WW CLV - Royal Rumble! (GAME OVER!! RESULTS START IN POST #1401)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chubby

not at all. i'm suggesting going for a finisher or aggressive defense is much different than going for a finisher or an aggressive attack on someone else.

Ah. Why? Lathum's not worried about being attacked, he's cleared. Murray is almost dead.

[bulletsponge]

didnt both murray and Lathum try to finish Chubby yesterday also?

[DaddyTorgo]

i might vote lathum again just on principle for playing against the village.

[Autumn]

Chubby's basically been voting for who is attacking him, which doesn't tell us much about the WW game, as much as he'd like it to. It must suck to be getting knocked out of the game, but it doesn't make your attackers bad guys. Path is piling onto that, again voting a guy for a wrestling move.

I think Path is likely a bad guy, I'm 50/50 on Chubby. But there has to be at least one more, so I'll move where there might be some action.

unvote path12
vote britrock

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Ah. Why? Lathum's not worried about being attacked, he's cleared. Murray is almost dead.

"almost" dead means nothing tho and it is not out of the realm of possibility to go from healthy to finishable in one fight

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Chubby's basically been voting for who is attacking him, which doesn't tell us much about the WW game, as much as he'd like it to. It must suck to be getting knocked out of the game, but it doesn't make your attackers bad guys. Path is piling onto that, again voting a guy for a wrestling move.

I think Path is likely a bad guy, I'm 50/50 on Chubby. But there has to be at least one more, so I'll move where there might be some action.

unvote path12
vote britrock

Who said i'm getting knocked out of the game? Oh that's right, that's what you thought last night too...

[bulletsponge]

where is path? dude it seriously gives me vibes that hes never around

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chubby

"almost" dead means nothing tho and it is not out of the realm of possibility to go from healthy to finishable in one fight

I don't get your point.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

where is path? dude it seriously gives me vibes that hes never around

He was just here and voted.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

How does this help them win the game?

Seriously? Everyone ran the math earlier, go back and read it. But I get the wolf play you're doing at ignoring things.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Who said i'm getting knocked out of the game? Oh that's right, that's what you thought last night too...

My point is that if you're a villager, I think you're being blinded by the wrestling action. In these kind of games, the villagers are always sure those who are targeting them in actions are bad guys. You're just getting targeted because people want to throw someone over the ropes.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

If Chubby ends up a wolf this statement will look bad but I agree with what he says here a thousand percent and my vote would be on Autumn if we were in any better of a position than we are.

+10000

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

didnt both murray and Lathum try to finish Chubby yesterday also?

Nah, it was Lathum and I. I was thinking about leveling up and had >0 suspicion of Chubby as a wolf... I also didn't expect anyone to go after our finishable duke, as murrayyyyy and Autumn did by finishing Suicane.

[Autumn]

And people wonder why they left me alive.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Nah, it was Lathum and I. I was thinking about leveling up and had >0 suspicion of Chubby as a wolf... I also didn't expect anyone to go after our finishable duke, as murrayyyyy and Autumn did by finishing Suicane.

DING

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

And people wonder why they left me alive.

nobody is wondering

[Chubby]

[path12]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

yea murrays attack might make him a wolf. but then again Lathums a villager and hes attacking him. and Chubby might be a wolf and both them villagers.

I don't agree with Lathum's move but I know he is good.

I and apparently most everyone else did not make what would otherwise be the same decision because of the consequences if Chubby is what he says he is. murrayyyyy knew that and did it anyway.

If the trusted folk go in another direction I will move the vote. But for now it was a move that smacks of a confident wolf and I have placed my vote accordingly.

[Chubby]

Oh you think you're piddly finishing moves can get me out of the ring?

Snuka, try climbing that turnbuckle again; I dare ya. Maybe this time, you'll get a leg taken out and fall out of the ring backwards.

Rhodes, are you going to try and eat me? Is that your finisher?

[path12]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

where is path? dude it seriously gives me vibes that hes never around

What the fuck?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

What the fuck?

Nobody accused the Barbarian of ever being smart

[Autumn]

I think Path and Chubby are focusing on the wrestling action too much, whether on purpose or not. There's still days of other evidence to go on. I find it interesting that all of a sudden when we have four cleared villagers in a group of 9 (I think I'm right this time) they're voting for someone who didn't get any attention up until now. There's not much left for the wolves to choose from. If there are 4 wolves, only one guy really, plus me. Hmm.

[murrayyyyy]

Well let's see, I've attacked you twice trying to get rid of you so I wonder what I think your role is...

vote Chubby

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think Path and Chubby are focusing on the wrestling action too much, whether on purpose or not. There's still days of other evidence to go on. I find it interesting that all of a sudden when we have four cleared villagers in a group of 9 (I think I'm right this time) they're voting for someone who didn't get any attention up until now. There's not much left for the wolves to choose from. If there are 4 wolves, only one guy really, plus me. Hmm.

You are far from cleared. Did I miss the cunning wolf being taken over the top rope?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Autumn

My point is that if you're a villager, I think you're being blinded by the wrestling action. In these kind of games, the villagers are always sure those who are targeting them in actions are bad guys. You're just getting targeted because people want to throw someone over the ropes.

It is a whole different thing to argue that someone is being blinded by the wrestling action day 1 or 2 or even 3. But dude, we are at the tipping point here. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO GET RID OF ANOTHER VILLAGER. Whether it is by wrestling or voting at this point does not matter -- right now, on day 5 with no wolf caught so far, wrestling moves are as important as a vote IMO.

This is why I think Lathum made a shitty gamble -- even as I acknowledge he is on the side of the village.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by path12

What the fuck?

sorry i take that back

[Autumn]

That's why I said, "plus me."

[path12]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think Path and Chubby are focusing on the wrestling action too much, whether on purpose or not. There's still days of other evidence to go on. I find it interesting that all of a sudden when we have four cleared villagers in a group of 9 (I think I'm right this time) they're voting for someone who didn't get any attention up until now. There's not much left for the wolves to choose from. If there are 4 wolves, only one guy really, plus me. Hmm.

You are so full of shit right now. I remember why this game pisses me off so much.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by path12

It is a whole different thing to argue that someone is being blinded by the wrestling action day 1 or 2 or even 3. But dude, we are at the tipping point here. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO GET RID OF ANOTHER VILLAGER. Whether it is by wrestling or voting at this point does not matter -- right now, on day 5 with no wolf caught so far, wrestling moves are as important as a vote IMO.

This is why I think Lathum made a shitty gamble -- even as I acknowledge he is on the side of the village.

So you admit that a villager could make this "mistake" but are certain that murray is a wolf because of it? That's what i don't get.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

You are so full of shit right now. I remember why this game pisses me off so much.

He's going for the "if i talk in circles enough people will be convinced i'm really cleared because I say so" gambit

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by path12

You are so full of shit right now. I remember why this game pisses me off so much.

Maybe I'm wrong, but look at it from my perspective, not yours. There is a very small pool the wolves can pick from. They have to play up the cunning angle with me. Check. And then they have to steer the village to whoever else is left. Maybe that's you, but I don't see anyone steering to you but me. Yet I see both you and Chubby steering to Murray. What happened to Britrock who was everyone's favorite alternative until today? What about you, what about Chubby, what about bullet?

[Autumn]

Well my "circles" are done for now, Chubby. I've got to make dinner. Enjoy talking amongst yourselves.

[Chubby]

murrayyyyy has been awwwwwwwwwwwwwwfully quiet

[JAG]

Chubby, why did you vote murrayyyy instead of britrock? Both met your criteria, but britrock actually tried to attack you

[britrock88]

I have a vote count. But I'm worried about the voting dynamics of us possibly being in a 5-4 situation... should I post it?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by JAG

Chubby, why did you vote murrayyyy instead of britrock? Both met your criteria, but britrock actually tried to attack you

I'm certainly not sold on brit as a villager. I went with murrayyyyyy this morning because he hasn't gotten any heat whatsoever. After seeing the fight actions, i'm even more confidant in the vote.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Maybe I'm wrong, but look at it from my perspective, not yours. There is a very small pool the wolves can pick from. They have to play up the cunning angle with me. Check. And then they have to steer the village to whoever else is left. Maybe that's you, but I don't see anyone steering to you but me. Yet I see both you and Chubby steering to Murray. What happened to Britrock who was everyone's favorite alternative until today? What about you, what about Chubby, what about bullet?

I thought I was pretty clear about why I put murray.

I agree, there is a small pool. It is frustrating being generic because I don't know shit about what is going on while we've got at least two-three of us who can coordinate their in-thread stories.

We've got JAG, Lathum, and it appears DT as uncontested roles, so that's them.

The rest:
You (Autumn) -- good point about wolves steering cunning to you. My suspicions are simply because I know you are barking up the wrong tree with me and as such your arguments are being clouded by my frustrations about that.

murrayyyyy -- covered.

Chubby -- given we've got two people doing finishing moves on him we're likely going to find out for sure about him tonight.

britrock88 -- I've mentioned before that he is the only one of us who has had runs evaporate, very well could be bad -- but is he any more likely or not than murray?

bulletsponge -- could be bad. More likely than any of the others? No idea.

Is that everyone else? Think so. So from my point of view, I see what you are saying but is my vote for murrayyyyy egregious in comparison to any of the other candidates we have? I don't think so.

[path12]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I have a vote count. But I'm worried about the voting dynamics of us possibly being in a 5-4 situation... should I post it?

Yes please. It's not like the wolves aren't keeping track.

[britrock88]

As requested:

2 murrayyyyy - Chubby (1107), path (1197)
1 Autumn - Lathum (1122)
2 britrock - bulletsponge (1132), Autumn (1204)
1 Chubby - murrayyyyy (1223)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i might vote lathum again just on principle for playing against the village.

I don't think it is fair to say I am working against the village just because I am taking a more aggressive track.

[path12]

Lathum, are you planning on keeping your vote on Autumn? Isn't that two big gambles today?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't think it is fair to say I am working against the village just because I am taking a more aggressive track.

Put it this way. What you're doing is probably against the better odds of working for the village. DT should know about that after last game, eh?

[britrock88]

Then again, with you 3 revealed roled players in a COT, maybe the odds aren't any worse of getting a wolf by finishing Chubby. It's just a move we can trace back to one person's initiative, rather than the village's. And considering the influence the wolves can have on today's vote, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

[path12]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Then again, with you 3 revealed roled players in a COT, maybe the odds aren't any worse of getting a wolf by finishing Chubby. It's just a move we can trace back to one person's initiative, rather than the village's. And considering the influence the wolves can have on today's vote, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

On one side the CoT of three (assuming they all end up on the same place), on the other side we're figuring 3 wolves, and then the two of us who don't belong to either.

Thinking out loud here. If we vote Chubby he's out either through the ring actions or the lynch. Do we know what happens first in this instance?

If he is bad then we are at 5-2 and things look better. If he is good we are at 4-3 with a night kill coming and things look really bad.

Ugh.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Then again, with you 3 revealed roled players in a COT, maybe the odds aren't any worse of getting a wolf by finishing Chubby. It's just a move we can trace back to one person's initiative, rather than the village's. And considering the influence the wolves can have on today's vote, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

Well I can tell you that you have a 0% chance of getting a wolf by eliminating me.

[path12]

If I have any hope of getting home before deadline on the slowest fucking bus on the planet then I've got to leave now.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Maybe I'm wrong, but look at it from my perspective, not yours. There is a very small pool the wolves can pick from. They have to play up the cunning angle with me. Check. And then they have to steer the village to whoever else is left. Maybe that's you, but I don't see anyone steering to you but me. Yet I see both you and Chubby steering to Murray. What happened to Britrock who was everyone's favorite alternative until today? What about you, what about Chubby, what about bullet?

This is a very interesting point...

[DaddyTorgo]

Not a fan of your gamble Lathum...we need to work together to figure out what we're doing and I don't think that's the right play.

Now given we're basically all but dead anyways, but I think going for path/britrock/bullet/murray is a much higher probability play. Otherwise we're basically talking about like ending the game right now. Then again I guess that's what we're talking anyways, but the odds of Autumn being the specific role of cunning are less sure than the 25% odds of hitting a wolf in that grouping of 4 names.

[JAG]

I agree DT. I also felt his move at deadline last night was indicative of a villager afraid they had gotten played rather than a wolf acting (otherwise why miss the deadline if that was the plan?) I don't really like it as a percentage play, plus if we luckily manage to take out the cunning (if it isn't him), we can fully clear Autumn.

[Chubby]

i don't think any of us were actually advocating voting autumn today despite what we think.