WW CLVII - Ghostbusters - Game Over (result in post 1521)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Trying to detect your tone here; the internet isn't terribly helpful in that regard.

There tone certainly wasn't meant to be mixed.
You played it correctly last game.
DT congratulated himself quite a bit for his courageous play not revealing a couple of games back, when he was on the block as seer (?) and had tie rules bail him out.

Long and the short, the "right" plays are the "right" plays for a reason, even if the "wrong" play can sometimes be rewarded in the short term.

[Autumn]

Right, a reveal in this game works well. Well, I just realized there's not a bodyguard, so not as well as i was thinking. But it forces the wolves to decide whether to waste a night hoping to kill you.

[Autumn]

oh &#@#@

[Autumn]

jeez, you at least don't deny that yo'ure hinting at a role, DT. You could have said "I don't want to say what role I have," and let people decide wehther to move off of you and figure you'll get scanned.

[PackerFanatic]

Ugh...not a good start...

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Sigh...

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[Lathum]

haha

LOL at that result

[Chubby]

/shakes head

i don't get the non-reveal there

[hoopsguy]

Well, guess it is going to be harder to lose two roled villagers in the same night again after this.

Although britrock was reduced to vanilla status when DT bit it, assuming I'm understanding the rules correctly.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

jeez, you at least don't deny that yo'ure hinting at a role, DT. You could have said "I don't want to say what role I have," and let people decide wehther to move off of you and figure you'll get scanned.

yeah, when you start flip flopping back and forth it basically puts the nail in our coffin.

You have to remember we are all working with no info on day 1, had you revealed I would gladly have gone down.

[britrock88]

Good luck, village.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Chubby

/shakes head

i don't get the non-reveal there

This.

[hoopsguy]

Well, in an ideal world we had our seer looking at one of the other people who was in the mix for the vote today. Would hope that we can pull logic from the Day 1 commotion as soon as possible.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone want to hazard a guess on "why britrock' for the night kill?

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, if we assume for a moment myself, Lathum, and mau are villagers (or even 2 of 3), no way any of us are targeted. We're prime suspects tomorrow.

Hoops and Autumn, I think, are perfectly capable of getting lynched on their own.

The list of targetable villagers get smaller after that.

[hoopsguy]

Just did a quick check of britrock posts, about the best logic I can come up with for offing him in that spot is "make someone else count votes" ... saw nothing that looked like a role reveal, role hint, or a coffee roll.

[Coffee Warlord]

8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

[hoopsguy]

Just to re-iterate from earlier - really wish I had gotten the Peck/cultist role. If I had, I probably would not have been able to help myself from making weird posts that would weave a map of how I was in fact that character without deliberately getting myself voted out too early.

Might even have inadvertently slipped into Richard Thornberg or Professor Hathaway at some point.

Oh well. Probably better this way.

[Autumn]

Oh I misread. I forgot this was a dual deadline, and was thinking that Brit died because DT did. That's not as bad as I thought, phew.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Just did a quick check of britrock posts, about the best logic I can come up with for offing him in that spot is "make someone else count votes" ... saw nothing that looked like a role reveal, role hint, or a coffee roll.

lol, that could be it.

That is a weird kill. It's not like brit is terribly quiet, I know sometimes as a wolf I kill the quiet folks and let the others get themselves lynched.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ignore my re-post of vote tallies up there. They're off.

[murrayyyyy]

So voting is okay to start for the next day then? If I read things right the night kill and the vote happen at the same time.

[hoopsguy]

Well, if we want to assume that we had a wolf in the vote from earlier I guess we've got two paths to pursue:
1.) Take our 1/3 shot of it being Lathum/CW/mauchow
2.) Take our shots at the 8 people on DT

As far as the latter strategy goes, I can rule myself out and I won't hold it against Narcizo for getting an early vote in and not being around for deadline. So that leaves six players ... assuming two wolves there, option #1 and option #2 are a push.

So guess I'll twiddle thumbs to see if there is any role information others want to post that will make this easier. Or clever analysis others post that I like better than the above ideas.

[Coffee Warlord]

But, the whole point of that was, if Lathum isn't a wolf, there's a decent chance that there's a wolf on Lathum. And 2 of the 5 voters on him are clear.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

So voting is okay to start for the next day then? If I read things right the night kill and the vote happen at the same time.

Yep, many games have the "combined deadline" so we're into D2 although our thread title does not yet reflect that.

(cough, cough, get on it JAG)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

But, the whole point of that was, if Lathum isn't a wolf, there's a decent chance that there's a wolf on Lathum. And 2 of the 5 voters on him are clear.

Knowing I am not a wolf this is my thinking. I really don't like Autumns vote. He is a pretty active player, yet he buries his vote on me early, then leaves it there. Seems like he isn't trying to draw attention to himself, while casting a vote on someone who is a god lynch candidate.

Vote Autumn.

[Coffee Warlord]

THOUGH.

That might be why brit died, to make us suspect there's a wolf in that pile!

The plot. It doth thicken.

[mauchow]

Well that is a shit result.

And I dunno why I'm being singled out for the switch to dt. I may have started the run but I only count as one vote.

[murrayyyyy]

Well might as well get this out there early. Lathum jumps to the head of the class for me. He is on the dead body. Both the guys who voted for him are dead after D1. In fact all 3 guys who survived with a vote were on the dead body. I tend to think the coffee/lathum/mau trio has a wolf if not two.

vote lathum

Also for those who play a lot... Lathum said he would have laid down for DT if he revealed. After two games with him, I don't believe him. (sorry Lathum). Why should I?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Well that is a shit result.

And I dunno why I'm being singled out for the switch to dt. I may have started the run but I only count as one vote.

Who singled you out?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Who singled you out?

Without going back I believe it was hoops and PF maybe? DT did too but he's not around anymore so that was just purely defensive.

[mauchow]

I'm off to bed, I'll catch up with the last two pages in the morning. Fuckin exhausted with son being sick and holding Leah.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Well might as well get this out there early. Lathum jumps to the head of the class for me. He is on the dead body. Both the guys who voted for him are dead after D1. In fact all 3 guys who survived with a vote were on the dead body. I tend to think the coffee/lathum/mau trio has a wolf if not two.

vote lathum

Also for those who play a lot... Lathum said he would have laid down for DT if he revealed. After two games with him, I don't believe him. (sorry Lathum). Why should I?

So of the 3 people you listed you choose to vote the one whose head was on the chopping block? Don't you think I was forced into voting DT to stay alive? What else should I have done ?

As for laying down, if DT had revealed his role I would have moved my vote. Unless I was a wolf

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Without going back I believe it was hoops and PF maybe? DT did too but he's not around anymore so that was just purely defensive.

Nah, haven't singled you out. I am suggesting that we look at the D1 votes, but that is only with hope that we didn't have four villagers on the blocks for today.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Knowing I am not a wolf this is my thinking. I really don't like Autumns vote. He is a pretty active player, yet he buries his vote on me early, then leaves it there. Seems like he isn't trying to draw attention to himself, while casting a vote on someone who is a god lynch candidate.

Vote Autumn.

I'm active, usually at least, but I don't typically jump my vote around. You were still in the thick of things, I don't see any reason to move my vote and consolidate when I have no idea who might be the wolf among the group. I wasn't around right at deadline, but I don't think I would have moved anyway.

[Autumn]

I don't see enough info from the vote to tell me who to vote yet though. I believe we've got three wolves, so I don't think we've narrowed things down enough to just vote by numbers. The wolves could have mostly been off the main candidates, or one off the main, and two on DT, or all three on Lathum ;-) No real good odds voting that way I do'nt think. I'll be looking at posts instead.

[bhlloy]

I dunno, I find it suspicious that we have late movement off a couple candidates and we seem to be drifting in the direction of just assuming they aren't wolves and let's look elsewhere.

I didn't like Lathum's play at all yesterday, and if he's not a wolf then we learn a lot about the voters on him. But let's find out if he's a wolf first.

Mau's also jumping to defend himself when there's no heat on him at all. I'd be fine with finding out where he stands today as well. But Lathum's my #1 candidate.

vote Lathum

[bhlloy]

Also, you have to reveal DT. Have to. Even if you get NK'd and don't get a scan in, that's an extra kill the wolves don't get to make. And maybe you get lucky and get an inattentive wolf team. A reveal ten minutes before deadline probably saves you with the number of people in thread.

[bhlloy]

Thinking about this a little more before I get some sleep, I do wonder that the britrock kill isn't meant to frame Lathum. Possibly to move heat off Mau or just to have us running in the wrong direction. Hmmm

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Thinking about this a little more before I get some sleep, I do wonder that the britrock kill isn't meant to frame Lathum. Possibly to move heat off Mau or just to have us running in the wrong direction. Hmmm

I debated that but only one way to find out...

[Narcizo]

Ah OK. So this still happens does it?

Knee-jerk reaction is that I think we have to look at the people who voted DT late. I thought his play indicated wolf or roled and the wolves knew he wasn't wolf so they'd be very interested in voting him.

Of course it's hard to blame anyone for sticking a day one vote on him given the quasi-reveal/hint things. Annoyingly I was going to suggest Venkman out and out revealing today as it's doubtful the wolves would risk a wasted night kill just to take out the duke but with only two ghostbusters left I don't think we can go that route. Anyway I believe it is time for the narcalysis.

[Narcizo]

Day One

20:43 #46 Lathum votes Autumn (1)
20:51 #49 Coffee votes Danny (1)
02:35 #57 Narcizo votes DaddyTorgo (1)
09:30 #68 Autumn votes Lathum (1)
09:43 #69 Britrock votes Chubby (1)

11:05 #75 Packer votes Autumn (2)
11:15 #76 Bhlloy votes Packer (1)
11:43 #82 murrayyyyy votes Coffee (1)
12:34 #85 mauchow votes Danny (2)
12:47 #89 Danny votes Lathum (2)

13:09 #91 Coffee unvotes Danny (1)
13:34 #95 Hoops votes DaddyTorgo (2)
14:13 #99 Coffee votes Packers (2)
14:32 #108 Chubby votes Mau (1)
15:54 #114 Pass votes Mau (2)
15:58 #119 Coffee unvotes Packers (1)
15:58 #119 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (3)
15:59 #120 mau unvotes Danny (0)

16:07 #127 Mau votes Coffee (2)
16:15 #129 fontisian votes Lathum (3)
17:18 #134 britrock unvotes Chubby (0)
17:18 #134 britrock votes Coffee (3)
17:24 #137 Lathum unvotes Autumn (1)
17:24 #137 Lathum votes mau (3)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy unvotes Packers (0)
17:46 #139 Bhlloy votes Lathum (4)
17:53 #140 Lathum unvotes Mau (2)
17:53 #140 Lathum votes Coffee (4)

18:04 #146 Coffee unvotes DaddyTorgo (2)
18:04 #146 Coffee votes mau (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum unvotes Coffee (3)
18:31 #150 Lathum votes mau (4)
18:53 #160 Packer unvotes Autumn (0)
18:53 #161 Packers votes Coffee (4)
19:22 #171 Zinto votes Lathum (5)
19:58 #182 Mau unvotes Coffee (3)
19:58 #182 Mau votes DaddyTorgo (3)

20:00 #187 Danny unvotes Lathum (4)
20:00 #187 Danny votes DaddyTorgo (4)
20:02 #189 Lathum unvotes Mau (3)
20:02 #189 Lathum votes DaddyTorgo (5)
20:05 #199 DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (5)
20:28 #208 Coffee unvotes mau (2)
20:28 #208 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (6)
20:29 #210 Daddy unvotes Lathum (4)
20:29 #210 Daddy votes Coffee (4)

20:50 #232 Brit unvotes Coffee (3)
20:50 #232 Brit votes Lathum (5)
20:50 #233 Daddy unvotes Coffee (2)
20:50 #233 Daddy votes Lathum (6)
20:53 #241 Zinto unvotes Lathum (5)
20:53 #241 Zinto votes Daddy (7)
20:57 #265 Chubby unvotes mau (1)
20:57 #265 Chubby votes Daddy (8)

[Narcizo]

Day One Tally:

8 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95), mauchow (182), Danny (187), Lathum (189), Coffee Warlord (208), Zinto (241), Chubby (265)
5 Lathum - Autumn (68), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), britrock88 (232), DaddyTorgo (233)
2 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), PackerFanatic (161)
1 mauchow - Passacaglia (114)

No Vote: Katylied

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Anyone want to hazard a guess on "why britrock' for the night kill?

Anytime Danny or you aren't the night one kill it makes me think that one of you is a wolf and you don't want to announce it.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by JAG

5 Lathum - Autumn (68), Danny (89), fontisian (129), bhlloy (139), Zinto (171)
4 mauchow - Chubby (108), Passacaglia (114), Coffee Warlord (146), Lathum (150)
4 Coffee Warlord - murra5y (82), mauchow (127), britrock (134), PackerFanatic (161)
2 DaddyTorgo - Narcizo (57), hoopsguy (95)

Have not voted: DaddyTorgo, KatyLied

That is post #173

I'm interested in hearing from mau why, when he was in joint second place with Coffee, he took his vote off of Coffee and put it elsewhere. Strikes me as a ballsy move as he risks narrowing the field down to two candidates - one of whom is himself. All it needed was for someone to vote you at that stage and you'd be in trouble. Lathum might like to explain why he hopped onto DT as well.

[Narcizo]

Not seeing the wolfy vibe from Lathum apart from the "verrry innnteresting" post which seemed a bit passive-aggressive. Then again I don't really get a good read on Lathum - although he does seem to have calmed down since the last time I played. As a whole I'm not fantastically excited at the prospect of chasing the number two vote getter from day one today. You can wind up driving down a blind alley and getting nowhere.

I need to reread posts trying to ignore the Mau-Daddy-Coffee-Lathum interactions. See who's trying to glide through.

[Narcizo]

Were you around at deadline Bhlloy?

[JAG]

Lathum 2 - murra5y (329), bhlloy (337)
Autumn 1 - Lathum (326)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Lathum might like to explain why he hopped onto DT as well.

I was moving to anyone I thought would keep me alive. Once DT starts waffling around it makes it a no brainer.

Knowing I am a villager I am starting to wonder if there were some late wolves on DT given the fact he hinted at having a role. They would have known he wasn't a wolf, so would be a pretty good target to try and nail a rolled villager.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Unvote Mau

Vote DT

Originally Posted by Zinto

Well I am not looking for a tie so..

Unvote Lathum
Vote DT

Originally Posted by Chubby

unvote mau
vote DT

no ties BS at deadline

people who switched to DT after his I'm just a villager/you really don't want to vote me episode....

I would like to know why these 3 switched from me to DT.