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Old 03-25-2010, 05:56 PM   #1001
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Here is the vote count. I've started doing some research but I'm not going to get to finish it until later tonight.

2 - Barkeep - Poli (914), J23 (1030)
2 - Lathum - The Jackal (918), Telle (1001)
2 - dubb - PurdueBrad (932), Autumn (952)
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1 - Thomkal - ntndeacon (982)
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:58 PM   #1002
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DV voted for Autumn on Day 1. He wasn't one of the leading candidates at the end, and I didn't have time to really look at the context, but for now that is enough for me not to vote for him.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:59 PM   #1003
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Jackal, for one time, I will say, for both you and EF,

GO FLYERS, beat the hell out of the Wild!
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:01 PM   #1004
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I'm putting a vote down for Poli, with really no idea of how good it is relative to the other top candidates. I am inclined to give Dubb more rope, but hope that we can test some of his statements (which is why I asked someone to pass to the Exorcist tonight). I have a hard time pulling the trigger on BK or Lathum without compelling reasons, based mostly on how many enjoyable games I've played with those two. So that leaves me off the top candidates.

I also think that we learn something about Thomkal, who I suspect, by voting Poli. If Poli is bad, I'm guessing Thomkal is good. If Poli is good, then we know he was telling the truth on his item and that his suspicions of Thomkal were 100% honest.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:03 PM   #1005
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DV voted for Autumn on Day 1. He wasn't one of the leading candidates at the end, and I didn't have time to really look at the context, but for now that is enough for me not to vote for him.

Noticed this too but his vote was such a layoff there that I don't know what to make of it. I'm basically between Dubb and Autumn for today, let Thomkal sit tight over night since he's frozen and maybe look a bit closer at Jackal, but not enough there to vote him. Of those that have votes, I that means I'm not going Lathum or BK and probably not Poli either.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #1006
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VOTE POLI
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #1007
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:11 PM   #1008
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What is the case against dubb and Poli? I know the case against Lathum and me.

While this doesn't help me to say, I would suggest that the Lathum/BK votes consolidate on one candidate. This 4 way split is a little nerve wracking and ripe for wolf manipulation.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:17 PM   #1009
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Ugh. I don't have a good feel for Lathum or dubb being a wolf, and I'm really tempted to go Autumn because I don't have a good feel for him...but I don't want to make the votes go any more spread out at this point.

VOTE BARKEEP
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:26 PM   #1010
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I also would not vote dubb. I'm leaving my vote on BK.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:27 PM   #1011
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Uhhhhh....let me quantify that. Unless some overwhelming evidence is presented that dubb is a wolf, I'm not voting him.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:27 PM   #1012
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And I would much rather vote for Autumn at this point.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:29 PM   #1013
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Either the wolves controlled the ending of the day or they didn't. Either way I don't think you should vote for me. If you're voting for me, please choose the option below which applies to you:

The wolves totally controlled ending the day
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The wolves had no control over the end of the day
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:30 PM   #1014
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And I would much rather vote for Autumn at this point.
I can join you on that.

Vote Autumn
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #1015
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Well since I have nothing else to do at the moment, I can at least keep the voting record. Abe let me know if you'd rather someone besides me do it.

2 - Barkeep - J23 (1030), Raiders Army (1043)
3 - Lathum - The Jackal (918), Telle (1001), Poli (1042)
2 - dubb - PurdueBrad (932), Autumn (952)
2 - Poli - Lathum (929), Hoopsguy (1039)
2 - Autumn - dubb (948), Barkeep (1050)
1 - Thomkal - ntndeacon (982)

Let me know if you see any mistakes.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:41 PM   #1016
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How do you want to run th weekend. You basically have three choices:

Choice One-A: Day Five ends Friday at 10, Night Five ends Monday morning at 1

Choice One-B: Day Five ends Sunday at 10, Night Five ends Monday morning at 1

Choice Two: Day Five ends Friday at 10, Night Five Saturday at 1. Day Six ends Sunday at 10, Night Six Monday at 1.


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Old 03-25-2010, 06:42 PM   #1017
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Why would abe prefer someone else?
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:43 PM   #1018
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I'm so glad to see someone else adopt a multiple choice format. The revolution spreads!

Can I offer Choice Three?

Choice Three: Day Five ends Friday at 10, Night Five Saturday at 1. Day Six ends Monday at 10.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:44 PM   #1019
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How do you want to run th weekend. You basically have three choices:

Choice One-A: Day Five ends Friday at 10, Night Five ends Monday morning at 1

Choice One-B: Day Five ends Sunday at 10, Night Five ends Monday morning at 1

Choice Two: Day Five ends Friday at 10, Night Five Saturday at 1. Day Six ends Sunday at 10, Night Six Monday at 1.


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I vote One-A. Choice Two would not be good at all for me.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:46 PM   #1020
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Choice Two for me
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:47 PM   #1021
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We are wY to spread out and I don't want toove off poli. His whole vote 7 minutes after the deadline shrieks of wolf shenanigans to me
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:56 PM   #1022
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So rather take the wait and see, he will be exorcised tonight if he is telling a lie approach, we take the, "What he is saying is making sense but can't be proved so let's lynch him" approach?

Dubb, my problem with that is that in my understanding of the rules, even you being exorcised doesn't prove anything. I think you can be bad without being possessed.

That said, thanks for posting some of your comments. I didn't have the time to read back, and that was helpful. I have to agree that it seems you did a lot of work pushing DV to the fore. Maybe that's why DV was so pissed ;-) but otherwise it does make you look less suspect. Can you explain why you were so hesitant to vote DV then? You kept saying you anted to, yet rather than put him in the lead you voted Henry again.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:58 PM   #1023
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Dubb, my problem with that is that in my understanding of the rules, even you being exorcised doesn't prove anything. I think you can be bad without being possessed.

That said, thanks for posting some of your comments. I didn't have the time to read back, and that was helpful. I have to agree that it seems you did a lot of work pushing DV to the fore. Maybe that's why DV was so pissed ;-) but otherwise it does make you look less suspect. Can you explain why you were so hesitant to vote DV then? You kept saying you anted to, yet rather than put him in the lead you voted Henry again.

On day 2 Henry was IMO campaigning that we not vote for DV. It seemed to me that Henry knew something he wasn't telling. I actually thought Henry might be a wolf with DV, or Henry knew that DV was good and was going to play the I told you guys he was good card later for cred.

Both of those scenarios had Henry bad in my book and only 1 had DV. So I went with Henry, but I was by no means as my posts show, steering people away from DV.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:02 PM   #1024
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Obviously I'm not going to consolidate on me, and I'm not sure what the argument about Poli is other than him being over the top showing up right after early deadline or whatever. Dubb showed pretty good evidence that he was pushing DV, and while my gut still thinks something is fishy there, if people want to give him more rope, so be it. BK and Lathum both had important votes that might have been to help DV out. Lathum would be the safer vote for me seeing as I'm on the chopping block. But I'm just a vanilla villager, so I don't feel compelled to work too hard to save myself.

I can't quite decide between Lathum and BK at this point, so I'm going to consider for a few minutes.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:05 PM   #1025
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Obviously I'm not going to consolidate on me, and I'm not sure what the argument about Poli is other than him being over the top showing up right after early deadline or whatever. Dubb showed pretty good evidence that he was pushing DV, and while my gut still thinks something is fishy there, if people want to give him more rope, so be it. BK and Lathum both had important votes that might have been to help DV out. Lathum would be the safer vote for me seeing as I'm on the chopping block. But I'm just a vanilla villager, so I don't feel compelled to work too hard to save myself.

I can't quite decide between Lathum and BK at this point, so I'm going to consider for a few minutes.
Maybe this is why I had to stop playing, but the idea that "I'm a vanilla villager and thus expendable" goes against my core. I am a vanilla villager here, but am definitely willing to fight to not go down. This isn't D1 or D2. This is D4. We should be nailing wolves, not quietly going down.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:05 PM   #1026
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Maybe this is why I had to stop playing, but the idea that "I'm a vanilla villager and thus expendable" goes against my core. I am a vanilla villager here, but am definitely willing to fight to not go down. This isn't D1 or D2. This is D4. We should be nailing wolves, not quietly going down.
I should rephrase that maybe this is why I lost some of my passion for the game. I had to stop playing because of work.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:09 PM   #1027
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Maybe this is why I had to stop playing, but the idea that "I'm a vanilla villager and thus expendable" goes against my core. I am a vanilla villager here, but am definitely willing to fight to not go down. This isn't D1 or D2. This is D4. We should be nailing wolves, not quietly going down.

I'm not suggesting I'm expendable, but that saving myself isn't worth voting against what I think is right. If I want to save myself i just vote Lathum and put someone further ahead of me. I don't want to do that just to save myself if I don't think Lathum is a wolf. I want to go with the one between the two of you that I really think is it.

Problem is I think it's Dubb ;-)
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:12 PM   #1028
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I love Werewolf. I'm reading back through the thread at deadline yesterday and wondering if everyone involved at the end is a wolf, lol.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:15 PM   #1029
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Except when I logged in to read the thread and finally vote abe hadn't called the deadline.

It is what it is. I hope it happens to you some day.

And that is certainly plausable. I just find it odd you happens to try and vote 7 minutes after the early deadline
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:18 PM   #1030
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I love Werewolf. I'm reading back through the thread at deadline yesterday and wondering if everyone involved at the end is a wolf, lol.

I would be surprised if any of the late voters are wolves. It is obvious a wolf used the mechanic yesterday so why would a wolf go anywhere near the deadline and implicate themselves.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:26 PM   #1031
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I would be surprised if any of the late voters are wolves. It is obvious a wolf used the mechanic yesterday so why would a wolf go anywhere near the deadline and implicate themselves.

I don't think it's obvious that it was intentional, or necessarily wolf caused. It might have been a Bull Moose special mechanic, as I posited earlier.

I'd like to hear your case on Poli though.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:32 PM   #1032
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Vote Poli

I don't really have any time tonight to post (it's my birthday and I'm celebrating with the wife), but I don't like the timing of his Henry vote last night (makes me think he might have been trying to vote Henry and THEN have the day phase end).

And I don't like it that has has exactly zero meaningful votes so far this game that we can analyze (not including tonight since tonight isn't over yet).
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:36 PM   #1033
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:36 PM   #1034
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3 - Lathum - The Jackal (918), Telle (1001), Poli (1042)
3 - Poli - Lathum (929), Hoopsguy (1039), KWhit (1072)
2 - Barkeep - J23 (1030), Raiders Army (1043)
2 - dubb - PurdueBrad (932), Autumn (952)
2 - Autumn - dubb (948), Barkeep (1050)
1 - Thomkal - ntndeacon (982)

No Vote: Thomkal
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:37 PM   #1035
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:39 PM   #1036
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:39 PM   #1037
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Good point htat we need to be really wary of ties now that we know the consequences. The wolves will be happy to engineer one and send a few of us through.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:42 PM   #1038
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Good point htat we need to be really wary of ties now that we know the consequences. The wolves will be happy to engineer one and send a few of us through.
Or they will manipulate it because one is a wolf.

I'm still not convinced, btw, that we know what happens in a tie.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:42 PM   #1039
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Good point htat we need to be really wary of ties now that we know the consequences. The wolves will be happy to engineer one and send a few of us through.
In fact as I continue to think about it, I disagree more strongly with this post.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:50 PM   #1040
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In fact as I continue to think about it, I disagree more strongly with this post.

You mean you think that all ties won't necessarily result in an all-lynch?
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:54 PM   #1041
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:59 PM   #1042
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I'm sortve convincing myself that lathum isn't a wolf. I'd like to see a vote count too.

still feel this way. because if so you should move your vote.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:03 PM   #1043
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:12 PM   #1044
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Well, I'm not hearing a case against Poli. Lathum is one of my original crew of suspects, so I'll switch to him to help consolidate the votes.

unvote dubb
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:12 PM   #1045
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:13 PM   #1046
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You mean you think that all ties won't necessarily result in an all-lynch?
Correct.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:14 PM   #1047
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I'm the Martyr.

Not a great role but a role none the less.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:17 PM   #1048
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I'm the Martyr.

Not a great role but a role none the less.
It's too bad we don't do the Golden Wolves. Your RP'ing of this character in the incident with Poli, has been out of this world fantastic. I truly believed your acting.

Of course this presumes it's the truth...
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:17 PM   #1049
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4 - Lathum - The Jackal (918), Telle (1001), Poli (1042), Autumn (1089)
3 - Poli - Lathum (929), Hoopsguy (1039), KWhit (1072)
2 - Barkeep - J23 (1030), Raiders Army (1043)
2 - Autumn - dubb (948), Barkeep (1050)
1 - dubb - PurdueBrad (932)
1 - Thomkal - ntndeacon (982)

No Vote: Thomkal
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:18 PM   #1050
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I'm going to move given Lathum's reveal to help protect against anything screwy:

unvote dubb
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