Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[GoldenEagle]

From the start Grammaticus has been one of those guys who I thought was a wolf. I think he is helping villagers just a little too much. I also do not buy into his whole defensive strategy. People have been mumbling his name all day long and he is just now posting about it. It is like he wanted villagers to forget about him and then try to save face at the last minute.

My vote stands, 30 minutes from the deadline and I do not see it changing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

From the start Grammaticus has been one of those guys who I thought was a wolf. I think he is helping villagers just a little too much. I also do not buy into his whole defensive strategy. People have been mumbling his name all day long and he is just now posting about it. It is like he wanted villagers to forget about him and then try to save face at the last minute.

My vote stands, 30 minutes from the deadline and I do not see it changing.

helping villagers a little too much? if he is indeed a villager isn't that his job?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

helping villagers a little too much? if he is indeed a villager isn't that his job?

although true, he could be protecting one of his fellow wolves among those two vets...hmmm

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

From the start Grammaticus has been one of those guys who I thought was a wolf. I think he is helping villagers just a little too much. I also do not buy into his whole defensive strategy. People have been mumbling his name all day long and he is just now posting about it. It is like he wanted villagers to forget about him and then try to save face at the last minute.

My vote stands, 30 minutes from the deadline and I do not see it changing.

With your vote, you are NOT helping villagers. Going after someone just because they are vocal on day 2 is not going to help much. I don't get why you would actively campaign to lynch so early in the game and have nothing better than, your too helpful?? Don't you want the villagers to win?

[tanglewood]

I have no real read today, so this is more based on 'gut' than anything substantial I guess and not really an inditement of SnDvls' play so far, just that he's an experienced player who has been flying under the radar.

Vote SnDvls

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

With your vote, you are NOT helping villagers. Going after someone just because they are vocal on day 2 is not going to help much. I don't get why you would actively campaign to lynch so early in the game and have nothing better than, your too helpful?? Don't you want the villagers to win?

Like I said, your posting a ton but really your advice is just trying to through us a curve ball. I, however, am seeing that curve ball and hitting into right field.

[tanglewood]

Does anyone have a vote count? I have absolutely no idea where the votes are at the moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Like I said, your posting a ton but really your advice is just trying to through us a curve ball. I, however, am seeing that curve ball and hitting into right field.

intresting point GE...interesting point

[bulletsponge]

just checking in. were missing some peeps votes! get in here and vote! we will remeber non votes!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Does anyone have a vote count? I have absolutely no idea where the votes are at the moment.

i believe my vote for chubby is the only one that has happened since cronin's tally earlier.

and i'm wavering.

would a tie and throwing things to the mason's be a bad play?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Like I said, your posting a ton but really your advice is just trying to through us a curve ball. I, however, am seeing that curve ball and hitting into right field.

What is the curve ball, being helpful by suggesting strategies? It is hard to give you any input without substance in your accusations.

[st.cronin]

vote count:

4 - Chubby - Blade, bulletsponge, dodgerchick, Daddytorgo
3 - Grammaticus - GoldenEagle, Fouts, Swaggs
1 - Swaggs - Chief Rum
1 - Blade - Lathum
1 - Lathum - molson
1 - farrah - Chubby
1 - Dodgerchick - SnDvls
1 - Schmidty - farrah
1 - Fouts - path12
1 - SnDvls - tanglewood

not voted

Anxiety
AlanT
greyroofoo
Schmidty
Grammaticus

[DaddyTorgo]

pondering switching to SnDvls...as tanglewood has said, he's experienced and he's been very quiet...plus it'd toss things into a 3-way tie...

[DaddyTorgo]

errr, not a tie, cuz sundvls voted for dodgerchick

[molson]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

What is the curve ball, being helpful by suggesting strategies? It is hard to give you any input without substance in your accusations.

So people should just vote without comment or argument at this point?

[Alan T]

This is the current vote count as far as I know:

Blade - Lathum
Lathum - molson
Chubby - Blade, bulletsponge, dodgerchick, Daddytorgo
Grammaticus - GoldenEagle, Fouts, Swaggs
Swaggs - Chief Rum
farrah - Chubby
Dodgerchick - SnDvls
Schmidty - farrah
Fouts - path12
sndvls - Tanglewood

Chubby has 4 votes , Gramm has 3. I want to vote for gramm but his vote likely would go on Chubby and my vote would just tie things up which is what I do not want to happen.. So I'm just waiting to see where additional votes go.

I am wondering if some votes are coming out to save gramm right now

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...i'm pondering moving off to sndvls, as tanglewood's point has swayed me a little...

[tanglewood]

Once again, I would like to state that I am intruiged by the proposition of creating a tie. What would the possible bad effects of that be? Surely it puts us in the best position to use all the knowledge we have?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Once again, I would like to state that I am intruiged by the proposition of creating a tie. What would the possible bad effects of that be? Surely it puts us in the best position to use all the knowledge we have?

i agree. b/c then you have the masons all knowing they're masons so they're not wolves, which cuts down the #. and presumably at least one of them is a vet and can make more informed decisions. i vote TIE!

[Lorena]

Grammaticus is considered a vet right? And there's all these newbies here, I don't see how his "being too helpful" is considered bad. All I see is a "vet" helping out the newbies so we can see how this thing works.

Curve ball or not, he, along with a few others, really are helping.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

alan...i'm pondering moving off to sndvls, as tanglewood's point has swayed me a little...

I havent seen anything from Sndvls so far thats different than any other game i have seen him in honestly. THat of course doesn't tell me alot since he generally is relatively quiet in the beginning of the game. As far as i know he could be wolf or villager.

Even if you do move though, and I vote Gram putting him in the lead, he'll just vote to tie it again.

[DaddyTorgo]

unvote Chubby

vote SnDvls

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I want to vote for gramm but his vote likely would go on Chubby and my vote would just tie things up which is what I do not want to happen..

Alan, why do you not want a tie? Do you know something about what may happen that we don't?

[DaddyTorgo]

right Alan. but i fail to see how a tie is a bad thing. b/c the masons all know they're masons, so that cuts down on the # of possible people that could be wolves that they have to choose from.

ties are the friend of the villager

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Grammaticus is considered a vet right? And there's all these newbies here, I don't see how his "being too helpful" is considered bad. All I see is a "vet" helping out the newbies so we can see how this thing works.

Curve ball or not, he, along with a few others, really are helping.

I think you are misunderstanding what my meaning is a little. Im all for helpful people. My point isnt as much that him helping out alot is bad.. its more that his behavior has in my opinion deviated from what I normally expect of him. At least my impression is he is playing a completely different style than other games I have seen him in. That does not necessarily condemn him, it just makes me wonder why.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Grammaticus is considered a vet right? And there's all these newbies here, I don't see how his "being too helpful" is considered bad. All I see is a "vet" helping out the newbies so we can see how this thing works.

Curve ball or not, he, along with a few others, really are helping.

And you do not think that is intentional? He is trying to influence the newbs. See through the light!

[Grammaticus]

Dr. Raiman can always change the vote too.

[Grammaticus]

dola, that is the other thing you can find out. But I really don't want to be on the block for it

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Once again, I would like to state that I am intruiged by the proposition of creating a tie. What would the possible bad effects of that be? Surely it puts us in the best position to use all the knowledge we have?

Thinking it over, this is a good idea as far as I can tell. The masons, who decide the tiebreaker, have the advantage of at least knowing one another, so if we are lynching one of them, they can sway it away from us making that mistake.

If we don't have a good, solid choice, I think a tie is a good play.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Alan, why do you not want a tie? Do you know something about what may happen that we don't?

I don't know anything about what happens in a tie. I don't know who any of the masons are (or if we currently are voting for any of them). I also do not know what other hidden roles might be in the game that could jump out in the case of a tie.

In most games a tie = no lynch and usually means a wasted day for the village (which is good for the wolves). I don't know if the masons tiebreaker can end in a tie either.. I don't know anything about it honestly

I'm much more intrigued by how people have played today than anything. The big problem for me is that I see people seemingly voting in ways that help out others, but I have no idea if its because they are both masons or both wolves or what.

[Grammaticus]

VOTE CHUBBY

Self preservation

[molson]

unvote Lathum

vote sndvls

My reasoning may be flawed, but, you know

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

dola, that is the other thing you can find out. But I really don't want to be on the block for it

what is the other thing you can figure out?

don't we as villagers have to rely on the masons, lean on them a bit heavily to incorporate the data plus their knowledge of their group as "safe" in order to ferret out the evil? if that requires someone being on the block...well hell...I'll volunteer to be on the block every night.

just don't lynch me early because that'd be a wasted death. and eventually the evil would get fed up with me and off me and then you'd have that narrowed down a bit more too

[Alan T]

Fine, if you all want a tie, then good luck with the choosing. I hope you all pick well. Worst case if one of these two are a mason, you can save them

vote grammaticus

[Grammaticus]

please leave as a tie now!!

[st.cronin]

deadline

[DaddyTorgo]

if who all want a tie Alan?

Aren't you one of us? Isn't it "if we all" ??

Or are you not one of us...

[st.cronin]

Final vote:

4 - Chubby - Blade, bulletsponge, dodgerchick,
Grammaticus
4 - Grammaticus - GoldenEagle, Fouts, Swaggs,
AlanT
3 - SnDvls - tanglewood, Daddytorgo, molson
1 - Swaggs - Chief Rum
1 - Blade - Lathum
1 - farrah - Chubby
1 - Dodgerchick - SnDvls
1 - Schmidty - farrah
1 - Fouts - path12

not voted

Anxiety
greyroofoo
Schmidty

Results coming

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

if who all want a tie Alan?

Aren't you one of us? Isn't it "if we all" ??

Or are you not one of us...

You all as in you all who just all posted saying you wanted a tie. Every time I've made a tie at the villager's request I ended up getting lynched for it. So excuse me if this doesn't sit easy with me

[DaddyTorgo]

too bad we couldn't have gotten a 3-way tie out of it, that would have been interesting.

schmidty and anxiety and grey not voted...is it me or did one of them note vote on day 1 either ?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You all as in you all who just all posted saying you wanted a tie. Every time I've made a tie at the villager's request I ended up getting lynched for it. So excuse me if this doesn't sit easy with me

ok...ok

[GoldenEagle]

Some posters are really laying low and not posting much right now.

[st.cronin]

Another day of paranoia and fear, the memory of the smell of saldana's blood, as well as the sight of what had been done to what once were his genitals, fresh in your mind. Accusations fly; tempers rise; finally you are deadlocked.

Nevertheless, despite the vote being tied, Chubby feels several sets of hands on him, pulling him towards the commons ... he is held down, and as he realizes what is happening, he becomes resigned to his fate. The stake is driven through his heart, but, alas, he dies as a human, and you know you have staked another villager. A search through his home reveals no clues.

Night is falling; who will the wolves strike at next?

Night 2 has begun - deadline 9am Wednesday

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Some posters are really laying low and not posting much right now.

Gee, you think it has anything to do with you and fouts gunning for people who post?

[DaddyTorgo]

so we assume either the masons picked wrong, or reiman changed the vote to chubby for his own purposes...

seems awful quick for the masons to have onferred, prehaps reiman is being played by a character with a grudge against chubby and pre-acted?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

too bad we couldn't have gotten a 3-way tie out of it, that would have been interesting.

schmidty and anxiety and grey not voted...is it me or did one of them note vote on day 1 either ?

They all voted on day one. Just Chief Rum and Noddadropp failed to vote on day one.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaaah okay. so i misremembered. *shrug*

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Gee, you think it has anything to do with you and fouts gunning for people who post?

Dude, do not take anything personal. But I mean come on, you got to be feeling the pressure. Why are you getting defense all of the sudden? Was tonight to close of a call?

[tanglewood]

St. Cronin, if a player is lynched will you tell us if they were a mason also?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Dude, do not take anything personal. But I mean come on, you got to be feeling the pressure. Why are you getting defense all of the sudden? Was tonight to close of a call?

or perhaps you're trying to deflect attention away from another of your wolvey brothers

no wait, cuz grammaticus was gunning for chubby, who ended up being a villarger, and if you were trying to protect chubby he would have been a wolf. so that makes grammaticus potentially evil...UNLESS you two are both evil and are playing-us

oy...my head hurts