WW - Zombie Apocalypse - Game Over, Zombies Win - Page 3

Danny · 12-07-2009, 08:19 PM

Deadline was 20 minutes ago

PurdueBrad · 12-07-2009, 08:24 PM

Well, now I'm rooting for the zombies to revive me.

Danny · 12-07-2009, 08:25 PM

but then we would just vote you again.

EagleFan · 12-07-2009, 08:27 PM

deadline

EagleFan · 12-07-2009, 08:27 PM

Sorry, got watching the Iverson return and lost track of time.

EagleFan · 12-07-2009, 08:29 PM

Final Vote:

Danny 3 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67), PurdueBrad (89)
Schmidty 1 - Chief Rum (72)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)
PurdueBrad 4 - Telle (73), hoopsguy (77), Schmidty (84), Danny (93)

EagleFan · 12-07-2009, 08:35 PM

After a day long very mild debate you narrow it down to two candidate. In a close race you chose PurdueBrad over Danny.

PurdueBrad, you must be te cause of this infection, this deadly demonic virus!

"No!!!! I am n..."

You grab him before he can protest any longer. Someone finds a still warm shtgun, obviously the tool that saved you earlier and turns it towards PurdueBrad.

A shot rings out. PurdueBrad lies motionless on the floor. You slowlyedge closer to him, is he infected, you must be careful.

One of you volunteers to search him but you find no evidence of any infection.

PurdueBrad was a vanilla villager.

claphamsa · 12-07-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Sorry, got watching the Iverson return and lost track of time.

did your brains get nomed already?

EagleFan · 12-07-2009, 08:39 PM

You try to get some sleep after a terrifying day but you know that will not be possible. You do manage to close your eyes a few times and draft off.

As you wake and count the survivors you notice something troubling. Someone is missing. You look around and find Chief Rum prone on the floor, or what is left of him. He has been devoured almost beyond recognition.

Chief Rum was a vanilla villager.

You move into day two and hope that the day yields better results or your days may be numbered.

claphamsa · 12-07-2009, 08:40 PM

im bashing all brains to make sure no one comes back!

Danny · 12-07-2009, 08:43 PM

Well, at least no roles lost.

hoopsguy · 12-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Also, no apparent signs of conversion in the writeup. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

Schmidty · 12-07-2009, 09:07 PM

Welp. This sucks.

Chief Rum · 12-07-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

You try to get some sleep after a terrifying day but you know that will not be possible. You do manage to close your eyes a few times and draft off.

As you wake and count the survivors you notice something troubling. Someone is missing. You look around and find Chief Rum prone on the floor, or what is left of him. He has been devoured almost beyond recognition.

Chief Rum was a vanilla villager.

You move into day two and hope that the day yields better results or your days may be numbered.

I have been told I'm tasty. I don't think this is what was meant.

Good luck villagers!

J23 · 12-07-2009, 10:59 PM

Hey all, sorry for not being around day1. Catching up on posts now.

J23 · 12-07-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, no apparent signs of conversion in the writeup. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

I'm not sure that we'd see any signs of infection. From the role descriptions, it doesn't say anything about the infector killing people, just the infected. If this wasn't just something left out on accident, then we certainly have at least 1 infected and the 1 infector to begin with(I'm assuming we have this role which isn't a huge leap IMO).

EF did state that there were restrictions on the infector's conversion mechanic, but didn't disclose them.

Actually, I think it's a pretty safe bet that someone likely got converted night one if it is an "uphill battle" as EF said in post 12, unless they targeted one of the 3 immune roles.

If we started with 14 people, and a minimum of 2 zombies as I speculated above, we'd be at best case, 10-2 at this point, but I'd think 9-3 or even 8-4 might be more likely.

The Jackal · 12-07-2009, 11:47 PM

i apologize for missing the lynch, my internet went down for a couple of hours and i just gave up and did other things

hoopsguy · 12-07-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I'm not sure that we'd see any signs of infection. From the role descriptions, it doesn't say anything about the infector killing people, just the infected. If this wasn't just something left out on accident, then we certainly have at least 1 infected and the 1 infector to begin with(I'm assuming we have this role which isn't a huge leap IMO).

EF did state that there were restrictions on the infector's conversion mechanic, but didn't disclose them.

Actually, I think it's a pretty safe bet that someone likely got converted night one if it is an "uphill battle" as EF said in post 12, unless they targeted one of the 3 immune roles.

If we started with 14 people, and a minimum of 2 zombies as I speculated above, we'd be at best case, 10-2 at this point, but I'd think 9-3 or even 8-4 might be more likely.

1.) EF did say that the game was going to play out more like standard WW after seeing he did not have as many men as hoped.
2.) In many, but not all, cases of conversion there is something in the writeup to suggest that result
3.) Work through the conversion metric if the conversions happen even every other night. We most likely have a quick game, barring highly powerful roled players that are not listed in the rules

Darth Vilus · 12-08-2009, 01:48 AM

hey everyone, sorry i didnt vote today, i completely forgot that the game started. won't happen again, i promise. so not the best day today but definitely not the worst. No roles losst :-) !!!! And ive never played a ww where we nabbed a wolf on the first day so no surprise there

Danny · 12-08-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

hey everyone, sorry i didnt vote today, i completely forgot that the game started. won't happen again, i promise. so not the best day today but definitely not the worst. No roles losst :-) !!!! And ive never played a ww where we nabbed a wolf on the first day so no surprise there

slacker!

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 09:31 AM

EF, would you be willing to share the order of actions for the seer vs the conversion? In other words, if the seer scanned the person who was going to be converted would the target scan human or zombie?

Since there was a kill last night that suggests there was at least one zombie to start. So the seer had a shot of getting something today.

claphamsa · 12-08-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

EF, would you be willing to share the order of actions for the seer vs the conversion? In other words, if the seer scanned the person who was going to be converted would the target scan human or zombie?

Since there was a kill last night that suggests there was at least one zombie to start. So the seer had a shot of getting something today.

but if there was only one zombie... it would be the infected who is cunning!

KWhit · 12-08-2009, 09:35 AM

Sorry I missed the vote too. I have not been in WW mode in weeks, so it totally slipped my mind that I had to check the thread.

Sorry x 100.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

but if there was only one zombie... it would be the infected who is cunning!

May have to re-read the rules then, as I thought the Infector did not kill. So the fact that we had a kill last night made me believe we had a non-Infector out there.

I'll check it now, post again if my version above seems off-base.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 10:26 AM

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Zombie Roles:

The Infector - You are the cause of this infection. You grew tired of life and spent years developing this bacteria which would turn humans into mindless and soulless flesh craving eating machines. You may attempt to infect other players each night. If successful they will become members of your zombie horde. You have the cunning ability and will not scan as a zombie.

Infected - You are a vanila zombie. If you have been infected you will begin to crave the flesh of humans. Each night one infected will be chosen to perform a kill.

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 10:28 AM

EF, I have another question and this is one that probably should have come up pre-game but ...

Is the Infector a standard wolf that can communicate with the other wolves/zombies? The rules seem to suggest that the Infector creates the zombies, so he would know who they are. But can a human communicate with the zombies? If the Infector cannot communicate with them, then do the zombies know who is the Infector is?

If this is stuff that you cannot comment on, I understand. But I figured I may as well ask the questions.

The Jackal · 12-08-2009, 10:31 AM

That's tough for the seer unless we know for sure whether or not the Infector can kill. Hoops interpretation seems to make sense.

The Jackal · 12-08-2009, 10:32 AM

Seems we had a few people who's brains were still in holiday mode, let's make sure we don't let that happen again today. I'm working the next two nights so will be gone from 5 till after the deadline, and my vote will come prior.

The Jackal · 12-08-2009, 10:39 AM

Another question that you may not be able to answer, do the zombies get a conversion and kill attempt every night since there a few people immune to infection or do they have to choose?

EagleFan · 12-08-2009, 10:49 AM

If the seer scans a person on a night they are converted the scan happens after conversion.

The "wolves" function just as a standard set of wolves. They have PM rights. There is no "outsider" wolf role (without PM rights) as there was in 42 Attempts game.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

Basically this game is much closer to a normal game of WW due to the small number of players.

EagleFan · 12-08-2009, 10:54 AM

I may not have much access to the site today. Between other issues which have come up today and have all been given highest priority and having a client upgrade this morning I am swamped.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 11:07 AM

OK, one more question for you then, EF:

Since it is closer to a "normal" game at this point, can you let us know if the wolves have the ability to both convert and kill on the same evening? Or would this be an either/or choice for their night action?

claphamsa · 12-08-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.

pretty far reach to say any wolf wouldnt be able to kill.... it maybe true.... but wow

KWhit · 12-08-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

pretty far reach to say any wolf wouldnt be able to kill.... it maybe true.... but wow

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

J23 · 12-08-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.

This was the same conclusion that I came to in my post last night.

RealDeal · 12-08-2009, 12:10 PM

I think for the time being we have to assume there are multiple wolves.

I'm looking at the Purdue vs. Danny vote. Obviously, it's importance will turn on whether or not Danny is a wolf. There wasn't a lot of vote switching, but there were a few votes on Purdue thrown in fairly late in the voting cycle.

I'm also open to any information we can get from villagers. The seer has reason to lay low for a few more turns, but otherwise I am always a big advocate of getting information out sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we may end up with another blind vote.

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

If he isn't then I will. I expect Hoops to die N1 every game and when he doesn't it raises my eyebrows.

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RealDeal

I think for the time being we have to assume there are multiple wolves.

I would agree with that. My guess from what EF is telling us is that there either isn't going to be conversions in this game or they are going to be on a limited basis rather than what is intended. I could see the infector having a one time conversion power to bring the wolves number up inline to whatever EF has decided would balance the game.

claphamsa · 12-08-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

i think it makes 0 sense, and EF says as much in his explanation.

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:48 PM

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

Maybe I'm wrong but a quick scan of the thread and I don't see anything from Telle.

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Maybe I'm wrong but a quick scan of the thread and I don't see anything from Telle.

Scratch that. She voted yesterday.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

If he isn't then I will. I expect Hoops to die N1 every game and when he doesn't it raises my eyebrows.

I get my share, and then some, of N1 deaths

Telle · 12-08-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

I haven't seen Lathum yet.

hoopsguy · 12-08-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

i think it makes 0 sense, and EF says as much in his explanation.

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I haven't seen Lathum yet.

Odd, I remember Lathum lurking in thread yesterday about the time someone made the "I blame Lathum" joke.

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If the seer scans a person on a night they are converted the scan happens after conversion.

The "wolves" function just as a standard set of wolves. They have PM rights. There is no "outsider" wolf role (without PM rights) as there was in 42 Attempts game.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

Basically this game is much closer to a normal game of WW due to the small number of players.

This is for Hoops. A standard set of wolves would imply that every wolf can kill IMHO.

claphamsa · 12-08-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...

i never said in any ways you are a wolf......

claphamsa · 12-08-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...

although you are acting kinda funny :P trying to get scanned?

dubb93 · 12-08-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

although you are acting kinda funny :P trying to get scanned?

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

12-07-2009, 08:40 PM	#110
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	im bashing all brains to make sure no one comes back! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-07-2009, 09:07 PM	#113
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Welp. This sucks. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

12-08-2009, 01:48 AM	#119
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	hey everyone, sorry i didnt vote today, i completely forgot that the game started. won't happen again, i promise. so not the best day today but definitely not the worst. No roles losst :-) !!!! And ive never played a ww where we nabbed a wolf on the first day so no surprise there __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

12-07-2009, 08:19 PM	#101
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Deadline was 20 minutes ago

12-07-2009, 08:24 PM	#102
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Well, now I'm rooting for the zombies to revive me.

12-07-2009, 08:25 PM	#103
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	but then we would just vote you again.

12-07-2009, 08:27 PM	#104
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	deadline

12-07-2009, 08:27 PM	#105
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Sorry, got watching the Iverson return and lost track of time.

12-07-2009, 08:29 PM	#106
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Final Vote: Danny 3 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67), PurdueBrad (89) Schmidty 1 - Chief Rum (72) J23 1 - dubb93 (70) PurdueBrad 4 - Telle (73), hoopsguy (77), Schmidty (84), Danny (93)

12-07-2009, 08:35 PM	#107
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	After a day long very mild debate you narrow it down to two candidate. In a close race you chose PurdueBrad over Danny. PurdueBrad, you must be te cause of this infection, this deadly demonic virus! "No!!!! I am n..." You grab him before he can protest any longer. Someone finds a still warm shtgun, obviously the tool that saved you earlier and turns it towards PurdueBrad. A shot rings out. PurdueBrad lies motionless on the floor. You slowlyedge closer to him, is he infected, you must be careful. One of you volunteers to search him but you find no evidence of any infection. PurdueBrad was a vanilla villager.

12-07-2009, 08:39 PM	#109
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	You try to get some sleep after a terrifying day but you know that will not be possible. You do manage to close your eyes a few times and draft off. As you wake and count the survivors you notice something troubling. Someone is missing. You look around and find Chief Rum prone on the floor, or what is left of him. He has been devoured almost beyond recognition. Chief Rum was a vanilla villager. You move into day two and hope that the day yields better results or your days may be numbered.

12-07-2009, 08:43 PM	#111
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well, at least no roles lost.

12-07-2009, 09:01 PM	#112
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, no apparent signs of conversion in the writeup. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

12-07-2009, 10:59 PM	#115
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Hey all, sorry for not being around day1. Catching up on posts now.

12-07-2009, 11:47 PM	#117
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	i apologize for missing the lynch, my internet went down for a couple of hours and i just gave up and did other things

12-08-2009, 09:31 AM	#121
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	EF, would you be willing to share the order of actions for the seer vs the conversion? In other words, if the seer scanned the person who was going to be converted would the target scan human or zombie? Since there was a kill last night that suggests there was at least one zombie to start. So the seer had a shot of getting something today.

12-08-2009, 09:35 AM	#123
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Sorry I missed the vote too. I have not been in WW mode in weeks, so it totally slipped my mind that I had to check the thread. Sorry x 100.

12-08-2009, 10:28 AM	#126
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	EF, I have another question and this is one that probably should have come up pre-game but ... Is the Infector a standard wolf that can communicate with the other wolves/zombies? The rules seem to suggest that the Infector creates the zombies, so he would know who they are. But can a human communicate with the zombies? If the Infector cannot communicate with them, then do the zombies know who is the Infector is? If this is stuff that you cannot comment on, I understand. But I figured I may as well ask the questions.

12-08-2009, 10:31 AM	#127
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That's tough for the seer unless we know for sure whether or not the Infector can kill. Hoops interpretation seems to make sense.

12-08-2009, 10:32 AM	#128
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Seems we had a few people who's brains were still in holiday mode, let's make sure we don't let that happen again today. I'm working the next two nights so will be gone from 5 till after the deadline, and my vote will come prior.

12-08-2009, 10:39 AM	#129
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Another question that you may not be able to answer, do the zombies get a conversion and kill attempt every night since there a few people immune to infection or do they have to choose?

12-08-2009, 10:49 AM	#130
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	If the seer scans a person on a night they are converted the scan happens after conversion. The "wolves" function just as a standard set of wolves. They have PM rights. There is no "outsider" wolf role (without PM rights) as there was in 42 Attempts game. I hope that clears things up a bit. Basically this game is much closer to a normal game of WW due to the small number of players.

12-08-2009, 10:54 AM	#131
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I may not have much access to the site today. Between other issues which have come up today and have all been given highest priority and having a client upgrade this morning I am swamped.

12-08-2009, 11:07 AM	#132
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, one more question for you then, EF: Since it is closer to a "normal" game at this point, can you let us know if the wolves have the ability to both convert and kill on the same evening? Or would this be an either/or choice for their night action?

12-08-2009, 12:10 PM	#136
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I think for the time being we have to assume there are multiple wolves. I'm looking at the Purdue vs. Danny vote. Obviously, it's importance will turn on whether or not Danny is a wolf. There wasn't a lot of vote switching, but there were a few votes on Purdue thrown in fairly late in the voting cycle. I'm also open to any information we can get from villagers. The seer has reason to lay low for a few more turns, but otherwise I am always a big advocate of getting information out sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we may end up with another blind vote.

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