FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Noop

The police are very similar to organized crime. They have a us versus them mentality. The officer no longer cooperating is exactly what a MAFIA would require.

That's not saying all cops are bad but they definitely circle the wagons and protect their bad seeds.

This should be at the very heart of all changes. The entire culture of the operation needs to be challenged. I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head. Supporting your own should always be subservient to what is right.

[Jukeman]

Originally Posted by Noop

The police are very similar to organized crime. They have a us versus them mentality. The officer no longer cooperating is exactly what a MAFIA would require.

That's not saying all cops are bad but they definitely circle the wagons and protect their bad seeds.

Fraternal Order

Aka a brother hood.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Noop

These officers are getting a few weeks, a badge and gun to execute the citizens.

FTFY

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I guess we'll see. Do you have a source for this information, other than the DA, as his knowledge may be suspect?

Does the Atlanta Police Departments official page count as a source?

https://www.atlantapd.org/about-apd/...s#!#swBBjgrao8

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Butter

Minneapolis cops were driving around indiscriminately pepper spraying folks from their cars and slashing people's tires. Atlanta cops decide not to show up to work. New York cops have tried to run people over, among other things. Many other individual cops have been filmed antagonizing protesters or literally violating the constitutional rights of reporters.

I haven't seen a whole lot of video of Senators or Representatives deliberately thumbing their nose at their constituents and if they do, they get voted out. I can't vote on the cops. Except maybe sheriff, who is a waste of fucking space.

57 Buffalo cops showing up at the court house to cheer their brothers for pushing down a 75 year old man and not helping him.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Noop

These officers are getting a few weeks, a badge and gun to execute the law.

This is a huge point that hasn't been addressed enough. When it takes you longer to get certified in cosmetology (a well used example) there is a problem. Not sure how practical it is to expand that training for every officer as part of the academy. But at worst each department should have a staff, or access to resources that provide ongoing training and require officers to complete X amount before competing their probationary period and so many hours of annual training.

Police mentality has evolved very little since the early 1900's when they were pretty much the final authority and pretty much a gang in many cities. The mindset still exists to varying degrees and needs to be broken down by leadership and Police Unions need a complete overhaul.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

This is a huge point that hasn't been addressed enough. When it takes you longer to get certified in cosmetology (a well used example) there is a problem. Not sure how practical it is to expand that training for every officer as part of the academy. But at worst each department should have a staff, or access to resources that provide ongoing training and require officers to complete X amount before competing their probationary period and so many hours of annual training.

Police mentality has evolved very little since the early 1900's when they were pretty much the final authority and pretty much a gang in many cities. The mindset still exists to varying degrees and needs to be broken down by leadership and Police Unions need a complete overhaul.

Someone looked at this in this thread 4 years ago, with respect to an officer being able to detect signs of autism...

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Found some more info on this. In Georgia, the Police Academy is 408 hours, and 4 hours are spent on "Mental Health, Mental Redardation and Substance Abuse."

(Yes, that is a direct copy/paste from the state public safety web site: 403 Forbidden )

So out of the 408 hours, 4 are spent in the very broad area, including substance. So, what, maybe 30 minutes at most on identifying signs of autism?

Continuing education exists, though I couldn't find any indication that it is required. On the contrary, the couple of articles that I did find made it at least *seem* like it's optional, and none of the classes that I ran across had anything to do with disorders / mental health.

[Brian Swartz]

The other thing about training is that I think it's one of the few areas of reform that can actually be address properly and meaningfully on the federal level. Mandating certain minimum levels of training and annual retraining across the board.

[Ben E Lou]

More on that context...

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I don't know a ton about autism, but my nephew has a case that I would consider "severe." He's 15. He barely talks. He rarely/never makes eye contact. He screams at the top of his lungs for longs periods of time with his face inches from face when you do something he doesn't like. He *sometimes* does what my brother and sister-in-law tell him to do immediately, but usually it takes 2 or 3 times even for them, and he ignores pretty much everyone else as if he didn't hear you. There's basically zero chance that he'd comply with an officer's orders. My brother and sister-in-law try their best not to let him out of their sight, but now that he's older, he has gotten out of the house and started walking down the street a few times. And my brother and sister-in-law live in a mostly-white higher-end neighborhood. They are quite worried for him after hearing about this story.

Originally Posted by PilotMan

And they should be. My oldest is high functioning to the point that he has his first job and a drivers license at the age of 21. He was involved in a single car accident and the officer who showed up to question him became very hostile and aggressive toward him when he was slow to answer questions and couldn't give a factual recounting of what had happened. He started yelling at him, accused him of being on drugs, of driving distracted, and totally scared the crap out of him. This was his first dealing with the police, all on his own and is really shook him up.

When I got there I explained to the officer that he was high functioning autistic and the officer said he didn't know what that was. That blew me away.

We've looked into getting a card made up that he can pass to the officer to explain himself better before things escalate like that. Keep in mind, the escalation was 100% initiated by the officer.

The Mrs and I were discussing this very event yesterday it disturbed us greatly. There are countless stories of special needs adults, trying to be independent, who end up out of their element, who end up in tazed, cuffed and in jail. At least they weren't shot first.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

The other thing about training is that I think it's one of the few areas of reform that can actually be address properly and meaningfully on the federal level. Mandating certain minimum levels of training and annual retraining across the board.

And imo should somewhat centralize it at least at a state level with a uniform schedule (for the specifics of each city/county you have the probation period/on the job training), that way you might be able to break the endless cycle of local 'tradition' where you essentially train people in the narrowest sense possible.
Maybe cooperate with universities or other agencies, both local and further afield, for parts of the training (if not done already ?).

Over here you usually spend 2.5-3 years learning the trade as such without local bias. Including lots of theory in Law, social work/science etc, but also a much broader curriculum for practical policing and 2 'internships' totalling 5-6 months with 2 different departments at different points of that 2.5-3 year period. Only then do you get to apply to a Department and then get on the job training specific to that city/county.

I know this isn't going to be changed in a day and would not work like that tomorrow (you'd have few applicants, for starters) but long term i really fail to see why the US should not try and aim at a similar level of thoroughness as countries where the profession is much less dangerous, has more specialisation and specialist support.

[Ben E Lou]

This is...I would say "unbelievable," but it's sadly...believable. It's utter insanity, though. Euclid, OH police training included the Chris Rock "how to not get yo' ass kicked by police" video, and a "Defensive Training" manual that featured a cartoon of a cop beating an unarmed civilian with the caption "protecting and serving the poop out of you."

This, uh, would be one of those examples of "problematic police culture."

6th Cir.: no QI for officers who pulled their guns on then tased and pepper-balled an unresisting black man.

But that's not the amazing part. The *city* can be sued for policy and failure to train because officer training included a Chris Rock video! https://t.co/jd9GpvGTY5 pic.twitter.com/y2BOcuX5R4

— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) June 18, 2020

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Does the Atlanta Police Departments official page count as a source?

https://www.atlantapd.org/about-apd/...s#!#swBBjgrao8

I'm not sure this is the correct link. It takes me to some 2011-2014 Powerpoint presentation that tells me that Atlanta police started using Tasers in 2013.

I was looking for some confirmation that the Taser used in this incident was a "... 2 use taser that was used twice" and was "...useless."

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I'm not sure this is the correct link. It takes me to some 2011-2014 Powerpoint presentation that tells me that Atlanta police started using Tasers in 2013.

I was looking for some confirmation that the Taser used in this incident was a "... 2 use taser that was used twice" and was "...useless."

Weird. When I click on it it says the police were issued 2 shot tasers.

But I also misunderstood what you were asking. I guess we could look at video and see if it was fired twice, but Im not sure we could tell. I imagine it will not come out until the taser is checked and the info is released.

Regardless, a DUI stop should never end in a death.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Butter

You're doing a ton of assuming of what the DA might or might not know along with the type of taser it may or may not have been along with what the police may or may not have done with the taser along with what they thought about the suspect having a weapon, and what kind of search needs to really be performed to be 100% sure that there is or is not a weapon.

Perhaps you're right. Or perhaps the DA has already done some of this work before charges are brought. Either way, that's a lot of mental hoops.

I'm not assuming anything about what the DA knew, I'm saying I believe he's wrong. Now, I have speculated on why that might be, but regardless of why, I believe he's wrong.

Regarding what the police thought about the suspect having a weapon, as I previously stated, this came directly from the lawyer of the accused.

Regarding the search, it was Rainmaker who said that "They already searched him. They knew it wasn't a real gun." Seems like more of an assumption on his part than on mine.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Weird. When I click on it it says the police were issued 2 shot tasers.

Although it's not working for me, that's interesting that they refer to being issued a Taser that fires two shots. That (and having watched the video again) suggests that it's either the Taser X2 or Taser X7, the only two models that fire two sets of probes without having to reload cartridges in between. With either model, they can still be used in drive-stun mode even after both sets of probes are deployed, assuming the user has not removed the cartridge.

For anyone that wants an example of what I'm talking about, here's a video that demonstrates drive stun mode following the probes being deployed. While this is an older Taser model, it's pretty much a universal feature in every Taser (and confirmed in the info pages for the X2 and X7) so that police aren't left carrying a paperweight in their hands.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Taser that Brooks had could be used in the same manner as the video above. So although it may not fire anymore probes, I disagree with your assertion, and the DA's, that it's useless.

Originally Posted by tarcone

But I also misunderstood what you were asking. I guess we could look at video and see if it was fired twice, but Im not sure we could tell. I imagine it will not come out until the taser is checked and the info is released.

I believe I was wrong on this. I watched the video again and it looks like even though the first officer uses the Taser in drive stun mode, Brooks fires the first set of probes from that same Taser when he gets up off the ground immediately before Rolfe fires his Taser back, thus the three pops (Brooks firing one set of probes and Rolfe firing off both). When Brooks fires the Taser the second time while running, that would be the second set of probes from the Taser he was carying. So I would agree with the assertion that it was fired twice and couldn't be fired again (drive stun mode notwithstanding).

Originally Posted by tarcone

Regardless, a DUI stop should never end in a death.

Agreed.

[kingfc22]

Bigots gonna bigot.

NASCAR sees Confederate flags fly outside Talladega Superspeedway

[Arles]

Looks like they one-upped themselves. This is just sickening:

NASCAR says noose found in Bubba Wallace's garage at Talladega

NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of driver Bubba Wallace, who is black, on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

Late this afternoon, NASCAR was made aware that a noose was found in the garage stall of the 43 team. We are angry and outraged, and cannot state strongly enough how seriously we take this heinous act," NASCAR said in a statement. "We have launched an immediate investigation, and will do everything we can to identify the person(s) responsible and eliminate them from the sport.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Arles

Looks like they one-upped themselves. This is just sickening:

NASCAR says noose found in Bubba Wallace's garage at Talladega

This is really concerning, with the limited access to the pits and just now letting fans back, this almost assuredly is someone with NASCAR team or organization credentials.

There has got to be video of this with all the security around the pits.

[PilotMan]

you would think video would be a given

[Lathum]

and of course the trolls and ghouls are comparing it to Jussie Smollet

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and of course the trolls and ghouls are comparing it to Jussie Smollet

This comes as zero surprise, Smollett (who is an an absolute idiot) is going to be a counter line for this type of stuff in the same vein of Tawanna Brawley as some people look for any excuse at all to marginalize the problem. Thanks Jussie.

[cartman]

5️⃣9️⃣6️⃣ Columbus, OH: police pepper spray a double amputee, then *disconnect and take his prosthetic legs*

The man *crawled on his hands* to get medical help while a group of protestors rushed the cops to get his legs back

Today, 21 June 2020

[Reddit: https://t.co/OEK8Nvms43] pic.twitter.com/65ppkbo4dv

— T. Greg Doucette (@greg_doucette) June 22, 2020

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and of course the trolls and ghouls are comparing it to Jussie Smollet

As a NASCAR fan this is sickening. I am happy the drivers are rallying behind Bubba (#IStandWithBubba is trending), but the amount of comments on tweets saying it was staged is way too much. Like NASCAR fans literally can't comprehend someone can be that racist and have to blame it on the black man trying to manipulate people.

[Lathum]

Amazing sight

We rally around @BubbaWallace. Fellow drivers push his No. 43 car to the front in Talladega.#IStandWithBubba pic.twitter.com/n0YwN1qq5l

— FOX: NASCAR (@NASCARONFOX) June 22, 2020

[RainMaker]

Maybe the bad apples just work the night shift.

5️⃣9️⃣8️⃣ New York City, NY: NYPD decides to put on a sound and light show for West Harlem residents at 3:00am today

Looks like a *lot* of cops who can safely be defunded

[@fromzerotojeo]
pic.twitter.com/tLWfTfaTTD

— T. Greg Doucette (@greg_doucette) June 22, 2020

[PilotMan]

what the actual fuck..

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

This comes as zero surprise, Smollett (who is an an absolute idiot) is going to be a counter line for this type of stuff in the same vein of Tawanna Brawley as some people look for any excuse at all to marginalize the problem. Thanks Jussie.

To be fair to Smollet, Wilfrid Reilly, a professor at the University of Eastern Kentucky, found that of the 346 cases he researched, less than a third of reported hate crimes were genuine. That's a lot of hate crimes going on but also a ton of hoaxes.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

what the actual fuck..

It's an old anti-protesting trick governments use. Popular in France. Find the community that is protesting and don't let them sleep till they stop.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

To be fair to Smollet, Wilfrid Reilly, a professor at the University of Eastern Kentucky, found that of the 346 cases he researched, less than a third of reported hate crimes were genuine. That's a lot of hate crimes going on but also a ton of hoaxes.

I'm reading what his research was for his book, and..

For the book, Reilly assembled a data set of 409 allegedly false or dubious hate crime allegations (concentrated during the past five years), which he describes as hoaxes on the basis of reports in mainstream national or regional news sources. Reilly claims this data set is available to anyone who requests it.[3] He uses this data to support his claim that a substantial percentage of all hate crime allegations must be hoaxes, given that, per his analysis, only about 7,000 reported hate crimes take place in a typical year, and at most 8-10% of these receive the national or regional reporting that is required for inclusion in his data set.[4]

Wilfred Reilly - Wikipedia

That doesn't exactly scream rigorous research.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

To be fair to Smollet, Wilfrid Reilly, a professor at the University of Eastern Kentucky, found that of the 346 cases he researched, less than a third of reported hate crimes were genuine. That's a lot of hate crimes going on but also a ton of hoaxes.

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I'm reading what his research was for his book, and..


Wilfred Reilly - Wikipedia

That doesn't exactly scream rigorous research.

Yeah, that is a very select sample

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Amazing sight

We rally around @BubbaWallace. Fellow drivers push his No. 43 car to the front in Talladega.#IStandWithBubba pic.twitter.com/n0YwN1qq5l

— FOX: NASCAR (@NASCARONFOX) June 22, 2020

Wow, that got the tears flowing

[RainMaker]

Cops made up another story to frame some poor worker. Just insane.

[NobodyHere]

What a fuckin shock:

FBI says rope had been in Talladega garage since October; Bubba Wallace not victim of hate crime

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and of course the trolls and ghouls are comparing it to Jussie Smollet

Looks like they're the smart ones.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

What a fuckin shock:

FBI says rope had been in Talladega garage since October; Bubba Wallace not victim of hate crime

I too am absolutely shocked, particularly in light of my post yesterday regarding the statistics regarding hate crimes.

I am also shocked that instead of looking at every other bay door and seeing that each of them also had a "noose," people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it must be a hate crime.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Looks like they're the smart ones.

Incorrect, although they’re too dumb to understand the differences. Wallace never saw it, nor did he report it. (Not to mention that there was an actual noose there, so it’s therefore not a made-up incident.)

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I too am absolutely shocked, particularly in light of my post yesterday regarding the statistics regarding hate crimes.

You linked to some hack who knows nothing about statistics and only goal is to be the black guy on Fox News who tells their old racist viewers that racism doesn't exist (which seems to be working).

Real studies show around 0.2% of hate crimes turn out to be hoaxes.

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/...%2011%20PM.pdf

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Incorrect, although they’re too dumb to understand the differences. Wallace never saw it, nor did he report it. (Not to mention that there was an actual noose there, so it’s therefore not a made-up incident.)

There wasn’t even a noose at all.
It was the “foot ring” found on every manual garage door ever installed.
My shop has 5 doors and everyone has one.

It’s so you can grab the cord and pull the door down.

Clay Travis is an idiot but he identified it and snapped photos of the 43 pit with the foot ring cut off and every other bay with it still in tact.

That said the point about Bubba never seeing it or reporting it is very valid in terms of differentiation.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Looks like they're the smart ones.

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I too am absolutely shocked, particularly in light of my post yesterday regarding the statistics regarding hate crimes.

I am also shocked that instead of looking at every other bay door and seeing that each of them also had a "noose," people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it must be a hate crime.

Jesus, really guys? Because of the timing, which is conspicuous, people should have investigated, they did, found it was there before and quickly got the word out. There is absolutely no parallel to the bullshit that worthless fucker Smollett pulled and its a piss poor take to even compare the two.

His team had no way to know that and you can bash the reaction, but given the timing you should be able to understand it. Why can't we just be glad it didn't happen, instead of acting like Wallace and/or his team perpetrated some kind of scam?

[sterlingice]

Competitors came together to support one of their fellow racers in a wonderful scene of solidarity against racism.

But, hey, let's "celebrate" the fact that it was found out to be fake.

SI

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Jesus, really guys? Because of the timing, which is conspicuous, people should have investigated, they did, found it was there before and quickly got the word out. There is absolutely no parallel to the bullshit that worthless fucker Smollett pulled and its a piss poor take to even compare the two.

His team had no way to know that and you can bash the reaction, but given the timing you should be able to understand it. Why can't we just be glad it didn't happen, instead of acting like Wallace and/or his team perpetrated some kind of scam?

Oh, I completely agree with you that there is no comparison to Smollett. My feigned surprise was to the fact that this was unfounded, not that it was some sort of staged hoax. I apologize as I should have been more clear about that.

This seems like an instance of someone on Wallace's team jumping to conclusions (and I hope that's all it is). Unfortunately though, I think this is a byproduct of the media and organizations such as BLM weaponizing race,* so that at every turn that is what we are trained to see. It's no different than the reaction in Oakland to the "nooses" in the park, which was in fact exercise equipment that were placed there by a black gentleman.

I don't think we can move forward towards eliminating racism as a society until we stop making everything a racial issue, and that's not going to happen by constantly calling to light racial issues that aren't racial issues.

That's not to say that racism isn't prevalent in the world. But not every slight to either an individual or a group of another race is a result of bigoted attitudes or even race based prejudice, even when certain groups may be disproportionately affected (and I appreciate that this is much easier for me to say when I don't have to question whether the employee at the store was an asshole to me because he is a racist or just because he's an asshole).

I completely agree that there are some serious steps that need to be taken forward as far as addressing those that are socially marginalized, be it as a result of race, gender, class, education, etc. We absolute need to address those that have been kept on the fringes for far too long. But right now, with the movements going on, I'm just not convinced we are on the right path to get there.

*To clarify what I mean and as an example of this, as noted previous times, statistics do not support the fact that police shoot black people at a disproportionate rate when accounting for variables. Despite this, the narrative pushed forth by BLM and the media is that this is indeed the case.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Competitors came together to support one of their fellow racers in a wonderful scene of solidarity against racism.

But, hey, let's "celebrate" the fact that it was found out to be fake.

SI

Yeah, it is somewhat disappointing that people want to pile on like it was some ruse. Seeing how all the teams stepped up in support of Wallace was a beautiful thing.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

*To clarify what I mean and as an example of this, as noted previous times, statistics do not support the fact that police shoot black people at a disproportionate rate when accounting for variables. Despite this, the narrative pushed forth by BLM and the media is that this is indeed the case.

This is (still) false. The narrative that BLM and the media are pushing are that black people are being killed and brutalized by the police at a disproportionate rate, and a single study focusing entirely on shootings from 2015-2020 certainly doesn't disprove that. How many times was George Floyd shot?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I completely agree that there are some serious steps that need to be taken forward as far as addressing those that are socially marginalized, be it as a result of race, gender, class, education, etc. We absolute need to address those that have been kept on the fringes for far too long.
.

Thank you for that and I do agree that there are factions that will try and capitalize on this for their own agenda, or to further stoke the tensions by creating things that are not there.

In the end, at least short term we have to accept that that will happen and not let it dampen the momentum those that are committed to improving opportunities and leveling the playing field for all people of color have gained.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I completely agree that there are some serious steps that need to be taken forward as far as addressing those that are socially marginalized, be it as a result of race, gender, class, education, etc. We absolute need to address those that have been kept on the fringes for far too long. But right now, with the movements going on, I'm just not convinced we are on the right path to get there.

This is denying that racism is a separate issue at all.

[RainMaker]

While there is a lot of talk about states like Kentucky and Georgia shutting down polling places, don't forget that blue states do it too. New York has a ludicrous election set up and make it really tough to vote in the primaries. This is to keep the establishment firmly entrenched.

Funny this is that AOC used that to her advantage because it didn't take a lot of primary votes to unseat one of the top Democrats in the House.

Anyway, this is ludicous.

The line to vote right now at Yonkers High School. #NY16 pic.twitter.com/Of0DhiYj0m

— Jamaal Bowman (@JamaalBowmanNY) June 23, 2020

[bhlloy]

The Wallace thing really fucking sucks. There's so much legitimate progress being made right now in areas that would have seemed fanciful 6 months ago and that was such an awesome gesture yesterday from a sport that you would never have expected to see, to find that it was (at best) somebody overreacting in the current climate is just going to have all the wrong impact. It's understandable why something like this would break and become a news story, but damn if it wouldn't have been better to do the research on it first.

And that's just considering the people who will honestly weigh things up, the conspiracy theorists and "hate crimes are fakers" crowd are going to have a field day.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

This is denying that racism is a separate issue at all.

I think the broader issue is with social marginalization as a whole, which does encompass race based disparities. From the Wikipedia entry:

Social exclusion is the process in which individuals are blocked from (or denied full access to) various rights, opportunities and resources that are normally available to members of a different group, and which are fundamental to social integration and observance of human rights within that particular group[3] (e.g., housing, employment, healthcare, civic engagement, democratic participation, and due process).

Alienation or disenfranchisement resulting from social exclusion can be connected to a person's social class, race, skin color, religious affiliation, ethnic origin, educational status, childhood relationships,[4] living standards, and or political opinions, and appearance. Such exclusionary forms of discrimination may also apply to people with a disability, minorities, LGBTQ+ people, drug users,[5] institutional care leavers,[6] the elderly and the young. Anyone who appears to deviate in any way from perceived norms of a population may thereby become subject to coarse or subtle forms of social exclusion.

The outcome of social exclusion is that affected individuals or communities are prevented from participating fully in the economic, social, and political life of the society in which they live.[7] This may result in resistance in the form of demonstrations, protests or lobbying from the excluded people.[8]

I really think addressing issues such as systemic poverty, disparities between educational opportunities, etc. needs to be the issue. While certain races are impacted more by some of these issues, I don't think one can call them exclusively race-based. I also think that by addressing some of these issues, we can in turn impact some of the racial biases and stereotypes that presently exist and work towards reducing racism.

[JPhillips]

That all depends on systems without racism. There's lots we can do, but part of the reason we don't is because of racism. You can't ignore the role of racism in some of these disparities and you can't fix the disparities without coming to terms with racism.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

This is (still) false. The narrative that BLM and the media are pushing are that black people are being killed and brutalized by the police at a disproportionate rate, and a single study focusing entirely on shootings from 2015-2020 certainly doesn't disprove that. How many times was George Floyd shot?

Multiple* studies actually, both experimental and data-based. But don't let that cloud the narrative.

*The James et al 2014 Washington State study, the Correll et al 2014 Colorado/California State study, the 2016 Miller et al University of Maryland study, the 2016 Centre for Policing Equity study, the 2017 Fryer Harvard study, and the Johnson et al 2019 Michigan State study.