WW Amazing Race - Game Over (Moles Win & Team Reebok Wins)

[Autumn]

I agree, basically, Darth. I think the wolves had a bum day and the worst thing we can do is talk ourselves out of capitalizing on it. I was watching the village do this in the Vegas game - they had the wolves all figured out on Day 3 and then proceeded to question themselves right out of it.

If Jackal comes up villager then we can decide if that was just bum luck or whatever, but we should have another scan out of the deal by then.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't think the Jackal/Lathum reveal and the mau "save himself seer reveal" are necessarily related at all. They happened at different times and for apparently different reasons. I do think Lathum's scenario is most likely true.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[Lathum]

lol, so of course I go for lunch and the thread is dead.

[Autumn]

We were waiting for you, Lathum.

[Lathum]

Well here I am, enjoying my last meal

[The Jackal]

I left, that's why the thread died, no convincing people of my innocence

I'm chuckling at the people that are "convinced I'm a wolf". I understand much moreso the people that are playing the odds, and I accept my fate and that this is best lynch from everyone else's standpoint but mine.

[Lathum]

If Jackal is a villager it will rank up there with some of my all time biggest WW surprises.

[The Jackal]

I can go back and look at this myself later - but who were the leading candidates when mau took off? Besides CR it was JAG, right? And then we started a mini-run on NTN. I'd love to see a vote flow with the switches. If mau is the seer it looks bad for JAG and NTN. Maybe not bad, but suspicious. If mau is a wolf, well, it was a terrific day 1, wasn't it.

[The Jackal]

I'm going to find clap and and have him help me find a lolcat that properly identifies this situation

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I left, that's why the thread died, no convincing people of my innocence

I'm chuckling at the people that are "convinced I'm a wolf". I understand much moreso the people that are playing the odds, and I accept my fate and that this is best lynch from everyone else's standpoint but mine.

I'm not convinced that you are, but voting you is the best lead we have for day two. And I'm hoping your a wolf because if you aren't we are about to sacrifice the body guard to lynch a villager.

[The Jackal]

I think the wolves would have assumed Lathum was the BG (after the missed NK) even if he didn't reveal. If the BG wasn't protecting mau they'd certainly protect themselves. I do wish he'd talked to me before revealing, but I don't think there's much I could have said to deter him from doing it.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by mckerney

I'm not convinced that you are, but voting you is the best lead we have for day two. And I'm hoping your a wolf because if you aren't we are about to sacrifice the body guard to lynch a villager.

Or we are being played by the wolves, which I really doubt is the case here.

[GoldenEagle]

I am going to take out of here and won't be back until well after the deadline. I am going to live my vote on Danny.

[bhlloy]

Seems like we are pretty much set on this then

Vote Jackal

[JAG]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

It only makes sense if Mauboy is the cunning. But it is a big risk on the part of the wolves. In fact, I can't see anyway that it computes. If mauboy is still around on say, day 4, we are going to know he is full of crap and lynch him.

Ok, I'm trying to catch up best I can, but I don't understand this cunning angle that keeps coming up. The draw of the cunning is that he scans like a villager. If Mau pulled a fake reveal, the real seer doesn't need to waste a scan on the wolf doing the fake reveal because the real seer already knows the faker is a wolf. So why would it matter if Mau is cunning or not?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm going to find clap and and have him help me find a lolcat that properly identifies this situation

You should have just come out and revealed as some far programmer.

[Autumn]

Without digging back to answer my own question, one thing that came to me while I was shoveling snow is: Lathum, were you told you made a block, or did you assume so due to a no kill night?

[cougarfreak]

I apologize, time is short for me today, I agree with all the signs pointing the jackal, though I'm still a bit unsure of myself in these games. One of these days, will there be a simple werewolf game, or are they all this complicated? For now I'm going to:

vote Jackal

I hope I can check back in, but my wife is having some damn handbag party at the house tonight. I'm going out to buy my first android phone, so maybe I can check back in from it?

[Darth Vilus]

A handbag party? What the hell is a handbag party?

[Autumn]

They'll have a party for anything. My wife's unpacking the order from her Pampered Chef order as I type.

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

A handbag party? What the hell is a handbag party?

Where she sells some handbag stuff. Beats me, I'm not hanging around for it...

[Darth Vilus]

wow, so exciting. Not my type of thing lol

[Autumn]

It may mean Chief and Hoops will be late in their leg tonight, hitting up the handbag party.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Without digging back to answer my own question, one thing that came to me while I was shoveling snow is: Lathum, were you told you made a block, or did you assume so due to a no kill night?

I wasn't told anything but see nothing in the rules that would prevent a night kill short of the wolves not sending an order in

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

It may mean Chief and Hoops will be late in their leg tonight, hitting up the handbag party.

We'll be hosting a handbag party at the finish line for when everyone else shows up.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I wasn't told anything but see nothing in the rules that would prevent a night kill short of the wolves not sending an order in

Oh well that's a horse of a different color then. We now have the possibility that they simply messed up and didn't send in a night kill, or didn't send one in on purpose. Or i would say sent one in on someone who was lynched, but that seems unlikely in this case ;-)

In that case I'm more willing to move off of Jackal than I was. While this is a big game with presumably a goodly sized set of wolves, we certainly have seen blunders like that before (not sending in a kill).

[Autumn]

EagleFan: Do we know if the bodyguard would be notified of a block?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Autumn

EagleFan: Do we know if the bodyguard would be notified of a block?

Nope, we don't know...

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Nope, we don't know...

Thanks for nothing ;-)

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Oh well that's a horse of a different color then. We now have the possibility that they simply messed up and didn't send in a night kill, or didn't send one in on purpose. Or i would say sent one in on someone who was lynched, but that seems unlikely in this case ;-)

In that case I'm more willing to move off of Jackal than I was. While this is a big game with presumably a goodly sized set of wolves, we certainly have seen blunders like that before (not sending in a kill).

This is certainly possible but I don't think so. No reason to back that up, just my opinion

[The Jackal]

Pretty sure exactly what happened is the wolves figured Mau would be scanned, and targeted a respected player instead, and with a stroke of luck hit on the BG who had spilled his identity to his partner, thereby damning his partner. I'm just posting this now so I can quote it later.

[The Jackal]

(scanned = blocked, of course, now I can't quote it because it won't make sense, crap)

[The Jackal]

The thing is, my death won't really clear up anything about mau. Either he's the seer and the wolves went after a respected player thinking he'd be blocked, or he isn't the seer and they went after a respected player because they aren't going to kill their own wolf fake seer. Doesn't really help, unfortunately.

[The Jackal]

Suppose I could save these kinds of posts for after I'm dead, when you know I'm telling the truth.

[Autumn]

Well, I'm not sure it's worth trying to move any votes at this point. But my certainty about Lathum's theory is a lot less knowing that there wasn't necessarily a block. A lot of crazy things can happen in a Werewolf game. I'm actually kind of surprised Lathum revealed without necessarily knowing there was a block. I've never actually been a bodyguard though, so I'm not sure how routine that is.

[EagleFan]

Have received orders from 8 of the 10 teams. A little over an hour before the deadline.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, I'm not sure it's worth trying to move any votes at this point. But my certainty about Lathum's theory is a lot less knowing that there wasn't necessarily a block. A lot of crazy things can happen in a Werewolf game. I'm actually kind of surprised Lathum revealed without necessarily knowing there was a block. I've never actually been a bodyguard though, so I'm not sure how routine that is.

never?

I revealed because the odds of it being something else are slim and I am a dead man tonihgt. I, like everyone else, assumed I would take any info with me.

[Zinto]

I guess a new candidate has not appeared so I will fall in-line and vote for Jackal.

Vote Jackal

[Zinto]

Also since there may not have been a block there could be a bigger wolf ploy going on out there. Mau could claimed seer to draw votes off him, then the wolves could not sent in a night-kill to make it seem like the BG blocked him. While I do not believe this happened it is a possibility.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Lathum

never?

I revealed because the odds of it being something else are slim and I am a dead man tonihgt. I, like everyone else, assumed I would take any info with me.

You've never played in a game where the bodyguard is told about blocks?? Or never been in one where they aren't? I'm not sure what you mean.

[mauchow]

vote jackal

if jackal is a villager we'll have gotten no where today. hopefully i can live another night.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm sorry, this was probably already addessed before but why did mauboy scan Chief Rum instead of his partner?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

wow, so exciting. Not my type of thing lol

Yeah, you prefer shoes

[Darth Vilus]

yep, the strappy kind

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I'm sorry, this was probably already addessed before but why did mauboy scan Chief Rum instead of his partner?

I told him I wasn't a wolf and he knows my word is good!

[Danny]

Actually, the reasoning he gave is he's never played with me before and I could be cunning anyway, so he still wouldn't trust me.

[Darth Vilus]

Huh, that reasoning kinda sucks

[Danny]

Damn, it's pouring outside. I am sick btw, so don't expect any bowling miracles tonight.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I honestly didn't put that much value in being able to pm him. He's my partner in a race. I guess I am not seeing the Almighty value in must knowing what my teammate is at this time. I've never played with him before so I don't know his tendencies or anything like that. Hell I run into the same problem with anybody I scan with the cunning ability. I'd almost rather my partner not know I was a seer just becaude of that, especially being an inexperienced player, he could feed me all sorts of stuff that the wolves want to say.

Eh, I typed that from my phone, but here you go Autumn. It never really crossed my mind to vote him for the reasons listed above. In the last game I used the speedeez service to contact two players and if it was a back and forth thing, and didn't feel that much of an advantage. I actually wish I didn't have the ability to talk to another person. But at this point it doesn't matter, I'm a known entity.

Also at this point, why do I need to trust my partner in this game? We both want to win the race and we both want to out the moles. If he's a mole then obviously he's still trying to win the race but impersonating a regular contestant. The few people who jumped on my back on ridiculed my decision made me initially feel bad but in the end.. why was it ABSOLUTELY necessary to scan my partner? It wasn't.

I stand by my scan. And I won't scan my partner again tonight.

[Danny]

I have a request. If a second wolf could PM their non wolf partner letting them know, that would be great!