WW XCII Sparta -- Claimed by Villagers

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If we vote two today and don't vote DT though and he is the evil seer and BK isn't a wolf that puts the cultist a wolf and a villager in the final 3. This sucks. Its like a freakin lose lose with a pass vote on BK now.

Originally Posted by dubb93

We either move to rid ourselves of the cultist and BK this vote or we go all in and vote for neither and try to hit on the wolf as far as I see it.

YOU AND JACKAL ARE THE ONLY VOTES THAT PEOPLE SHOULD CONSIDER!

I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!!!

I don't care what you all think the "balance" of the game should be. All I know is that I am the good goddamned historian and that Clap+Barkeep+Myself are good. Any vote other than a vote for Jackal and Dubb is going to lead us to lose.

I swear to god if I lose another game as the seer because my teammates don't listen to my reveal I'm going to be fucking

JACKAL AND DUBB ARE THE ONLY VOTES THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING! WE NEED TO GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

We either move to rid ourselves of the cultist and BK this vote or we go all in and vote for neither and try to hit on the wolf as far as I see it.

I'm giving us the roadmap to the damn wolf - it's vote for you and jackal. That's it!!!!!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'm giving us the roadmap to the damn wolf - it's vote for you and jackal. That's it!!!!!

I think a clap/barkeep vote would be higher percentage than a me/jackal.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I think a clap/barkeep vote would be higher percentage than a me/jackal.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! 100% WRONG!!!!!!

[dubb93]

Just incase the village buys DT's bs I want you to come back to this post.

My best guess is a lynch of me and jackal will both be villagers. At that point the night kill will be either clap or bk, whichever one ISN'T a wolf. At that point DT and clap/bk whoever he scanned as the wolf will vote for Danny.

[DaddyTorgo]

my bs??

are you fucking kidding me??

i'm the goddamn good seer!!!! just because "you don't buy it" doesn't make it not true

[DaddyTorgo]

if we lynch dubb+jackal i bet we get the last wolf. if we don't then the wolf left will likely kill me and it will be danny (who i haven't scanned).

if for some reason i don't die, i intend to scan danny.

[DaddyTorgo]

you're so wrong dubb. honestly...i hope you're a wolf, because otherwise you're a villager making a bad bad BAD play for the village.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

otherwise you're a villager making a bad bad BAD play for the village.

Wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it wouldn't be the last. I'm willing to go with you on the Jackal lynch, but I also think we need to get rid of Barkeep. I would be willing to agree on those two as a lynch. I don't buy a Danny wolf either.

[DaddyTorgo]

No. I think (per the thread pass just posted in GD) that we're having an alternate come in for barkeep

[DaddyTorgo]

i scanned barkeep. he's a damn villager. we cannot lynch a villager. i have not scanned jackal or you. therefore jackal and you are the ones we should lynch.

the more you argue this the more i think you are the last wolf. otherwise you ought to be willing to die for the village here.

[The Jackal]

well i just got back from a horribly disappointing night

so DT has revealed as a historian? do we have any reason to believe he's the good one, or are we just taking his word for it?

if he's the good one, coming after me because he hasn't scanned me makes sense, but i'm not evil, so i can't help but think he's trying something as the evil historian here

I'm real pissed off right now so here's what I'm gonna do : i should be back home around 10:30 tomorrow and ill catch up then on anything that's happened the rest of tonight and start deciding who to vote

[The Jackal]

10:30 AM, of course

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE DUBB

VOTE JACKAL

[The Jackal]

okay.. what the hell?

vote DT

you're not giving the wolves a win this easily

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

so DT has revealed as a historian? do we have any reason to believe he's the good one, or are we just taking his word for it?

No all we have is his word. All reason would say he is the evil seer. We discussed this days ago. I labeled DT the evil seer days ago before his reveal. If he is the evil seer this is end game strategy. And it would fit in good for it to be end game strategy. Kill of me and you today, kill off one tonight, and then still have the wolf and cultist in the final 3 for an easy win.

[DaddyTorgo]

fuck you all.

this is such bullshit!

"All reason would say he is the evil seer" -- wtf ever. I don't care what "reason" says - I know I'm the god seer.

"you labeled me as the evil seer" - meaning what? You don't have some special insight dubb. Yes I was the seer - and I came back hard at you because I didn't want the wolves to think that you might be right that I was the seer and night kill me. But you are wrong about my evilness. WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

But sure, go ahead and defy common WW-logic and don't believe your seer after he gives himself up for you.

go ahead...lynch me...i'm the good seer and you'll have gained nothing.

BARKEEP & CLAP ARE GOOD. DANNY I PRESUME IS GOOD (AS THE EPHOR).

I hope the rest of the villagers here don't get snowed in by you two - one of you being evil and one of you just trying to save your own neck selfishly, and they vote the right way.

But you know what, this is seriously raising my blood pressure and pissing me off, so I'm fucking done.

Do whatever the fuck you want...I don't care anymore. I'll check a couple minutes before deadline in case I need to move my vote (which I moved to Jackal because I believe you are more likely to be the villager of the two of you dubb), but that's it. I'm not going to argue this anymore. Hopefully the rest of the villagers will see reason.

If not I'm going to fucking throw something through a window - getting lynched as the seer and ignored by your fellow villagers AFTER you reveal is incredibly frustrating.

[The Jackal]

DT, you need to calm down, this isn't a straight WW game, there's a good and evil seer and only the people you've supposedly scanned know whether or not you're telling the truth .. you can't just expect us to blindly trust a reveal

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I hope the rest of the villagers here don't get snowed in by you two - one of you being evil and one of you just trying to save your own neck selfishly, and they vote the right way.

Second time you've said this and it is complete bullshit. Assuming you are the evil seer and both Jackal and I are villagers we lose this game on this one vote. Game over, we lose. I'd say that is a little bit more than me trying to save my neck selfishly.

[Danny]

I'm tired and going to bed, but I'm not 100% convinced DT is the good or bad seer at this point, so I don't know where I am going with my vote. I'll think about it after a good night's rest.

[Danny]

One quick point, if the game right now is 5-1 and DT is lying and we lynch Dubb and Jackal, we lose.

If the game right now is 5-1, we kill DT and are wrong, we go into tomorrow 3-1 with a good idea of the wolf pending a craft hoplite. If I can't come up feeling strong one way or the other I will likely follow this strategy.

[claphamsa]

vote jackyl

[Passacaglia]

I've removed the one-vote penalty from Barkeep49, as he's asked to withdraw from the game. I'm working on an alternate or some other workaround in the meantime. Vote count:

Barkeep49 -- 1 dubb93 (544)
DaddyTorgo -- 1 The Jackal (565)
dubb93 -- 0
The Jackal -- 2 DaddyTorgo (564) claphamsa (572)

[claphamsa]

I hope hes ok!

[The Jackal]

well, clap's vote for me makes sense for him if he's a wolf or a villager, that's not helpful

[claphamsa]

and we also dont know about the BK situation...

[The Jackal]

true, good luck figuring that one out pass

i don't know if i want to align myself with dubb since he might be a wolf, but it's seeming much likelier to me that he's a villager based on his play

[The Jackal]

and i'm not given much choice with clap and DT on the same page, whatever that means

what are you thinking, dubb?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Danny

One quick point, if the game right now is 5-1 and DT is lying and we lynch Dubb and Jackal, we lose.

If the game right now is 5-1, we kill DT and are wrong, we go into tomorrow 3-1 with a good idea of the wolf pending a craft hoplite. If I can't come up feeling strong one way or the other I will likely follow this strategy.

Hell of a point there.

[DaddyTorgo]

i give up. i am the good seer damnit.

fyi - i think Jackal is the wolf over dubb.

If you all were really smart you'd lynch one of jackal/dubb and then me instead of me+barkeep. And then if the night kills continue you know that the other person of jackal/dubb is the wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

whatever...i'm done trying to convince you people to not make the bonehead play.

idk when you all drank the retarded kool-aid but it's pissing me off.

[claphamsa]

when you say you all who are you arguing to? I belive you... BK is gone... Dubb is the cultist, and jackyl is a wolf.... that is prety much everyone

[DaddyTorgo]

I dunno - I appreciate that you believe me clap. At least somebody does. I also know BK is gone. Guess I'm talking to Danny, and dubb (assuming dubb isn't the cultist - but he may be).

How about this - how about we lynch one of dubb/jackal instead of 2 people? Then I'll either scan the other (assuming we miss the wolf) or I'll be night-killed and you'll all know the other is the wolf.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I dunno - I appreciate that you believe me clap. At least somebody does. I also know BK is gone. Guess I'm talking to Danny, and dubb (assuming dubb isn't the cultist - but he may be).

How about this - how about we lynch one of dubb/jackal instead of 2 people? Then I'll either scan the other (assuming we miss the wolf) or I'll be night-killed and you'll all know the other is the wolf.

The problem with this is your thinking shifted as soon as we found out BK wasn't going to be around. We don't really have a shot at a tie now anyway.

[claphamsa]

I think there is 0 chance we lynch 2 people.... you forget, that idea was put out by dubb... who is at best insane (I dont see a culitst role, even though hes playing it)

[Danny]

Actually that idea was put out by DT yesterday, Dubb mentioned it the first day. There is an evil historian role which is like a cultist.

[DaddyTorgo]

my thinking shifted as soon as it became clear that a minority of people believed my reveal.

danny, we have you + me + clap

if the three of us agree on either dubb or jackal we can get that person lynched. and then if i get night-killed you'll know that the other was a wolf. if i don't get night-killed i'll scan the other to confirm that they are not a wolf, and if they're the cultist they can't really do us any harm so we just leave them be.

otherwise if we lynch me then you're 2-2 potentially with the cultist+a wolf and they night-kill and we lose the city

[Danny]

Let's not forget the cultist counts as a villager

[The Jackal]

i hope clap isn't a wolf that's playing me, but..

unvote DT

vote dubb

[DaddyTorgo]

right

Jackal - I guarantee you 100% that clap is not a wolf.

[The Jackal]

well yes i know you do, but if you are both wolves or you're the evil historian then you could be lying

[The Jackal]

but clearing BK also makes that scenario less likely, i suppose .. would've been interesting to hear his thoughts

[DaddyTorgo]

Barkeep49 -- 1 dubb93 (544)
dubb93 -- 1 Jackal (589)
The Jackal -- 2 DaddyTorgo (564) claphamsa (572)

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

well yes i know you do, but if you are both wolves or you're the evil historian then you could be lying

I am no such evil historian. I am also no such wolf.

AT WORST clap could be the cultist I suppose. But if we lynch you I think we get the last wolf and we're okay.

[Danny]

I'm out for a while, will be back an hour or so before deadline.

[The Jackal]

screw this, i'm tired of you calling me the last wolf, i really don't think dubb is a wolf

[The Jackal]

unvote dubb

vote DT

[DaddyTorgo]

bah - we could still lose the city if we actually have the cultist here in the city

if we lynch the person who's not the wolf or cultist then it becomes 2-2 after a night kill and the wolf+cultist close it out (assuming we don't get a replacement for BK).

But from dubb's play I think he's most likely to be the cultist and him and jackal are the only potential wolves left, so lynching either of them seems the play to make.

based on dubb potentially being the cultist i think we lynch jackal first.

[DaddyTorgo]

well jackal - it's either you or dubb who is the last wolf. it's really as simple as that. so you can't say "i'm not the last wolf and dubb's not a wolf." it's not physically possible.

so my choices are either (a) call dubb the last wolf, or (b) call you the last wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

Barkeep49 -- 1 dubb93 (544)
DaddyTorgo -- Jackal (597)
The Jackal -- 2 DaddyTorgo (564) claphamsa (572)