAL

05-08-2012, 01:48 PM	#340
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I like how I'm part of people testing things. I trust in the craziness of this game to either save me, or provide an epic death.

05-08-2012, 02:03 PM	#347
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Julio Riddols 2 - JAG, Simbo Klice JAG 2 - Barkeep, Julio_Riddols Zinto 1 - britrock Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic, Zinto, Darth_Vilus Narcizo 1 - The_Jackal KWHIT 1 - Autumn GoldenEagle 4 - bhlloy, Narcizo, Passacaglia, Ragone The_Jackal 4- Raiders_Army, hoopsguy, GoldenEagle, tyketime Chubby 1 - KWHIT This is the vote count CF posted at the time that he mentioned that his apparatus (hey!) could even count votes from the future. I want to double check - is everybody's vote accurate here? Are there any votes here that weren't actually placed in thread?

05-08-2012, 02:09 PM	#348
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	unvote goldeneagle Unvote chubby Just covering my bases just in case votes are possibly carried over from yesterday

05-08-2012, 02:12 PM	#350
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	From my quick look through the thread, only 7 people have properly voted and then unvoted: britrock88, JAG, hoopsguy, bhlloy, Barkeep49, The Jackal, and KWhit. The rest of you need to unvote properly (make a vote then unvote it) at some point during the day or else you will likely incur penalty votes. Of course if you're a wolf, I recommend not doing this as a courtesy to us testers.

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