PING: Senator

CamEdwards · 05-20-2003, 03:23 PM

I know you're going to be even busier now that we're back at Orange Alert, but I wondered if you could help answer this question.

Does the significance of any suspected terror attack factor into whether the alert level is raised or not? By that I mean if we suspected that Terrorist #1 was going to blow himself up in front of a military base, would that alone increase the threat level nationwide or does it take something like a suspected operation of Terrorists #2-14 planning coordinated attacks to raise the alert level?

I'm just curious.

Thanks.

Draft Dodger · 05-20-2003, 03:39 PM

^^^
Terrorist

Senator · 05-20-2003, 04:17 PM

This is what I am at liberty to relay: wish it could be more.

The U.S. Intelligence Community believes that Al Qaida has entered an operational period worldwide, and this may include attacks in the United States.

In the wake of terrorist bombings in Saudi Arabia and Morocco, Al-Qaida and those sympathetic to their cause, are still a principal threat, but threats may also emanate from other anti-U.S. terrorist groups, regional extremist organizations, and ad hoc groups or disgruntled individuals not connected to existing terrorist organizations or state sponsors of terrorism. While there is not credible, specific information with respect to targets or method of attack, the use of tactics similar to those seen in recent terrorist attacks overseas include small arm equipped assault teams, large vehicle borne explosive devices, and suicide bombers. These attacks underscore terrorists' desires to attack soft targets. Weapons of mass destruction, including those containing chemical, biological or radiological agents or materials, cannot be discounted.

CamEdwards · 05-20-2003, 04:32 PM

so it's one of those "you could tell me, but then you'd have to kill me" questions.

I understand.

CamEdwards · 05-20-2003, 04:44 PM

dola: I'm assuming since you posted this to a message board that it's fit for public consumption, or would you rather I not share this?

Fritz · 05-20-2003, 04:46 PM

the blue egg is in the brown basket.

Mister Whipple likes soft paper.

meow meow meow meow

sachmo71 · 05-20-2003, 04:48 PM

The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.

Anyone?

CamEdwards · 05-20-2003, 04:48 PM

fritz,

we all know the blue egg is in the brown basket. Dammit, if you don't have valuable national security information to share on a public message board about a text football sim, then just be quiet.

Senator · 05-20-2003, 05:48 PM

This is open info.

Fritz · 05-20-2003, 09:47 PM

Senator already gave you some information. In fact, he has said quite a lot.

tucker342 · 05-20-2003, 09:55 PM

Senator,

Are you really a Senator???

Senator · 05-20-2003, 10:23 PM

No. It is just a handle.

CamEdwards · 05-20-2003, 10:24 PM

he's actually Laura Bush.

Draft Dodger · 05-20-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tucker342
Senator,

Are you really a Senator???

I had the same question, but I was chicken.

Anrhydeddu · 05-20-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fritz
Senator already gave you some information. In fact, he has said quite a lot.

No, he was using the exact same words quoting Tom Ridge.

Every time I see the alert level go up, my first reaction is to cuss the Democrats for shrilling "what did he know and when did he know it". Damn them for turning intelligence reports and analysis into a public, cover your ass political game.

Draft Dodger · 05-20-2003, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Every time I see the alert level go up, my first reaction is to cuss the Democrats for shrilling "what did he know and when did he know it". Damn them for turning intelligence reports and analysis into a public, cover your ass political game.

I curse the terrorists.

Anrhydeddu · 05-20-2003, 10:51 PM

DD, any different now than it had been over the past 20 years? We had always should have been on alert, world-wide, but we chose to ignore the intelligence reports. How can one have ignored the signs after Beirut in 1983, WTC in 1991(?), Cole in 1998(?) and esp. after the first Iraqi war? Imo, 9/11 brought it to the attention of the many that ignored the terrorists hatred and revenge on us but it had been there before and since.

AgPete · 05-20-2003, 11:00 PM

Hate to say this but I really don't have much faith in our ability to predict an attack. We weren't at a high level before the international attacks and in some ways I feel this alert is just a reaction to the recent attacks. Question, if Al-Qaida was set up to attack the U.S., don't you think they would have hit us at the same time? It's obvious an attack on the homeland makes much more of an impact. I think one of two things: 1) Al-Qaida has been damaged more than we thought and they're sticking to easier foreign targets and this is just a precautionary alert 2) Al-Qaida still has serious manpower and we're theorizing that the international hits are part of a larger plan guessing they'll hit us soon. Either way, I don't think we've infiltrated them enough to find out anything. How many high level alerts have we seen that were nothing? BTW, I'm watching Nightline at the moment and they reported some source saying that the U.S. had information that these extremist groups were warning Muslims to get out of Boston, New York City and other Eastern commercial giants. Anyone else hear this?

Happy29 · 05-20-2003, 11:53 PM

They do this all the time. I wasnt alive during the Cold War Era but I'm pretty sure they went to Defcon 2 or 3 several times, it's something that's not new. The Israelis face it all the time, they face terror attacks every day over there, that is something worth giving an alert about not this crap that we've had terror threats here, and not one public event or major street is even close to being hit.

Fritz · 05-21-2003, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
No, he was using the exact same words quoting Tom Ridge.

maybe that is not what I am talking about ya doof

---
anyhow, everything is fine. Don't worrry about national "update your living will" day on Friday.

Fritz · 05-21-2003, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Happy29
I wasnt alive during the Cold War Era

how old are you?

05-20-2003, 04:17 PM	#3
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	This is what I am at liberty to relay: wish it could be more. The U.S. Intelligence Community believes that Al Qaida has entered an operational period worldwide, and this may include attacks in the United States. In the wake of terrorist bombings in Saudi Arabia and Morocco, Al-Qaida and those sympathetic to their cause, are still a principal threat, but threats may also emanate from other anti-U.S. terrorist groups, regional extremist organizations, and ad hoc groups or disgruntled individuals not connected to existing terrorist organizations or state sponsors of terrorism. While there is not credible, specific information with respect to targets or method of attack, the use of tactics similar to those seen in recent terrorist attacks overseas include small arm equipped assault teams, large vehicle borne explosive devices, and suicide bombers. These attacks underscore terrorists' desires to attack soft targets. Weapons of mass destruction, including those containing chemical, biological or radiological agents or materials, cannot be discounted. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

05-20-2003, 04:32 PM	#4
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	so it's one of those "you could tell me, but then you'd have to kill me" questions. I understand. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-20-2003, 04:44 PM	#5
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	dola: I'm assuming since you posted this to a message board that it's fit for public consumption, or would you rather I not share this? __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-20-2003, 04:46 PM	#6
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	the blue egg is in the brown basket. Mister Whipple likes soft paper. meow meow meow meow __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

05-20-2003, 04:48 PM	#8
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	fritz, we all know the blue egg is in the brown basket. Dammit, if you don't have valuable national security information to share on a public message board about a text football sim, then just be quiet. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-20-2003, 03:39 PM	#2
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	^^^ Terrorist __________________ Mile High Hockey

05-20-2003, 04:48 PM	#7
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall. Anyone?

05-20-2003, 05:48 PM	#9
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	This is open info. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

05-20-2003, 09:47 PM	#10
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Senator already gave you some information. In fact, he has said quite a lot. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

05-20-2003, 09:55 PM	#11
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Senator, Are you really a Senator???

05-20-2003, 10:23 PM	#12
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	No. It is just a handle. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

05-20-2003, 10:24 PM	#13
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	he's actually Laura Bush. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

05-20-2003, 10:51 PM	#17
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	DD, any different now than it had been over the past 20 years? We had always should have been on alert, world-wide, but we chose to ignore the intelligence reports. How can one have ignored the signs after Beirut in 1983, WTC in 1991(?), Cole in 1998(?) and esp. after the first Iraqi war? Imo, 9/11 brought it to the attention of the many that ignored the terrorists hatred and revenge on us but it had been there before and since.

05-20-2003, 11:00 PM	#18
AgPete College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2001	Hate to say this but I really don't have much faith in our ability to predict an attack. We weren't at a high level before the international attacks and in some ways I feel this alert is just a reaction to the recent attacks. Question, if Al-Qaida was set up to attack the U.S., don't you think they would have hit us at the same time? It's obvious an attack on the homeland makes much more of an impact. I think one of two things: 1) Al-Qaida has been damaged more than we thought and they're sticking to easier foreign targets and this is just a precautionary alert 2) Al-Qaida still has serious manpower and we're theorizing that the international hits are part of a larger plan guessing they'll hit us soon. Either way, I don't think we've infiltrated them enough to find out anything. How many high level alerts have we seen that were nothing? BTW, I'm watching Nightline at the moment and they reported some source saying that the U.S. had information that these extremist groups were warning Muslims to get out of Boston, New York City and other Eastern commercial giants. Anyone else hear this? __________________ Click here for the FOF2004 World Football League Dynasty (WFL) - Football Goes Global! OOTP5 Psychology Experiment (Incomplete but fun read for MLB fans.) The FOFC All-Time NFL Team - Voted on by FOFC members. Last edited by AgPete : 05-20-2003 at 11:01 PM.

05-20-2003, 11:53 PM	#19
Happy29 In The Penalty Box Join Date: May 2003 Location: To reveal my location, you must decipher a series of traps, each more deadly than the last.	They do this all the time. I wasnt alive during the Cold War Era but I'm pretty sure they went to Defcon 2 or 3 several times, it's something that's not new. The Israelis face it all the time, they face terror attacks every day over there, that is something worth giving an alert about not this crap that we've had terror threats here, and not one public event or major street is even close to being hit.

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