FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016

Toddzilla · 11-21-2016, 03:20 PM

Please vote in the thread below - discussion is always welcome.

You are voting for a player to be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You may vote for no more than 10 players. Players appearing on 75% or more ballots gain admission

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Name	   2016 votes (percent)	Years on ballot
Jeff Bagwell	315 (71.6)	6
Casey Blake		
Barry Bonds	195 (44.3)	4
Pat Burrell		
Orlando Cabrera		
Mike Cameron		
Roger Clemens	199 (45.2)	4
J.D. Drew		
Carlos Guillen		
Vladimir Guerrero		
Trevor Hoffman	296 (67.3)	1
Jeff Kent	73 (16.6)	3
Derrek Lee		
Edgar Martinez	191 (43.4)	7
Fred McGriff	92 (20.9)	7
Melvin Mora		
Mike Mussina	189 (43.0)	3
Magglio Ordonez		
Jorge Posada		
*Tim Raines	307 (69.8)	9
Manny Ramirez		
Edgar Renteria		
Arthur Rhodes		
Ivan Rodriguez		
Freddy Sanchez		
Curt Schilling	230 (52.3)	4
Gary Sheffield	51 (11.6)	2
*Lee Smith	150 (34.1)	14
Sammy Sosa	31 (7.0)	4
Matt Stairs		
Jason Varitek		
Billy Wagner	46 (10.5)	1
Tim Wakefield		
Larry Walker	68 (15.5)	6

* indicates final year on ballot

Toddzilla · 11-21-2016, 03:21 PM

That is one HELL of a freshman class...Vlad, Posada, Manny, Pudge..wow

My Ballot:

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Toddzilla · 11-21-2016, 03:29 PM

Oh, please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.

lighthousekeeper · 11-21-2016, 03:37 PM

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lighthousekeeper · 11-21-2016, 03:41 PM

Toddzilla hates pitchers.

Logan · 11-21-2016, 03:53 PM

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JonInMiddleGA · 11-21-2016, 04:14 PM

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BYU 14 · 11-21-2016, 04:17 PM

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kingfc22 · 11-21-2016, 04:24 PM

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Swaggs · 11-21-2016, 07:53 PM

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rowech · 11-21-2016, 08:46 PM

I don't understand the love for Manny. Great hitter but failed two drug tests. Not a name on a secret list or suspicions.

claphamsa · 11-21-2016, 08:48 PM

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claphamsa · 11-21-2016, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I don't understand the love for Manny. Great hitter but failed two drug tests. Not a name on a secret list or suspicions.

its he era, they were all on roids, hes was GREAT.

rowech · 11-21-2016, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

its he era, they were all on roids, hes was GREAT.

He was partly in that era and for good or bad he was not completely in that era. He was also partly in the testing era when the rules changed and there he failed a test two times.

TroyF · 11-21-2016, 09:04 PM

If Raines doesn't get in, my soul will be wounded. I loved watching that guy play.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-21-2016, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

If Raines doesn't get in, my soul will be wounded. I loved watching that guy play.

Coke head or not, dude had game.

TroyF · 11-21-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Coke head or not, dude had game.

Not sure if I've ever told this story on the forums or not. The first baseball game I can remember going to was at Old Mile High Stadium. Tim Raines started in the OF and Tim Wallach started at 3B. The following year Raines was up at the big league level stealing 71 bases and the Expos were moving another talented young OF through their system. A kid by the name of Terry Francona.

My favorite player on the team was a guy named Dave Hostetler. He played for Texas for a couple of year and ended his career in Japan. He hit some MONSTER bombs for the Bears including a shot into the second deck in left. (I don't think a major leaguer ever hit one there)

Raines was a special player. I think he belongs in the hall.

SackAttack · 11-21-2016, 10:34 PM

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Young Drachma · 11-25-2016, 11:59 PM

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vex · 11-29-2016, 02:40 PM

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nilodor · 11-29-2016, 03:12 PM

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General Mike · 11-29-2016, 06:03 PM

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SackAttack · 11-29-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nilodor

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Honest question:

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SackAttack · 11-29-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vex

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Same question to you, but reverse the names.

vex · 11-29-2016, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Same question to you, but reverse the names.

Bonds was an insufferable ass, I liked Clemens.

Toddzilla · 11-30-2016, 05:13 PM

I'll tabulate and post results the day the real voting ends.

Carman Bulldog · 11-30-2016, 05:48 PM

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Buccaneer · 11-30-2016, 07:31 PM

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DanGarion · 12-01-2016, 05:34 PM

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oykib · 12-01-2016, 06:27 PM

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ntndeacon · 12-02-2016, 07:45 AM

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revrew · 12-02-2016, 09:51 AM

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Toddzilla · 12-19-2016, 01:52 PM

LAST CALL FOR VOTES!!

We have 19 voters, so 15 is the threshold to get in at this point

(Hint - very small class so far)

kcchief19 · 12-19-2016, 03:45 PM

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VPI97 · 12-19-2016, 05:02 PM

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Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-05-2017, 07:17 PM

Fun interlude. 18 years ago today. Pretty good class.

tarcone · 01-05-2017, 07:46 PM

Wow. thats a great class.

Hard to believe they have been retired for 23 years.

dawgfan · 01-18-2017, 05:21 PM

So Trevor Hoffman gets 74.0% while Lee Smith is at 34.2% (facepalm)

They're the same pitcher, but one came along in the very early days of the save rule and one came after it had transformed pitcher usage.

Peregrine · 01-18-2017, 06:39 PM

It really is hilarious how close those two pitchers are - in Baseball Reference Smith is the nearest comparison for Hoffman.

Code:

Sim Player               From  To Yrs  WAR  W   L   WL%   ERA    G   GS  GF  CG SHO  SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  ERA+
+---+--------------------+---------+--+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+
      Trevor Hoffman      1993-2010 18  28.4  61  75  .449  2.87 1035   0 856   0   0 601 1089.3  846  378  347 100  307 1133 140
 896  Lee Smith           1980-1997 18  29.6  71  92  .436  3.03 1022   6 802   0   0 478 1289.3 1133  475  434  89  486 1251 131

Toddzilla · 01-18-2017, 07:15 PM

The results are in...the 2016 inductees to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame are...

Jeff Bagwell - 86%
Barry Bonds - 76%
Roger Clemens - 76%
Trevor Hoffman - 76%

Wow, VERY different than the BBWAA, that's for sure.

We had 21 voters, so 16 votes was needed for election. Bagwell got 18 out of a possible 21 votes; Bonds, Clemens, and Hoffman got exactly the 16 votes they needed.

As for the real-life enshrinees, Tim Raines missed it by one vote and Pudge fell 3 short:

Code:

Jeff Bagwell	18
Barry Bonds	16
Roger Clemens	16
Trevor Hoffman	16
*Tim Raines	15
Vlad Guerrero	14
Manny Ramirez	13
Ivan Rodriguez	13
Mike Mussina	10
Curt Schilling	8
Larry Walker	8
Edgar Martinez	6
Gary Sheffield	6
*Lee Smith	5
Sammy Sosa	5
Jeff Kent	3
Fred McGriff	3
Jorge Posada	3
Magglio Ordonez	2
Billy Wagner	2

The google sheet can be seen here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

stevew · 01-20-2017, 10:57 AM

I guess nobody cared that Pudge came to camp the year after drug testing started and his head had shrunk a full size?

Logan · 01-20-2017, 01:04 PM

I couldn't believe that Vlad didn't get in on the first ballot.

stevew · 01-24-2018, 05:34 PM

Trevor Hoffman?

JonInMiddleGA · 01-24-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Trevor Hoffman?

I have no problem with that at all. Was a beast for quite a number of years.

molson · 01-24-2018, 06:01 PM

Bonds and Clemens continue to slightly gain ground, but they're probably not doing it fast enough. (57% and 56%) Edgar Martinez jumped up to to 70.4%, so I bet he gets in next year, his last year on the ballot. He was as low as 25% a few years ago. Mike Mussina also had a big jump, up to 63.5%, from 43% last year, and 20% two years before that.

dawgfan · 01-24-2018, 06:01 PM

Edgar Martinez will have to wait one more year and sweat out his final year on the ballot before he's enshrined. Bummer he has to wait, but the good news is it looks pretty much set for him to get in next year.

MrBug708 · 01-24-2018, 06:24 PM

That's a shame that Edgar is going to make it. Baseball would be better off ending the DH

Vince, Pt. II · 01-24-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Bonds and Clemens continue to slightly gain ground, but they're probably not doing it fast enough. (57% and 56%) Edgar Martinez jumped up to to 70.4%, so I bet he gets in next year, his last year on the ballot. He was as low as 25% a few years ago. Mike Mussina also had a big jump, up to 63.5%, from 43% last year, and 20% two years before that.

Re: Bonds and Clemens, I would imagine that the fact that they gained ground at all, despite the public outcry from those already enshrined, has to be a good sign for their chances.

As I've thought all along, I still suspect that they will get in but it won't be until their last year or two of eligibility.

CrimsonFox · 01-24-2018, 07:19 PM

Why are Clemens and Schilling not in? That's crazy

tarcone · 01-24-2018, 09:02 PM

The local sports radio show was talking about Bonds and Clemens today. They were listing stats about him.
If they eliminated all his HRs his OBA would be >384. Which is higher than Arods.
In a 3 year span he hit 173 HRs and struck out 183 times. I might be wrong on the numbers, but he only struck out 10 more times than hit a HR.
He had 688 career intentional walks.
One of the guys commented that he would regularly only see one pitch to hit in a game and he would launch it.

He was a great baseball player. One of the best ever. Its a sham he isnt in the HoF. Regardless of the PED thing. Which wasnt against the rules. And helped baseball recover after their Lock out/strike years.

11-21-2016, 03:21 PM	#2
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	That is one HELL of a freshman class...Vlad, Posada, Manny, Pudge..wow My Ballot: Spoiler Bagwell Bonds Clemens Guerrero Kent Raines Ramirez Rodriguez Sheffield Walker I would have voted for Hoffman, Mussina, and Wagner if I had more votes Last edited by Toddzilla : 11-21-2016 at 03:32 PM.

11-21-2016, 03:37 PM	#4
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Spoiler Bond Clemens Schilling Bagwell Mussina Walker Raines I-Rod Posada Hoffman __________________ ... Last edited by lighthousekeeper : 11-21-2016 at 03:38 PM.

11-21-2016, 03:41 PM	#5
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Toddzilla hates pitchers. __________________ ...

11-21-2016, 03:53 PM	#6
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Mike Mussina Jorge Posada Manny Ramirez Ivan Rodriguez Curt Schilling

11-21-2016, 04:14 PM	#7
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Spoiler My first cut left me with 12 names, 8 in and 4 maybe. The 9th came easily enough when I compared to his peers The last name came down to what do I believe about his intent re: BALCO. After reading both Jay Jaffe's piece on the subject & part of Tom Verducci's, I opted to include him. Jeff Bagwell Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Fred McGriff Tim Raines Curt Schilling Lee Smith Mike Mussina Billy Wagner Gary Sheffield The other two contenders omitted were Spoiler Jeff Kent & Edgar Martinez __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-21-2016, 03:29 PM	#3
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Oh, please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.

11-21-2016, 04:17 PM	#8
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Spoiler Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Trevor Hoffman Manny Ramirez Jeff Bagwell Tim Raines Ivan Rodriguez

11-21-2016, 04:24 PM	#9
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Spoiler Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Ivan Rodriguez Manny Ramirez Jorge Posada Trevor Hoffman __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

11-21-2016, 07:53 PM	#10
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Spoiler Bagwell Bonds Clemens Raines Ramirez Rodriguez Sheffield Sosa __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-21-2016, 08:46 PM	#11
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I don't understand the love for Manny. Great hitter but failed two drug tests. Not a name on a secret list or suspicions. Last edited by rowech : 11-21-2016 at 08:47 PM.

11-21-2016, 08:48 PM	#12
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Spoiler bonds clemens walker ramirez rodriguez __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!! Last edited by claphamsa : 11-21-2016 at 08:51 PM.

11-21-2016, 09:04 PM	#15
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If Raines doesn't get in, my soul will be wounded. I loved watching that guy play.

11-21-2016, 10:34 PM	#18
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Jeff Kent Edgar Martinez Mike Mussina Tim Raines Lee Smith

11-25-2016, 11:59 PM	#19
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Spoiler Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Jeff Bagwell Edgar Martinez Tim Raines Trevor Hoffman Ivan Rodriguez Sammy Sosa Gary Sheffield Mike Mussina

11-29-2016, 02:40 PM	#20
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Magglio Ordonez Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Ivan Rodriguez Curt Schilling Larry Walker

11-29-2016, 03:12 PM	#21
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Spoiler Raines (I'd vote for him 10 times if i could) Walker Bonds Guerrero Mussina Hoffman Pudge Bagwell

11-29-2016, 06:03 PM	#22
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Jeff Kent Mike Mussina Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Curt Schilling Sammy Sosa Last edited by General Mike : 11-29-2016 at 06:07 PM. Reason: missed a guy

11-30-2016, 05:13 PM	#26
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I'll tabulate and post results the day the real voting ends.

11-30-2016, 05:48 PM	#27
Carman Bulldog College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada	Spoiler J. Bagwell B. Bonds R. Clemens V. Guerrero T. Hoffman E. Martinez T. Raines M. Ramirez I. Rodriguez L. Walker

11-30-2016, 07:31 PM	#28
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Trevor Hoffman

12-01-2016, 05:34 PM	#29
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Larry Walker Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Mike Mussina Ivan Roriguez Vlad Guerrero Edgar Martinez Manny Ramirez Trevor Hoffman __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO! Last edited by DanGarion : 12-01-2016 at 05:34 PM.

12-01-2016, 06:27 PM	#30
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Mike Mussina Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield Sammy Sosa

12-02-2016, 07:45 AM	#31
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Fred McGriff Magglio Ordonez Tim Raines Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield Lee Smith Larry Walker __________________ Up the Posh!

12-02-2016, 09:51 AM	#32
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Spoiler Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Ivan Rodriguez Curt Schilling Lee Smith __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

12-19-2016, 01:52 PM	#33
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	LAST CALL FOR VOTES!! We have 19 voters, so 15 is the threshold to get in at this point (Hint - very small class so far)

12-19-2016, 03:45 PM	#34
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Edgar Martinez Fred McGriff Mike Mussina Tim Raines Lee Smith

12-19-2016, 05:02 PM	#35
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Spoiler Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Trevor Hoffman Edgar Martinez Tim Raines Manny Ramirez Sammy Sosa Billy Wagner __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

01-05-2017, 07:17 PM	#36
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Fun interlude. 18 years ago today. Pretty good class.

01-05-2017, 07:46 PM	#37
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Wow. thats a great class. Hard to believe they have been retired for 23 years. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

01-18-2017, 05:21 PM	#38
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	So Trevor Hoffman gets 74.0% while Lee Smith is at 34.2% (facepalm) They're the same pitcher, but one came along in the very early days of the save rule and one came after it had transformed pitcher usage.

01-18-2017, 06:39 PM	#39
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	It really is hilarious how close those two pitchers are - in Baseball Reference Smith is the nearest comparison for Hoffman. Code: Sim Player From To Yrs WAR W L WL% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA+ +---+--------------------+---------+--+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+ Trevor Hoffman 1993-2010 18 28.4 61 75 .449 2.87 1035 0 856 0 0 601 1089.3 846 378 347 100 307 1133 140 896 Lee Smith 1980-1997 18 29.6 71 92 .436 3.03 1022 6 802 0 0 478 1289.3 1133 475 434 89 486 1251 131 __________________ Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. --Sideshow Bob

01-18-2017, 07:15 PM	#40
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	The results are in...the 2016 inductees to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame are... Jeff Bagwell - 86% Barry Bonds - 76% Roger Clemens - 76% Trevor Hoffman - 76% Wow, VERY different than the BBWAA, that's for sure. We had 21 voters, so 16 votes was needed for election. Bagwell got 18 out of a possible 21 votes; Bonds, Clemens, and Hoffman got exactly the 16 votes they needed. As for the real-life enshrinees, Tim Raines missed it by one vote and Pudge fell 3 short: Code: Jeff Bagwell 18 Barry Bonds 16 Roger Clemens 16 Trevor Hoffman 16 Tim Raines 15 Vlad Guerrero 14 Manny Ramirez 13 Ivan Rodriguez 13 Mike Mussina 10 Curt Schilling 8 Larry Walker 8 Edgar Martinez 6 Gary Sheffield 6 Lee Smith 5 Sammy Sosa 5 Jeff Kent 3 Fred McGriff 3 Jorge Posada 3 Magglio Ordonez 2 Billy Wagner 2 The google sheet can be seen here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

01-20-2017, 10:57 AM	#41
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I guess nobody cared that Pudge came to camp the year after drug testing started and his head had shrunk a full size?

01-20-2017, 01:04 PM	#42
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I couldn't believe that Vlad didn't get in on the first ballot.

01-24-2018, 05:34 PM	#43
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Trevor Hoffman?