WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Well, assuming you're not making a counterclaim, the list of people who haven't had a chance to speak up is down to 4. Of those 4, one I firmly believe is a dog. Furthermore, it seems an awfully risky play to hang a fellow wolf out to dry on day 2.

So, the odds are pretty damned good he's telling the truth.

CW, remind me, what's the case against Collins again?

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlord -- mccollins (493), Chief Rum (661)
st.cronin -- dangarion (743)
PurdueBrad -- st.cronin (506), oliegirl (610), hoopsguy (663), The Jackal (683), Coffee Warlord (726), Kwhit (736), jeheinz72 (745), Passacaglia (750)
EagleFan -- RendeR (674)
hoopsguy -- EagleFan (657), PurdueBrad (668), Lathum (670), seolian

Now, to get some analysis in on this vote, in the event I bite it.

First, the PB votes. I'm tending to say the early, pre-reveal votes, despite the rapid fire actin there, are probably cats. I don't see a lot of purpose of dogs piling on another dog that early. The later, post-reveal votes...jeheinz and Passa are prolly on the point of no return side. Me and KWhit basically provided the nails in the coffin. Passa I believe is a good guy. Heinz doesn't have much good going for him.

Dangarion just got a lot of wolf points by being the lone voice on Cronin.

EF, Lathum, Seolian, and the known wolf PB on hoops...that's a decent block of votes when it was still up in the air. I find that highly suspicious, knowing what we know now.

I still am not sure what to make of CR's vote on me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

CW, remind me, what's the case against Collins again?

Go back and read my posts on him. I'm tired of posting long winded stuff right now.

[Passacaglia]

CW, I agree that I made my vote after I was sure that PB was on his way out. I was hoping we could see who tried to save him, just like I did Day 1. But once heinz put his vote on PB, my guess was that the wolves gave up on him.

[jeheinz72]

Man, I am playing very poorly.

Still though, I mean I thought Cronin was a wolf on Day One, for me to not continue that to start Day 2 seems foolish. Then he reveals, and I take my vote off. How was I supposed to know?

But yeah, I can see where that'll get me lynched.

[Lathum]

ok, I expected some reaction...

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Go back and read my posts on him. I'm tired of posting long winded stuff right now.

Haha, no worries, I was trying to be lazy.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I didn't check the unvotes there, so if that modifies my above analysis signifigantly, feel free to make a point about it.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

CW, I agree that I made my vote after I was sure that PB was on his way out. I was hoping we could see who tried to save him, just like I did Day 1. But once heinz put his vote on PB, my guess was that the wolves gave up on him.

Yeah, I didn't want to put it on him really, I wanted the same thing.

But by the same token, since I know I'm a cat, and people keep calling me out, I can't exactly take the risk of leaving myself with another bad vote.

I guess it's just my game for bad votes though no matter what I do.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, I expected some reaction...

I'm still trying to jive this with hoops hinting that he's a seer-type, and scanned PB as wolf. I was thinking hoops was the fool, but you as the fool confuses me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

CW, I agree that I made my vote after I was sure that PB was on his way out. I was hoping we could see who tried to save him, just like I did Day 1. But once heinz put his vote on PB, my guess was that the wolves gave up on him.

Oh they had to at that point.

Don't take my analysis on you to mean I'm suspecting you. I don't.

('Course, I've been horribly, horribly wrong before. )

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola. I'd argue they had to give up on him once cronin revealed and me and KWhit put 2 more quick votes on him. Hell, one could argue me and KWhit's votes were past the 'fuckit' point and thusly questionable. But I know at least one of those two (me and KW) are good.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm still trying to jive this with hoops hinting that he's a seer-type, and scanned PB as wolf. I was thinking hoops was the fool, but you as the fool confuses me.

For clarification of this, I'm looking at posts 649 and 650. hoops quotes PB's post with a bunch of "see"s in it, and adds a few in his post 649. Then in post 650 he comes out against PB. I was thinking that if PB is a wolf, then hoops is the seer. But if PB is the chihuahua, that seems like hoops is the fool.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, I expected some reaction...

How do you know you are the fool? I PM'd Clap during PB's reveal to make sure I had it straight...the fool will get the same result (either dark or light) no matter who he scans, since we've only gotten scan results once so far, how do you know you are the fool?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

How do you know you are the fool? I PM'd Clap during PB's reveal to make sure I had it straight...the fool will get the same result (either dark or light) no matter who he scans, since we've only gotten scan results once so far, how do you know you are the fool?

He said he scanned cronin. A 'correct' cronin scan would show him as dark.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

How do you know you are the fool? I PM'd Clap during PB's reveal to make sure I had it straight...the fool will get the same result (either dark or light) no matter who he scans, since we've only gotten scan results once so far, how do you know you are the fool?

because the fool will always get a scan of either light or dark.

Cronin came back Light in my scan result.

If we assume cronin is the stray he will scan as dark, hance I am the fool.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

How do you know you are the fool? I PM'd Clap during PB's reveal to make sure I had it straight...the fool will get the same result (either dark or light) no matter who he scans, since we've only gotten scan results once so far, how do you know you are the fool?

That doesn't jive with the rules.

As for Lathum, he's saying he's the fool because he scanned cronin as a villager, but since cronin is the stray, if Lathum were the seer, cronin should have scanned wolf.

[jeheinz72]

Wait, Olie is right. It just says you'll always get light or dark, not that you'll always get the wrong answer.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I was thinking hoops was the fool, but you as the fool confuses me.

why?

as a wolf there would really be no reason for me to make this play.
I kind of hope I get killed now so we can clear things up.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Wait, Olie is right. It just says you'll always get light or dark, not that you'll always get the wrong answer.

Olie is not right

[jeheinz72]

I'm confused.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Wait, Olie is right. It just says you'll always get light or dark, not that you'll always get the wrong answer.

But olie said you'll always get the SAME answer. The rules say you always get a RANDOM answer.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That doesn't jive with the rules.

As for Lathum, he's saying he's the fool because he scanned cronin as a villager, but since cronin is the stray, if Lathum were the seer, cronin should have scanned wolf.

Unless I misunderstood what Clap said, he told me that the fool will not get a 'reverse' result, but always get the same result - either light or dark - regardless of who he scans. I was pretty specific when I asked b/c I really didn't believe PB's reveal so I was trying to figure out a way to catch him.

If Cronin's lying, then we can't clear Lathum as the fool. That was my point. Until we have a confirmed role that was scanned, we can't be sure. If Lathum is the fool, he'll have to scan someone and post his results before that person dies and their role/aura is revealed in the player list...

[Coffee Warlord]

Olie IS right on that part. But it's irrelevant. Assuming cronin is the stray, if you are telling the truth about scanning cronin and having him turn up light, then you have to be the fool.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But olie said you'll always get the SAME answer. The rules say you always get a RANDOM answer.

Clap - could you please clarify the "randomness" of the fool scans??? I dont' want to screw up and inadvertantly quote what you told me via PM...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm confused.

every scan the fool performs comes back light or dark regardless of the targets true allegience.

I scanned Cronin.

He came back light.

His claimed role states he should scan as dark.

Hence I am the fool.


Right now I have a COT of Me and Cronin.

[claphamsa]

i guess i should clear this up. stoopid vague rools!

The perisan will always get the same answer, and it is randomy determined befofe the game starts

sorry for the lack of clarity!

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Olie is not right

Yes I am.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Unless I misunderstood what Clap said, he told me that the fool will not get a 'reverse' result, but always get the same result - either light or dark - regardless of who he scans. I was pretty specific when I asked b/c I really didn't believe PB's reveal so I was trying to figure out a way to catch him.

If Cronin's lying, then we can't clear Lathum as the fool. That was my point. Until we have a confirmed role that was scanned, we can't be sure. If Lathum is the fool, he'll have to scan someone and post his results before that person dies and their role/aura is revealed in the player list...

That's a lot different from always getting the same result no matter who you scan. Anyway, that's why lathum asked if everyone trusts cronin before making his reveal.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Clap - could you please clarify the "randomness" of the fool scans??? I dont' want to screw up and inadvertantly quote what you told me via PM...

there is no "randomness"

I specificly checked when I got my role. Every one of the fools scans would either be 100% light or 100% dark

[Coffee Warlord]

Lord are we overcomplicating this.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i guess i should clear this up. stoopid vague rools!

The perisan will always get the same answer, and it is randomy determined befofe the game starts

sorry for the lack of clarity!

Right. So it's different, depending on who you scan.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i guess i should clear this up. stoopid vague rools!

The perisan will always get the same answer, and it is randomy determined befofe the game starts

sorry for the lack of clarity!

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Yes I am.

care to rethink this?

[Passacaglia]

Wait, right?

[Passacaglia]

So clap, are you saying you picked either 'cat' or 'dog' for the Fool, and no matter who the fool scans, they get that one?

[claphamsa]

Olie is completelty right.

the persian will scan everyone the ssame no matter what they are!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So clap, are you saying you picked either 'cat' or 'dog' for the Fool, and no matter who the fool scans, they get that one?

it was random but yes

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Right. So it's different, depending on who you scan.

Jesus christ people.

no. Before the game it is determined if all the fools scans will come back light or dark. The person they scan is irrelavent.

I could scan all 17 people in the game and they would all come back light becuase that is what was determined ahead of time.

[st.cronin]

Either way, the actual seer will get the correct result. Which means Lathum can't be the seer, and neither can hoops, if Pass read the hints right.

[Passacaglia]

But how did both Lathum and hoops get scans wrong?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan T voted for PurdueBrad on day 1.

If we assume PurdueBrad is a doggy, the following people look somewhat suspicious based on day 1 play (note that much of this analysis requires the assumption that hoopsguy is a kitteh):

oliegirl (voted for hoopsguy after PurdueBrad got his 2nd vote)
jeheinz72 (voted for hoopsguy after PB got his 3rd vote)
EagleFan (1st vote on PB, unvoted after Lathum's vote, later voted for hoopsguy)
dangarion (throwaway vote on Lathum)
Seolian (tried to vote for Lathum, then changed his mind)
mccollins (throwaway vote on EagleFan)

On the other hand, the following people look ok:

Lathum (3rd vote on PB, although he later unvoted)
Coffee Warlord (moved to oliegirl after she voted hoops, later moved to PurdueBrad)
Chief Rum (3rd vote on PB)
Passacaglia (despite his hijinks he was the last, and potentially deciding, vote on PB)

There was a very strange sequence where heinz, mccollins, and KWhit all switched to me, and then mccollins later switched OFF of me - it very much looked like he was afraid of having voted for a lynched villager. I also can't really make any sense of Lathum's moves.

Quoted, if I live through the night I'll go over day 2's action.

[Passacaglia]

I gotta go against hoops in that one -- he just hinted rather than revealed, so I think he was just keeping that in his pocket if needed.

[oliegirl]

Alright guys - I'm heading out to the pool for a couple of hours. If I die tonight, look to Lathum...I think he's a wolf and that I've caught him in a fake reveal. The other 2 on my suspect list are still McCollins and Heinz.

Until Cronin is confirmed with his Stray role, we have NO way of knowing if Lathum is telling the truth.

If there is a bodyguard out there who can protect me tonight, please do

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But how did both Lathum and hoops get scans wrong?

where did hoops say anything about a scan?

[Seolian]

So what I am taking away from this is that Lathum and Hoops are not telling the truth and should be punished for this.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But how did both Lathum and hoops get scans wrong?

Either you're wrong and hoops is not the seer, or Lathum is lying. Real simple.

[Lathum]

Olie- explain to me the purpose of fake revealing?

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

Olie is completelty right.

the persian will scan everyone the ssame no matter what they are!

YES!

Thank you Clap...

I'm off the pool now

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But how did both Lathum and hoops get scans wrong?

I don't quite think hoops was hinting at what you say he was hinting at.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Olie- explain to me the purpose of fake revealing?

Because if you are a wolf and come out with a fake reveal as the fool, then you are "harmless" and there is no reason to kill you. Thus you get to stay around and make trouble longer...