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Old 03-13-2007, 05:57 PM   #301
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Taking Path's quote above, this is what I see the current votes as:

ITC 2 -- Cronin(241), Ardent(264)
Bullet 2 -- Chief Rum(272), Molson(276)
Narcizo 1 -- Beargrowlz(255)
Molson 2 -- Bullet(279), ImTheCrew
Cronin 1 -- Narcizo(280)

With these left to vote:

AlanT
Dodgerchick
Path12
bulletsponge
Molly Murphy
Saldana


I'm going to vote Path I think for now, just to get a vote in (just in case something happens and I can't get back on in the next 2 hours). Also to see what happens with this vote. I dont like ties, so if I had to choose between ITC, Molson or Bulletsponge I guess for now I'll move my vote to Bulletsponge later if Path will end up being a throwaway vote.



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Old 03-13-2007, 05:59 PM   #302
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Well I started typing my post up like 10 min ago and stopped because of doctors that I was talking to. Anyways DC obviously voted since then.. so thats 4 people tied at 2 votes now. I still think I'd vote for Bulletsponge to break the tie if need be out of the 4
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:01 PM   #303
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double dola

and obviously Bullet voted so he shouldnt be included on the list of people who havent voted.

Its just Saldana, Path and Molly right now I think
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:01 PM   #304
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Alan, do you think there's anything to bullet being the merc?
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:05 PM   #305
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Alan, do you think there's anything to bullet being the merc?

I don't really know if I draw that conclusion based on his play. I think Bullet is playing like he normally does. Usually posts alot more smiley faces and short posts than a longer Chief Rum type post. Its just his play style. I don't know that I saw much different here, just I would vote for him based on that over other options just because I have a hard time figuring a wolf out of someone who doesn't post much content.

If he is the merc, then fine with me if we vote him out. Would rather vote out the merc than a good guy any day.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:06 PM   #306
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Just so there isnt any later confusion with my most recent post list being wrong.. here is the current votes:

TC 2 -- Cronin(241), Ardent(264)
Bullet 2 -- Chief Rum(272), Molson(276)
Narcizo 2 -- Beargrowlz(255), Dodgerchick
Molson 2 -- Bullet(279), ImTheCrew
Cronin 1 -- Narcizo(280)
Path 1 -- Alan T

With these left to vote:

Path12
Molly Murphy
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:08 PM   #307
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ok ill say this once, when i voted for Saladana yesterday it was a completly random vote, i didnt read many posts before i voted, im lazy. if my votes ever make no sense its probably because i didnt read many posts

all my votes on the first days are random

I respect the day one random vote, but my gut still says to go with you. There is a lot of speculation out there around you and my gut all along today has been to go with you since you have been very vague with you posts and I have no history in games with you.

I am leaving my meetings today to go to a dinner meeting so may not be back before the end of voting. I hope my gut is right that you are a wolf and if it is not, then I hope you are still around tomorrow.

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Old 03-13-2007, 06:10 PM   #308
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I don't follow here Path. Ardent had a one time use item. Why would him coming out now be bad? If anything its the perfect time just in case he dies later. Him dying with information seems rather pointless when he isn't protecting a role. I think either you're doing something fishy here or just didn't quite follow the rules and ardent's story closely. My gut tells me you're a better player than that and since you already were on my list of people I was watching, it only made me more suspicious of you.

That's just a mistake on my part, I got mixed up with one of the interrogator roles. I'm kind of scattered this week. But I can certainly understand if it raised an eyebrow with you.

So basically, um, nevermind. :o
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:16 PM   #309
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So bullet is on the block. I'll move my vote to break a tie if need be. Curious to hear some analysis from saldana.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:17 PM   #310
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I'm out for awhile. Will be back to vote before deadline. Would obviously vote to protect myself.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:40 PM   #311
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hi all, i am back and all caught up. sucks that the techie bought it last night...i guess i can buy the random/not really paying attention thing from bullet for now, and since i dont like the way he seems to know more than he should, i will

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Old 03-13-2007, 06:42 PM   #312
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And we're tied again.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:54 PM   #313
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once again, I dont like ties.

unvote path
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:32 PM   #314
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Bullet 4 -- Chief Rum(272), Molson(276), MollyMurphy, Alan T
ITC 3 -- Cronin(241), Ardent(264), saldana
Narcizo 2 -- Beargrowlz(255), Dodgerchick
Molson 2 -- Bullet(279), ImTheCrew
Cronin 1 -- Narcizo(280)
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:39 PM   #315
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I don't want to risk the spies being able to mess with the vote by going Narc, so I will

VOTE BULLET

Have to run again, back later tonight.
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:42 PM   #316
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Dola, by mess with the vote I mean tie it up.
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:44 PM   #317
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ohh i see the knives are out! Be warned Americans, hang me and you will be hanging a powerful ally!
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:46 PM   #318
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ohh i see the knives are out! Be warned Americans, hang me and you will be hanging a powerful ally!

So by this statement you are admitting to be the merc? Want to tell us much about your role? Maybe you can convince us otherwise. I doubt it, but its your only shot
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:52 PM   #319
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Pretty quiet near the deadline.

I'm more or less stumped by the game so far.
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:53 PM   #320
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Bullet 5-- Chief Rum(272), Molson(276), MollyMurphy, Alan T, Path
ITC 3 -- Cronin(241), Ardent(264), saldana
Narcizo 2 -- Beargrowlz(255), Dodgerchick
Molson 2 -- Bullet(279), ImTheCrew
Cronin 1 -- Narcizo(280)


7 minutes until deadline
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:56 PM   #321
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Pretty quiet near the deadline.

I'm more or less stumped by the game so far.

I'm not quite so stumped. I'm more or less certain that bullet = merc, and ITC = kgb. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:00 PM   #322
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:01 PM   #323
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You all gather together hoping for better results today. There is a lot of discussion and in the end it is determined bulletsponge has been acting strange lately and he emerges as the top suspect. He assures you he is on your side but the masses have spoken. The commanding officer steps up and with a single shot ends bulletsponges life.

A search of his quarters show an abundance of weapons as well and several bottles of no doze. Bulletsponge was the night watchman!!

Night 2 has begun deadline 9:00 AM


Bullet 5-- Chief Rum(272), Molson(276), MollyMurphy, Alan T, Path
ITC 3 -- Cronin(241), Ardent(264), saldana
Narcizo 2 -- Beargrowlz(255), Dodgerchick
Molson 2 -- Bullet(279), ImTheCrew
Cronin 1 -- Narcizo(280)
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:02 PM   #324
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:03 PM   #325
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Well.. I'm on a roll. =\

I thought Saldana was the night watchmen personally though. So much for me being anywhere close to right.
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:03 PM   #326
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And for the record, next time someone is a bodyguard and its pretty clear for hours they are going to be lynched.. Please say something.
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:08 PM   #327
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And for the record, next time someone is a bodyguard and its pretty clear for hours they are going to be lynched.. Please say something.

Yes, please.
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:16 PM   #328
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:19 PM   #329
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Seer, bodyguard.

*sigh*. Ever feel like you suck at this game?
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:46 PM   #330
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Everyone sure cleared the hell out of here.

We need some luck now, but it ain't over.
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:07 PM   #331
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And for the record, next time someone is a bodyguard and its pretty clear for hours they are going to be lynched.. Please say something.

Voice from the beyond
*why the hell would i do that, you hanged me, im screwing someone over with me!*
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:08 PM   #332
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so much for me not posting in here again.

wow that sucks and yes path i always feel like i suck at this game.
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:11 PM   #333
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i have a strong suspicion that mollymurphy might be a baddie. It's the timing of her vote against bullet that has me suspect her.

alright, i gotta get ready for work.
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:11 PM   #334
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Now filling in for Dodgerchick I give you barkeep49!!
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:12 PM   #335
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Assuming I make it through the night, and barring further revelation, I'm planning to vote ITC again tomorrow.
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:12 PM   #336
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hey, welcome to the game BK ... drive carefully
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:39 PM   #337
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That's weird timing for BK to enter. Hmmph.
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Old 03-14-2007, 12:03 AM   #338
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And for the record, next time someone is a bodyguard and its pretty clear for hours they are going to be lynched.. Please say something.

I 100% agree. When I was suspicious and asking questions, I wish you had brought this up.
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Old 03-14-2007, 12:32 AM   #339
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For the record in case I die tonight, I plan on probably voting Saldana tommorrow. From things he said it made me feel he had a role of some kind. He introduced himself as Jack Armstrong, and I know that I did not receive a name with my role. So that told me either named roles or special roles were named or he was a bad guy trying to blend in.

So since the seer and bodyguard are both dead, it no longer is a concern for me to press this. Its why I tried to kind of protect him the first two days assuming he was the bodyguard. Its still possible that he is the duke.. but the great thing is if he is, and we vote for him, then at the end he can just turn the vote to have me lynched anyways

Anyways.. we've run out of important good roles so now Im more suspicious of him.
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Old 03-14-2007, 01:00 AM   #340
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*why the hell would i do that, you hanged me, im screwing someone over with me!*

Um... so that people don't lynch you. Alternatively you could try to make a slight effort not to look very suspicious when you have a major role so you don't screw over your own team and make it easy for the bad guys.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:32 AM   #341
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I tapped cronin's phone last night, hoping to hear something useful after the day actions. I got nothing. Zilch. Either the dude has a secure cell phone or he didn't have a night action.

Out of interest why did you choose to tap Cronin's phone? Seems like you think there were more suspicious people out there. I presume you would tap the phone of the person you find most suspicious.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:44 AM   #342
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Day 1 Voting in my short experience has never showed any signs of anything to me because how could it? im pretty sure there are only "Night" Actions, but i might be wrong. i dont know why people take so much stock into D1's no one has any way of knowing anything inless someone leaks what their role is, which i have yet to notice.

We caught Daddy Torgo in the Big City game partly because of his day one voting activities. There, that's my one experience of a WW game so that makes it an 100% record. Unless we're just going to blithely go along voting based on hunches or feelings until we're all dead I think we might want to start trying to find some sort of meaning somewhere. Without a seer or bodyguard we don't have an awful lot to go on. To be honest, unless the bad guys screw up, I think we're toast but we can at least try to make them work for their win.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:01 AM   #343
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You gotta be kidding me.

I don't want to pile on here, but I have to say it; honestly, folks, if you're a key role for good, don't sit there and die without saying what the heck you are! That's just not having your head in the game if you are the BG and you buy it this early.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:11 AM   #344
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I've been trying to track down why I get a wolfy vibe from St Cronin. I think it comes down to the fact that he seems very interested in declaring that he doesn't think such and such a person is acting wolfishly. He did it with me on day one and with with Alan T and Chief Rum on day two. No-one else has really expressed anything like the same degree of confidence (the nearest is Alan saying that he thinks AE scans means it's less likely the Cronin is a wolf). Why would Cronin risk publically linking himself with people who might turn out to be wolves, unless he knows that they're not?

I admit it's not much to go on. Sorry.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:22 AM   #345
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i think we need to focus on the five people that voted for bullet....especially ones that came in to make it a tie or decision....normally, i wouldnt worry so much about vote movement on a day 2, but seeing that all anyone would need was an infra red sensor to check the hallway during night one and they could have found out what bullet was doing, it wouldnt have been impossible for the enemy to have him made that fast.

and alan, i just used the jack armstrong all american boy as a turn of phrase to indicate my allegiences...i dont think you should read into that any more than its surface, but we can talk about it later if you'd like. my role pm doesnt have a name, unless regular is my first name and agent is my last.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:29 AM   #346
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i think we need to focus on the five people that voted for bullet....especially ones that came in to make it a tie or decision....normally, i wouldnt worry so much about vote movement on a day 2, but seeing that all anyone would need was an infra red sensor to check the hallway during night one and they could have found out what bullet was doing, it wouldnt have been impossible for the enemy to have him made that fast.

and alan, i just used the jack armstrong all american boy as a turn of phrase to indicate my allegiences...i dont think you should read into that any more than its surface, but we can talk about it later if you'd like. my role pm doesnt have a name, unless regular is my first name and agent is my last.

I know where you're coming from, and as the first who put a vote on bullet, let me say I would do the same in your shoes. That said, I don't know that I would leap to the conclusion there was a wolf run here to lynch bullet. I think bullet made some odd decisions/played inactive, and on Day Two, it doesn't take much to get people on to someone, because there is precious little information out there. Now, we might take a look at those who voted both our seer and bodyguard out. I know one who stands out is Alan, although I would stress that I don't feel he is a wolf, at least not from what I have seen so far. He just seems to be a guy who has placed his votes with the wrong people at the wrong time, and Alan is too smart and experienced to be that obvious were he a wolf.

I am certainly hoping night actions will dig up some information.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:35 AM   #347
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The seer was night killed Chief. But I agree I don't know how much we can read into the Bullet lynch thanks to his policy of apparently going out of his way to attract votes. It does bear looking at the 5 guys who voted for him. It seems likely that one is a wolf but I don't think there's any way to discern which one.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:41 AM   #348
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The seer was night killed Chief. But I agree I don't know how much we can read into the Bullet lynch thanks to his policy of apparently going out of his way to attract votes. It does bear looking at the 5 guys who voted for him. It seems likely that one is a wolf but I don't think there's any way to discern which one.

lol, you're right. I'm a dolt.

Oh, and I do think there is at least one wolf in the bullet vote. But I am guessing there was at least one wolf on either side of the tie vote on Day One (the one Alan broke, I mean). Wolves tend to split their votes, and I am sure they did both days.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:00 AM   #349
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Day One
Ntndeacon 4 -- MollyMurphy (55), Narcizo (68), st.cronin (92), ITC (106), Beargrowlz (127), Beargrowlz unvote (140), ITC unvote (141), alan T (153)
St.Cronin 3 -- Ardent (65), Molson (80), ITC (141)
MollyMurphy 1-- Beargrowlz (140)
Dodgerchick 1 -- Alan T (70), Dodgerchick (94), Alan T unvote (153)
Narcizo 1 -- path12 (93)
Chief Rum 1 -- Ntndeacon (57)
Saldana 1 -- Dodgerchick (47), Dodgerchick unvote (94), bulletsponge (100)
bulletsponge 1 -- saldana (107)
Daddy Torgo - path (53) path unvote (93)

Day Two
Bulletsponge 5 - Chief Rum (272), molson (276), MollyMurphy (307), Alan T (313), path (314)
ImTheCrew 3 - st.cronin (241), ardent enthusiast (264), saldana (311),
Narcizo 2 - beargrowlz (255), dodgerchick (297)
molson 2 - bulletsponge (279), ITC (284)
St.cronin 1 - Narcizo (280)
Path - Alan T (301), Alan T unvote (313)

The more I look at it the more I have a hard time reading anything wolfish in ITC's first day vote switch. I think BGs switch is far more suspicious. That's about it.

For meta-game reasons I feel pretty comfortable about Dodgerchick/Barkeep.

Lunch time.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:55 AM   #350
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I am still a little peeved at Bullet for how he went down. I said clearly several times a few hours before the lynch vote that I had planned on voting for Bullet if it remained tied up. Instead of trying to make any case whatsoever, he comes out with a line that makes him sound completely not on our side and I quoted it and even told him such and said he needed to come clean.

This was with well over an hour to go. Instead he says nothing else and appears to not even care about our side evidentally. His comment afterwards even proved that he didn't care. Basically saying if we're going to vote for him, then he'll just spite us and not even give us a chance to consider his side.

Its completely rediculous all together. I don't feel bad for keeping my vote there as I gave him a chance and he chose not to do anything with it. What I do feel bad about is us not having a bodyguard because of that decision
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