The Trump Presidency – 2016

[sterlingice]

As posted above, this whole damn administration can go straight to jail for insider trading, conflicts of interest, and all the other shady, illegal shit they're pulling as soon as January 21st hits.

SI

[whomario]

Good *GRIEF* just stop whatever you’re doing and watch this: pic.twitter.com/YNqHe4XGHW

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV2) August 20, 2020

I want to get that mosquito out of here. I don’t like … They’ll say it’s cruelty to animals. I don’t know. No, it’s true. They were saying the other night, the shark. They were saying, “Oh, sharks. We have to protect them.” I said, “Wait a minute. Wait.” They actually want to remove all the seals in order to save the shark. I said, “Wait, don’t you have it the other way around?” That’s true. I’m not a big fan of sharks either. I don’t know how many votes am I going to lose? I have people calling me up, “Sir, we have a fund to save the shark. It’s called Save the Shark.” I say, “No thank you. I have other things I can contribute to.”

Donald Trump Speech Transcript August 20: In Joe Biden's Hometown - Rev

[Ksyrup]

You know it's a lie/made-up conversation when the person says, "Sir, ..." That appears to be his telltale fabrication of a conversation. That, and the fact that he's speaking.

[Lathum]

Stable genius.

[albionmoonlight]

Crazy on top of crazy on top of crazy. I get it.

But I still smile at the idea that a random charity telemarketer just called up the White House and got patched through right to the President.

[Ksyrup]

OK, this thread is pretty interesting.

Spoke to a postal worker today who explained why medication is the 1st thing people noticed was missing. They said when DeJoy ordered shifts to end even if all mail wasn't delivered, carriers were told to prioritize Amazon packages, then Priority mail, then everything else 1/

— Dell Cameron (@dellcam) August 20, 2020

What caught my eye is the following:

Basically, USPS Informed Delivery, the tracking service, is totally unreliable at this point. Packages are piling up inside post offices and supervisors would rather people think their mail is stuck at a processing center than just sitting in a bin in a back room somewhere.

— Dell Cameron (@dellcam) August 20, 2020

Because I posted this on August 6th in the Random Things thread:

Speaking of deliveries, Amazon and USPS... my daughter ordered a textbook for college on July 18th on Amazon, with a delivery window of July 29-August 5. This wasn't Prime, and it obviously was a low priority shipment. Still, we could see the tracking info as it updated, and it was delivered to the Lexington USPS on July 25th. And it sat there until... August 4th, at which point it was transferred to our local USPS (15 miles away) for delivery on the 5th.

Now, I get that it probably had low priority, but why the hell did it have to sit for 10 days in Lexington? It wasn't like this was a special delivery for packages only - it was delivered through our regular mail delivery and was small enough to fit in the mailbox so the driver didn't even have to bring it up to the door.

I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation for it, but it just seems odd that it would have to sit there until the absolute last day.

So, I suppose that package is an exact example of what this thread is talking about. Not Amazon, low priority, but I'm guessing the USPS tracking on my package was accurate in that it it showed the package sitting in a backroom in Lexington for about 10 days instead of just some generic "processing center" somewhere.

[JPhillips]

Conservatives need to understand that relitigating the Charleottesville speech every time it's brought up only reminds people of a speech you'd like them to forget.

[Lathum]

DeJoy is testifying right now. I thought it was Monday.

[Lathum]

Rand Paul suggesting postal delivery goes to 2 days for rural areas. Should go over well with Trumps base.

[Lathum]

Listening to this, I actually think DeJoy could make the USPS more efficient. Problem is hes a Trump Snake who is doing exactly what he’s being accused of.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Lathum

DeJoy is testifying right now. I thought it was Monday.

Senate today, Congress on Monday is what I read some where.

[spleen1015]

@Ksyrup,

This same thing happened to us a few months ago, I think.

My son traded in his car in Virginia where he is stationed. He couldn't find his title so he ordered a new one from Indiana. It came here and my wife sent it over night USPS. According to the tracking, it 'sat' at the Indy airport for 8 days. Then magically one day it showed as arriving in VA and getting delivered within 20 minutes.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

You know it's a lie/made-up conversation when the person says, "Sir, ..." That appears to be his telltale fabrication of a conversation. That, and the fact that he's speaking.

Trump is a serial liar, sure.


That said, of all the things that come with the job, the protocol that the President is always addressed as "sir" or "Mr. President" has got to be REALLY high on this narcissist's short list of things he truly loves about being President. I'd think that any time he tells a story, lie or truth, he's gonna stick that in there because he loves people having to give him a respectful title sooooooo much.

[Lathum]

The lack of shame some of these senators have with their “questioning” is downright condescending to the American people. Dem senator asks very reasonable question about data and how much analysis went into these changes with regards to the effects on vets, seniors, etc. Then the republican from Wyoming comes in and claims DeJoy should not be responsible for fixing the post office in his first 60 days. Perhaps he also should be expected to not make it worse. He then goes on to ask how much analysis can you do in the first 60 days. Well perhaps then he shouldnt have made the changes without proper analysis? It’s clear the right is taking the track there were issues before he took over.

[Lathum]

Maybe I missed it, but waiting for someone to ask him why the sorting machines taken out were in primarily in areas Clinton won in 2016 and ask him about his personal interests In competitors.

[JPhillips]

If all of this was in place before DeJoy, there should be plenty of documentation. Dems need to demand the plannining memos, the implementation timetables, etc. I expect none of this exists, but if he's not lying, none of this happens without written planning and orders.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Stable genius.

Yeah sure is -the "best" part is at the end with barely taking a breath, he launched into his usual Israel spiel.

[JPhillips]

no really we stole it and bought a yacht you’re so stupid we can say it out loud to you and you won’t get it https://t.co/wRoOCBrjWA

— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 21, 2020

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Rand Paul suggesting postal delivery goes to 2 days for rural areas. Should go over well with Trumps base.

They'll rationalize it somehow.

[Ksyrup]

This seems... ill-advised.

BREAKING: White House takes away FDA authority to regulate COVID tests. It’s August, de-regulating & politically meddling are not what FDA needs right now.

More soon. Follow if interested.

— Andy Slavitt @ �� (@ASlavitt) August 21, 2020

Can't wait for the MyPillow Salivychloreander Test!

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Why? Plenty of free countries with even more democratic forms of government than us that have handled this just fine.

I don't think we're talking about the same 'this'. It's not just COVID. It's about culture in general, what KSyrup said, etc. Even on COVID, I don't think your statement here is accurate but it basically goes back to Burke's quote from centuries ago. You can't be free and not be moral/responsible. You have to take both of those or take neither. Self-evident to me that the US and at least most of Western societies are on a path to neither; some of them aren't on the path, they're there already.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I don't think we're talking about the same 'this'. It's not just COVID. It's about culture in general, what KSyrup said, etc. Even on COVID, I don't think your statement here is accurate but it basically goes back to Burke's quote from centuries ago. You can't be free and not be moral/responsible. You have to take both of those or take neither. Self-evident to me that the US and at least most of Western societies are on a path to neither; some of them aren't on the path, they're there already.

Like I said, tons of free countries with democratically elected leaders (more-so than here) that have no problem with this or other issues.

The United States is the outlier. Just look at the numbers.

[Brian Swartz]

I have looked at them. I don't agree with your assessment at all.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

They'll rationalize it somehow.

“How can it be fraud? We told you we were taking money out for ourselves...”

[stevew]

Wonder what the "We build the wall" mailing list is selling for. Those people would literally buy/donate for anything. I bet there is a large crossover with Amway as well.

[Lathum]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/...n-intv-vpx.cnn

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I have looked at them. I don't agree with your assessment at all.

How are we similar to Canada at all? They are free like us, have a more democratic process too. Cases and deaths are minuscule there.

Japan, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Finland, I can go on and on. In what way are we similar to them?

[Ksyrup]

That totally make sense just based on Trump's tweets.

[whomario]

In a normal presidency it'd be worth discussing the Administration trying to use mechanisms of enforcement of a deal they unilaterally terminated and how insanely stupid that is, with this one it is either just normal stupid (doing away/not bothering with stuff that turns out to be consequential, not a new one) or part of a perverted strategy that set this exact scenario up to play the "you soft europeans, how dare you side with the evil Iranians ?" card to show with what stupid people (read: anybody not bowing to Master America) Biden wants to align himself with.

[Brian Swartz]

I specifically said I wasn't just talking about COVID. I don't know how to be more clear on that.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by stevew

Wonder what the "We build the wall" mailing list is selling for. Those people would literally buy/donate for anything. I bet there is a large crossover with Amway as well.

I think any conservative list these days is an invitation to grift. Falwell Jr and LaPierre duked people out of millions. Shit, some random MAGA grifter on Twitter raised $170k after she was arrested for robbing her Mother.

Any of those lists would be gold for a scammer.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I specifically said I wasn't just talking about COVID. I don't know how to be more clear on that.

In what ways are any of those countries in danger of moving to authoritarianism?

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I specifically said I wasn't just talking about COVID. I don't know how to be more clear on that.

I would argue we are closest to the US, but less partisan politically, so that has helped us.

I would also suggest most, if not all, European countries are significantly more personally responsible than the UK, and even more so compared to the US

[Ksyrup]

I mean, if you're gonna live or die with a voting fraud hail mary, you have to cover all your bases. right?

President Trump, who's repeatedly railed against mail-in voting, says he has concerns about in-person voting as well, and wants to use law-enforcement as poll watchers on Election Day. https://t.co/y8jbU2QENf

— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 21, 2020

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How are we similar to Canada at all? They are free like us, have a more democratic process too. Cases and deaths are minuscule there.

Japan, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Finland, I can go on and on. In what way are we similar to them?

The USA is hardly similar the the Netherlands. Especially not in political system, but also in handling the COVID-19 situation. Public disobedience is very similar though, probably more disciplined in the USA. Over here it's almost like there never was a corona virus, despite that everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who got it really bad.

[RainMaker]

Shit I forgot you still do the monarch stuff too. Either way, you had 10 deaths yesterday, we had 1100.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I mean, if you're gonna live or die with a voting fraud hail mary, you have to cover all your bases. right?

President Trump, who's repeatedly railed against mail-in voting, says he has concerns about in-person voting as well, and wants to use law-enforcement as poll watchers on Election Day. https://t.co/y8jbU2QENf
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 21, 2020

We already knew this was part of the playbook when stuff started going down in Portland. He's just starting to warm people up to it now so when he throws it out at the RNC, it won't be totally new - they spin will have already been in the works.

It's going to be really coincidental how it'll all be located in blue parts of purple states, too, especially.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The lack of shame some of these senators have with their “questioning” is downright condescending to the American people. Dem senator asks very reasonable question about data and how much analysis went into these changes with regards to the effects on vets, seniors, etc. Then the republican from Wyoming comes in and claims DeJoy should not be responsible for fixing the post office in his first 60 days. Perhaps he also should be expected to not make it worse. He then goes on to ask how much analysis can you do in the first 60 days. Well perhaps then he shouldnt have made the changes without proper analysis? It’s clear the right is taking the track there were issues before he took over.

I dunno - this is what every nomination hearing sounds like these days, too, tho. There aren't even softball but relevant questions from the opposition - it's just praise for years of service and questions like "why are you so awesome?"

SI

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I dunno - this is what every nomination hearing sounds like these days, too, tho. There aren't even softball but relevant questions from the opposition - it's just praise for years of service and questions like "why are you so awesome?"

SI

Honestly, from what I heard of today this was actually a lot better than the usual grandstanding. While the GOP senators would never bring up the mail fraud aspect, I think they are all aware that there are very real issues that their constituents are pissed about. There was far less righteous indignation than usual.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by whomario

Good *GRIEF* just stop whatever you’re doing and watch this: pic.twitter.com/YNqHe4XGHW

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV2) August 20, 2020

Donald Trump Speech Transcript August 20: In Joe Biden's Hometown - Rev

You know who said that Trump hated sharks?

Stormy Daniels.

In 2011.

Trump confirms Stormy Daniels claim that he's 'terrified' of sharks | US news | The Guardian

[Ksyrup]

McSally asked donors to "fast a meal" and send the amount to her campaign. How televangelist of her.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

McSally asked donors to "fast a meal" and send the amount to her campaign. How televangelist of her.

I saw that last night. Unreal.

[kingfc22]

I see we’re going with the “hey look I love God” and “white women do you want to be attacked by those colored people” angles today.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

McSally asked donors to "fast a meal" and send the amount to her campaign. How televangelist of her.

It's going to be such a joy when Kelly Stepmoms her throat in November and we turn AZ blue

[Lathum]

Speaking of stepmoming someones throat, I would love to do that to this POS

Rush Limbaugh: “We’re supposed to feel sorry for Biden” because his wife and children died https://t.co/fqDZ8i9DMf

— Media Matters (@mmfa) August 21, 2020

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Speaking of stepmoming someones throat, I would love to do that to this POS

Rush Limbaugh: “We’re supposed to feel sorry for Biden” because his wife and children died Rush Limbaugh: “We’re supposed to feel sorry for Bidenâ€� because his wife and children died | Media Matters for America
— Media Matters (@mmfa) August 21, 2020

I mean, I get that he's (Biden's) a celebrity so we're distant from him but, yeah, feeling sorry for people who have lost loved ones is kindof what human beings do, isn't it?

SI

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Speaking of stepmoming someones throat, I would love to do that to this POS

Rush Limbaugh: “We’re supposed to feel sorry for Biden” because his wife and children died https://t.co/fqDZ8i9DMf

— Media Matters (@mmfa) August 21, 2020

I'ts funny this came up because here in Kentucky, our Rep's wife died suddenly about 2 months ago. Andy Barr's wife was in her late 30s and died of mitro valve prolapse one evening. This was about a week before our primary. Anyway, it was terribly sad, he has 2 young kids and she died out of nowhere. His challenger even pulled ads out of respect for him, etc.

He's been fairly quiet the past couple of months but of course he's in a race so he came out with the first ad I've seen since she passed. And it's literally nothing but a rehash of her death and how terrible it has been for him and his kids. I definitely expected that, but then a pivot to "and she believed this and that and I'm running to continue the values she believed in, etc." Nope. None of that. Just "I want you to remember my wife died and here's some sad pictures of me and my poor young kids alone and vote for me." It really turned me off.

[Atocep]

I can't imagine how much worse Trump is going to get over the next 70 or so days. FYI the head of the FDA is someone nominated by Trump.

The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics. Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives! @SteveFDA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 22, 2020

[PilotMan]

What's amazing to me is that the man in charge, who can quite literally get to the bottom of anything with investigations and powerful allies, is complaining that the "deep state" is actually in charge and someone needs to get to the bottom of why people won't let him do what he thinks they need to.

It's like the 27 Yankees complaining that baseball is rigged.

[JPhillips]

None of this would be happening if Trump was President.