Survivor: New Helsing Tribal Thread

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I really hope that thread doesn't get deleted, because I think post game it will be fun to read, in a disgusting sort of way.

About 3 days ago I said that about the lupus tribe thread. Now I don't know if i will even go back and read any of them. I enjoy playing WW with folks here, and really enjoy most of the people. I don't want to read things that change that for me.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'm here too.

I hope he knows he's not supposed to be posting in here

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I hope he knows he's not supposed to be posting in here

lol

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

About 3 days ago I said that about the lupus tribe thread. Now I don't know if i will even go back and read any of them. I enjoy playing WW with folks here, and really enjoy most of the people. I don't want to read things that change that for me.

it's just a game if anyone took anything personally then they take WW way too seriously.

I even said some stuff in here I don't regret, but got pissed about. it even involves now current teammates who if they really wanted could take the long journey back and read it.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

lol

[path12]

BTW, I'm out for the evening. The lovely and erudite Ms. Path has spoken. Good luck to us.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Alan T

About 3 days ago I said that about the lupus tribe thread. Now I don't know if i will even go back and read any of them. I enjoy playing WW with folks here, and really enjoy most of the people. I don't want to read things that change that for me.

Really?

I didn't think we were all that interesting, other than blindsiding Blade (which was only like a 15-minute period), we worked pretty well together and seemed to get along well.

[SnDvls]

from the common thread

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I suspect that this will go down as one of the great meltdowns in WW history

I get it now..guess I should have read that one first. LOL

[st.cronin]

Yeah, that's why I laughed Sun.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Really?

I didn't think we were all that interesting, other than blindsiding Blade (which was only like a 15-minute period), we worked pretty well together and seemed to get along well.

I don't remember the full context, but its back about 1500 posts or so in this thread I bet. It mainly was due to watching the stuff the day you couldnt talk in the thread. Just felt like the wheels were coming off for lupus at the time, and we commented we would love to know what was happening there.

I guess the same thing happened with oz the following day and now with Howard. I hope we don't have a wheels off moment like that.

[st.cronin]

Oz never really got dramatic, except for when we had guests viewing the thread, we just didn't have good participation.

[Alan T]

Not sure if anyone cares, but this is the words I came up with today that were 1 point behind what path submitted:


Across:

0 XXX
4 espy
4 iced
7 magenta
0 XXX
0 XXX
6 opiate
4 knit
4 giro
5 cheep

Down:


8 bregmata
7 fustian
6 jargon
9 nastiness
7 rampage
7 threats
7 paladin
5 lambs
7 hustled
7 demigod

[SnDvls]

since it's past deadline

I stumbled across the actual puzzle with a solution that used all the letters so I PM'ed BK to exclude myself from this challenge that is why

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

since it's past deadline

I stumbled across the actual puzzle with a solution that used all the letters so I PM'ed BK to exclude myself from this challenge that is why

yeah no sweat. I'm not holding it against you, I think it was perfectly appropriate what you did. I'm a little dissapointed at our turnout on this one, but I understand fully why you had to remove yourself from it. Was the only appropriate thing.

I won't hold that against you.. (however saying you'd vote out the Oz members in Howard tribe I can!)

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I won't hold that against you.. (however saying you'd vote out the Oz members in Howard tribe I can!)

that's mainly a in game personal thing. I think in the end we'll find out that they have hurt us more than then have helped us by hiding info, backtracking, not being up front ect.

heck GE might still be around with a bodyguard or idol protecting him if we were more aware of what the heck was going on.

it really does make more sense numbers wise to have Anxiety/Kwhit in there, basing it off the info we had/have now. I guess we can't make assumptions or jump to conclusions until we have all the info too. or proof that the assumptions are correct.

[SnDvls]

well some interesting nominations by Howard to say the least.
it will make for an interesting tomorrow that is for sure

[Barkeep49]

Helsing for the first time is going to tribal council. Hoopsguy will be along at some point to ask some questions. You are morally obligated to ask these questions. All TC votes are done to me by PM. For this tribal council, Howard got to nominate two people, so all votes must be for either cronin or Alan.

[hoopsguy]

So, this is what the Helsing grounds look like ... was beginning to wonder if I would ever set foot here. I'm sure that everyone is upset with the recent events that have taken place - usually we do not have people being butchered on Survivor. Hard way to make a million bucks, eh?

With Howard's victory today they earned the right to pit two of your members against each other in the council. A couple of questions:
1.) Knowing that you have to vote between either Alan or Cronin, what are your thoughts on the choices made by Howard?
2.) Does the original tribe membership of the two (Helsing and Oz) play a large role in your voting decision?

On final note - the network is ecstatic with our decision to take the show to realtime this year. It was a tough sell initially, but the formula of combining Survivor with a teen slasher movie seems to really hitting a sweet spot with the 18-35 demographic. Also, please remember that our sponsors appreciate proper product placement. So don't forget to have the "Blue Diamond Walnut" label facing the cameras when you are snacking during the day - you should know who I'm talking to here ...

[st.cronin]

answers:

1. They're certainly defensible picks.
2. Well, I'll probably be voting for Alan. But I could understand people voting for either one of us. It's certainly possible that somebody in oz was turned.

[Lathum]

1. I think the choices were very odd. why not kill Path or Swaggs.
2. I will probably vote for cronin. Alan has worked hard for our tribe and even if he is a wolf I think will continue to work hard to help us win challengs. This is by no means me being critical of Cronin but I am loyal to Helsing.

[st.cronin]

I changed my mind about question 1. I think those picks were about the worst possible picks they could make.

[Swaggs]

1. I find it hard to believe that they didn't choose me, since the numbers do indicate a 1:3 chance of me being a wolf. If they are trying to weaken us as a tribe, it makes sense, because Alan has been very strong in the competitions and cronin is also a good player. But, I feel like our team is playing to find and kill the werewolf.

2. I am leaning in one direction, but I'll make up my mind based on tomorrow's challenge.

[Lathum]

I guess they are trying to weaken us as a tribe

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I guess they are trying to weaken us as a tribe

Which is odd, since it appeared that a number of them were willing to help us win the challenge yesterday.

[st.cronin]

AlanT has been a lot more useful as a tribe member. Also, I need to tell you guys that I will not be around Saturday and Sunday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Ok, so if i am understanding st.cronin right and he is saying kwhit and anxiety, then with swaggs, path and me that would be the majority to send in...

Not quite the group of people I expected to agree with me today on this, but so be it. Just trying to stick with whats made us successful so far.. sticking with the majority.

Sorry I didn't weigh in on this when it counted, but I would have agreed with that choice. Not that it matters much now.

[st.cronin]

Actually I think I understand their strategy. Somebody over there thinks Alan is a wolf, so they figured pair him up with me and we'd have to vote him off. That's somewhat canny.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Answers to the questions:
1. I somewhat understand the choice of Alan: he accidentally posted something that they think he shouldn't have had access to. The question is, though, who drove it? JE knows where the info Alan posted came from, and if he supported this move, then he's not playing in the best interests of the villagers, though very possibly he's playing in the best interests of himself.

The choice of st.cronin makes no sense at all, from either a WW perspective or a survivor perspective, from my POV. He's not carrying us in challenges, and he's a very low likelihood wolf. The only thing I can think of here is that they basically want to push us to dump Alan.

Basically, on our side of things Howard's choices suck. On their side of things, they're not optimal but they could be worse.

2. I don't know how much of a role it plays in my final decision, because that hasn't been made yet, but it certainly plays a significant role in my consideration. I've been working with Alan since day 1, and as a former Ozzite st.cronin was one of the guys that I was planning to leave off.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, me and st.cronin just noticed the same thing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Double dola, are we trying to protect the line of communication through the private former tribe thread?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Double dola, are we trying to protect the line of communication through the private former tribe thread?

I've been trying to ignore that whole thing. If the guys in the old howard thread want to exploit for whatever purpose, I'm not going to get involved. It's hard enough to figure out what's going on without bringing that whole thing into it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The basic problem we have is that on the one hand, we could continue to get useful info from it, but on the other hand, at least some of Howard didn't consider that Alan might have gotten inside info from that channel, and JE obviously did nothing to disabuse them of that notion.

I guess maybe the best thing to do is to burn the channel if and when we want to get JE in hot water with the rest of Howard.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, oh, I see JE has actually said that he didn't mention the ITC votes to path. Open season, I guess.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

The basic problem we have is that on the one hand, we could continue to get useful info from it, but on the other hand, at least some of Howard didn't consider that Alan might have gotten inside info from that channel, and JE obviously did nothing to disabuse them of that notion.

I guess maybe the best thing to do is to burn the channel if and when we want to get JE in hot water with the rest of Howard.

Yeah, I think JE is either a wolf or a really stupid villager. I think we make hay with this.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm asking him what he told path. JE seems to have jumped on the itc getting votes thing... which path never said he was. path inferred that itc was "getting heat", and Alan followed that with a post in the challenge thread mentioning "getting votes".

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I'm asking him what he told path. JE seems to have jumped on the itc getting votes thing... which path never said he was. path inferred that itc was "getting heat", and Alan followed that with a post in the challenge thread mentioning "getting votes".

Yeah, I think it's obvious that JE is lying to his tribe though.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, I think it's obvious that JE is lying to his tribe though.

seems that way to me as well

[Mr. Wednesday]

But to what end?

Remember that he was more than a little annoyed at the Helsing/Oz coalition that was going to end up tilting at him after running off Lupus.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, what I'm getting at is, he's not necessarily doing this as a wolf play. He might be doing it as a survivor play.

[st.cronin]

Without looking at the other tribe's thread, it's hard to know. It could be that JE was going to get voted off if he didn't pull something. I think the best thing we can do is let the other tribe figure out if he's a wolf or not.

[Alan T]

1. It was an outstanding choice on their part... (if you're a wolf or don't have any interest in voting a wolf off).

2. It plays a big part, but not as much because of tribe loyalties but because of what we know about the tribes. We know there is a wolf among the former Lupus members, and it seems pretty obvious that the Howard wolf is still there. Could a member of Oz have been converted? Sure perhaps. Is there a helsing wolf out there? yes there is. However its just a case of low hanging fruit here. You get the places that have the most likelihood of finding a wolf the fastest.

[SnDvls]

1. They were probally the worst choices they could have made IMO from the information we have.
2. Like lathum I too will probably vote for cronin. Original Helsing made a pact and I'm sticking to it even thought the chance of nabbing a wolf by voting Alan is much greater than St. C in the end it could still be at worst (assuming a conversion 4-2 for the villagers)

[Alan T]

Cronin, its no suprise I will be forced to vote for you today. While I think its a 50/50 chance you are a converted Oz member (based on no first night wolf kill after -all- night actions were allowed I assume there is a conversion and assume it would be in Oz), I think there were far better choices to be picked from our team.

I'm a bit stunned at who they chose, not only for my name being there, but yours too. I appreciate after the first few minutes of not getting along, your willingness to work with our team since joining. The other team definitly crippled us some today, and I don't see that it was to get a WW at all. Sorry that one of us will have to leave tonight.

[Alan T]

I'm only up to 825 posts for this game. You all can't vote me off until I hit 1000!

[st.cronin]

no hard feelings at all, alan

[Alan T]

Today's challenge.. unscramble these questions and PM the answers:

1. outstitpylaulawotout
2. yoikvoltloitrsleorlrkfetotevolersiglwwktteegwhowhasroeef
3. tjticeouttrrndkogesroiddikaasnadaedeyh
4. cgtvgfiuoeemoermieetmlmsetaottrapaasbxlnh
5.ofyttqntdmunuouyftsryufoscdnooaysknoauowaoeudrunotwybtjnyhaiutfnchcaosoasomuecryorrentrookh
6. gvwpnaethsipaehisasagvaenssytn
7. nnshersiscanhulgndraiamiretermcotdamdedoiacbaatgleuayfnmytntelreeoetdrarsgnsoeilrlternhdah
8. klsegadatmiiiLchlaocryleeuucrcyhsm
9. crihaladiingaeaehwlilehebsdowovethnlh
10. fdesnsgesuseogtwyhiusbotsainueeefrdcthtitedhtreetnorpo

[Alan T]

#1 out wit out play out last

I think... need to reverify the letters. If its correct, someone submit it fast

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

#1 out wit out play out last

I think... need to reverify the letters. If its correct, someone submit it fast

that was my guess too

submit it

[Alan T]

just sent it in, the letters are correct. working on #2 now.

[Alan T]

we can't submit our next one until 10:33, I can only submit one more answer today. I have a conference call in about 9 minutes, but will keep working on these during it as best as I can.