Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 5

BrianD · 07-06-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

The Jackal · 07-06-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

I doubt that any of the conspirators, should they be in the game, are anything other than bad.

The Jackal · 07-06-2009, 11:53 AM

But there is certainly a chance that our mods gave one of those conspirator characters a different route to follow than what happened on the show, we'll see. Speculating on roles based on characters is something we probably won't get to for a while, unless everyone is just going to start shooting names off, which doesn't seem prudent at this point.

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 11:57 AM

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

The Jackal · 07-06-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

Yes, that is true. I think that relates more to the wealth of good characters, though, that we can't assume all of them are good. It'd be weird if the 4 conspirators listed starting showing up claiming to be good guys.

BrianD · 07-06-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

I thought the same but then got confused by having the four characters listed as conspirators. So if some character has the ability to "see" that one of the players is Habib Marwan, we shouldn't assume that he is bad?

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yes, that is true. I think that relates more to the wealth of good characters, though, that we can't assume all of them are good. It'd be weird if the 4 conspirators listed starting showing up claiming to be good guys.

Yeah, it could be weighted toward them I suppose. Iw as thinking of the Marvel game, where it clearly was very random, but then there we all had public roles so that was much more necessary. It might not be as random here.

I'm curious to see what effect having DT cleared and public will have. Hopefully that's combined with some sort of ability to build a CoT.

Passacaglia · 07-06-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about.

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

The Jackal · 07-06-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

It says he's loyal to the government which means he's the only character we know the allegiance of, or should assume the allegiance of, which I think is what the point was.

DaddyTorgo · 07-06-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

I'm pretty sure it said that too.

path12 · 07-06-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

I would agree with this. On both counts.

Passacaglia · 07-06-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

It says he's loyal to the government which means he's the only character we know the allegiance of, or should assume the allegiance of, which I think is what the point was.

I suppose. It doesn't say NOT to assume it about anyone else, though. I guess that's all I was thinking.

hoopsguy · 07-06-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

That section has been changed from "Foreigners/Conspirators" to "TV Show Villains" to avoid any confusion with the "Conspirators (aka wolves)" in this game.

The rules post does contain information on the relationship between "TV show persona" and "WW game persona". In nebulous language that we probably will not clarify further

BrianD · 07-06-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That section has been changed from "Foreigners/Conspirators" to "TV Show Villains" to avoid any confusion with the "Conspirators (aka wolves)" in this game.

The rules post does contain information on the relationship between "TV show persona" and "WW game persona". In nebulous language that we probably will not clarify further

That's cool, now I know not to assume any absolutes. If I see a Habib Marwan come out in the game, I know I can be suspicious but shouldn't be absolutely sure he is bad. That gives me what I was looking for. Thanks.

JAG · 07-06-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I suppose. It doesn't say NOT to assume it about anyone else, though. I guess that's all I was thinking.

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

[color=red]Each character is assigned the name of a character from the television show. All characters have unique abilities. The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

This is what I was reading. It seems pretty clear to me that we can't assume anything. I assume the roles will mostly work out in terms of certain inter-character relationships, ways roles interact based on the TV show.

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 12:59 PM

Hah, jinx.

Passacaglia · 07-06-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

What I don't get, then, is why the wolves are given the names of the characters that are not in the game.

JAG · 07-06-2009, 01:08 PM

I hear you, I didn't totally get that myself. I guess it gives them a bit more flexibility as to what type of role they want to fake reveal as.

Schmidty · 07-06-2009, 01:13 PM

So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have.

And by the way this game looks to be more dificult than I thought. I'm kind of confused about clock/lynch thing. I'll go back through rules again when I get a chance.

BrianD · 07-06-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

And my only confusing was characters listed as conspirators. I now know the list was of people who were conspirators on the show not necessarily in the game. I just needed clarification that "conspirator" meant "conspirator on the show". Makes much more sense now, and will hopefully prevent an even bigger fight in-game.

Passacaglia · 07-06-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

And my only confusing was characters listed as conspirators. I now know the list was of people who were conspirators on the show not necessarily in the game. I just needed clarification that "conspirator" meant "conspirator on the show". Makes much more sense now, and will hopefully prevent an even bigger fight in-game.

This is about where I'm at now, I think.

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have.

That, and in addition I think that it's probably not a good idea to put our roles out there. I imagine certain roles can affect certain other roles so for the most part it's probably best to keep the wolves (and neutrals?) in the dark.

Thomkal · 07-06-2009, 02:06 PM

I agree with what others are saying about mass reveals-there's going to be quite a few extra roles out there-like 7? and even if there is a mass reveal it tells us nothing about what side people are on, especially given the clarification from the mods about the roles list and only gives slight clues to whatever powers are out there. And I'm guessing there's going to be some duplicate/very similar powers out there given the number of people in the game.

EagleFan · 07-06-2009, 02:19 PM

Glad I decided to get back into this one.

Will check back in later. Home with a migraine and figured I would pop on to see if I missed anything. Time to close my eyes for a while longer.

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

checking in...if we can keep the posts below 200 by noon (yes danny, i am talking to you), i should be able to keep up from work

Catching up, but I did not post for 8 hours just for you (and cause I was sleeping

hoopsguy · 07-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Saldana should be happy to know there were only 197 posts by noon (EST).

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Can you expand on what you're thinking here? Chief Rum and I have thrown out our thoughts, we have one brand new player and myself working on game #2, and even some experienced players may not be able to conceive of what you're thinking that might be helpful for those in the government to know, so long as it won't be overly helpful for the conspiracy to see your thoughts laid out.

I don't know the roles and powers people have, but using basic WW roles as an example. A seer could feed his scans to a previously scanned player through these PM's. A bodyguard could feed his identity to somehow he protected and prevent a night kill from. A duke could PM to players under lynch consideration for info. As for wolves, PM's like these could be faked.

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm not sure I agree on the top half of your table, Danny. My hunch would be that if no one gets 40% of the vote, we've got no lynch for the day.

Question: What happens if two players have 40% of the vote when the clock ticks 23:00?

That's certainly possible

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

based upon my own role description, it would make sense to me that the abilities are at least nebulously related to the characters, but since the alliegences are not related to the characters, a mass role reveal doesnt really do anything for us.

Definitely agreed.

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

I agree, we should not apply absolutes to this, but hopefully this is not any real consideration to a full reveal as it is pointless if not harmful to the village.

DaddyTorgo · 07-06-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too),

not unless she's conspiring to throw a topless pool party at my place!!

DaddyTorgo · 07-06-2009, 02:57 PM

I'M JACK BAUER!!!!!

Danny · 07-06-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

not unless she's conspiring to throw a topless pool party at my place!!

You may not try and sex your daughter up

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 02:59 PM

Yeah, you've got the worst role in the game DT.

DaddyTorgo · 07-06-2009, 03:06 PM

Poli · 07-06-2009, 03:43 PM

Tick, tick, tick...

nfg22 · 07-06-2009, 05:05 PM

Well....I have not much more to say at this point...but i enjoy the discussion. I think the players are totally random, but to me it doesnt matter as I have never watched the show.

PurdueBrad · 07-06-2009, 05:16 PM

I'll be driving now so I will catch you guys in the morning. Thanks for bearing with me.

kingfc22 · 07-06-2009, 06:00 PM

I want some action

This is 24!

EagleFan · 07-06-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I want some action

This is 24!

Looks like it's the night before the premier, we still have a few hours to go.

EagleFan · 07-06-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'll be driving now so I will catch you guys in the morning. Thanks for bearing with me.

Don't worry, it will give me time to prepare my vote. Unless you want to talk about a new sig?

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 07:33 PM

It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.

Barkeep49 · 07-06-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.

Not that it will be much of an issue in this game but we use the Central Time Zone this game as that is what both Hoops and I reside in.

Autumn · 07-06-2009, 07:45 PM

Aw, thanks, I forgot about that.

Danny · 07-06-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Not that it will be much of an issue in this game but we use the Central Time Zone this game as that is what both Hoops and I reside in.

Bah! I am on the west coast and I will always refer to time in the eastern time zone since that is standard around here.

henry296 · 07-06-2009, 07:47 PM

A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day.

1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything.
2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high.
3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time.

This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now.

EagleFan · 07-06-2009, 08:07 PM

So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

Danny · 07-06-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

3

Barkeep49 · 07-06-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

3

Over. Book it for as much as you'd be willing to take.

07-06-2009, 01:13 PM	#220
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have. And by the way this game looks to be more dificult than I thought. I'm kind of confused about clock/lynch thing. I'll go back through rules again when I get a chance. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-06-2009, 02:57 PM	#233
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07-06-2009, 03:06 PM	#236
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07-06-2009, 03:43 PM	#237
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Tick, tick, tick... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-06-2009, 06:00 PM	#240
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07-06-2009, 11:53 AM	#203
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	But there is certainly a chance that our mods gave one of those conspirator characters a different route to follow than what happened on the show, we'll see. Speculating on roles based on characters is something we probably won't get to for a while, unless everyone is just going to start shooting names off, which doesn't seem prudent at this point.

07-06-2009, 11:57 AM	#204
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

07-06-2009, 12:59 PM	#217
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Hah, jinx.

07-06-2009, 01:08 PM	#219
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I hear you, I didn't totally get that myself. I guess it gives them a bit more flexibility as to what type of role they want to fake reveal as.

07-06-2009, 02:06 PM	#224
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I agree with what others are saying about mass reveals-there's going to be quite a few extra roles out there-like 7? and even if there is a mass reveal it tells us nothing about what side people are on, especially given the clarification from the mods about the roles list and only gives slight clues to whatever powers are out there. And I'm guessing there's going to be some duplicate/very similar powers out there given the number of people in the game.

07-06-2009, 02:19 PM	#225
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Glad I decided to get back into this one. Will check back in later. Home with a migraine and figured I would pop on to see if I missed anything. Time to close my eyes for a while longer.

07-06-2009, 02:38 PM	#227
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Saldana should be happy to know there were only 197 posts by noon (EST).

07-06-2009, 02:59 PM	#235
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, you've got the worst role in the game DT.

07-06-2009, 05:05 PM	#238
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Well....I have not much more to say at this point...but i enjoy the discussion. I think the players are totally random, but to me it doesnt matter as I have never watched the show.

07-06-2009, 07:33 PM	#243
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.

07-06-2009, 07:45 PM	#245
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Aw, thanks, I forgot about that.

07-06-2009, 07:47 PM	#247
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day. 1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything. 2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high. 3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time. This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-06-2009, 08:07 PM	#248
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

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