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Old 05-27-2011, 08:51 AM   #1
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Hmmm, Obama/Bush.. What a fine line...

Obama, in Europe, signs Patriot Act extension - US news - Security - msnbc.com

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Old 05-27-2011, 09:01 AM   #2
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Even more disappointing is the bullshit from Reid on immediate passage.

If you don't stop these things initially they metastasize and become impossible to root out.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:18 AM   #3
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Obama, in Europe, signs Patriot Act extension - US news - Security - msnbc.com

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Old 05-27-2011, 09:30 AM   #4
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Obama has been an incredible failure. too bad the choice in 2 years will be between him and some teaparty wacco.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:44 AM   #5
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Like Gitmo, another instance where something is so simply necessary that even a flaming liberal can do 'em
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:53 AM   #6
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The Patriot act is a complete joke. Obama deserves to be skewered over this.

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Old 05-27-2011, 11:54 AM   #7
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The Patriot act is a complete joke. Obama deserves to be skewered over this.

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Old 05-27-2011, 11:56 AM   #8
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My hat goes off to the 8 that voted against it.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:12 PM   #9
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I don't pretend to follow politics closely at all anymore, but can anyone give me some examples where the Patriot Act has been seriously abused or has caused noticeable harm? I'm just curious, but too lazy to look it up.
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Old 05-27-2011, 01:22 PM   #10
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The even more pathetic part is he has no excuse no that he got the big gun, Osama. Certainly doesn't help in the PR department to sign it following the death.

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Old 05-27-2011, 02:16 PM   #11
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If you don't stop these things initially they metastasize and become impossible to root out.
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Though...I'm referring to government programs in general.
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:19 PM   #12
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Obama has been an incredible failure. too bad the choice in 2 years will be between him and some teaparty wacco.

Yep. One like Rand Paul who actually stood up to the military industrial spying complex and tried to speak for the people.
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:22 PM   #13
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I don't pretend to follow politics closely at all anymore, but can anyone give me some examples where the Patriot Act has been seriously abused or has caused noticeable harm? I'm just curious, but too lazy to look it up.


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Old 05-31-2011, 09:46 AM   #14
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The Patriot act is a complete joke. Obama deserves to be skewered over this.

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Patriot act, the most evil piece of legislation ever implemented by a supposed democracy.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:49 AM   #15
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You think the Patriot Act is the most evil? I dunno man I vote for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to be the most evil.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:51 AM   #16
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Patriot act, the most evil piece of legislation ever implemented by a supposed democracy.

Just because it's the Internet, let's not over-egg the political banter pudding. There have been many worse, including many in this country against the natives, against slaves, against immigrants of non-European descent, etc. This is hardly any of those, and that's just in America.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:45 AM   #17
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Call me paranoid, but any piece of legislation that allows me to be detained indefinitely because of the books I take out of a library, or my internet browsing history, or electronic wire tap which requires no approval - Then I don't get to know why I have been detained and I have to prove my innocence against unseen evidence.....and this can be done to anyone of any ethnic group for any reason by nameless national security groups with little to no oversight......yep its evil.

Whilst other legislation may be/have been evil to specific groups, this one allows for something awful to be done to anybody on the basis of "National Security".
Whether or not it has actually been used this way, it provides the opportunity for evil to be perpetrated and it does it using a name that makes it seem Patriotic to do so.

Back to the President Obama signing it thing......I thought he was going to stop using this law, close Gitmo, support Gay Marriage, get the army out of foreign countries and generally make things peaceful and nice for everybody......call me cynical (as well as paranoid) but I'm not seeing much success with any of this things from him.

Sorry to go on, but this is the one piece of legislation in my life time that I have opposed from its inception and the only one that makes me worry for the future of democratic government when it can be implemented by a country as great as America.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:41 AM   #18
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You think the Patriot Act is the most evil? I dunno man I vote for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to be the most evil.

I think he was speaking strictly morally
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:48 AM   #19
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Just because it's the Internet, let's not over-egg the political banter pudding.

Sidenote: I'm stealing this line for use in another context later. Thanks for your contribution to my appearance of wit.
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Old 05-31-2011, 03:09 PM   #20
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