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Old 02-20-2020, 05:32 PM   #21701
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Trump fires an acting DNI and replaced with a crony because the DNI dared to report to Congress that the Russians are trying to interfere with the 2020 election in Trump's favor. Trump loves firing people for doing their job and being honest. I am so glad he learned his lesson from the impeachment

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Old 02-20-2020, 06:04 PM   #21702
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Trump fires an acting DNI and replaced with a crony because the DNI dared to report to Congress that the Russians are trying to interfere with the 2020 election in Trump's favor. Trump loves firing people for doing their job and being honest. I am so glad he learned his lesson from the impeachment

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And so glad the Dems are keeping their promise to continue holding Trump accountable. Trump's going to steal the election while the Dems argue over what type of socialist is the good type.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:07 PM   #21703
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Trump fires an acting DNI and replaced with a crony because the DNI dared to report to Congress that the Russians are trying to interfere with the 2020 election in Trump's favor. Trump loves firing people for doing their job and being honest. I am so glad he learned his lesson from the impeachment

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Definitely has all the signs of a rage firing. Grenell isn't close to qualified enough to bother nominating for the position so he's yet another person in an acting role, but this seems to be temporary enough that they're not pulling him from his ambassador job in Berlin (where the Germans have apparently been considering asking him to leave).
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:00 AM   #21704
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I always wondered how demagogues were allowed to keep doing all the crazy shit they end up doing. Like why don't the people just stop taking them seriously and laugh when we hear about the crazy propagandist exploits of their leaders, but now I know. I wish I didn't, but I do and it's still rather unreal.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:47 AM   #21705
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This is quite a list when you see it all in one place. All of this is since Trump was acquitted by the Senate.

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2. Trump fired Ambassador to the EU Gordan Sondland, who provided damaging testimony in the impeachment inquiry.

3. Trump fired Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, who provided damaging testimony in the impeachment inquiry.

4. Trump called on Vindman to be investigated by the Pentagon.

5. Trump attacked his former Chief of Staff, John Kelly, for defending Vindman, saying Kelly had a "legal obligation" to "keep his mouth shut."

6. Trump ordered the removal of John C. Rood, a Pentagon official who told Congress that he had cleared the release of military aid to Ukraine. (Trump withheld it anyway.)

7. Trump called the Justice Department's sentencing recommendation for his longtime political adviser, Roger Stone, "horrible and very unfair."

8. Trump cheered Attorney General Bill Barr when he intervened in the Stone case to withdraw the sentencing recommendation. Four prosecutors on the case resigned in protest.

9. Trump attacked the judge presiding over Stone's case, Amy Berman Jackson, as biased, falsely accusing her of placing his former campaign manager Paul Manafort in solitary confinement.

10. Trump withdrew the nomination of Jessie Liu, who oversaw the Stone prosecution, to a top Treasury department position.

11. Trump asserted he has the legal right to order Barr to intervene in any criminal case.

12. Trump's Attorney General, William Barr, assigned an outside prosecutor to review the case against Michael Flynn, Trump's former National Security Adviser who pled guilty to lying to investigators. (Barr is also reviewing other "politically sensitive" cases.)

13. Trump commuted the sentence former Governor Rod Blagojevich, who was convicted of trying to sell a U.S. Senate seat. (Blagojevich appeared on Trump's reality show and wrote an op-ed for a conservative publication opposing impeachment.)

14. Trump pardoned Michael Milken who was sentenced to 10 years for securities fraud. Milken is a personal friend of Trump's Treasury Secretary, Steven Mnuchin.

15. Trump pardoned Bernie Kerik, who served three years in jail for tax fraud. Kerik frequently defends Trump on Fox News.

16. Trump granted clemency to Paul Pogue, who was convicted of tax evasion. Pogue is a major donor to Trump's campaign and the GOP.

17. Trump pardoned David Safavian, who was convicted of obstructing the investigation of corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

18. Trump commuted the sentence of Judith Negron, who was convicted of a $205 million Medicare fraud scheme and money laundering.

19. Trump diverted $3.8 billion in military funding to build the wall he said Mexico would pay for.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:03 AM   #21706
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Need to add that he attacked the foreman (woman) of the jury that found Stone guilty, called her credibility into question (basically said she was a never trumper out to get him) and said that Stone had been treated very unfairly.


And where the hell is #1 on that list?
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:51 AM   #21707
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No 1 was just a line about the timeframe.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:53 AM   #21708
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dola

Just saw a depressing possibility(luckily quite a longshot).

Dem wins by a few million votes.
269-269 electoral college tie.
Dems retain majority in the House,
But, GOP has a majority of states.
So, a minority of GOP House Reps elect Trump as President.
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Old 02-21-2020, 11:09 AM   #21709
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269-269 electoral college tie.

IIRC (too lazy to look up to confirm) I think there's a semi-legit path here-- Dems flip PA and MI (polls support this as viable right now), and manage to swing one of the district votes in Nebraska (who breaks up their EC voters) to go blue (less likely, but not unthinkable). And there you go.
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:49 PM   #21710
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I just looked at the state delegations list and, yep, the GOP has majorities in exactly 26 states. Whoever wrote that tiebreak rule is a moron. why even have it go to the House if you're going to give every state equal votes like in the Senate?
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:45 PM   #21711
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No 1 was just a line about the timeframe.


Your one got eaten by my earlier two.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:56 PM   #21712
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And so glad the Dems are keeping their promise to continue holding Trump accountable. Trump's going to steal the election while the Dems argue over what type of socialist is the good type.

What can they do? They already impeached the guy.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:01 PM   #21713
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What can they do? They already impeached the guy.

Armed rebellion I guess?
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:16 PM   #21714
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Tea Party sure shut the fuck up fast after Trump got elected.

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Old 02-21-2020, 07:27 PM   #21715
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What can they do? They already impeached the guy.

My understanding is that the constitution still permits investigations by House committees.

Dems are also allowed to provide coordinated statements to media outlets.

They can also talk about Trump's corruption while 20 million people are watching a debate full of Dems.

They aren't helpless, and every crime ignored is a crime excused.
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Old 02-22-2020, 04:37 AM   #21716
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dola

Just saw a depressing possibility(luckily quite a longshot).

Dem wins by a few million votes.
269-269 electoral college tie.
Dems retain majority in the House,
But, GOP has a majority of states.
So, a minority of GOP House Reps elect Trump as President.

I'm not sure, but I think it's the incoming House that votes, not the outgoing. So if Dems retained the majority, they could, in theory, also gain a majority of state delegations.

That said, they probably didn't have as good a day as THAT if the EC is split.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:05 PM   #21717
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The National Security Advisor said today that there's no evidence that Russia is supporting Trump but that it isn't surprising that Russia is supporting Sanders.

The whole national security apparatus now works for the Trump campaign.
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:19 PM   #21718
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:30 PM   #21719
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Philly should establish its own index called the Dow Jawns.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:22 AM   #21720
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I've read that Trump got a great welcome in India and I'm sure that is part of the Modi-Trump nationalism commonality. It's good that Trump is thinking strategically and strengthening ties with India.

At one time it was predicted that China and India would have a greater GDP than the US. China obviously has done a better job and it makes sense to me to team up with India to blunt China however possible.

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The rivalry between the U.S. and China is playing out in India, where American President Donald Trump will be wrapping up his state visit to the South Asian country.

Experts said that Trump’s first state visit to India signifies the growing strength of the relations between Washington and New Delhi, amid China’s rising clout in South Asia. As part of his two-day visit which began on Monday, Trump was in New Delhi and Ahmedabad, the largest city in Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state of Gujarat.
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“India is choosing — even as it puts trade barriers — to buy more from the United States in those sectors where the government of India makes the buys,” said Rossow, referring to state purchases in gas and defense sectors as examples.
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Although Washington has been trying to engage India for sometime regarding closer security ties, New Delhi has been slow to respond till recently, said Rossow, pointing out that China is “playing a more active role across South Asia and the India Ocean region.” The Chinese navy has also been an active operator in the Indian Ocean region, and has sent submarines to the region, he added.

And India is beginning to feel the heat as Beijing has not only built up strong relations with Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Maldives, but China’s economy and military are also bigger than India, he said.

The underlying reasons for the security partnership between the U.S. and India are beginning to appear more complementary now, said Rossow.
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:34 AM   #21721
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It's rather ironic that the WH is complaining about the media spreading fear over the CV. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:04 PM   #21722
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So I came across this article today and it reminded me of the Greta vs. Malala discussion on this thread... apparently they just met for the first time

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Old 02-26-2020, 02:27 PM   #21723
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So I came across this article today and it reminded me of the Greta vs. Malala discussion on this thread... apparently they just met for the first time

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Looks like everyone was nice & calm
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Old 02-26-2020, 02:34 PM   #21724
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Well yeah, no one at that meeting in Oxford is an asshole that you need to yell at
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Old 02-26-2020, 03:57 PM   #21725
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Not sure how "real" or significant the "law enforcement grant" is but looks like another win for the Trump team.

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The Trump administration can withhold federal money from seven states, as well as New York City, over their cooperation on immigration enforcement, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.

The decision by the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court ruling that blocked the Justice Department from withholding a key law enforcement grant the department said was available only to cities that complied with specific immigration enforcement measures.

The federal appeals court ruling comes amid an ongoing feud between the Trump administration and so-called "sanctuary cities," which limit cooperation between local law enforcement and federal immigration authorities. Over recent weeks, the administration has stepped up its fight against sanctuary jurisdictions and taken measures like barring New York residents from enrolling in certain Trusted Traveler programs, such as Global Entry.
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Lower courts have blocked the Justice Department from adding new requirements for the policing grants. In April 2018, the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a ruling in favor of the city of Chicago.

But Raggi noted in Wednesday's ruling that the conditions on federal grants put forth by the administration in part help the government enforce national immigration laws and rejected the notion that the conditions "intrude on powers reserved to the States."

The requirements announced in 2017 include allowing federal immigration authorities access to jails and providing the Department of Homeland Security advance notice before local officials release an undocumented immigrant wanted by federal authorities.
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Old 02-26-2020, 04:01 PM   #21726
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Withholding tax funds from tax payers. Such a win.
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Old 02-26-2020, 04:03 PM   #21727
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I'm sure the conservative, small government, state's rights, taxation is theft crowd will be up in arms by that move. Wait, their tongues are still attached to his boots.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:13 PM   #21728
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Or are just too racist to care. It comes down to Trump can do anything he wants to New York or California. They are not "real Americans" there.

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Old 02-26-2020, 05:25 PM   #21729
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Not to mention New York and California pay in far more in taxes than they receive back from the Federal government. You could call this a "redistribution of wealth" if you want. Weird that the vocal anti-socialist of the board supports it.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:25 PM   #21730
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Yeah, the whole States Rights crowd, should be pissed about the government telling a local city what they should do with their law enforcement to best serve the people of their city. Essentially dictating how much money the local government spends for the benefit of the feds.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:28 PM   #21731
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I'm sure the conservative, small government, state's rights, taxation is theft crowd will be up in arms by that move. Wait, their tongues are still attached to his boots.

Coming from that crowd, a few thoughts:

1) I lean more towards open borders than closed borders, but with the laws as they are, since citizenship and immigration is under the purview of the Federal government, it is within the rights of the Federal government to withhold grants if the local government is flouting Federal law.

2) The local government are speaking out of both sides of their mouth on this. They want grant money from the Feds to help enforce laws, but they want to pick and choose which Federal laws to enforce.

3) The local government CAN and SHOULD be allowed to choose which laws to enforce on a local level (that's the whole point of elections for executive offices), however they should not be shocked to not receive grants to help enforce the laws they are choosing not to enforce. If you are not enforcing some of these, why do you need the money?
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:06 PM   #21732
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1) I lean more towards open borders than closed borders, but with the laws as they are, since citizenship and immigration is under the purview of the Federal government, it is within the rights of the Federal government to withhold grants if the local government is flouting Federal law.

Then you're not a state's rights supporter. You're a big government person who believes the federal government should hold purview over the state. That's fine, just don't claim state's rights or smaller federal government on other issues.

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2) The local government are speaking out of both sides of their mouth on this. They want grant money from the Feds to help enforce laws, but they want to pick and choose which Federal laws to enforce.

No, they want money that they paid in. If you don't want to provide them with their tax dollars, you shouldn't collect it from them. This is a redistribution of wealth based on party affiliation.

And states are not obligated at all to enforce federal laws. They can't obstruct, but they don't need to do the feds job for them. This was a decision that conservative, state's rights, small government folks approved of at one time.

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3) The local government CAN and SHOULD be allowed to choose which laws to enforce on a local level (that's the whole point of elections for executive offices), however they should not be shocked to not receive grants to help enforce the laws they are choosing not to enforce. If you are not enforcing some of these, why do you need the money?

The Byrne Grant is not for illegal immigration. It's a broad grant that funds new technology in law enforcement, forensics, drug treatment, court costs, and community programs.

If there is a percent of that grant specifically delegated toward combating illegal immigration, take that out. But this is nothing more than taking someone's tax dollars and not returning it to their community out of political spite.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:07 PM   #21733
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Yeah, the whole States Rights crowd, should be pissed about the government telling a local city what they should do with their law enforcement to best serve the people of their city. Essentially dictating how much money the local government spends for the benefit of the feds.

State's rights folks don't really exist. It's just an excuse used to defend the confederacy and slave holders. When push comes to shove, they love their federal government.
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Then you're not a state's rights supporter. You're a big government person who believes the federal government should hold purview over the state. That's fine, just don't claim state's rights or smaller federal government on other issues.



No, they want money that they paid in. If you don't want to provide them with their tax dollars, you shouldn't collect it from them. This is a redistribution of wealth based on party affiliation.

And states are not obligated at all to enforce federal laws. They can't obstruct, but they don't need to do the feds job for them. This was a decision that conservative, state's rights, small government folks approved of at one time.



The Byrne Grant is not for illegal immigration. It's a broad grant that funds new technology in law enforcement, forensics, drug treatment, court costs, and community programs.

If there is a percent of that grant specifically delegated toward combating illegal immigration, take that out. But this is nothing more than taking someone's tax dollars and not returning it to their community out of political spite.

There are a wide array of laws where there is murky ground between the Federal and state government. In my opinion, those murky areas belong to the states not the Federal government. Don't put words in my mouth. If I have a kid that openly flouts my authority, I have the right to not grant privileges to that kid, that I grant to my other kids. Its no different here.

Most tax dollars that are collected by income tax are not earmarked towards anything, they go into a fund and Congress votes on the budget. From that fund, grants and expenditures are determined and voted upon. From there, the cash is allocated, and for the most part spent. Not all money allocated to a fund or part of the budget needs to be spent. Should this money be given back to the people, yes, but that is a separate argument.

With regards to the Byrne Grant, it helps fund law enforcement and forensics. Those areas help the executive branch enforce laws at the local level. (If they do not, then is the grant even needed?) It is within the power of the Federal government to withhold the grant. Just as it was within the power of the Federal government to grant the money under Obama if the Federal laws were selectively enforced at the local level.

Again, I am not saying that I side with Trump in this, I understand where he is coming from and do not begrudge him the ability to deny the funds for whatever reason he deems appropriate. Just as I would not begrudge Obama the ability to do the same thing.

Also, a grant is not the return of taxes. That is a tax rebate. A grant is awarded, and typically has a set of standards by which they are awarded. They are not mandatory expenditures.
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There are a wide array of laws where there is murky ground between the Federal and state government. In my opinion, those murky areas belong to the states not the Federal government. Don't put words in my mouth. If I have a kid that openly flouts my authority, I have the right to not grant privileges to that kid, that I grant to my other kids. Its no different here.

Kids is a ridiculous comparison. Your kids don't pay you taxes and then see those taxes unevenly distributed based on political affiliation.

No one is flouting the federal governments authority. They are free to go in and arrest who they like. The state is saying "we aren't going to do your job for you" which they have every right to do (and do on many other laws).

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Most tax dollars that are collected by income tax are not earmarked towards anything, they go into a fund and Congress votes on the budget. From that fund, grants and expenditures are determined and voted upon. From there, the cash is allocated, and for the most part spent. Not all money allocated to a fund or part of the budget needs to be spent. Should this money be given back to the people, yes, but that is a separate argument.

It's not a separate argument. You are taking money from a group of people and not providing them with the same law enforcement protection because of political affiliation. It goes against what the Byrne Grant was set up to do.

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With regards to the Byrne Grant, it helps fund law enforcement and forensics. Those areas help the executive branch enforce laws at the local level. (If they do not, then is the grant even needed?) It is within the power of the Federal government to withhold the grant. Just as it was within the power of the Federal government to grant the money under Obama if the Federal laws were selectively enforced at the local level.

This is just wrong. It is not used to help the executive branch enforce laws at a local level. In fact, the federal government takes a hands-off approach and allows states and localities to use the funding for their specific needs.

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ust as I would not begrudge Obama the ability to do the same thing.

I'm sure if Obama cut funding for roads to states that allow open carry, there would be a different response from the people supporting this.

This is the federal government punishing states who don't follow their political ideology. Something a state's rights person would be irate over. No amount of mental gymnastics covers that hypocrisy.
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