Werewolf LIX: Anarchy in Fairytale Land Day 4 GAME OVER SHREK WINS!!! - Page 6

Telle · 11-06-2007, 08:33 AM

Has anyone played a game like this before where it seems like there's a multitude of victory conditions? Any thoughts on strategy?

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Has anyone played a game like this before where it seems like there's a multitude of victory conditions? Any thoughts on strategy?

Well I still stand by my belief that the bad guys must all have some form of communications together (the wolf(wolves) and dragon and the others out there) to balance out things. Unfortunatly my search for my friends doesn't tell me if someone is good or bad (ie I checked out Hoops last night and have no idea who or what he is).. just if they are one of my friends... So I don't have alot of information that is ultra helpful to provide to other people day in and day out. I do know that various people mentioned finding potions or items or such that aren't of use of them.. I am guessing that others might be looking for something along those lines, but the people who are looking for them might be bad or good... So its probably good to share that information on things you find, but make sure that you hand it off before the end of the day so someone doesn't kill you for it. (Even if you haven't found someone else who wants it, just pass it on to someone random .. or at least say you did).

I know items can be passed in the game because someone else just passed me something.. I have no clue what it does though and am afraid to try it out

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

One other thing I am unclear on though.. I guess I might have to PM this to Render.. but if my victory condition is to have one particular character dead, what happens if they are sent off via vote? Does that mean I fail unless they are brought back from the Bog and then killed? or does getting voted off count just the same as being killed for my victory condition?

Each groups/players initial PM should have listed out the precise terms for what had to happen for them to win (barring a couple that I corrected after the fact) If it says killed/dead then that is what must happen, if it just says eliminated then lynched is good enough as long as they stay that way for at least 1 full day.

If someone You ned Alan is in th bog you canot win unless they get out.

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Originally Posted by Telle

And does anyone know HOW we bring someone back from the bog? Are there certain characters that have this ability, or is this something that anyone can somehow do? Maybe if we find the right item or something??

There are a number of ways people can escape the bog. There is at least 1 item that can help, there are roles that can help and there is sheer dumb luck =)

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Hrm, interesting. I still have no real idea what I'm doing.

RendeR, I know we all have our own winning conditions, but does the game then end when someone reaches theirs? Or when does the game end exactly? If answer needs to be in PM, then that's cool

As soon as any one player/team/groups vitory conditions are met (I'm tracking everything) then i will announce the victory and end the game.

Barkeep49 · 11-06-2007, 08:57 AM

Ok, so basically then as far as I'm concerned people outside of my victory condition are enemies. So even people with begnin villager roles are a threat to me because they might achieve their victory condition before me. Hmm. Very interesting.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Each groups/players initial PM should have listed out the precise terms for what had to happen for them to win (barring a couple that I corrected after the fact) If it says killed/dead then that is what must happen, if it just says eliminated then lynched is good enough as long as they stay that way for at least 1 full day.

If someone You ned Alan is in th bog you canot win unless they get out.

There are a number of ways people can escape the bog. There is at least 1 item that can help, there are roles that can help and there is sheer dumb luck =)

As soon as any one player/team/groups vitory conditions are met (I'm tracking everything) then i will announce the victory and end the game.

You mentioned for the eliminated condition that someone must stay in the bog for more than 1 day, does that mean inversely that someone who has been in the bog for more than 1 day also can't be brought back by the item/people/dumb luck in getting out? That getting out is only possible for the first 24 hours of being in there?

So I guess we all aren't necessarily working together, and in some sense don't want each other to succeed before we do.. but I still contend that I find it likely the bad guys have some form of communication with each other (otherwise it would be quite a shock for me to see little red riding hood get killed by a wolf day 1.. the odds on that are really small).. I also have absolutely no idea how I will be going about finding the person I need to eliminate since I have no power or ability to locate them.. Maybe one of my friends I need to find has an ability to do so, and I just need to find them.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 09:00 AM

Time for me to improvise my strategy a bit..

He's not one of my friends, so don't know if he is a good guy or bad guy, but sorry bud!

Vote Hoopsguy

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You mentioned for the eliminated condition that someone must stay in the bog for more than 1 day, does that mean inversely that someone who has been in the bog for more than 1 day also can't be brought back by the item/people/dumb luck in getting out? That getting out is only possible for the first 24 hours of being in there?

So I guess we all aren't necessarily working together, and in some sense don't want each other to succeed before we do.. but I still contend that I find it likely the bad guys have some form of communication with each other (otherwise it would be quite a shock for me to see little red riding hood get killed by a wolf day 1.. the odds on that are really small).. I also have absolutely no idea how I will be going about finding the person I need to eliminate since I have no power or ability to locate them.. Maybe one of my friends I need to find has an ability to do so, and I just need to find them.

Any player can be released after any amount of time. The 24 hour limit is basically so the game doesn't drag on forever and a day. it also gives a chance for another faction to release someone they know will end the game not in their favor if left in the bog.

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 09:06 AM

These complicated games give my little brain a headache.. I also found an item... seems to be magical but I've no idea what it does.

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

These complicated games give my little brain a headache.. I also found an item... seems to be magical but I've no idea what it does.

And to think, I tore out 2/3 of the actual rules and options for the players from my original game design!

Barkeep49 · 11-06-2007, 09:12 AM

Alan: I suspect there is one or more items that can help you with your searching. My problem is that right now I have an item which seems nice enough but I have no idea what it does and based on the PM I'm inclined to believe it's useful for someone else who isn't me. I just don't know what I should do with it. If I had the option to destroy it I probably would.

Barkeep49 · 11-06-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

And to think, I tore out 2/3 of the actual rules and options for the players from my original game design!

To be honest I wish that 2/3 was back in.

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 09:18 AM

You guys and your complicated games... pfft

Barkeep49 · 11-06-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

You guys and your complicated games... pfft

I know! I'm actually kind of happy that in comparison my most recent game doesn't seem all that complicated when compared to the games Hoops and CW have up coming and the one Alan just finished

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RendeR · 11-06-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan: I suspect there is one or more items that can help you with your searching. My problem is that right now I have an item which seems nice enough but I have no idea what it does and based on the PM I'm inclined to believe it's useful for someone else who isn't me. I just don't know what I should do with it. If I had the option to destroy it I probably would.

Items may be given freely to other players via PM to me at any time during the day. Mundane items (not listed as magical) may be destroyed by sending me a PM as well.

using an item does not use an action. You may use an item as often during the day as you wish if the item allows for such a thing.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan: I suspect there is one or more items that can help you with your searching. My problem is that right now I have an item which seems nice enough but I have no idea what it does and based on the PM I'm inclined to believe it's useful for someone else who isn't me. I just don't know what I should do with it. If I had the option to destroy it I probably would.

Well based on what Render said, I am trying to figure out how helping someone else by give it to them will pursue your interests any in the game. At this point I am struggling to figure out how this game doesn't just end up a battle royale so to speak, with the last man standing.. and the people who find their friends first controlling the votes each day.

This game could become chaos pretty quickly.

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

This game could become chaos pretty quickly.

I didn't name it ANARCHY in fairy tale land for nothing Alan =)

Passacaglia · 11-06-2007, 09:39 AM

I feel like this is a good time to reveal that I'm Buttercup.

jeheinz72 · 11-06-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I feel like this is a good time to reveal that I'm Buttercup.

That'd be great and all, but I have no idea what this means.

Passacaglia · 11-06-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

That'd be great and all, but I have no idea what this means.

Well, it means that I'm good.

SnDvls · 11-06-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I feel like this is a good time to reveal that I'm Buttercup.

is this a good idea? allowing the Dread Pirate Roberts to know who you are? I'm sure his goal has something to do with you.

st.cronin · 11-06-2007, 09:49 AM

I have no items, but submit for your consideration that Dodgerchick has a tail.

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

That'd be great and all, but I have no idea what this means.

It means that he is Buttercup from the Princess Bride, and that likely the Dread Pirate Roberts is looking for her and now knows who to search for today. Once they find each other, they will be able to PM with each other and go about trying to find someone else that they are friends with? Or try to figure out who their nemesis is to kill, who I am assuming is the Evil Mastermind (even though i would think the six fingered man would be a better choice).

Similarly there is Lancelot who is looking for Guinevere , Shrek who is looking for Fiona, and maybe others, Peter Pan looking for Wendy? or possibly just looking for tinkerbelle?

Obviously there are other groups with different types of win conditions, but this is just one of the bunch in the game.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

is this a good idea? allowing the Dread Pirate Roberts to know who you are? I'm sure his goal has something to do with you.

The Dread Pirate Roberts was a good guy, the Evil Mastermind I am guessing is supposed to be the Sicilian? Or maybe the evil role that is looking for Buttercup isn't listed in the character list.. like I would assume either Prince Humperdinck or the Six fingererd man to be after her..

I agree though, that Im not sure how wise it is to put a bullseye on yourself.

Passacaglia · 11-06-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

It means that he is Buttercup from the Princess Bride, and that likely the Dread Pirate Roberts is looking for her and now knows who to search for today. Once they find each other, they will be able to PM with each other and go about trying to find someone else that they are friends with? Or try to figure out who their nemesis is to kill, who I am assuming is the Evil Mastermind (even though i would think the six fingered man would be a better choice).

Similarly there is Lancelot who is looking for Guinevere , Shrek who is looking for Fiona, and maybe others, Peter Pan looking for Wendy? or possibly just looking for tinkerbelle?

Obviously there are other groups with different types of win conditions, but this is just one of the bunch in the game.

Are you the Dread Pirate Roberts, then?

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Are you the Dread Pirate Roberts, then?

No, I am not. Am I correct on your winning condition though? if so, at least help fill me in on who your nemesis is since I'm kind of missing a few of those pieces in my puzzle I've been trying to piece together all morning

I actually don't have anything to do with your story line.

jeheinz72 · 11-06-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The Dread Pirate Roberts was a good guy, the Evil Mastermind I am guessing is supposed to be the Sicilian? Or maybe the evil role that is looking for Buttercup isn't listed in the character list.. like I would assume either Prince Humperdinck or the Six fingererd man to be after her..

I agree though, that Im not sure how wise it is to put a bullseye on yourself.

So yeah, wouldn't the Evil Mastermind or whoever is Pass's bad guy then just want to pick him off? Even if he unites with Dread Pirate Roberts, he's likely to then get killed, so what was the point?

Telle · 11-06-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So yeah, wouldn't the Evil Mastermind or whoever is Pass's bad guy then just want to pick him off? Even if he unites with Dread Pirate Roberts, he's likely to then get killed, so what was the point?

Maybe he IS the bad guy, doing a gutsy move to get the Dread Pirate Roberts to speak up?

Passacaglia · 11-06-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Maybe he IS the bad guy, doing a gutsy move to get the Dread Pirate Roberts to speak up?

No. I'm Buttercup.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Maybe he IS the bad guy, doing a gutsy move to get the Dread Pirate Roberts to speak up?

I actually was thinking he was the Dread Pirate Roberts trying to find Buttercup and saying it this way to not give it away to whomever his nemesis is.

ntndeacon · 11-06-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have no items, but submit for your consideration that Dodgerchick has a tail.

VOTE DODGERCHICK

worth a shot. although that isn't as descriptive as it would be in other games. I guess that her tail is you right now though.

Vote DodgerChick

st.cronin · 11-06-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I guess that her tail is you right now though.

Was last night. Or yesterday, not sure how the schedule really works.

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have no items, but submit for your consideration that Dodgerchick has a tail.

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Nice! What kind of tail? Fluffy? Long? Curly? So many tails in this game. I found someone with a tail as well.

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Was last night. Or yesterday, not sure how the schedule really works.

I'm kinda working this as I go SC, basically the only discerning factor is that day actions get responses almost instantly (as I can) and the rest have to wait because of actions that depend on what others do as well so those get sorted out after deadline and become defacto "night" actions.

ntndeacon · 11-06-2007, 10:29 AM

I just looked for stuff and found nothing! hopefully will have better luck tonight.

Telle · 11-06-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Nice! What kind of tail? Fluffy? Long? Curly? So many tails in this game. I found someone with a tail as well.

Care to say who?

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 10:34 AM

I heart Oliegirl.

just sayin.

Passacaglia · 11-06-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I actually was thinking he was the Dread Pirate Roberts trying to find Buttercup and saying it this way to not give it away to whomever his nemesis is.

No, just Buttercup. You guys know that I'm a pretty straight shooter in these games. Look at last game as evidence. Everyone was all conspiracy theorist, and going off on all these crazy tangents about what I could be up to, but in the end, the result was pretty boring.

DaddyTorgo · 11-06-2007, 10:37 AM

good news villagers! i have decided to replace sebastian (despite wanting a game off). Now let me get up to speed and catch us some wolves while I hopefully try to get out of the Bog I guess (per my PM from Render).

This is my introductory post.

Thomkal · 11-06-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Just checking in and reporting that although I didn't find anything in Sherwood Forest last night, I did see the wolf and Thomkal, though he wasn't dead yet. However, I did catch a glimpse of his lace panties

well i suppose you could have them now since I don't have any use for them anymore.

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Care to say who?

I wouldn't, but cronin might.

Alan T · 11-06-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

good news villagers! i have decided to replace sebastian (despite wanting a game off). Now let me get up to speed and catch us some wolves while I hopefully try to get out of the Bog I guess (per my PM from Render).

This is my introductory post.

Just for clarification sake, can you post and comment while in the bog, or are you kind of stuck there until someone or something frees you?

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I wouldn't, but cronin might.

Oh wait, i'm such an idiot, you mean who I found with a tail? Not quite yet, I certainly don't wanna make it easier for other players when I have my own victory conditions.

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Just for clarification sake, can you post and comment while in the bog, or are you kind of stuck there until someone or something frees you?

He cannot post or vote until he escapes from the Bog, in whatever manner that happens.

SnDvls · 11-06-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Just for clarification sake, can you post and comment while in the bog, or are you kind of stuck there until someone or something frees you?

the rules say no posting or voting while there.

SnDvls · 11-06-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

good news villagers! i have decided to replace sebastian (despite wanting a game off). Now let me get up to speed and catch us some wolves while I hopefully try to get out of the Bog I guess (per my PM from Render).

This is my introductory post.

welcome DT

RendeR · 11-06-2007, 10:47 AM

You all hear a tiny shreeeeeeek! and as you follow the sound you find St. Cronin lying on the ground with a crossbow bolt sticking out between his tiny little wings!

St. Cronin is dead!! he was Tinkerbelle!

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 10:48 AM

right on... welcome dt

Lorena · 11-06-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

You all hear a tiny shreeeeeeek! and as you follow the sound you find St. Cronin lying on the ground with a crossbow bolt sticking out between his tiny little wings!

St. Cronin is dead!! he was Tinkerbelle!

Uh... wtf?

st.cronin · 11-06-2007, 10:50 AM

Well.

oliegirl · 11-06-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I heart Oliegirl.

just sayin.

Oh yeah, thanks render...now Telle is going to be out for me! Like I don't have enough to worry about with wolves, dragons, pigs, etc...

11-06-2007, 09:49 AM	#271
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I have no items, but submit for your consideration that Dodgerchick has a tail. VOTE DODGERCHICK __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-06-2007, 10:34 AM	#286
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I heart Oliegirl. just sayin. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-06-2007, 10:47 AM	#296
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	You all hear a tiny shreeeeeeek! and as you follow the sound you find St. Cronin lying on the ground with a crossbow bolt sticking out between his tiny little wings! St. Cronin is dead!! he was Tinkerbelle! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-06-2007, 10:50 AM	#299
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Well. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-06-2007, 08:33 AM	#251
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Has anyone played a game like this before where it seems like there's a multitude of victory conditions? Any thoughts on strategy?

11-06-2007, 08:57 AM	#254
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok, so basically then as far as I'm concerned people outside of my victory condition are enemies. So even people with begnin villager roles are a threat to me because they might achieve their victory condition before me. Hmm. Very interesting.

11-06-2007, 09:00 AM	#256
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Time for me to improvise my strategy a bit.. He's not one of my friends, so don't know if he is a good guy or bad guy, but sorry bud! Vote Hoopsguy

11-06-2007, 09:06 AM	#258
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	These complicated games give my little brain a headache.. I also found an item... seems to be magical but I've no idea what it does.

11-06-2007, 09:12 AM	#260
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Alan: I suspect there is one or more items that can help you with your searching. My problem is that right now I have an item which seems nice enough but I have no idea what it does and based on the PM I'm inclined to believe it's useful for someone else who isn't me. I just don't know what I should do with it. If I had the option to destroy it I probably would.

11-06-2007, 09:18 AM	#262
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	You guys and your complicated games... pfft

11-06-2007, 09:39 AM	#267
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I feel like this is a good time to reveal that I'm Buttercup.

11-06-2007, 10:29 AM	#284
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I just looked for stuff and found nothing! hopefully will have better luck tonight.

11-06-2007, 10:37 AM	#288
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	good news villagers! i have decided to replace sebastian (despite wanting a game off). Now let me get up to speed and catch us some wolves while I hopefully try to get out of the Bog I guess (per my PM from Render). This is my introductory post.

11-06-2007, 10:48 AM	#297
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	right on... welcome dt

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