Thinking about 2025 schedule

QuikSand · 05-05-2009, 11:08 AM

Submitting open thoughts for the league's benevolent dictator...

2024 Schedule

** Monday 20-Apr Stadium/Staff Hiring.
Tuesday 21-Apr Summer/Ticket/FA1:1
Wednesday 22-Apr FA1:2
Thursday 23-Apr FA1:3
Friday 24-Apr FA1:4-5
* Saturday 25-Apr FA1:6-7
* Sunday 26-Apr FA1:8-12
Monday 27-Apr FA2:1 (Top Rookies Available)
Tuesday 28-Apr FA2:2
Wednesday 29-Apr FA2:3
Thursday 30-Apr FA2:4-5
Friday 01-May TC
**Saturday 02-May Preseason
Sunday 03-May OFF
Monday 04-May Regular Season Weeks 1-17
Tuesday 05-May Postseason

I'm using the 2024 schedule above, and putting a * where it seems like we could economize. We might be able to shave down 3-5 stages next season, I'd think.

-dump the ticket pricing stuff, maybe do that every few years only
-fewer sim stages in early FA, everyone there is there in late FA too
-blow through preseason in the regular season sim - no injuries, so just skip it

Open thoughts.

QuikSand · 05-05-2009, 11:14 AM

Another open thought. Why even do early free agency in this league setup? Just toss 'em all into one big bowl and have at 'em, do the late stages one at a time or something, but do everything at once. No real reason for veterans to be all by themselves in a multi-stage segment of the season, the way we do it here.

A little outside the box, but that's sort of the point.

Alan T · 05-05-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

-blow through preseason in the regular season sim - no injuries, so just skip it

Open thoughts.

I'm sure there are people who are far better than me at FOF, but I often hit computer recommendation for various things such as playing time and then modify it accordingly for the changes that I want to make. I know the AI makes radically different "suggestions" during pre-season than the regular season, so if you combined the two together, it would drastically mess me up for trying to set stuff up for the regular season I think.

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are suggesting here (which is also easily possible!)

The other suggested changes seem fine with me though.

eiskrap · 05-05-2009, 11:24 AM

I don't want to lose preseason.

I love the idea of having just one free agency bash through... Would this work though with teams on CPU though? We would have to stop them taking free agents in Free Agency 1?

wade moore · 05-05-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm sure there are people who are far better than me at FOF, but I often hit computer recommendation for various things such as playing time and then modify it accordingly for the changes that I want to make. I know the AI makes radically different "suggestions" during pre-season than the regular season, so if you combined the two together, it would drastically mess me up for trying to set stuff up for the regular season I think.

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are suggesting here (which is also easily possible!)

The other suggested changes seem fine with me though.

I think that's a decent point - but then why not combine TC and the Pre-Season?

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

-dump the ticket pricing stuff, maybe do that every few years only I have no problem with this, other than a practical one: if we say every 4 years or whatever, I'm fairly likely to forget.
-fewer sim stages in early FA, everyone there is there in late FA too I like the later suggestion of just scrapping early FA altogether.
-blow through preseason in the regular season sim - no injuries, so just skip it Come to think about it, I think I had it this way originally, but the regular season ended up falling on a Sunday in my first shcedule draft, so I just did preseason on Sunday and regular season on Monday (and then things got late anyway...effin' Carter.)

Open thoughts.

See comments above.

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm sure there are people who are far better than me at FOF, but I often hit computer recommendation for various things such as playing time and then modify it accordingly for the changes that I want to make. I know the AI makes radically different "suggestions" during pre-season than the regular season, so if you combined the two together, it would drastically mess me up for trying to set stuff up for the regular season I think.

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are suggesting here (which is also easily possible!)

The other suggested changes seem fine with me though.

That's a fair point. Rex is very different in preseason and regular season. I'll have to chew on that one.

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I think that's a decent point - but then why not combine TC and the Pre-Season?

People wouldn't be able to set anything for preseason if we did that (depth charts, game plans, playing time). Those things don't become active until after TC.

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eiskrap

I love the idea of having just one free agency bash through... Would this work though with teams on CPU though? We would have to stop them taking free agents in Free Agency 1?

Yeah. I'd have to turn those teams off of AI control for FA1. But that's not a big deal, because I have to turn them off of AI control for the draft of the crap players to work anyway. So I'd just do it earlier than I have been.

wade moore · 05-05-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

People wouldn't be able to set anything for preseason if we did that (depth charts, game plans, playing time). Those things don't become active until after TC.

Duh.

Not sure how you deal with Alan T's concern then. It doesn't impact depth charts, but it does impact playing time. If someone definitely needs rex playing time as a starting point, hard to find a way around that.

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 12:15 PM

It actually impacts depth charts, too. In quite a few cases Rex will put the rookie in during preseason, and the vet in for the regular season.

Subby · 05-05-2009, 12:18 PM

Let's focus on condensing FA and ticket pricing.

I know it sounds absurd, but some people use pre-season to test stuff.

digamma · 05-05-2009, 12:27 PM

I like the idea of just doing FA-2.

chinaski · 05-05-2009, 01:29 PM

+++1 to keeping Pre-Season. I like to play my rookies (as I dont care about seasonal rust) and test shite.

For sure on doing ticket prices every few years, but not every year.

Im torn on condensing FA to Late FA. Having all the rookies too bid on is a tad overwhelming as it is. I kinda like the division between the two phases. I see FA1 as our sole FA period and Late FA as our draft, basically. I would be down for shortening FA1 tho, to 3 rounds: 2-4, 5-7, 8-12.

Julio Riddols · 05-05-2009, 02:56 PM

I like keeping preseason seperate.

I think we need to at least sim the first stage of FA1 for re-signing RFAs and scouting draft picks, then batch-simming the rest after that is fine by me.

Im thinking the following looks good-

Hiring coaches
FA1:scouting/RFA
FA1:2-12
FA2:1
FA2:2
FA2:3
FA2:4/5
TC
preseason
regular season
post season (edited to add this 11th day, which I forgot about)

11 days. This way we don't get bogged down on early FA stages, but they're still there for re-signing those RFAs.

I know we DO need at least one RFA stage in FA1, because players playing for one team for 3 years then being forced back into the FA pool would suck.

And we need a preseason for playing rookies, testing things, etc.

Ben E Lou · 05-05-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

...I think we need to at least sim the first stage of FA1 for re-signing RFAs...

Excellent point.

Sef0r · 05-05-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Hiring coaches
FA1:scouting/RFA
FA1:2-12
FA2:1
FA2:2
FA2:3
FA2:4/5
TC
preseason
regular season
post season

And we need a preseason for playing rookies, testing things, etc.

+1 <- I love this schedule

eiskrap · 05-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Question that I doubt anyone will know the answer to... but if we have FA1:2-12 all in one stage then I'm guessing all the UFA will sign in this period and so there won't be much of a bidding process it'll be best first bid wins.

If we have skipped this completely and had just FA2 does anyone know if they would all sign in FA2:1 or would the play the field for a bit in and maybe sign in stage 2 or 3?

QuikSand · 05-05-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Im thinking the following looks good-

Hiring coaches
FA1:scouting/RFA
FA1:2-12
FA2:1
FA2:2
FA2:3
FA2:4/5
TC
preseason
regular season
post season (edited to add this 11th day, which I forgot about)

Conceptually, I like this a lot. Not sure we even need a day to "run" FA stages 2-12... at least I think we can put in RFA offers in FA 1:1, meaning we all put in our rookie interviews and RFA offers in one push, and the simmer runs all the way through the draft and up to FA 2:1. I think that drops a day from your schedule, even. 10 days.

Tasan · 05-05-2009, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Conceptually, I like this a lot. Not sure we even need a day to "run" FA stages 2-12... at least I think we can put in RFA offers in FA 1:1, meaning we all put in our rookie interviews and RFA offers in one push, and the simmer runs all the way through the draft and up to FA 2:1. I think that drops a day from your schedule, even. 10 days.

This sounds good.

Julio Riddols · 05-06-2009, 04:52 AM

Agreed. That extra day was theoretically for those RFAs that would not re-sign on the first offer, but if you give em what they want, i imagine one sim can cover it fine.

Julio Riddols · 05-06-2009, 04:52 AM

36 seasons a year, lets do this.

Ben E Lou · 05-07-2009, 06:46 AM

Julio's schedule with the Quik modification it is then.

FRIDAY (05/08): Staff Hiring through FA1:1
SATURDAY: FA1:1 (sim through end)
SUNDAY: Off
MONDAY: FA2:1
TUESDAY: FA2:2
WEDNESDAY: FA2:3
THURSDAY: FA2:4/5
FRIDAY: TC
SATURDAY: preseason
SUNDAY: Off
MONDAY: regular season
TUESDAY: post season

wade moore · 05-07-2009, 06:57 AM

The schedule is updated on the site. However, until I run dbupdater (which will take quite some time for a full season - a couple of hours) you'll have to go to it manually:

Calendar 2025 - FOWL - Text Sports Network

Julio Riddols · 05-07-2009, 09:47 AM

I dig it.

Subby · 05-07-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

36 seasons a year, lets do this.

Word.

05-05-2009, 11:24 AM	#4
eiskrap n00b Join Date: Nov 2006	I don't want to lose preseason. I love the idea of having just one free agency bash through... Would this work though with teams on CPU though? We would have to stop them taking free agents in Free Agency 1? Last edited by eiskrap : 05-05-2009 at 11:25 AM.

05-05-2009, 12:15 PM	#11
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05-05-2009, 12:18 PM	#12
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05-05-2009, 01:29 PM	#14
chinaski College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon	+++1 to keeping Pre-Season. I like to play my rookies (as I dont care about seasonal rust) and test shite. For sure on doing ticket prices every few years, but not every year. Im torn on condensing FA to Late FA. Having all the rookies too bid on is a tad overwhelming as it is. I kinda like the division between the two phases. I see FA1 as our sole FA period and Late FA as our draft, basically. I would be down for shortening FA1 tho, to 3 rounds: 2-4, 5-7, 8-12. __________________ CCFL - Buffalo Bills IHOF - Houston Mustangs GML - San Diego

05-05-2009, 02:56 PM	#15
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I like keeping preseason seperate. I think we need to at least sim the first stage of FA1 for re-signing RFAs and scouting draft picks, then batch-simming the rest after that is fine by me. Im thinking the following looks good- Hiring coaches FA1:scouting/RFA FA1:2-12 FA2:1 FA2:2 FA2:3 FA2:4/5 TC preseason regular season post season (edited to add this 11th day, which I forgot about) 11 days. This way we don't get bogged down on early FA stages, but they're still there for re-signing those RFAs. I know we DO need at least one RFA stage in FA1, because players playing for one team for 3 years then being forced back into the FA pool would suck. And we need a preseason for playing rookies, testing things, etc. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 05-05-2009 at 03:10 PM.

05-05-2009, 11:14 AM	#2
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Another open thought. Why even do early free agency in this league setup? Just toss 'em all into one big bowl and have at 'em, do the late stages one at a time or something, but do everything at once. No real reason for veterans to be all by themselves in a multi-stage segment of the season, the way we do it here. A little outside the box, but that's sort of the point.

05-05-2009, 12:27 PM	#13
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I like the idea of just doing FA-2.

05-05-2009, 04:00 PM	#18
eiskrap n00b Join Date: Nov 2006	Question that I doubt anyone will know the answer to... but if we have FA1:2-12 all in one stage then I'm guessing all the UFA will sign in this period and so there won't be much of a bidding process it'll be best first bid wins. If we have skipped this completely and had just FA2 does anyone know if they would all sign in FA2:1 or would the play the field for a bit in and maybe sign in stage 2 or 3?

05-06-2009, 04:52 AM	#21
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Agreed. That extra day was theoretically for those RFAs that would not re-sign on the first offer, but if you give em what they want, i imagine one sim can cover it fine. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

05-06-2009, 04:52 AM	#22
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	36 seasons a year, lets do this. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

05-07-2009, 06:46 AM	#23
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Julio's schedule with the Quik modification it is then. FRIDAY (05/08): Staff Hiring through FA1:1 SATURDAY: FA1:1 (sim through end) SUNDAY: Off MONDAY: FA2:1 TUESDAY: FA2:2 WEDNESDAY: FA2:3 THURSDAY: FA2:4/5 FRIDAY: TC SATURDAY: preseason SUNDAY: Off MONDAY: regular season TUESDAY: post season __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

05-07-2009, 09:47 AM	#25
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I dig it. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

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