WW CLVIII - The Princess Bride Returns (Game Over: Wolves Win!!!)

[mauchow]

Oh, shit... I edited my post to embed the video... my bad. WOn't happen again.

[Danny]

If I survive I'd have to think this clears me .

[Coffee Warlord]

STOP POSTING. YOU DEAD. STAY DEAD.

Kudos.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Danny

If I survive I'd have to think this clears me .

You're dead.

[mauchow]

I have to admit, it was funny reading that after the fact.

Good read though Danny, on Lathum last night.

[mauchow]

Lathum - Jackal

[Danny]

Good result anyway, good luck village!

[Coffee Warlord]

So did they both die, or was that the night kill?

[mauchow]

This will be interesting to see if the wolves went for JAG tonight or not.. I am assuming if no kill tonight means he made the block and we get one more scan.

[EagleFan]

After a rough night, things get much worse.

You wake to find JAG ripped to shreds like some animal attacked him. Something of unusual size, obviously.

Then you notice Chief Rum is missing. You see him lying motionless on the ground. Then you notice the perfect breasts.

Chief Rum was Princess Buttercup.

JAG was Westley.

[mauchow]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[EagleFan]

Day 5 has begun.

The deadline is 10 PM EST Monday night. I will post more details of how I will work that out. I may take Danny up on his offer next week now.

[Coffee Warlord]

Apparently the ROUS exists. That blows.

[Coffee Warlord]

Princess Buttercup - Villager role. A vision of beauty, we can only assume. She has a passive role in this game. If she is either lynched or night killed the wolves gain a 50% chance of a random conversion.

Problem.

That being said, we have a big, big list of cleared villager to nail at least the starter wolves.

[mauchow]

And four days to figure it out.

[JAG]

Death cannot stop true love, it can only delay it for a while.

Good luck village.

[JAG]

Out of game thread for the dead: Out of game thread

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by JAG

Out of game thread for the dead: Out of game thread

Grant me special access!

[JAG]

Done Pig.

[murrayyyyy]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Britrock and Zinto and the only two left alive on wheelbarrow?

[fontisian]

Nope. Narc is on Wheelbarrow and very much alive.

[fontisian]

Since we have so much time, I'll bring this up again. What's going on with Julio?

[EagleFan]

I am trying to find a replacement.

[Lathum]

Yeah. EF should replace him. Kind of meta gamey but he is likely a villager.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I am trying to find a replacement.

Try Saldana.

[murrayyyyy]

Who did JAG say he scanned? writing summation.

[mauchow]

CW and Katy?

[mauchow]

Yep, it was CW and Katy, both came back villagers.

[Coffee Warlord]

My first vote color coding should be mostly accurate from this morning. I'll do one tomorrow morning to make sure.

[Coffee Warlord]

Actually, need to update it with Danny anyway.

[PackerFanatic]

CW and Katy came back good.

What a night after a mostly boring day.

[murrayyyyy]

1) britrock88 - wheel
2) Danny - vanilla villager (day 4 iocane victim) wheel
3) Narcizo - wheel
4) JAG - Westley (night 4 shredding) wheel
5) fontisian - powder
6) Autumn - Dread Pirate Roberts (night 2 kill) wheel
7) Coffee Warlord – powder (villager according to JAG, can be clergy)
8) KatyLied (Villager according to JAG, can be clergy)
9) murrayyyyy - powder
10) Julio Riddols
11) Lathum - powder
12) Chief Rum - Princess Buttercup (night 4 kill) - powder
13) The Jackal - Prince Humperdink (day 4 lynch) wheel
14) Zinto - wheel
15) mauchow - powder
16) DaddyTorgo - vanilla villager (day 3 lynch) - powder
17) path12 - vanilla villager (day 2 lynch) wheel
18) PackerFanatic - powder
19) DQ BOY1000 - Fezzik (Night 3 kill)

If we believe JAG’s scans we have 3 left on wheel alive (Narcizo {claims to be Grandpa}, Britrock, and Zinto).

Then we have on powder (fontisian, Lathum, Mau, Packerfan). I took out the clear and myself for the theory below (I know it’s a stretch but I never had it). One of the four listed above passed the Iocane powder to The Jackal today) if we assume that Katy and Coffee aren’t the Clergyman. Clergyman can still scan as villager but I’ve got to try to eliminate some names.

Now when we see who was choices for The Jackal tonight in order was: Danny, Font, Narcizo, Lathum, Mau, Britrock, Zinto, PackerFanatic, Coffee, Katie.

If we believe Narc then odds are Brit and/or Zinto is bad guy. I find it hard to believe that no wolf went for the wheelborrow.

Also I think Jackal tried to convince me that wolves wouldn’t go for the wheelbarrow. I think they didn’t realize it would point towards a wolf. We may have two wolves in Brit and Zinto when you watch their voting records.

[Coffee Warlord]

'Bout time we take a long hard look at Zinto tomorrow.

Though there are others. Oh yes. Others.

[mauchow]

Julio in college bball thread

[EagleFan]

Heard from Julio. He will check in tomorrow.

[Coffee Warlord]

Day 1 Version A, 7:30pm

6 KatyLied - JAG (99), The Jackal (196), fontisian (205), Chief Rum (242), PackerFanatic (245), Coffee Warlord (252)
2 murrayyyyy - Lathum (156), Narcizo (237)
5 Coffee Warlord - Autumn (200), DaddyTorgo (217), mauchow (228), murrayyyyy (243), Zinto (251)
1 DQ_BOY1000 - path12 (171)
1 Lathum - britrock88 (221)

Day 1 Version A, 9:00pm

4 KatyLied - The Jackal (196), Chief Rum (242), PackerFanatic (245), Zinto (270)
7 murrayyyyy - Lathum (156), Narcizo (237), Danny (259), mauchow (262), JAG (277), fontisian (283), Coffee Warlord (285)
4 Coffee Warlord - Autumn (200), DaddyTorgo (217), murrayyyyy (243), KatyLied (273)
1 DQ_BOY1000 - path12 (171)
1 Lathum - britrock88 (221)

Day 2

path12 6 - Narcizo (395), Danny (451), murrayyyyy (477), DaddyTorgo (501), fontisian (522), The Jackal (555)
DQ_BOY1000 5 - JAG (340), path12 (410), mauchow (481), Zinto (488), Coffee Warlord (545)
JAG 4 - britrock88 (423), Chief Rum (465), DQ_BOY1000 (512), KatyLied (554)
britrock88 3 - Lathum (333), PackerFanatic (406), Autumn (525)

Day 2 Pre-Reveal

DQ_BOY1000 9 - JAG (340), path12 (410), mauchow (481), Zinto (488), Coffee Warlord (545), Lathum (562), brit (576), Autumn (578), Danny (584)
path12 5 - Narcizo (395), murrayyyyy (477), DaddyTorgo (501), fontisian (522), The Jackal (555),
JAG 3 - Chief Rum (465), DQ_BOY1000 (512), KatyLied (554)
britrock88 1 - PackerFanatic (406)

Day 3 Pre-"Reveal"

The Jackal 5 - Danny (666), murrayyyyy (755), Zinto (822), Lathum (828), mauchow (852)
DaddyTorgo 3 - Narcizo (690), DaddyTorgo (798), KatyLied (848)
Danny 2 - Chief Rum (783), The Jackal (814)
Chief Rum 3 - PackerFanatic (739), Coffee Warlord (865), fontisian (868)
Narcizo 1 - DQ_BOY1000 (681)

I've left murray back to black at this point. I skipped Day 4, since it's going to be pretty meaningless.

[Coffee Warlord]

Based on this...Zinto is my candidate today, with font and/or brit coming in a close second.

PF has been awfully under the radar. But for my money, I'm saying Zinto, followed by Font.

Mau is getting a pass based on his actions re: Jackal. He still "fits" as a wolf in my map there, but Zinto does as well, and I'd doubt BOTH of them are wolves.

Day 3 pre-reveal gets more interesting here. How many wolves really wanted to line up against Jackal, especially with it very close, and us with little information? PF and Font might be the other at that point.

[Coffee Warlord]

Isn't it about time someone asks why Lathum is still alive?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Isn't it about time someone asks why Lathum is still alive?

I was wondering that myself.

Probably not so much anymore, but I had it so refined at one point that I was virtually never a night kill because the wolves knew eventually I would get myself lynched

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Based on this...Zinto is my candidate today, with font and/or brit coming in a close second.

PF has been awfully under the radar. But for my money, I'm saying Zinto, followed by Font.

Mau is getting a pass based on his actions re: Jackal. He still "fits" as a wolf in my map there, but Zinto does as well, and I'd doubt BOTH of them are wolves.

Day 3 pre-reveal gets more interesting here. How many wolves really wanted to line up against Jackal, especially with it very close, and us with little information? PF and Font might be the other at that point.

If I go with a bit of a stretch, it seems like a wolf always tries to hide vote on a wolf early in the game. Could we be looking at Brit/Lathum combo? I mean Lathum is still alive this deep in a game. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about Zinto but I think Brit moves his way into the #2 slot (just barely ahead of Font, who has used the word scummy thirty times more than any other game I've played with her)

[murrayyyyy]

vote Britrock

It's either him or Zinto so let them fight out which one is a good guy if they both get pressure on them. Both have terrible voting and went for the wheel.

[Coffee Warlord]

Re: Lathum being night killed, all the night kills thus far have been out of necessity, or logical. Bodyguard, Seer, Autumn. Chief Rum is the only questionable choice, in my opinion. He had very little in the way of trust going - unless they knew about him having such awesome boobs.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

... unless they knew about him having such awesome boobs.

Isn't that common knowledge?

[Lathum]

They are real and they are spectacular

[The Jackal]

(ghost crickets)

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

(ghost crickets)

There isn't a vote off until Monday. Shocked there has been this much activity.

[britrock88]

I'll put this right out there, so we can use the knowledge to put a plan together going forward. (Though my use of "we" is generous, as I'll have sporadic web access until Monday.)

I'm vanilla and I have the wheelbarrow.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

(just barely ahead of Font, who has used the word scummy thirty times more than any other game I've played with her)

Scummy.

We know there's a wolf among Mau, Lathum, Packer, murra5y and myself, since someone had to give Jackal the Iocane Powder, so I'm not entirely sure why Coffee and Murra5y want to go after the people on Wheelbarrow. But like I said earlier, I think there's wolf between mau and Zinto.

Coffee: Why are giving Mau a pass for voting Jackal? I actually consider his vote more suspicious than Zinto's, as a potential busing move.

Murra5y: Can you explain your Lathum-Brit scum team logic to me?

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'll put this right out there, so we can use the knowledge to put a plan together going forward. (Though my use of "we" is generous, as I'll have sporadic web access until Monday.)

I'm vanilla and I have the wheelbarrow.

Im assuming from the lack of responce to this that no one else is claiming to have the Wheelbarrow. This looks really helpful until you realize that there is only one town role left with an ability, assuming Narc isn't lying. I could see a wolf trying to buy trust with an item that has really lost its usefulness to them. On the other hand, I would have expected the wolves to use the Wheelbarrow to block JAG yesterday if they had it.

Anyway, I'd like it if Brit could give the Wheelbarrow to a confirmed towny who then comes forward to confirm that they received it. That person should them pass the wheelbarrow on to another confirmed towny (or keep it for themselves) but not say who in order to avoid the wolves night killing the Wheelbarrow owner while ensuring that it is in towny hands. Make sense?

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Scummy.

We know there's a wolf among Mau, Lathum, Packer, murra5y and myself, since someone had to give Jackal the Iocane Powder, so I'm not entirely sure why Coffee and Murra5y want to go after the people on Wheelbarrow. But like I said earlier, I think there's wolf between mau and Zinto.

Coffee: Why are giving Mau a pass for voting Jackal? I actually consider his vote more suspicious than Zinto's, as a potential busing move.

Murra5y: Can you explain your Lathum-Brit scum team logic to me?

Im assuming from the lack of responce to this that no one else is claiming to have the Wheelbarrow. This looks really helpful until you realize that there is only one town role left with an ability, assuming Narc isn't lying. I could see a wolf trying to buy trust with an item that has really lost its usefulness to them. On the other hand, I would have expected the wolves to use the Wheelbarrow to block JAG yesterday if they had it.

Anyway, I'd like it if Brit could give the Wheelbarrow to a confirmed towny who then comes forward to confirm that they received it. That person should them pass the wheelbarrow on to another confirmed towny (or keep it for themselves) but not say who in order to avoid the wolves night killing the Wheelbarrow owner while ensuring that it is in towny hands. Make sense?

I'll be honest, I don't think Packer or me are wolves so I consider it Mau, Lathum or you who is the one who passed it. Jackal made a big deal about Packer not gaining any steam when he got votes, two different days. I don't think Jackal would go that out of the way trying to get villagers to join his vote on Packer multiple days.

Also Jackal jumped off Zinto and tried to get on the kill Julio bandwagon that had about 3 minutes of steam(with you might I add). Hence, I've got you as a little scummy.

When I played as a wolf(Brit, Autumn and Bullet), they always talked about hiding a wolf vote on another wolf vote early. Out of everyone who got votes the first day, one is "unknown" (if you believe I'm village). Lathum and who voted for Lathum...Brit. Next day Lathum lays a vote on Brit. I'm pretty sure it's his only day Lathum had a vote in the end. Brit, Lathum and Zinto have gotten no steam in votes yet.

Britrock claims to have the wheelbarrow and I stated the other day 3 names that I thought of as wolves would go for that item. One of those ended up being a wolf. I really think both Brit and Zinto are wolves.

Also why would they waste the wheelbarrow on JAG? They knew they could night kill him.

Also the passing idea will never work. Even if he hasn't used it already (which I think it was used last night, preventing someone from voting), all they have to do is have another wolf say, I've got it now or possibly one of the 2 "cleared" because the Clergyman scans as a villager. Brit (as a wolf) passes to the Clergyman and you just gave two wolves a free pass.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by fontisian

We know there's a wolf among Mau, Lathum, Packer, murra5y and myself, since someone had to give Jackal the Iocane Powder, so I'm not entirely sure why Coffee and Murra5y want to go after the people on Wheelbarrow. But like I said earlier, I think there's wolf between mau and Zinto.

Coffee: Why are giving Mau a pass for voting Jackal? I actually consider his vote more suspicious than Zinto's, as a potential busing move.

For the first part, I'm not paying attention to the items at all, when it comes to choosing candidates.

For the second, he's got a (very slight) pass right now, not because he VOTED Jackal, but because he was the first to call bullshit on Jackal after he revealed. It could very well be an attempt to gain trust (especially since they would know fully well it would be countered), but he gained a point on that to me.