FOF 8 Utility Suite

[Sharkn20]

Originally Posted by garion333

Greg, would it be possible (ie. easy) in Draft Analyzer for you to add a third WR group in the combine weights screen for slot receivers? Having only FL and SE in there limits the results and I'd like to be able to target some slot guys easier.

What do u consider slot WRs Garion? I am really interested in knowing. Thanks in advance.

[garion333]

Originally Posted by Sharkn20

What do u consider slot WRs Garion? I am really interested in knowing. Thanks in advance.

RR + Courage, generally. AD is certainly useful as is GD.

It's not a position I care one whiff about BPR.

[Sharkn20]

Originally Posted by garion333

RR + Courage, generally. AD is certainly useful as is GD.

It's not a position I care one whiff about BPR.

Did you have good production out of this kind of pass catchers? I guess you use them in short slants, Post Routes and 3rd down situations? (If they have 3rd down catch bar)

[garion333]

Originally Posted by Sharkn20

Did you have good production out of this kind of pass catchers? I guess you use them in short slants, Post Routes and 3rd down situations? (If they have 3rd down catch bar)

They'll never blow up the scoreboard like a stud WR, but you get more positives than negatives: http://gml.fof-belco.com/playercard.php?playerid=30023

I think a 50 rated TE is more important than a 50 rated slot WR as the TE presents more of a mismatch, generally.

However, as 113 is used so frequently I think it's important to have someone in the slot position that's going to better use the slot routes. Hence why I was hoping we could get another WR slot in Draft Analyzer.

[Ushikawa]

I would suggest just using FL for slot types and SE for true wideouts, or you know just not rely so much on the tool.

[Swiso]

Sorry guys for asking this, maybe was already discussed at long...I searched on the forum and literally dozens of post came out regarding DraftAnalyzer...but not found what I am looking for.

I am in Free Agency stage 1 and I looked at the Draft preview screen...
Since I need a couple of Tackles in the upcoming draft, I was looking at these two in particular:
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Same player in Draft Analyzer it look like this :
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Second Tackle :
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Same player in draft Analyzer:
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These are the settings of the Edit Combine Weights :
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My questions...
The white bars in the Run Blocking, Pass Blocking, Blocking Strenght, Endurance, are basically the estimated results of the scouting, or the results of the Edight Combine Werights, or what ? how I should interpret that bars ?
I am right to assume that the difference between the blu bars and the orange bars ( since one was interviewd and the other no) are not as good an indicator of the "real" abilities" of those players AS the white bars ?
How would you look at those two players ?

I guess the white bar are the result of the settings I put on the Edit Combine Weights... if I stress BJ and BP I will have results of players that should have higher white bars there ?

Another question....the dark green colored bars in DraftAnalyzer...are the most important attributes for each position ?
What are the "lines" connecting two attributes "togheter" ?

Which one of the two player would draft ?
I dont play MP games...so feel free to give me your toughts !

Thanks and sorry for this long post....I am just trying to understand how to utilize this app and all the data available, to draft better.

[garion333]

Originally Posted by Swiso

My questions...
The white bars in the Run Blocking, Pass Blocking, Blocking Strenght, Endurance, are basically the estimated results of the scouting, or the results of the Edight Combine Werights, or what ? how I should interpret that bars ?
I am right to assume that the difference between the blu bars and the orange bars ( since one was interviewd and the other no) are not as good an indicator of the "real" abilities" of those players AS the white bars ?
How would you look at those two players ? The white lines indicate roughly where the combine scores indicate the bar should/could be. If you see someone's Blocking Strength way above this white line it's a good sign. If it's way below, it's a bad sign and chances are they're a bust.

I guess the white bar are the result of the settings I put on the Edit Combine Weights... if I stress BJ and BP I will have results of players that should have higher white bars there ? No, all weights do is give you a different score and ranking within Draft Analyzer. You don't see any changes in the bars.

Another question....the dark green colored bars in DraftAnalyzer...are the most important attributes for each position ? This is a "static" bar. These bars don't move much after Training Camp or Exhibition Stage 2.
What are the "lines" connecting two attributes "togheter" ? This used to apply to masked pairs. I believe they're something that can be ignored now.

Which one of the two player would draft ? The first by a long mile.

I can go into more detail if my answers aren't clear enough.

[garion333]

Originally Posted by Ushikawa

I would suggest just using FL for slot types and SE for true wideouts

Currently I'm using FL and SE for two different types of receivers, though they're clearly very similar. One is bigger overall and the other is more of a BPR monster.

It's still easy to find what I'm looking for since all WR positions benefit from RR so much, but was hoping we'd be able to get another WR weighted slot is all.

or you know just not rely so much on the tool

Thanks, Chris Johns.

[Swiso]

Originally Posted by Swiso
My questions...
The white bars in the Run Blocking, Pass Blocking, Blocking Strenght, Endurance, are basically the estimated results of the scouting, or the results of the Edight Combine Werights, or what ? how I should interpret that bars ?
I am right to assume that the difference between the blu bars and the orange bars ( since one was interviewd and the other no) are not as good an indicator of the "real" abilities" of those players AS the white bars ?
How would you look at those two players ? The white lines indicate roughly where the combine scores indicate the bar should/could be. If you see someone's Blocking Strength way above this white line it's a good sign. If it's way below, it's a bad sign and chances are they're a bust.

Thanks, thats clear now.

I guess the white bar are the result of the settings I put on the Edit Combine Weights... if I stress BJ and BP I will have results of players that should have higher white bars there ? No, all weights do is give you a different score and ranking within Draft Analyzer. You don't see any changes in the bars.

I got it, so basically it is useful to set my on ranking on players, regardless of the grade assigned in the Draft screen...I can set my "player ranking" list...based on the attributes I value most, right ?

Another question....the dark green colored bars in DraftAnalyzer...are the most important attributes for each position ? This is a "static" bar. These bars don't move much after Training Camp or Exhibition Stage 2.

That mean that even after training camp these bars will remain more or less at the same value ? Are the ones that change less or nothing at all...
Its just an indication that these attribute will not change much or at all...

What are the "lines" connecting two attributes "togheter" ? This used to apply to masked pairs. I believe they're something that can be ignored now.

Which one of the two player would draft ? The first by a long mile.

Thanks a lot !!

[garion333]

I got it, so basically it is useful to set my on ranking on players, regardless of the grade assigned in the Draft screen...I can set my "player ranking" list...based on the attributes I value most, right ?

Yes, exactly, though I would counsel you to not go too far off what the default values are. Incremental changes are generally best because you can royally screw yourself up with some major changes. I ended up with all TE's basically being super far down the list because I wanted them to all be tall. That was stupid as I missed out on super talented, but shorter TEs who vastly outperformed the taller, mediocre TEs.

That mean that even after training camp these bars will remain more or less at the same value ? Are the ones that change less or nothing at all...
Its just an indication that these attribute will not change much or at all...

Yes, statics will generally not change much at all. There's a possibility they don't actually change, but your scouting changes on the player.

Anyway, classic FOF drafting style is to go after players with high static bars because they're an indication that the player is as good as they look (if they look studly elsewhere) or that they could boom (if the rest of the bars aren't quite as hot). A decade ago you could guarantee a stud WR pretty much by taking a WR with a max BPR bar. That's no longer the case as sometimes the game spits out WRs with a max BPR and he turns out to be junk.

Still, high statics are a good indicator that what you're seeing elsewhere is either true or the player could develop to be better. Personally I don't live and die by statics, but if all else is the same between two players, I'll take the guy with the higher static bars. The higher the better!

[Squirrel]

Big up to garion for being helpful to someone in a discussion like this

[Swiso]

Thank you very much garion333
Very very helpful !
Thanks

[Ushikawa]

Originally Posted by garion333

Currently I'm using FL and SE for two different types of receivers, though they're clearly very similar. One is bigger overall and the other is more of a BPR monster.

It's still easy to find what I'm looking for since all WR positions benefit from RR so much, but was hoping we'd be able to get another WR weighted slot is all.





Thanks, Chris Johns.

Just to be clear, is that Chris Johns the photographer and former editor of NatGeo or the author of the Gay Billionaire series?

In either case, they both seem to value tools quite a bit.

[tzach]

Yep, listen to what garion has to say.

My advice for anyone new to the game, or who wants to improve -- do a search here for all posts from garion33, Ben E Lou, Quiksand, squirrel, corbes, cuervo72, MalcPow, Sef0r, gstelmack, and I'm sure i'm missing some people.

[Iorwerth]

I seem to have a problem with the draft analyzer (ver 8.1.5.0). It worked in my last season (the first season I tried it), but this season, after I export scouting data and then fire up the program and go to load league draftees it comes up with an error saying 'Player Ids do not match up'. I presume I am doing something wrong, but can't figure out what. Any help would be much appreciated!

[corbes]

Make sure you've done both steps: export data AND export scouting data

[Iorwerth]

Thank you. I feel a bit of an idiot for not trying that!

Out of interest, what is a good split for the bars and combine? Default is 100/10. Is that a good split or should I alter it to make the relative weights closer, so that the combine score comes out around the same levels as the bars when it works out the total rating? e.g. something like 100/40

[garion333]

Originally Posted by Iorwerth

Out of interest, what is a good split for the bars and combine? Default is 100/10. Is that a good split or should I alter it to make the relative weights closer, so that the combine score comes out around the same levels as the bars when it works out the total rating? e.g. something like 100/40

Default is fine if you're using the vanilla Combine Correlation setting which is 50.

If you set Combine Correlation to 0 there is basically no correlation between the combine scores and the bars you see. In that case you'd want something like 100/1 in DA.

If you set Combine Correlation to 100 then you're going to be super heavy on combine scores. In this case you'd do something like 10/100 in DA.

Honestly I'd leave it at 50 since that's what most leagues are on and the game is generally balanced around. So, go with what DA has for default.

[Iorwerth]

Not sure what the Combine Correlation setting is. Is that attribute calc setting, which can be min, average or max? Is min 0, average 50 and max 100?

If that is correct, presume that is bars set to 100, combine to 10 and Attribute calc to average?

By the way, thanks for answering my query.

[Swiso]

Quick question...What it mean the (Ft) in this picture ?
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Maybe the height of the player ?

[SweenDawg72]

Originally Posted by Swiso

Quick question...What it mean the (Ft) in this picture ?
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Maybe the height of the player ?

It is telling you that his combine score while running the 40-yard dash is the primary factor when looking at this attribute.

[Swiso]

So Ft is the 40 dash time then.
Thank you very much.

[Sharkn20]

What the "att" stands for in the Draft Analizer?

[tzach]

I've always seen 'att' as 'attributes', and an estimate of the final ratings of the player.

[Born2Run1963]

Any idea what might cause Player Tracker to stop working for ONE specific league, while working for all others? I use this with 3 different leagues and, until a couple of months ago it worked fine for all. Now it works fine for two, but for the other, in the middle of the last pre-season it suddenly started closing down when I try to load that league:

https://imgur.com/a/Yjsqk

I've tried wiping the player data files and re-importing, but still get this error. Presuming it has to do with the way an unexpected character in a player profile, but don't know where to look for that.

[Sharkn20]

Originally Posted by tzach

I've always seen 'att' as 'attributes', and an estimate of the final ratings of the player.

Thanks

[Autumn]

I'm finding that Draft Analyzer is weighting negative combines dramatically. As in, the best combine scores give a player 8 or 9 towards his rating (I've got combine weights turned way down) but those with negative combine scores start at -98 and go up from there. What am I doing wrong? Even if I turn combine weight back up to 10, the positives go into the 20s but hte negatives still start at -80. I'm just ignoring combines to prevent this, but it seems i must have fiddled with something I should not have.

[Born2Run1963]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm finding that Draft Analyzer is weighting negative combines dramatically. As in, the best combine scores give a player 8 or 9 towards his rating (I've got combine weights turned way down) but those with negative combine scores start at -98 and go up from there. What am I doing wrong? Even if I turn combine weight back up to 10, the positives go into the 20s but hte negatives still start at -80. I'm just ignoring combines to prevent this, but it seems i must have fiddled with something I should not have.

You can adjust the negative rating level. It's the Combine Threshold Penalty. It defaults at -100. With FOF8 I put it at -1 so they still show up in red to flag them, but don't drop a guy a hundred spots for having one negative rating.

[Autumn]

Ah! Okay, thank you!

[garion333]

I leave it at -5 so it moves people a little down, but not too far. -100 is way, way too strong imho because the thresholds aren't as firm as they were back in 2k7, FOF7, etc. You had someone below a threshold in those versions they were 99.9% likely to bust, barring Volatility saving them. In FOF8, things are a bit more muddy.

[zbuckley]

Does anyone know why my bars now look like this?

[Sharkn20]

Originally Posted by zbuckley

Does anyone know why my bars now look like this?

What is the combine correlation??

[garion333]

Originally Posted by zbuckley

Does anyone know why my bars now look like this?

Look like what? Looks ok to me.

[Shuggy101]

Hey Guys

I have just found Draft analyzer, started using it with a new game. Is there any manual that has been made for it?

I am looking to find out what bars,comb,rate and draft all mean. Along with the Color bars that next to the stats.

Thanks

Shaun

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by Shuggy101

Hey Guys

I have just found Draft analyzer, started using it with a new game. Is there any manual that has been made for it?

I am looking to find out what bars,comb,rate and draft all mean. Along with the Color bars that next to the stats.

Thanks

Shaun

The info used to be in the first post before the new version came out. If you can find that thread, that would be your answer. To answer your specific question, bars is a rough estimate of the strength of the players bars, and comb a rough estimate of the strength of his combine numbers. You can alter how each of these are calculated in the edit -> edit weights screen. Draft is simply an arbitrary order of the players which will change if you assign a round to a player. For example, right click any player and assign a round and that player will become #1. Rate... I think I'd never even seen it before, but I'd guess it's a combination of bars and comb. The colors, light green is great, dark green is good, white is average, gray is bad, red and blue are terrible.

[Shuggy101]

Originally Posted by Firefly

The info used to be in the first post before the new version came out. If you can find that thread, that would be your answer. To answer your specific question, bars is a rough estimate of the strength of the players bars, and comb a rough estimate of the strength of his combine numbers. You can alter how each of these are calculated in the edit -> edit weights screen. Draft is simply an arbitrary order of the players which will change if you assign a round to a player. For example, right click any player and assign a round and that player will become #1. Rate... I think I'd never even seen it before, but I'd guess it's a combination of bars and comb. The colors, light green is great, dark green is good, white is average, gray is bad, red and blue are terrible.

Thanks man, I think I found the thread.

DraftAnalyzer7 - Front Office Football Central

[nickelback]

Can't get my rookies to load into the Draft Analyzer. Keep getting an error message that it can't find the rookies.csv.

[garion333]

Are you exporting both of these:

[user name]

if a player has no combine scores, are his available scores (like sole or position drill) then weighted heavier into the "rate" column?

I am looking at a RB who skipped the combine with 26 Sole and the DA gives him 6.57 towards his combine score.

Then I also have a RB who went to the combine with 26 Sole and DA gives 3.10 towards his combine score.

Am I missing something simple here?

[garion333]

Did you change these values:



Other than that, my guess is that DA is boosting what combine scores there are for No Combine players as a way to give them a higher Rating overall so they populate higher. This offsets the fact they don't get a "real" combine and tend to get lost in the Ratings.

[user name]

Originally Posted by garion333

Did you change these values:



Other than that, my guess is that DA is boosting what combine scores there are for No Combine players as a way to give them a higher Rating overall so they populate higher. This offsets the fact they don't get a "real" combine and tend to get lost in the Ratings.

those values are at default still. thanks for the reply

[BC Bob]

After several years away from the game, I'm returning to FOF and will be buying FOF 8. I used to use GStelmack's utility, especially his Extractor, so that I could extract eligible draft players and do various manipulations of the data in Excel to decide who to draft. I don't see that the Extractor still exists. Am I without luck on that?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by BC Bob

After several years away from the game, I'm returning to FOF and will be buying FOF 8. I used to use GStelmack's utility, especially his Extractor, so that I could extract eligible draft players and do various manipulations of the data in Excel to decide who to draft. I don't see that the Extractor still exists. Am I without luck on that?

Extractor is no longer needed, because the game itself exports csvs with the necessary info.

Control-->Archives-->Export Data

and

Control-->Archives-->Export Scouting Data

[garion333]

I'm on Windows 10 Pro and after last week's update I now get a blank window from Player Tracker. It opens and sits there, white as can be, never crashing but never opening up all the way.

I've re-downloaded the Binaries but that didn't change anything.

I deleted all the ptdat files in the Documents/StelmackSoft/UtilitySuite/PlayerTracker folder. Nada.

Is there anything else I can do? I tried different compatibility modes but also nada.

I can't figure out where the hangup is.

[Dawgfan19]

Originally Posted by garion333

I'm on Windows 10 Pro and after last week's update I now get a blank window from Player Tracker. It opens and sits there, white as can be, never crashing but never opening up all the way.

I've re-downloaded the Binaries but that didn't change anything.

I deleted all the ptdat files in the Documents/StelmackSoft/UtilitySuite/PlayerTracker folder. Nada.

Is there anything else I can do? I tried different compatibility modes but also nada.

I can't figure out where the hangup is.

Perhaps try running as administrator??? FYI, I am running the same OS with no issues.

[garion333]

Thanks for the reply, but it's already set to run as administrator. Turning that on or off it doesn't change anything.

[garion333]

Whelp, must've been something on my end (as I assumed). I ended up rolling everything back and installing drivers for hardware and whatnot fresh and now Player Tracker works without any issues.

[Higgs44]

DA.jpg

can anyone help with this?

[Higgs44]

NM... I got it.

[Mike7273]

Will there be a Gameplan Analyzer?