WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!! - Page 26

RendeR · 04-30-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

No I think you are being voted because you insisted all day that we couldn't have covered the work had you three been on it. You really never brought the faking into it all day which is a point well taken and one I knew before. Yes they could have faked. Did they want to? Obviously not since they arrested EF.

Hrm, lemme think.

Was I right? yes RendeR. you were right, no matter how the work was alotted the sympathizers could bend us over a coal car and fuck us in the ass.

I thought teh fact they could fake if they wanted to was pretty fucking obvious. but I'll be sure to stick in every god damned inane detail from now on, K Dubb?

RendeR · 04-30-2009, 06:20 PM

*shakes himself a bit to relax*

good lord why was that so damned difficult? Am I speaking asshole-eez?

RendeR · 04-30-2009, 06:20 PM

I need a hot dog. Back in a few.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

*shakes himself a bit to relax*

good lord why was that so damned difficult? Am I speaking asshole-eez?

It wasn't hard. Just appeared you were bending math for some agenda.

Chief Rum · 04-30-2009, 06:23 PM

I don't like the candidates thrown up today. Without reading further, I can't come close to getting the same vibe some have had on The Jackal, so I can't see going that way. But I have read enough that I don't believe, at this moment at least, that Render is a Symp.

Hang me for it later, but I'm not going to put a vote on either one, because I don't think either's a good choice.

I am going to go with Autumn. He's in the supposedly "suspicious" searching crew (

), and he was for full reveals on Day One, and the others who were for that, I feel good about right now (BK, Danny).

Really, though, not much suspicion on him either, but I have to vote for someone, and I don't want to vote for either of the top two candidates.

VOTE AUTUMN

The Jackal · 04-30-2009, 06:23 PM

I'm not opposed to moving away from render onto BK, but I've still got these vibe votes piled on me so I'm kind of stuck on self defense right now. How do you feel about BK, render?

The Jackal · 04-30-2009, 06:24 PM

render 3 (lathum 1134, autumn 1190, Jackal 1205)
Jackal 3 (Danny 1172, Poli 1202, heinz 1216)
PB 1 (EF 914)
Pass 1 (clap 1116)
clap 1 (Pass 1154)
BK 1 (dubb 1250)
Autumn 1 (CR 1255)

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, lemme think.

Was I right? yes RendeR. you were right, no matter how the work was alotted the sympathizers could bend us over a coal car and fuck us in the ass.

I thought teh fact they could fake if they wanted to was pretty fucking obvious. but I'll be sure to stick in every god damned inane detail from now on, K Dubb?

I think the thing about faking is that there's a risk involved in doing it. So there's a BIG difference between making us lose the camps through a wolf faking, and the way we lost it yesterday.

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 06:37 PM

Also, if we had all three searchers working, we would have been up four. Losing EF would have put us up one, which means that two wolves would have had to fake to put us down one. Right?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Unvote RendeR
Vote Barkeep

He went UTR the day of the vote after pushing his agenda the last couple of days(and drawing heat from lots) when there was no vote.

False. I was very active on Monday. I have not been active since. Haven't had time. I can even find the post where I admit to having skipped two whole pages simply to catch up.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think the thing about faking is that there's a risk involved in doing it. So there's a BIG difference between making us lose the camps through a wolf faking, and the way we lost it yesterday.

I agree 100% with this statement.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 06:50 PM

Hey Pass, are you going to be around between now and deadline?

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Hey Pass, are you going to be around between now and deadline?

Yeah, I'll be in and out. Why?

RendeR · 04-30-2009, 07:00 PM

THere is not a BIG difference in losing it either way, its not about HOW we lost, its the simple fact that we could not win. Granted that wasn't obvious until afterthe mission/deadline/ everything but when going back over it all we truly had no way to win that camp unless they chose to let us win it.

We'd have nothing at all other than perhaps a narrowed suspect list, most likely the largest group, and we'd have zero items.

If we didn't go on the mission yesterday was a 0 win 2 loss day, as it was we turned it into a 1-1 day which based on the figures is the best we could have hoped for.

Dubb: I wasn't bending any numbers in any way, You and the others droning on about 32/29 and having enough overall are the ones twisting what the numbers meant.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

THere is not a BIG difference in losing it either way, its not about HOW we lost, its the simple fact that we could not win. Granted that wasn't obvious until afterthe mission/deadline/ everything but when going back over it all we truly had no way to win that camp unless they chose to let us win it.

We'd have nothing at all other than perhaps a narrowed suspect list, most likely the largest group, and we'd have zero items.

If we didn't go on the mission yesterday was a 0 win 2 loss day, as it was we turned it into a 1-1 day which based on the figures is the best we could have hoped for.

Dubb: I wasn't bending any numbers in any way, You and the others droning on about 32/29 and having enough overall are the ones twisting what the numbers meant.

Well end result you three got items, the wolves got the easy way out and as a result we have less to go on today. It was a me play rather than a team play, bottom line.

It would be the same as the bodyguard protecting himself, no one, himself, no one, himself, no one, etc.

claphamsa · 04-30-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

He's been UTR a lot lately, really he usually is, but especially in games with rules that he has to understand.

Problem with that is, it'd be very easy for him to hide as a wolf by playing the same way. Having played with him many times, I can't say I have a vibe either way at this point.

im never utr.... never paticually helpful, but usualy post alot

stupid swine flu and media sensatioanlism!

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:05 PM

RendeR -- which do you think would have happened if every one of us was on the camps, that they would have had two x1 people fake, or one x3?

claphamsa · 04-30-2009, 07:07 PM

do we know tie breakers?

PurdueBrad · 04-30-2009, 07:08 PM

Claph, are you sick and I missed it? If so, feel better.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

do we know tie breakers?

I don't think it is in the rules but at 2030 if there is no interest in my Barkeep vote I'm moving back on RendeR to make my vote count.

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

do we know tie breakers?

I don't see them.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, I'll be in and out. Why?

It seems like you've been aggressive about stuff today. Any particular reason?

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It seems like you've been aggressive about stuff today. Any particular reason?

I had a post somewhere that I think explains where I was coming from. Let me see if I can dig it up.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:14 PM

Am I missing something or do we still have 8 outstanding votes with just 45 minutes to go?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:14 PM

Jackal: One of the raps against you seems to be that you've been unusually active today. It's an odd charge. Can you point to any other games where you've been a very active villager early on?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Am I missing something or do we still have 8 outstanding votes with just 45 minutes to go?

My vote is outstanding. I am trying to find a place to cast it.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

My vote is outstanding. I am trying to find a place to cast it.

Any chance of me convincing you to self vote?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:15 PM

My question for RendeR, were he around, would be if he doesn't actually understand why people might disagree with him. He might think he's right but the opposition to him seems reasonable enough.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Any chance of me convincing you to self vote?

No. Any chance you can tell me what I'm doing differently this game where you are suspicious of me versuses two games ago where you were suspicious of me (and turned out to be a wolf)?

TheNorm · 04-30-2009, 07:16 PM

Take a nap, and even more stuff to read.
I'm gonna grab a bite to eat right quick, and then I'll come back to vote. There's a few I'm definitely suspicious about, but nothing solid enough for me to say 'vote so and so'. BRB...

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No. Any chance you can tell me what I'm doing differently this game where you are suspicious of me versuses two games ago where you were suspicious of me (and turned out to be a wolf)?

You seemed overly confused about mechanics early, while also a bit overly hard headed in your stances. Then once you caught heat you disappeared.

PurdueBrad · 04-30-2009, 07:18 PM

I'm going back and forth. I'm caught up but haven't been compelled one way over another. Render's secrecy regarding his item could be odd (or could be an important thing to keep secret) and I'm getting a slightly odd vibe off of him but I don't love voting vibe. Jackal has been active, particularly this afternoon, which does seem out of character. Either way though, it looks like we're doing away with a searcher which they've been valuable early with the first mission looking for lost people and the individual mission (if you believe that they had a bonus looking, which I still didn't get from the mission description).

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No. Any chance you can tell me what I'm doing differently this game where you are suspicious of me versuses two games ago where you were suspicious of me (and turned out to be a wolf)?

And I ask because I really try hard not to think someone is a wolf just because they think I'm one where I'm a villager, but clearly that was a mistake last time.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:20 PM

You also seemed to flip flop on your stance about missions if I'm remembering correctly, the big one though was disappearing today with the lynch vote.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

You seemed overly confused about mechanics early, while also a bit overly hard headed in your stances. Then once you caught heat you disappeared.

Again. I disappeared after Monday. After Monday I've had no time.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

You also seemed to flip flop on your stance about missions if I'm remembering correctly, the big one though was disappearing today with the lynch vote.

Disappearing?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

You also seemed to flip flop on your stance about missions if I'm remembering correctly, the big one though was disappearing today with the lynch vote.

I did flip flop. True enough. As the facts changed I changed my stance. So I'm fine if that's why you're voting for me. Silly. But fine.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Disappearing?

Lol, I'm not trying to say you are a high level mage or rogue.

Poli · 04-30-2009, 07:23 PM

I hear he's pretty good with a bowstaff.

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Lol, I'm not trying to say you are a high level mage or rogue.

No seriously. How have I disappeared?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

I hear he's pretty good with a bowstaff.

That's what she said.

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess the reason I'm harping on this is that I had pretty high concern all morning about getting the camps converted -- I think my posts from that time bear that out. I also felt like we were really up against it, with two people going on the mission that I thought had a good chance of not returning, and not knowing if we had a second organizer for a while. And for people to come in later and say, "oh if I had been around, sure, I wouldn't have gone on the mission, meanwhile I'll just enjoy the item I got" really rubs me the wrong way, since I feel like I had to clean up their mess.

BK, here's my post 978. I feel like I've taken a lot of heat for being aggressive toward Poli, when I had the same questions of RendeR and got no heat for asking them of him. I admit that maybe I was harder on Poli than RendeR because RendeR seemed pretty forthright about admitting his mistake last night while Poli seemed to dance around the issue IMO, also because the fact that Poli hadn't read the rules honestly irked me (which I know I said something about at some point, I just saw it on my way to find this one).

PurdueBrad · 04-30-2009, 07:25 PM

Guys, I know we're caught up in the oust, are we set to make the camp conversion for today?

Barkeep49 · 04-30-2009, 07:26 PM

I agree you got heat about being aggressive towards Poli and not RendeR. It's why I asked about both.

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No seriously. How have I disappeared?

As you admitted you were very active early and then dropped off. It just seemed to be around the time you were catching heat and having people state they were going to vote for you when we got a lynch vote. Timing was odd.

claphamsa · 04-30-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Claph, are you sick and I missed it? If so, feel better.

im a disaster person... and my account is... FLU

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Guys, I know we're caught up in the oust, are we set to make the camp conversion for today?

There is a hell of a point.

PurdueBrad · 04-30-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

im a disaster person... and my account is... FLU

Shit Claph, that sucks. Good luck.

Passacaglia · 04-30-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree you got heat about being aggressive towards Poli and not RendeR. It's why I asked about both.

Then did I answer your question? I thought you were just asking about my aggressiveness in general, not about those two in particular. Did you want me to go into some more detail on each of them individually then, or was it about my play? I had really lumped the two together in my mind based on both of them making the same claim (that they would have switched off the mission, if only they had been online). I don't think it's likely that both are wolves, since they both have the same skill, and both told the same story, but I wanted to differentiate them from each other somehow, and I think I managed to get them both talking enough to do that. That said, I'm still suspicious of both of them. :P

dubb93 · 04-30-2009, 07:31 PM

Unvote BK

04-30-2009, 06:20 PM	#1252
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	shakes himself a bit to relax good lord why was that so damned difficult? Am I speaking asshole-eez? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

04-30-2009, 06:20 PM	#1253
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I need a hot dog. Back in a few. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

04-30-2009, 06:23 PM	#1255
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I don't like the candidates thrown up today. Without reading further, I can't come close to getting the same vibe some have had on The Jackal, so I can't see going that way. But I have read enough that I don't believe, at this moment at least, that Render is a Symp. Hang me for it later, but I'm not going to put a vote on either one, because I don't think either's a good choice. I am going to go with Autumn. He's in the supposedly "suspicious" searching crew ( ), and he was for full reveals on Day One, and the others who were for that, I feel good about right now (BK, Danny). Really, though, not much suspicion on him either, but I have to vote for someone, and I don't want to vote for either of the top two candidates. VOTE AUTUMN __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

04-30-2009, 07:00 PM	#1264
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	THere is not a BIG difference in losing it either way, its not about HOW we lost, its the simple fact that we could not win. Granted that wasn't obvious until afterthe mission/deadline/ everything but when going back over it all we truly had no way to win that camp unless they chose to let us win it. We'd have nothing at all other than perhaps a narrowed suspect list, most likely the largest group, and we'd have zero items. If we didn't go on the mission yesterday was a 0 win 2 loss day, as it was we turned it into a 1-1 day which based on the figures is the best we could have hoped for. Dubb: I wasn't bending any numbers in any way, You and the others droning on about 32/29 and having enough overall are the ones twisting what the numbers meant. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

04-30-2009, 07:07 PM	#1268
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	do we know tie breakers? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

04-30-2009, 06:23 PM	#1256
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm not opposed to moving away from render onto BK, but I've still got these vibe votes piled on me so I'm kind of stuck on self defense right now. How do you feel about BK, render?

04-30-2009, 06:24 PM	#1257
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	render 3 (lathum 1134, autumn 1190, Jackal 1205) Jackal 3 (Danny 1172, Poli 1202, heinz 1216) PB 1 (EF 914) Pass 1 (clap 1116) clap 1 (Pass 1154) BK 1 (dubb 1250) Autumn 1 (CR 1255)

04-30-2009, 06:37 PM	#1259
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also, if we had all three searchers working, we would have been up four. Losing EF would have put us up one, which means that two wolves would have had to fake to put us down one. Right?

04-30-2009, 06:50 PM	#1262
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Hey Pass, are you going to be around between now and deadline?

04-30-2009, 07:05 PM	#1267
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	RendeR -- which do you think would have happened if every one of us was on the camps, that they would have had two x1 people fake, or one x3?

04-30-2009, 07:08 PM	#1269
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Claph, are you sick and I missed it? If so, feel better.

04-30-2009, 07:14 PM	#1274
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	Am I missing something or do we still have 8 outstanding votes with just 45 minutes to go?

04-30-2009, 07:14 PM	#1275
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Jackal: One of the raps against you seems to be that you've been unusually active today. It's an odd charge. Can you point to any other games where you've been a very active villager early on?

04-30-2009, 07:15 PM	#1278
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	My question for RendeR, were he around, would be if he doesn't actually understand why people might disagree with him. He might think he's right but the opposition to him seems reasonable enough.

04-30-2009, 07:16 PM	#1280
TheNorm Mascot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL	Take a nap, and even more stuff to read. I'm gonna grab a bite to eat right quick, and then I'll come back to vote. There's a few I'm definitely suspicious about, but nothing solid enough for me to say 'vote so and so'. BRB...

04-30-2009, 07:18 PM	#1282
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm going back and forth. I'm caught up but haven't been compelled one way over another. Render's secrecy regarding his item could be odd (or could be an important thing to keep secret) and I'm getting a slightly odd vibe off of him but I don't love voting vibe. Jackal has been active, particularly this afternoon, which does seem out of character. Either way though, it looks like we're doing away with a searcher which they've been valuable early with the first mission looking for lost people and the individual mission (if you believe that they had a bonus looking, which I still didn't get from the mission description).

04-30-2009, 07:20 PM	#1284
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	You also seemed to flip flop on your stance about missions if I'm remembering correctly, the big one though was disappearing today with the lynch vote.

04-30-2009, 07:23 PM	#1289
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I hear he's pretty good with a bowstaff. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

04-30-2009, 07:25 PM	#1293
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Guys, I know we're caught up in the oust, are we set to make the camp conversion for today?

04-30-2009, 07:26 PM	#1294
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I agree you got heat about being aggressive towards Poli and not RendeR. It's why I asked about both.

04-30-2009, 07:31 PM	#1300
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	Unvote BK

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