Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45) - Page 19

Alan T · 06-02-2006, 08:41 AM

Your suspect list is similar to what mine has been the last 30 hours or so Saldana. I'm not sure what direction I'm leaning towards right now, I guess it depends what happens in the evening. If I'm still alive during the day time, I will be leaning to one of those three though. I am hoping we have more hard facts during the day time to go on though, right now I'm relying only on instinct and what feels like erratic game play to me.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 09:25 AM

The "no role info on death" is complicating matters here as well. I do not believe that every wolf death up to this point has been an ordinary wolf - it just seems statistically improbable.

Role info/claims:
Cronin - Lawgiver
Hoopsguy - Bodyguard
Blade - ???, saved on Night 2, involved in chat with another person
Saldana - some future tie-breaking ability?
Barkeep - similar to Saldana?
Tyrith - claims someone can vouch for him

Am I missing any here?

Others - Anxiety, Schmidty, AlanT, Lathum, Ardent, Warlord

It is likely that one of these people will not be with us in the morning.

SirFozzie · 06-02-2006, 10:04 AM

to be fair, if we don't get all actions in by 12 noon, they won't be due till 9 AM Monday (if we get them all in earlier, then we canget at least the night complete) with the next lynch at 10 PM EDT Monday. Fair?

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2006, 10:07 AM

Fine by me. I've got a fairly full weekend anyway.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 10:07 AM

I'm fine with whatever Day 4 schedule works for the group.

Alan T · 06-02-2006, 10:10 AM

I'm ok with whatever schedule. I am going to have to leave to go to a different office in a little bit, so will miss most of the afternoon anyways. But I can be back in the early evening if there is need to be.

I'm hoping we at least can have the night actions go off by tonight, so we can have the weekend to talk about stuff.. I am alot more hesitant to talk at night phase, and a long weekend night phase might cause for very low interaction on here.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 10:12 AM

anything works for me, I'll be away all weekend and I am leaving today at 1:00 so I wouldn't be very active today anyway and at this point it is very important that I am active.

Poli · 06-02-2006, 10:45 AM

I leave Chicago Saturday morning.

I have NO clue what to expect next week in South Carolina. I'm told I'll have net access, though.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 10:51 AM

So it kind of sucks to be have a 3 day night cycle, but there you have it.

Saldana: It sounds like our roles are very similar as my votes have quite a bit of potential as well.

I do not take this potential to have something to do with a tie breaker though and I believe cronin does not either. So saldana is now very high in my circle of trust based on what he has said.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 11:34 AM

Is there any reason why last nights actions can't be posted at some point today and then go right into the day phase for monday? That would at least spur on some discussion.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Is there any reason why last nights actions can't be posted at some point today and then go right into the day phase for monday? That would at least spur on some discussion.

I would agree with this. Would much rather have a day phase over the weekend then a night phase.

SirFozzie · 06-02-2006, 11:57 AM

As soon as I get all actions, and we can go from there

SirFozzie · 06-02-2006, 12:04 PM

And what do you know, the one night action I thought I was missing, I'm not.

The night quickly passes.. and apparently the wizard was worried about his lightning tricks becoming passe.. because come morning, BLADE6119 is found roasted by what's generally known by most non-magic users as a "Big-Ass Fireball".. the ground around him scorched and burned black.

Of course, seeing another of the rag-tag pack you have formed slain by the wizard is upsetting, but one of you seems to be more affected then the others. Will you all go the way Blade did, and soon?

Poli · 06-02-2006, 12:06 PM

So, what's our schedule going to be today then?

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2006, 12:07 PM

Well shit.

I was about to make a case AGAINST Blade once the day phase hit, too. I apparently suck.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 12:08 PM

Ok hoops time to come out with who you guarded two nights ago. Blade's death is not a good thing vis a vie your innocence in my mind.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Well shit.

I was about to make a case AGAINST Blade once the day phase hit, too. I apparently suck.

Yeah, that does stink. So CW any reason we should believe you're an innocent? You've been awfully quiet, all things considered.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:11 PM

I told you guys I was positive about blade

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah, that does stink. So CW any reason we should believe you're an innocent? You've been awfully quiet, all things considered.

Probably because I've been part of exactly one vote and had absolutely nothing to add for or against that vote's primary target (path)?

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:13 PM

"but one of you seems to be more affected then the others"

I'll be interested to see if there is something that comes out of this. I'm glad that there was not a double-kill with Blade, as I thought that might be forthcoming. With that idea (Blade as one of two Lovers) running through my head it put me in a tough spot last night on who to guard.

Again, I don't want to reveal the most recent guard action since it would leave the person exposed for Night 4. But here is the update on my actions, excluding Night 3:
Night 1: Cronin
Night 2: Saldana

I left Saldana out there as bait, to some extent on Night 2. I posted him in my Trust List when I wasn't sure if he belonged there or not, hoping that would factor in him being more of a target (I had not yet revealed at that point that I was the bodyguard).

I'm also not sure why they would target Blade two nights in a row. He has voted for me without any deviation in his intent. He was similarly fixated on voting for me in the Thing game and never moved his vote; he rarely considered ideas in the game that didn't involve me as a bad guy. I feel like they sacrificed a good player who was not going to be a threat to them until after I'm dead.

Of course, based on my work up to this point I'm not much of a threat either

Poli · 06-02-2006, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Probably because I've been part of exactly one vote and had absolutely nothing to add for or against that vote's primary target (path)?

Details, details.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:18 PM

VOTE ANXIETY

I would also welcome a vote on Tyrith, folks. This is the first time I've put a vote on somebody two days in a row.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 12:19 PM

I took the one more effected then the others, after a couple of readings, to mean Blade was more effected considering he was burnt to a crisp. Hoops why did you protect saldana? I just can't find the logic in that.

Barkeep49 · 06-02-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

VOTE ANXIETY

I would also welcome a vote on Tyrith, folks. This is the first time I've put a vote on somebody two days in a row.

Well considering we're only in D4 that doesn't say a whole lot really

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:20 PM

Information that I would like to have:

Saldana vs Barkeep - Barkeep appears ready to trust Saldana. Does the reverse hold true? Saldana gave his PM information before Barkeep. Saldana indicated his secondary role before Barkeep. Is there something that Barkeep can add in regards to their roles that will validate him for Saldana (who may not be around before 10PM tonight but should absolutely be here over a weekend).

Anxiety vs Lathum - both of those guys came out yesterday and said that they had reasons for believing both Blade and I were good. Anxiety seems to be changing his story a little bit on this, saying I now appear "wolfish". What are the opinions of these two towards each other?

Blade's "chat" claim - can anyone else come forward to verify that there is a role that allows for a wolf to be involved with PMs? Or is this something that Blade made up yesterday as a cover story to keep some other fact from emerging (not in an anti-wolf fashion, but to avoid posting info that helped the wizards)?

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:22 PM

I think the reason they went after Blade twice in a row was they figured he was the one player they could count on NOT being protected last night. I think any other target they faced a possible bodyguard block.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:23 PM

Barkeep, Post #923

Quote:

Hoops why did you protect saldana? I just can't find the logic in that.

I answered this in Post #920

Quote:

I left Saldana out there as bait, to some extent on Night 2. I posted him in my Trust List when I wasn't sure if he belonged there or not, hoping that would factor in him being more of a target (I had not yet revealed at that point that I was the bodyguard).

To expand on that, I hoped that the wolves would be more likely to target someone appearing on trust lists than someone who was at the bottom of trust lists. Saldana had hinted he had a role tied to Cronin at that point (you had not yet done so) so I hoped that the fact that I trusted him - and that others might as well - would make him an appealing target on that night.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:26 PM

Cronin, should I assume that you did not get any information about changes in voting/ties/whatever?

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, Post #923

I answered this in Post #920

To expand on that, I hoped that the wolves would be more likely to target someone appearing on trust lists than someone who was at the bottom of trust lists. Saldana had hinted he had a role tied to Cronin at that point (you had not yet done so) so I hoped that the fact that I trusted him - and that others might as well - would make him an appealing target on that night.

So the wizzes have targeted

Qwikshot
Blade
Blade

Hoopsguy, I waver back and forth between trusting you and worrying about you. Can you say a little bit about your "character" as described by Foz? I may potentially have some information that would help us, but I want to know for sure that you are on our side.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, should I assume that you did not get any information about changes in voting/ties/whatever?

As of now, it's situation normal.

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2006, 12:29 PM

Vote hoops

For now.

There's too many oddities in the situation. Why Saldana, of all people? The argument he presented is somewhat weak, though I can't poke many holes in it. The bodyguard could have been killed early, which would explain why no one challenged Hoops. I think Blade was not bodyguarded, but was privvy to some other event that happened during a successful conversion.

To play my own devils advocate, the wizard COULD have killed Blade to make us go after hoops just like I'm doing. But it's where I'm going for right now.
Convince me otherwise.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Vote hoops

For now.

There's too many oddities in the situation. Why Saldana, of all people? The argument he presented is somewhat weak, though I can't poke many holes in it. The bodyguard could have been killed early, which would explain why no one challenged Hoops. I think Blade was not bodyguarded, but was privvy to some other event that happened during a successful conversion.

To play my own devils advocate, the wizard COULD have killed Blade to make us go after hoops just like I'm doing. But it's where I'm going for right now.
Convince me otherwise.

How does killing blade set up hoops, exactly?

Blade6119 · 06-02-2006, 12:31 PM

Well, its been fun guys...i hope you guys do us wolves proud

Coffee Warlord · 06-02-2006, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

How does killing blade set up hoops, exactly?

Blade being the one who was pushing at hoops most of the day yesterday.

The classic "kill them and shut them up" scenario.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:33 PM

Sure, here is a description that somewhat closely resembles my role:

I'm new to this pack. The last Pack Alpha that I was responsible for was headstrong, rarely listened to my words of caution, and found himself as a trophy for a knight he attacked directly (he was offed by the knight's squire ). I'm looking for a new Alpha to protect.

My role doesn't appear to let me know who an attacker is, but if the person I protect is targeted then I will drive off his foes. I will know that my person was attacked.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Blade being the one who was pushing at hoops most of the day yesterday.

The classic "kill them and shut them up" scenario.

Ok. Not sure I buy that, but I see where you're coming from at least.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:36 PM

I think they went for blade acting under the assumption he can't be protected 2 nights in a row.

I still trust hoops, protecting Saldana on day 2 may be random but usually the first few days are unless there is a role reveal.

The question I have is if hoops didn't protect blade on night 2 then how did he survive an attack? Any info on this would be helpfull.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Coffee, for the wolves to successfully use the "assume the role" strategy they need to know the roles of the players who are dead. I don't know if they do or not, but there is nothing in the game that I've seen that leads me to believe this is the case.

I could see a wolf making this play blindly as we get later into the game. But there were still 13 of the initial 16 people involved in the game when I came out with saying I was the bodyguard.

There isn't a whole heck of a lot more I can say to try and convince you that I really am playing the role of the bodyguard. I came out with this at the start of Day 3 instead of at the end of Night 2 in order to provide a full day for people to refute this role or to try and double-cross the wolves with a fake "No, I'm the bodyguard!" claim that would net us a 1:1 scenario.

In terms of who to guard each night, I'm willing to listen to advice posted on the board if you (or anyone else) have strong feelings on the matter that you don't mind the wizards reading about. But I won't promise to follow it.

Blade6119 · 06-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Well shit.

I was about to make a case AGAINST Blade once the day phase hit, too. I apparently suck.

Im glad i inspired your trust CW

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Sure, here is a description that somewhat closely resembles my role:

I'm new to this pack. The last Pack Alpha that I was responsible for was headstrong, rarely listened to my words of caution, and found himself as a trophy for a knight he attacked directly (he was offed by the knight's squire ). I'm looking for a new Alpha to protect.

My role doesn't appear to let me know who an attacker is, but if the person I protect is targeted then I will drive off his foes. I will know that my person was attacked.

Hoops, have you been sucsesssful yet?

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:40 PM

Lathum, I have no information on Blade's Night 2 adventures. Everything I have done in my role of the bodyguard, with the exception of the Night 3 protect, has already been posted. I have not received a single PM as of yet on results from night actions.

I even sent a follow-up PM yesterday morning to SirFozzie to make sure that he hadn't forgotten to send me something related to Night 2 after seeing there was no one dead and having him laugh about submitted events earlier. Nothing. I really wish I had something to provide here.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:41 PM

Ok, well, time to lay my cards on the table.

There is a second component to my role - I have the ability to "sniff out" the wizard's henchmen. I have "sniffed" the following players: hoopsguy, blade, barkeep, and coffee warlord. I have not found any henchmen. I got an odd message when I sniffed out hoopsguy, which does not match his description, so it's possible that he is the Wizard. Hoopsguy is either the wizard or a wolf, NOT a henchman, so I don't think we should be voting for him - if he is the wizard, there is some other way to kill him which I am not aware of, but I assume one of you is. Barkeep and Coffee are wolves.

I don't know if I'm coming forward too soon or not. I apologize for all the smoke I have been blowing up your butts.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:41 PM

Lathum, hopefully Post #941 provides the long answer about my "success".
The short answer is "no" - I have yet to encounter the wizard or his henchmen.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:42 PM

Blade = Blessed?

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:42 PM

Cronin, on what days did you "sniff" these players?

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:43 PM

Night
0 - hoopsguy
1 - Blade
2 - Barkeep
3 - Coffee

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, well, time to lay my cards on the table.

There is a second component to my role - I have the ability to "sniff out" the wizard's henchmen. I have "sniffed" the following players: hoopsguy, blade, barkeep, and coffee warlord. I have not found any henchmen. I got an odd message when I sniffed out hoopsguy, which does not match his description, so it's possible that he is the Wizard. Hoopsguy is either the wizard or a wolf, NOT a henchman, so I don't think we should be voting for him - if he is the wizard, there is some other way to kill him which I am not aware of, but I assume one of you is. Barkeep and Coffee are wolves.

I don't know if I'm coming forward too soon or not. I apologize for all the smoke I have been blowing up your butts.

Cronin, it is VERY IMPORTANT to know why and how the message you got about hoops was different.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 12:45 PM

damn, I have to go now. It is such a pivotal time, I am going to try and get access to the net later but if noy I won't be back untill sunday.

hoopsguy · 06-02-2006, 12:46 PM

Also, you expected my role to start with "G" - can you give me an idea what you thought my role should be? Finally, how does this fit into the "Lawgiver" role? Can you give a little better accounting for the entirety of your role if the cards are now on the table?

I think that the timing on this announcement works fine for me - it helps develop a much better circle of trust for today and after an 0-3 start we are getting to the point where we need to be successful.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Cronin, it is VERY IMPORTANT to know why and how the message you got about hoops was different.

I agree.

The message I got regarding hoops said (paraphrasing) that he did not smell of luck. The message I got on the other fellows said (paraphrasing) that they smelled like ordinary wolves.

My role description talks about the wizard's henchmen being so enchanted that fate itself is altered around them - and that this is what I sense.

It was clear to me, though, that hoops is NOT a henchman.

06-02-2006, 10:04 AM	#903
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	to be fair, if we don't get all actions in by 12 noon, they won't be due till 9 AM Monday (if we get them all in earlier, then we canget at least the night complete) with the next lynch at 10 PM EDT Monday. Fair? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-02-2006, 10:45 AM	#908
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I leave Chicago Saturday morning. I have NO clue what to expect next week in South Carolina. I'm told I'll have net access, though. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-02-2006, 11:57 AM	#912
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	As soon as I get all actions, and we can go from there __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-02-2006, 12:04 PM	#913
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	And what do you know, the one night action I thought I was missing, I'm not. The night quickly passes.. and apparently the wizard was worried about his lightning tricks becoming passe.. because come morning, BLADE6119 is found roasted by what's generally known by most non-magic users as a "Big-Ass Fireball".. the ground around him scorched and burned black. Of course, seeing another of the rag-tag pack you have formed slain by the wizard is upsetting, but one of you seems to be more affected then the others. Will you all go the way Blade did, and soon? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 06-02-2006 at 12:13 PM.

06-02-2006, 12:06 PM	#914
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	So, what's our schedule going to be today then? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-02-2006, 08:41 AM	#901
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Your suspect list is similar to what mine has been the last 30 hours or so Saldana. I'm not sure what direction I'm leaning towards right now, I guess it depends what happens in the evening. If I'm still alive during the day time, I will be leaning to one of those three though. I am hoping we have more hard facts during the day time to go on though, right now I'm relying only on instinct and what feels like erratic game play to me.

06-02-2006, 09:25 AM	#902
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	The "no role info on death" is complicating matters here as well. I do not believe that every wolf death up to this point has been an ordinary wolf - it just seems statistically improbable. Role info/claims: Cronin - Lawgiver Hoopsguy - Bodyguard Blade - ???, saved on Night 2, involved in chat with another person Saldana - some future tie-breaking ability? Barkeep - similar to Saldana? Tyrith - claims someone can vouch for him Am I missing any here? Others - Anxiety, Schmidty, AlanT, Lathum, Ardent, Warlord It is likely that one of these people will not be with us in the morning.

06-02-2006, 10:07 AM	#904
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Fine by me. I've got a fairly full weekend anyway.

06-02-2006, 10:07 AM	#905
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm fine with whatever Day 4 schedule works for the group.

06-02-2006, 10:10 AM	#906
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I'm ok with whatever schedule. I am going to have to leave to go to a different office in a little bit, so will miss most of the afternoon anyways. But I can be back in the early evening if there is need to be. I'm hoping we at least can have the night actions go off by tonight, so we can have the weekend to talk about stuff.. I am alot more hesitant to talk at night phase, and a long weekend night phase might cause for very low interaction on here.

06-02-2006, 10:12 AM	#907
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	anything works for me, I'll be away all weekend and I am leaving today at 1:00 so I wouldn't be very active today anyway and at this point it is very important that I am active.

06-02-2006, 10:51 AM	#909
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So it kind of sucks to be have a 3 day night cycle, but there you have it. Saldana: It sounds like our roles are very similar as my votes have quite a bit of potential as well. I do not take this potential to have something to do with a tie breaker though and I believe cronin does not either. So saldana is now very high in my circle of trust based on what he has said.

06-02-2006, 11:34 AM	#910
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Is there any reason why last nights actions can't be posted at some point today and then go right into the day phase for monday? That would at least spur on some discussion.

06-02-2006, 12:07 PM	#915
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Well shit. I was about to make a case AGAINST Blade once the day phase hit, too. I apparently suck.

06-02-2006, 12:08 PM	#916
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok hoops time to come out with who you guarded two nights ago. Blade's death is not a good thing vis a vie your innocence in my mind.

06-02-2006, 12:11 PM	#918
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I told you guys I was positive about blade

06-02-2006, 12:13 PM	#920
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	"but one of you seems to be more affected then the others" I'll be interested to see if there is something that comes out of this. I'm glad that there was not a double-kill with Blade, as I thought that might be forthcoming. With that idea (Blade as one of two Lovers) running through my head it put me in a tough spot last night on who to guard. Again, I don't want to reveal the most recent guard action since it would leave the person exposed for Night 4. But here is the update on my actions, excluding Night 3: Night 1: Cronin Night 2: Saldana I left Saldana out there as bait, to some extent on Night 2. I posted him in my Trust List when I wasn't sure if he belonged there or not, hoping that would factor in him being more of a target (I had not yet revealed at that point that I was the bodyguard). I'm also not sure why they would target Blade two nights in a row. He has voted for me without any deviation in his intent. He was similarly fixated on voting for me in the Thing game and never moved his vote; he rarely considered ideas in the game that didn't involve me as a bad guy. I feel like they sacrificed a good player who was not going to be a threat to them until after I'm dead. Of course, based on my work up to this point I'm not much of a threat either

06-02-2006, 12:18 PM	#922
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	VOTE ANXIETY I would also welcome a vote on Tyrith, folks. This is the first time I've put a vote on somebody two days in a row. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-02-2006, 12:19 PM	#923
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I took the one more effected then the others, after a couple of readings, to mean Blade was more effected considering he was burnt to a crisp. Hoops why did you protect saldana? I just can't find the logic in that.

06-02-2006, 12:20 PM	#925
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Information that I would like to have: Saldana vs Barkeep - Barkeep appears ready to trust Saldana. Does the reverse hold true? Saldana gave his PM information before Barkeep. Saldana indicated his secondary role before Barkeep. Is there something that Barkeep can add in regards to their roles that will validate him for Saldana (who may not be around before 10PM tonight but should absolutely be here over a weekend). Anxiety vs Lathum - both of those guys came out yesterday and said that they had reasons for believing both Blade and I were good. Anxiety seems to be changing his story a little bit on this, saying I now appear "wolfish". What are the opinions of these two towards each other? Blade's "chat" claim - can anyone else come forward to verify that there is a role that allows for a wolf to be involved with PMs? Or is this something that Blade made up yesterday as a cover story to keep some other fact from emerging (not in an anti-wolf fashion, but to avoid posting info that helped the wizards)?

06-02-2006, 12:22 PM	#926
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think the reason they went after Blade twice in a row was they figured he was the one player they could count on NOT being protected last night. I think any other target they faced a possible bodyguard block. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-02-2006, 12:26 PM	#928
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, should I assume that you did not get any information about changes in voting/ties/whatever?

06-02-2006, 12:29 PM	#931
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Vote hoops For now. There's too many oddities in the situation. Why Saldana, of all people? The argument he presented is somewhat weak, though I can't poke many holes in it. The bodyguard could have been killed early, which would explain why no one challenged Hoops. I think Blade was not bodyguarded, but was privvy to some other event that happened during a successful conversion. To play my own devils advocate, the wizard COULD have killed Blade to make us go after hoops just like I'm doing. But it's where I'm going for right now. Convince me otherwise.

06-02-2006, 12:31 PM	#933
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Well, its been fun guys...i hope you guys do us wolves proud __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

06-02-2006, 12:33 PM	#935
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Sure, here is a description that somewhat closely resembles my role: I'm new to this pack. The last Pack Alpha that I was responsible for was headstrong, rarely listened to my words of caution, and found himself as a trophy for a knight he attacked directly (he was offed by the knight's squire ). I'm looking for a new Alpha to protect. My role doesn't appear to let me know who an attacker is, but if the person I protect is targeted then I will drive off his foes. I will know that my person was attacked.

06-02-2006, 12:36 PM	#937
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think they went for blade acting under the assumption he can't be protected 2 nights in a row. I still trust hoops, protecting Saldana on day 2 may be random but usually the first few days are unless there is a role reveal. The question I have is if hoops didn't protect blade on night 2 then how did he survive an attack? Any info on this would be helpfull.

06-02-2006, 12:38 PM	#938
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Coffee, for the wolves to successfully use the "assume the role" strategy they need to know the roles of the players who are dead. I don't know if they do or not, but there is nothing in the game that I've seen that leads me to believe this is the case. I could see a wolf making this play blindly as we get later into the game. But there were still 13 of the initial 16 people involved in the game when I came out with saying I was the bodyguard. There isn't a whole heck of a lot more I can say to try and convince you that I really am playing the role of the bodyguard. I came out with this at the start of Day 3 instead of at the end of Night 2 in order to provide a full day for people to refute this role or to try and double-cross the wolves with a fake "No, I'm the bodyguard!" claim that would net us a 1:1 scenario. In terms of who to guard each night, I'm willing to listen to advice posted on the board if you (or anyone else) have strong feelings on the matter that you don't mind the wizards reading about. But I won't promise to follow it.

06-02-2006, 12:40 PM	#941
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, I have no information on Blade's Night 2 adventures. Everything I have done in my role of the bodyguard, with the exception of the Night 3 protect, has already been posted. I have not received a single PM as of yet on results from night actions. I even sent a follow-up PM yesterday morning to SirFozzie to make sure that he hadn't forgotten to send me something related to Night 2 after seeing there was no one dead and having him laugh about submitted events earlier. Nothing. I really wish I had something to provide here.

06-02-2006, 12:41 PM	#942
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Ok, well, time to lay my cards on the table. There is a second component to my role - I have the ability to "sniff out" the wizard's henchmen. I have "sniffed" the following players: hoopsguy, blade, barkeep, and coffee warlord. I have not found any henchmen. I got an odd message when I sniffed out hoopsguy, which does not match his description, so it's possible that he is the Wizard. Hoopsguy is either the wizard or a wolf, NOT a henchman, so I don't think we should be voting for him - if he is the wizard, there is some other way to kill him which I am not aware of, but I assume one of you is. Barkeep and Coffee are wolves. I don't know if I'm coming forward too soon or not. I apologize for all the smoke I have been blowing up your butts. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-02-2006, 12:41 PM	#943
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, hopefully Post #941 provides the long answer about my "success". The short answer is "no" - I have yet to encounter the wizard or his henchmen.

06-02-2006, 12:42 PM	#944
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Blade = Blessed?

06-02-2006, 12:42 PM	#945
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, on what days did you "sniff" these players?

06-02-2006, 12:43 PM	#946
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Night 0 - hoopsguy 1 - Blade 2 - Barkeep 3 - Coffee __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-02-2006, 12:45 PM	#948
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	damn, I have to go now. It is such a pivotal time, I am going to try and get access to the net later but if noy I won't be back untill sunday.

06-02-2006, 12:46 PM	#949
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, you expected my role to start with "G" - can you give me an idea what you thought my role should be? Finally, how does this fit into the "Lawgiver" role? Can you give a little better accounting for the entirety of your role if the cards are now on the table? I think that the timing on this announcement works fine for me - it helps develop a much better circle of trust for today and after an 0-3 start we are getting to the point where we need to be successful.