WW: Scooby Doo and the Horrible Halloween Party of Doom! Game over - Monsters win!! - Page 29

The Jackal · 10-30-2009, 11:44 AM

To be fair, I didn't bring you up as a candidate, I agreed with KWhit that you were suspicious and thrust you into the argument. As I've said, perhaps NTN was the better way to go, but if you're a wolf.. I don't there's much of an argument against me at all..

The Jackal · 10-30-2009, 11:44 AM

*don't think there's

The Jackal · 10-30-2009, 11:45 AM

If you are not a wolf, the last two wolves have done a fairly good job. One of them certainly has, at least, but we'll be able to go in depth on Monday to look at the candidates.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

so is nightfall going to be honored?

If we have everyone vote for it, sure.

JAG · 10-30-2009, 12:26 PM

I was pointing out, you could've voted for CW to tie him with ntn if CW was the brutal...if a wolf was going down, you may as well have voted off one that could've taken out a roled villager without threat of the BG protecting them. Of course voting for a villager there is even better, maybe the move against me then gets momentum and ntn survives another day.

But that's all ancillary. The point is, the compelling argument for me here is that you and CW did not want to even consider other candidates. I was the most obvious villager option to target. That CR and lerriuqs were willing to do so while you two wanted to get the game over with immediately allows me to deduce you two must be the final wolves. In the end it doesn't really matter if we hit the brutal or not, because even with that it would be 2-1-1 or 3-2, and even in the first case, with EF's vote, we have enough votes to overcome the wolves + cultist (not to mention the cultist should want to vote with us since they count as a villager and win as a villager at this point).

Thinking about that last point, when we look back at this, Martin will have ended up making a great move. Either you guys vote me off and he wins by getting converted or he sticks around, we vote off the last two wolves, and he wins by being a villager. Even if in the end he did this because he didn't care, it ended up being the right play for him because he basically can't lose now.

JAG · 10-30-2009, 12:32 PM

Well, not technically true. He loses if the wolves convert him and we lynch him off. As the voting has gone today, his odds look excellent though.

JAG · 10-30-2009, 12:39 PM

At least I feel like I solved the mystery. Scooby would be proud, even if he voted for me.

MartinD · 10-30-2009, 01:01 PM

My earlier post regarding my agreement with any nightfall votes still stands, for what it's worth - it does appear that there may be at least some debate at this point, though.

Lathum · 10-30-2009, 01:51 PM

sp is Jag the only nightfall we are waiting for?

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

sp is Jag the only nightfall we are waiting for?

I haven't voted nightfall either.

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 02:18 PM

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

Jag is the wrong pick IMO. Can't really back it up with anything else though. It's just a feeling based on the way the past two days have gone.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 05:44 PM

My daughter's school carnival is tonight at 8:30 PM EST, so I won't be here at deadline. If you guys all vote Nightfall before 8 PM EST, might be able to squeeze in the results at that point.

JAG · 10-30-2009, 06:32 PM

VOTE NIGHTFALL

No reason not to I guess.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 07:05 PM

Sorry guys. I saw that vote too late. We're off to the carnival, so it won't be until late.

JAG · 10-30-2009, 08:20 PM

Deadline is past. Good game all. Thanks for the fun Schmidty. One of these days I'll beat you when you're a wolf Jackal. I think you're underrated in that role.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Deadline is past. Good game all. Thanks for the fun Schmidty. One of these days I'll beat you when you're a wolf Jackal. I think you're underrated in that role.

If that's the case it's official... I suck at this game...

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 08:48 PM

dola sorry Schmidty, meant to say stink, that one slipped past.

The Jackal · 10-30-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Deadline is past. Good game all. Thanks for the fun Schmidty. One of these days I'll beat you when you're a wolf Jackal. I think you're underrated in that role.

I'm not a wolf.. I hope you're playing around. I think I've played a damn good vanilla game, even if you are a villager. Was a bad call going after you, I suppose, but I'm not upset with play this game.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 09:54 PM

There is absolutely no question this time. Everyone agrees that JAG is not what he seems. He is definitely a fiend.

The police grab the Ghost, who's body language is totally resigned, cuff him, and tear off his mask.

A moment of triumph immediately becomes a moment of agonizing deapair, as you realize that the Ghost was none other than your friend JAG!!!

JAG was a regular Party-goer!!!

The Jackal · 10-30-2009, 10:01 PM

Well that sucks

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:03 PM

Lousy result.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:03 PM

Forlorn and beaten. Those are the only feelings you have right now. Unfortunately, Mr. Price doesn't let you rest even a moment.

"Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. It's Halloween, and this partyisn't over, nor is this mystery. Please join me at the pumpkin carving table."

No one feels like carving pumpkins right now, but what are you supposed to do? You all set in on your pumpkins, fully expecting that one of you will soon be missing.

A half an hour passes, and you are all finished with your pumpkins. Everyone is still here!!!

Maybe things are abou to change for the better!!!

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:05 PM

Game over?

If Not...

VOTE MARTIND
VOTE NIGHTFALL

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:08 PM

Okay so if there were still two wolves and EagleFan doesn't count against the ratio...How is this game still going? Does that mean we're down to one wolf plus MartinD?

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:10 PM

Game is still going.

Lathum · 10-30-2009, 10:12 PM

Vote MartinD
Vote Nightfall

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Okay so if there were still two wolves and EagleFan doesn't count against the ratio...How is this game still going? Does that mean we're down to one wolf plus MartinD?

Read the roles closely please.

If you have a question, please ask me. I'll be happy to clear anything up.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:16 PM

The only thing I see that could keep this going is if they didn't submit a night order. Unless I am missing something.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

The only thing I see that could keep this going is if they didn't submit a night order. Unless I am missing something.

Nope.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:18 PM

dola: if that is the case than we can't lynch Martin or we lose.

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Read the roles closely please.

If you have a question, please ask me. I'll be happy to clear anything up.

Does that mean that Igor doesn't count as a monster in the ratio? It doesn't actually say he counts as a monster if he is kidnapped.

If it's not that, I've missed something entirely...

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: if that is the case than we can't lynch Martin or we lose.

That's what I'm thinking too...

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Does that mean that Igor doesn't count as a monster in the ratio? It doesn't actually say he counts as a monster if he is kidnapped.

If it's not that, I've missed something entirely...

But it says unless he is kidnapped. To me that would mean that he counts when he is converted.

Schmidty, can we get a clarification on that?

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:31 PM

There are three options:

1 - Igor counts as villager even after converted.

2 - No night order sent by mistake (they pulled a Schmidty

sorry, couldn't resist).

3 - Wolves are toying with us by purposely not submitting a night order.

If it's any of those we lose since I have voted MartinD. I apologize to all for that if that is the case.

If it ends up being option 3 I will have lost any respect for the remaining wolves.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:31 PM

Unless I am missing a 4th option somewhere.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:32 PM

In this game, "kidnapped" = "night killed" in a normal game.

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

There are three options:

1 - Igor counts as villager even after converted.

2 - No night order sent by mistake (they pulled a Schmidty

sorry, couldn't resist).

3 - Wolves are toying with us by purposely not submitting a night order.

If it's any of those we lose since I have voted MartinD. I apologize to all for that if that is the case.

If it ends up being option 3 I will have lost any respect for the remaining wolves.

Agreed. If it's any of this, the game was over when you voted. If it is the case, can you just end if for us Schmidty?

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

In this game, "kidnapped" = "night killed" in a normal game.

We know that. That doesn't clarify anything...

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

We know that. That doesn't clarify anything...

I think I see what that means. It means that if the kidnapped Martin he would not have been converted but night killed and become a wolf in that act.

All this time we were interpreting that as converted.

Schmidty · 10-30-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

There are three options:

1 - Igor counts as villager even after converted.

2 - No night order sent by mistake (they pulled a Schmidty

sorry, couldn't resist).

3 - Wolves are toying with us by purposely not submitting a night order.

If it's any of those we lose since I have voted MartinD. I apologize to all for that if that is the case.

If it ends up being option 3 I will have lost any respect for the remaining wolves.

I really don't understand how his role is confusing, but if Igor is kidnapped, he is "converted". As per the rules, he will know the Monsters and they will know him; however, he may not communicate with them, nor does he count as a Monster as far as win conditions (ratio). He wins if they win.

The only thing that I can think of that's confusing is that he loses his "villager" status as well if kidnapped.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:43 PM

Here is what is confusing:

"but won't count as one with regard to win conditions. Unless he is kidnapped, he counts as a normal Party-goer"

What does he count as when he is converted/kidnapped?

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I really don't understand how his role is confusing, but if Igor is kidnapped, he is "converted". As per the rules, he will know the Monsters and they will know him; however, he may not communicate with them, nor does he count as a Monster as far as win conditions (ratio). He wins if they win.

The only thing that I can think of that's confusing is that he loses his "villager" status as well if kidnapped.

Ok. But as soon as EagleFan voted MartinD, this game was over, Schmidty.

It's 3-2 with Martin D and EF not counting. We don't have enough votes to change the vote the someone else. The game's over now.

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 10:47 PM

For the record, I believe the last two wolves are CW and CR...

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 10:51 PM

Of the remaining players that would be my guess, without looking back over the voting history.

If lerriuqs is a wolf I tip my hat to you as you never were someone that I gave a second look at the entire game.

Lathum · 10-30-2009, 10:54 PM

wait.

Unvote MartinD
Unvote Nightfall

Lathum · 10-30-2009, 10:57 PM

OK, I need some dialouge here

Lathum · 10-30-2009, 10:58 PM

7 left.

2 wolves

3 villagers

1 Martin

1 EF

Martin and EF don't count as anything

right?

lerriuqs · 10-30-2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

7 left.

2 wolves

3 villagers

1 Martin

1 EF

Martin and EF don't count as anything

right?

That's my understanding and EF has voted Martin so that vote cannot be changed.

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 11:03 PM

I reacted too quickly and without thinking (not a surprise there).

EagleFan · 10-30-2009, 11:04 PM

My guess is CW is the brutal of those two (hence he kept getting the votes).

10-30-2009, 05:44 PM	#1412
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	My daughter's school carnival is tonight at 8:30 PM EST, so I won't be here at deadline. If you guys all vote Nightfall before 8 PM EST, might be able to squeeze in the results at that point. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 07:05 PM	#1414
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Sorry guys. I saw that vote too late. We're off to the carnival, so it won't be until late. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 09:54 PM	#1419
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	There is absolutely no question this time. Everyone agrees that JAG is not what he seems. He is definitely a fiend. The police grab the Ghost, who's body language is totally resigned, cuff him, and tear off his mask. A moment of triumph immediately becomes a moment of agonizing deapair, as you realize that the Ghost was none other than your friend JAG!!! JAG was a regular Party-goer!!! __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 10:03 PM	#1422
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Forlorn and beaten. Those are the only feelings you have right now. Unfortunately, Mr. Price doesn't let you rest even a moment. "Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. It's Halloween, and this partyisn't over, nor is this mystery. Please join me at the pumpkin carving table." No one feels like carving pumpkins right now, but what are you supposed to do? You all set in on your pumpkins, fully expecting that one of you will soon be missing. A half an hour passes, and you are all finished with your pumpkins. Everyone is still here!!! Maybe things are abou to change for the better!!! __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 10:10 PM	#1425
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Game is still going. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 11:44 AM	#1401
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	To be fair, I didn't bring you up as a candidate, I agreed with KWhit that you were suspicious and thrust you into the argument. As I've said, perhaps NTN was the better way to go, but if you're a wolf.. I don't there's much of an argument against me at all..

10-30-2009, 11:44 AM	#1402
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	*don't think there's

10-30-2009, 11:45 AM	#1403
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	If you are not a wolf, the last two wolves have done a fairly good job. One of them certainly has, at least, but we'll be able to go in depth on Monday to look at the candidates.

10-30-2009, 12:26 PM	#1405
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I was pointing out, you could've voted for CW to tie him with ntn if CW was the brutal...if a wolf was going down, you may as well have voted off one that could've taken out a roled villager without threat of the BG protecting them. Of course voting for a villager there is even better, maybe the move against me then gets momentum and ntn survives another day. But that's all ancillary. The point is, the compelling argument for me here is that you and CW did not want to even consider other candidates. I was the most obvious villager option to target. That CR and lerriuqs were willing to do so while you two wanted to get the game over with immediately allows me to deduce you two must be the final wolves. In the end it doesn't really matter if we hit the brutal or not, because even with that it would be 2-1-1 or 3-2, and even in the first case, with EF's vote, we have enough votes to overcome the wolves + cultist (not to mention the cultist should want to vote with us since they count as a villager and win as a villager at this point). Thinking about that last point, when we look back at this, Martin will have ended up making a great move. Either you guys vote me off and he wins by getting converted or he sticks around, we vote off the last two wolves, and he wins by being a villager. Even if in the end he did this because he didn't care, it ended up being the right play for him because he basically can't lose now.

10-30-2009, 12:32 PM	#1406
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Well, not technically true. He loses if the wolves convert him and we lynch him off. As the voting has gone today, his odds look excellent though.

10-30-2009, 12:39 PM	#1407
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	At least I feel like I solved the mystery. Scooby would be proud, even if he voted for me.

10-30-2009, 01:01 PM	#1408
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	My earlier post regarding my agreement with any nightfall votes still stands, for what it's worth - it does appear that there may be at least some debate at this point, though.

10-30-2009, 01:51 PM	#1409
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	sp is Jag the only nightfall we are waiting for?

10-30-2009, 02:18 PM	#1411
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	VOTE COFFEE WARLORD Jag is the wrong pick IMO. Can't really back it up with anything else though. It's just a feeling based on the way the past two days have gone.

10-30-2009, 06:32 PM	#1413
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	VOTE NIGHTFALL No reason not to I guess.

10-30-2009, 08:20 PM	#1415
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Deadline is past. Good game all. Thanks for the fun Schmidty. One of these days I'll beat you when you're a wolf Jackal. I think you're underrated in that role.

10-30-2009, 08:48 PM	#1417
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola sorry Schmidty, meant to say stink, that one slipped past.

10-30-2009, 10:01 PM	#1420
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Well that sucks

10-30-2009, 10:03 PM	#1421
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Lousy result.

10-30-2009, 10:05 PM	#1423
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Game over? If Not... VOTE MARTIND VOTE NIGHTFALL

10-30-2009, 10:08 PM	#1424
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Okay so if there were still two wolves and EagleFan doesn't count against the ratio...How is this game still going? Does that mean we're down to one wolf plus MartinD?

10-30-2009, 10:12 PM	#1426
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote MartinD Vote Nightfall

10-30-2009, 10:16 PM	#1428
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	The only thing I see that could keep this going is if they didn't submit a night order. Unless I am missing something.

10-30-2009, 10:18 PM	#1430
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: if that is the case than we can't lynch Martin or we lose.

10-30-2009, 10:31 PM	#1434
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	There are three options: 1 - Igor counts as villager even after converted. 2 - No night order sent by mistake (they pulled a Schmidty sorry, couldn't resist). 3 - Wolves are toying with us by purposely not submitting a night order. If it's any of those we lose since I have voted MartinD. I apologize to all for that if that is the case. If it ends up being option 3 I will have lost any respect for the remaining wolves.

10-30-2009, 10:31 PM	#1435
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Unless I am missing a 4th option somewhere.

10-30-2009, 10:32 PM	#1436
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	In this game, "kidnapped" = "night killed" in a normal game. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2009, 10:43 PM	#1441
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Here is what is confusing: "but won't count as one with regard to win conditions. Unless he is kidnapped, he counts as a normal Party-goer" What does he count as when he is converted/kidnapped?

10-30-2009, 10:47 PM	#1443
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	For the record, I believe the last two wolves are CW and CR...

10-30-2009, 10:51 PM	#1444
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Of the remaining players that would be my guess, without looking back over the voting history. If lerriuqs is a wolf I tip my hat to you as you never were someone that I gave a second look at the entire game.

10-30-2009, 10:54 PM	#1445
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	wait. Unvote MartinD Unvote Nightfall

10-30-2009, 10:57 PM	#1446
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, I need some dialouge here

10-30-2009, 10:58 PM	#1447
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	7 left. 2 wolves 3 villagers 1 Martin 1 EF Martin and EF don't count as anything right?

10-30-2009, 11:03 PM	#1449
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I reacted too quickly and without thinking (not a surprise there).

10-30-2009, 11:04 PM	#1450
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	My guess is CW is the brutal of those two (hence he kept getting the votes).