Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsguy - Cronin (350), Anxiety (368), mckerney (382), Schmidty (449)
Tyrith - Hoopsguy (363), Path (423)
AlanT - Blade (367)
mckerney - Lathum (393), Tyrith (396), Barkeep (401), AlanT (417), saldana (430)

Not voted: Ardent, Dubb

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wow, Schmidty with the Testicular Play.

In breaking with WW tradition for me, bravo schmidty..i like you and your play, so bravo for not being one of the crowd. I just might join my arch nemesis

[Blade6119]

Hoops is still on tyrith after all the pushing he did for mckerney?? If thats not odd i dont know what is

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, I get switching the vote. The uncontested runup on mckerney had me very, very nervous as well. I just would prefer that if you were switching votes that you were joining me on Tyrith instead of putting me closer to the chopping block.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hoopsguy - Cronin (350), Anxiety (368), mckerney (382), Schmidty!!!!!
Tyrith - Hoopsguy (363), Path (423)
AlanT - Blade (367)
mckerney - Lathum (393), Tyrith (396), Barkeep (401), AlanT (417),, saldana (430)

Not voted: Ardent, Dubb

That makes it 5-4, unless I missed it. Even if ardent puts a vote on hoops, hoops will probably come off tyrith and vote for mckerney. So then to get hoops lynched, we'd need to get both Path and Blade to vote him - or else, reveal the wolf boss. I don't see it happening.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I reviewed mckerney as a vote candidate but I never quite got to the point of feeling a need to move it. I'll do it as a self-preservation measure, but the run-up on him over the course of the afternoon has me thinking we are looking at wolf/wolf standoff yet again.

Despite the fact that people don't seem to be buying into the idea of a wolf voting for Tanglewood yesterday (at least not with their votes), I still think this is a good approach. And I posted why Tyrith instead of the other three candidates, voted, and have yet to deviate from this.

[path12]

OK, I'm back now until lynch.

Originally Posted by Alan T

I know my post was rather long.. had many thoughts I was trying to sort out. My reasoning for mckerney is it seems to me two days in a row he's jumped on fairly early to bandwagon voting without giving any real good reasoning. I tried to give my thoughts on other's voting patterns and habits so far. The big two I was not entirely sure on was Cronin and Mckerney. I didn't really feel I would be putting much weight behind a vote on cronin since it would be a solo vote, so this felt more helpful for the wolves to try to sort out who is actually on our side here. Putting pressure on those who are trying to make a runaway vote for Hoops also i think is a good thing. It means people's votes actually do matter and its much more obvious when people are trying to throw away votes to hide them this way.

I wasn't picking on you necessarily, Alan, more the bandwagon in general. mck wasn't (isn't? I'm doing this in order and don't know the current tally) helping himself by giving no reasons for the vote, so I can see that, and we had mine, hoops and kinda cronins posts all at the same time questioning it, so I guess my concern of nobody defending was invalid.

[path12]

Originally Posted by saldana

although i am a vanilla wolf, part of my role gives me every reason to suspect that cronin is exactly what he says he is, and that the tie breaker rules are subject to change throughout the game, so take this as a supporting post for his reveal being on the level.

Let me make sure I'm understanding you -- you're not claiming a similar role, but more that you have certain knowledge that leads you to believe Cronin, right?

[hoopsguy]

I'm pretty nervous about deadline voting antics that result in me geting lynched here - don't usually find myself in this position when I'm a good guy. Usually the bad guys have to take me out themselves ...

In the event that I do get elected tonight as the sacrificial lamb, I'll just let you know that I do not expect to show up as a normal wolf - I have a role and if you are not given some hint to what it is in the death description then you can safely assume we are playing a "hidden roles" game similar to what I did with the Chuck Norris game.

Team Wolf can still win the game with me out of the mix, but it isn't making the job easier.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, im going to force your hand here...either take your vote off tyrith or convince a hoops voter off

UNVOTE ALAN
VOTE HOOPS

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm pretty nervous about deadline voting antics that result in me geting lynched here - don't usually find myself in this position when I'm a good guy. Usually the bad guys have to take me out themselves ...

In the event that I do get elected tonight as the sacrificial lamb, I'll just let you know that I do not expect to show up as a normal wolf - I have a role and if you are not given some hint to what it is in the death description then you can safely assume we are playing a "hidden roles" game similar to what I did with the Chuck Norris game.

Team Wolf can still win the game with me out of the mix, but it isn't making the job easier.

Are you saying that you will show up at death like a bad guy or am I misunderstanding you? I guess I have no clue why this would be the case.. I think you confused me more than anything here.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm not sure why you want to force my hand here or put me in danger of getting clipped by end-game maneuvering if you are a wolf.

UNVOTE TYRITH
VOTE MCKERNEY

[path12]

Still likely to switch. Haven't decided which way yet. I can't say I'm thrilled with either of the candidates and am tempted to see if any bosses need to save any humans.....

[path12]

So, anyone want to lobby me?

[Alan T]

Right now I see the vote as 6-5 Mckerney leading over hoops.

Barring vote switchers, we have 2 votes not in that mix. Path is still on Tyrith, and Ardent has not voted yet.

[hoopsguy]

AlanT, I fully expect to show up as a wolf, just not a garden-variety ordinary one. I have a role and if there is any kind of role reveal on death (by lynching) then you should get that information.

Which would mean that Tanglewood was an ordinary wolf.

If there is nothing special about my death scene or any kind of info revealed on my role then you can't make the assumption that Tanglewood was a normal (no role) wolf.

[Poli]

Ah crap.

I've caught up on the posts. I just don't how I want to vote.

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsguy - Cronin (350), Anxiety (368), mckerney (382), Schmidty (449), Blade (460)
Tyrith - Path (423)
mckerney - Lathum (393), Tyrith (396), Barkeep (401), AlanT (417), saldana (430), Hoopsguy (462)

Not voted: Ardent, Dubb

[st.cronin]

hoops I need more info before I can take my vote off you, hurry up

I'm willing to listen, but you need to be VERY convincing.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

So, anyone want to lobby me?

Well I dont feel wild about you not voting in one group or the other as a vote on Tyrith right now is a throw away vote. If you vote for Hoops and ardent does not show up and no one else switches, it ends in a tie, which I don't like at all. If you vote for mckerney, you pretty much lock his fate without alot of switching or a duking.

So in my opinion you can make things either very clear for us or very muddy.

[path12]

Ardent, I'm putting you on the spot. Sorry.

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Hoops

[Poli]

Thanks, path.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, I'm not sure how I can be convincing revealing the specifics on the role this late. The obvious thought process would be to see if someone else claims the role and we have less than half of the people in the room right now.

Just run through the usual roles. I would be screaming bloody murder right now if I was the seer. Pretty much anything else among the standard roles is expendable at this stage ...

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Thanks, path.

We learn more this way.

[Poli]

Screw it.

Vote mckerney

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

hoops I need more info before I can take my vote off you, hurry up

I'm willing to listen, but you need to be VERY convincing.

cronin will be my vote tomorrow likely

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

cronin will be my vote tomorrow likely

Even after what saldana said? Seems early for them to tie to each other.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, I'm not sure how I can be convincing revealing the specifics on the role this late. The obvious thought process would be to see if someone else claims the role and we have less than half of the people in the room right now.

Just run through the usual roles. I would be screaming bloody murder right now if I was the seer. Pretty much anything else among the standard roles is expendable at this stage ...

I dont really usually like coaxing people to come out with their roles, but right now you look to have a 50/50 chance of being lynched... So if there was a time to try to convince people, this would be it. Won't affect my vote much since it is still on mckerney, and its far to convienant for him to not take much heat this late and ride it out. I'm not convinced he is bad, just he has not shown me any proof that he isnt.

[Alan T]

dola, guess with arden'ts post never mind my last one. If you arent on the line, I wouldnt reveal your role after all.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not celebrating yet - still could get jagged by a vote switch.

At this moment I'm of the strong opinion that the wizard's gang tried to stick it to me at the end here. I'm obviously a little weirded out by three late switches.

[SirFozzie]

and.. deadline.

(next poster not already in the game to indicate his interest in this game gets dubb's spot)

[path12]

Hmmm. For some reason I expected more fireworks.

[hoopsguy]

Path, from where I'm sitting you contributed your share.

Three vote switches to me in the last 30 minutes felt exciting enough, thank you very much.

Ardent and AlanT shoot up my personal trust list as they had the ability to hang me at the end and did not exercise it.

[st.cronin]

well now we see

[SirFozzie]

1.Anxiety- Hoopsguy (1)
2.Barkeep49 - McKerney (1)
3.Qwikshot - Blasted Night 1
4. AlanT - McKerney (2)
5. Mckerney - Hoopsguy (2)
6. Saldana - McKerney (3)
7. Lathum - McKerney (4)
8. st cronin - Hoopsguy (3)
9. path12 - Hoopsguy (4)
10. ardent enthusiast - Mckerney (5)
11 Tyrith - McKerney (6)
12.Schmidty Hoopsguy (5)
13. dubb93 - Will Be Replaced NO VOTE 2x
14.Hoopsguy- McKerney (7)
15.tanglewood - Torn Apart Day 1
16.Blade6119 - Hoopsguy (6)

[SirFozzie]

The fact that you expect the rage to be set upon you at the wizard's command makes it no less jarring, and you quickly tear Mckerney apart. Panting with exertion.. you watch his body..

No Change.

A bit of fear begins to open up in your heart.. have you chosen poorly again?

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, from where I'm sitting you contributed your share.

Three vote switches to me in the last 30 minutes felt exciting enough, thank you very much.

Ardent and AlanT shoot up my personal trust list as they had the ability to hang me at the end and did not exercise it.

From where you're sitting, yeah, I guess so. From my end it was really much more like a science experiment. No offense.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

have you chosen poorly again?

I didnt...

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

Let me make sure I'm understanding you -- you're not claiming a similar role, but more that you have certain knowledge that leads you to believe Cronin, right?

i dont have a role anything like the one that cronin claimed, i just know that there may be different tie breakers later in the game that were not defined at the beginning, thus, his reveal makes 100% sense to me

[saldana]

dola, shit. 0 for 2.

[SirFozzie]

We are in Night 2.

Actions due by 9 AM Thursday Morning

[hoopsguy]

Blade, the only person who didn't choose poorly (based on the final votes) is Dubb, who is being replaced.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I actually don't have any feeling either way on mckerny. Blade, Tyrith, Anxiety and saldana have all posted today in a way that makes me feel they are properly wolfish. But, I suspect everybody at least a little bit at this point.

Werent you on tyrith right before this? this is what im talking about, total 180s in his logic

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, the only person who didn't choose poorly (based on the final votes) is Dubb, who is being replaced.

In your opinion...if i had my way alan or cronin would be dead...my vote for you is solely i trust mckerney over you...and his death proved me right..so i chose right, whether you agree or not

[Poli]

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Werent you on tyrith right before this? this is what im talking about, total 180s in his logic

I was never *on* Tyrith in the sense that you mean. I merely pointed out that it would be ballsy or odd for hoopsguy to name three random wolves on night 0. Chances are, that one of them is a wiz. The folks mentioned have posted/thought in a way that makes me somewhat comfortable they are wolves. But I don't have a circle of trust, yet.

[hoopsguy]

Day 1 votes:
Tyrith - Barkeep (158), Path (160)
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188), Tanglewood (251)
mckerney - Lathum (168)
Tanglewood - Schmidty (209), Hoopsguy (213), Tyrith (234), Saldana (238), Blade (254)
Barkeep - Anxiety (219)
Schmidty - Ardent (291)

No votes: AlanT (out for day), Dubb

Day 2 votes:
Hoopsguy - Cronin (350), Anxiety (368), mckerney (382), Schmidty (449), Blade (460), Path (471)
mckerney - Lathum (393), Tyrith (396), Barkeep (401), AlanT (417), saldana (430), Hoopsguy (462), Ardent (475)

Not voted: Dubb

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was never *on* Tyrith in the sense that you mean. I merely pointed out that it would be ballsy or odd for hoopsguy to name three random wolves on night 0. Chances are, that one of them is a wiz. The folks mentioned have posted/thought in a way that makes me somewhat comfortable they are wolves. But I don't have a circle of trust, yet.

Nobody but the wolves and the seer do, but its still a little staggering how back and forth you have been this game. Actually, so far you have made this game worthwhile for me. Watching your play style change and develop game after game is truly a great enjoyment, your an assest to WW cronin(the fact your play style is somewhat beginning to resemble mine surely has no effect on my feelings )

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Day 1 votes:
Blade - Qwik (161), mckerney (176), cronin (188), Tanglewood (251)

Well, i should point out that is highly suspicious...either im a vengeful and master puppet manager wizard, or someone is trying to make me look like one

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm. I was hoping that you guys were right about mckerney. Does the fact that there was not a late switch that killed hoopsguy, just thretened him mean he's clear or that he's more likely to be dirty than ever. I;d love to hear the thoughts of those more experienced, because my head sometimes hurts when I think hard about WW.

-Anxiety