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08-18-2011, 01:22 PM
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He sure does talk tough. I really don't see it every happening though. Not because of what happened to SMU, but because there's just so much more money at stake now. It's hard to see the NCAA taking all those millions and millions away from a member school forever. At the end of the day the NCAA is just kind of a client of the big time football programs who handles some administration and organization. (I'd love to be wrong though). http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...-penalty_n.htm "We have to get after it, and we have to get after it quickly," Emmert told USA TODAY on Wednesday. "It's a shame to have this kind of an exclamation point put on the declarative sentences that we were issuing. But boy, (the Miami allegations) sure did it. "Anyone who looks at the situation is going to conclude that things aren't working, that there are fundamental problems that have to get fixed." "Clearly, the impact of the so-called death penalty is really severe," Emmert said, speaking generally, and not specifically about the Miami case. "You wouldn't want to enter into it without a very solid reason for doing so. At the same time, you have to recognize that, today, inflicting that penalty on any one school has a lot of collateral damage to other members of the conference, around media contract rights and a variety of things. So you wouldn't enter into it casually. "… Having said that, if that's an option that the (NCAA) committee on infractions believes is appropriate in any one case — it doesn't matter which one it is — I'm not opposed to them using that. … We need to have penalties that serve as effective deterrents so that people who are doing the calculation in their head (as to) whether or not the risks and rewards line up … recognize the price of being caught." Last edited by molson : 08-18-2011 at 01:23 PM. |
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08-18-2011, 01:40 PM
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One of the attorneys, I think it was, already was quoted as saying the death penalty's not in the discussion. They should try getting their stories straight before talking to the media.
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08-18-2011, 10:38 PM
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Interesting counter-point to the original article. It's a good analysis of why most of these charges will not be proven. The NCAA isn't a court of law, but this is pretty weak evidence even for their standards..........
Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims | All About The U Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-18-2011 at 10:39 PM. |
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08-19-2011, 07:49 AM
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This is why I don't get too excited about the possible charges until later. I would love to see OSU get nailed hard as well, but let's see what the NCAA really thinks of what went on.
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08-19-2011, 08:26 AM
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"Renegade reporter". Ha. He's gone ROGUE!
I won't even read that article just because of the headline.
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08-19-2011, 09:21 AM
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Well, it is on "All About the U," written by 2003alumgocanes. So you know it has to be very fair and impartial, with absolutely no self interest to defend the university. |
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08-19-2011, 09:33 AM
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And that's why some actually bother to read articles. He doesn't even defend the university or any of the parties involved. He even starts off by clearly stating that all of the charges may be absolutely true. What he does do (and very well I might add) is go through the information and actually evaluate the charge against what evidence was provided. In most of the cases, it's pretty flimsy at best and likely won't be a charge that the NCAA follows up. It's a much longer version of what I stated previously......I think most of it happened, but I think very little of it will stand up to any burden of proof. |
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08-19-2011, 09:49 AM
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From Stewart Mandel's twitter:
Paul Dee at a 2007 infractions hearing: "You have to put in place the kind of institutional control we have at Miami."
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08-19-2011, 10:14 AM
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You glean what you want from an article. He makes those throw away lines, but his actual words are very much all about defending the university. Oh, and personally attacking the authors of the piece. He is purposely misrepresenting the article. Nowhere does the authors lay out the individual claims and pieces of evidence for all of the infractions. The article would be a novel considering the numbers involved. The authors do say they have both third party statements and paper records to back the claims they made. The guy behind the allegations actually gave them 120 names of players and coaches, and they weeded it down to 72 that they had other collaborating claims. The article doesn't go point by point, but highlights certain things, and he makes like that what they showed is all they have. Last edited by GrantDawg : 08-19-2011 at 10:15 AM. |
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08-19-2011, 11:10 AM
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Wouldn't the ACC most likely kick Miami out of the conference as soon as they find a new 12th school to replace them to avoid losing a conference championship game? |
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08-19-2011, 11:42 AM
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At the time this is handed down, the ACC might not exist, or it might be at 9 members or 16 members.
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08-19-2011, 01:02 PM
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Sorry, this guy can't hold Yahoo Sports junk when it comes to sports reporting. |
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08-19-2011, 01:35 PM
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The NCAA ain't exactly a court of law, you know? |
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08-19-2011, 01:45 PM
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08-19-2011, 01:50 PM
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I liked where he tried to convince the reader that a booster calling a recruit or current player multiple times and them calling him back is totally normal and on the up and up. |
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08-23-2011, 08:37 AM
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Well, I guess I got my answer last night. The NCAA gave the transferred/signed elsewhere players "limited immunity," meaning they are immediately eligible in exchange for giving up all the info they have on Miami. Miami has officially graduated from a bunch of thugs to mobsters.
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08-23-2011, 08:44 AM
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Is it reading in to suggest that tells how large the level of infractions that are being investigated? It seems the NCAA is willing to over-look minor infractions to make a case for major ones. |
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08-23-2011, 11:32 AM
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Charles Robinson fields questions from Cane fans.
CaneSport.com - Yahoo! Sports Uncensored: Questions from the fans |
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08-23-2011, 12:05 PM
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He pretty much answered every question the Canes fan had been using to deny the allegations. Now, it is a question of if his sources are going to be as forthright to the NCAA investigators. Many sources he couldn't list because it would reveal their identity means he also couldn't give them to the NCAA, so they are going to have to happen on them on their own. My guess is many will not work with the NCAA, and some of the allegations won't stand up. |
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08-23-2011, 12:11 PM
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Some great questions in there. Hard to see any of the emotion.
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08-23-2011, 12:16 PM
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Which is why they did the immunity thing for the current players not at Miami - they want to play, so they must talk. I haven't looked at the details, but I'd be interested in how many of the 12, if any, can link a coach or someone at the school with knowledge of the benefits they received.
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08-24-2011, 01:36 PM
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So, Tressel has to be hit with this as well, right, for lying about what he knew?
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08-24-2011, 01:43 PM
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You can hit Tressel with any penalties you want, but it won't matter. I can't see any scenario where he gets back into collegiate coaching.
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08-24-2011, 02:26 PM
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I was kinda surprised that he said he wanted to eventually. I thought his retirement from OSU meant he acknowledged he'd never coach again.
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08-24-2011, 02:28 PM
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I think Tressel will end up as a coordinator in the NFL if he coaches at all.
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08-24-2011, 02:32 PM
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Maybe that's what he was talking about. He wasn't specific.
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08-24-2011, 02:46 PM
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I could see Tressel doing a "grass roots" type thing (think 1-AA, D2), have some success, and then get back into major college athletics.
I think most long time college coaches would have a real hard time being a coordinator in the NFL. Most aren't the best x's and o's guys. |
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08-30-2011, 04:22 PM
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72 former Miami players receive subpoenas in the bankruptcy case of Nevin Shapiro. I've fought a lot of subpoenas and it isn't easy. It is usually not a matter of whether you have to respond but if you can delay it long enough that your testimony becomes irrelevant or forgotten.
This is interesting because, the NCAA, of course, does not have subpoena power. They can't compel anyone to testify. Now, I would expect all of the Canes to request confidential treatment of their testimony, but quote a way of landing in unsealed court briefs or other documents. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA is able to use or review anything from testimony or documentary evidence here. 72 former Miami Hurricanes to get subpoenaed - CBSSports.com |
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08-30-2011, 05:27 PM
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Between 1 and 6 games for the players involved. Once again the message is break all the rules you want, by the time the investigation is done you will be long gone and any punishment will be suffered by a bunch of kids who had nothing to do with. Brilliant.
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09-01-2011, 05:38 PM
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DeQuan's mom goes on the offensive. Rumor around Mizzou is that Haith isn't even being targeted by the NCAA. They're targeting the Miami BB assistants, but aren't finding much to back up Shapiro's claims of a $10,000 payment.
UM hoops player DeQuan Jones’ mom, former coaches deny allegations - UM - MiamiHerald.com |
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09-19-2011, 08:26 PM
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Oh, I missed this story a week ago but thought it would make a good bump here:
Boise State gets NCAA penalties - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN If we use a similar scale for penalties, then Miami would get, what, 4 death penalties? Is that like serving 4 consecutive life sentences in jail where you just have no hope of parole? SI
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09-19-2011, 08:41 PM
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I saw someone say that Miami and Ohio State should stop screwing around to avoid any further penalties from the NCAA against Boise State. |
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09-20-2011, 12:24 AM
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Worth noting that Oregon finally got an official notice of inquiry from the NCAA.
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09-20-2011, 08:11 AM
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The Boise State thing was in part laughable - "Couchgate" is what it's being called. The main football violations were players letting recruits sleep on their couches during visits and giving them rides to the field without collecting gas money.
The tennis program, OTOH, did some serious shit, like knowingly playing an ineligible player from overseas. Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny that UNC imposed sanctions on itself identical to what Boise State got. As if UNC's violations weren't a tad more serious.
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As did South Carolina. Interesting timing from Oregon - got the letter mid-week, announced it right after College GameDay ended and the noon games were kicking off on Saturday.
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12-20-2011, 08:24 PM
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07-20-2012, 07:30 PM
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07-20-2012, 07:37 PM
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Ha, I had forgotten about Miami. Luckily for them, I think the NCAA has too.
"We have to get after it, and we have to get after it quickly," Emmert told USA TODAY on Wednesday. (from an article 11 months ago) |
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07-20-2012, 09:01 PM
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Meanwhile Caltech got dinged hard for using "ineligible" players, who were ineligible because they hadn't finished signing up for classes until the end of the 3 week registration period...
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07-20-2012, 09:21 PM
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A friend of mine who went to Cal Tech was like "yeah, they must have been laughing pretty hard drawing up those self-imposed penalties. No postseason for a team that had lost over 300 in a row until last season"
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07-20-2012, 09:55 PM
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yy, and vacating non-existent wins!
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07-20-2012, 09:58 PM
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Give em the death penalty or they'll never learn.
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07-20-2012, 10:19 PM
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To be fair, Caltech has been unfairly and brutally dominating their competition for far too long, leaving the NCAA little choice but to get involved. Athletics can't dominate a university, you know. |
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Gold!  SI
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Miami was breaking the rules? In another surprising turn of events, the sun will rise tomorrow.
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07-20-2012, 11:30 PM
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My D2 alma mater basically got banned from the postseason last year because of some transfer paperwork not being filed properly for one of the players.
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Aubrey Hill resigned as UF WR coach this morning. Statements only said it was for personal reaosns, not related to UF (didn't mention Miami), and that he didn't want to be a distraction.
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Interview with Allen about the Shapiro allegations. Allen sheds some light on the allegations and what did and didn't really happen.
Exclusive: Ex-employee details how Hurricanes program unraveled in scandal - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings |
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09-23-2012, 06:15 PM
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I don't see how the NCAA can avoid hammering Miami... but then again it is the NCAA and Dees has a lot of friends in the organization still.
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