NFL 2018 Off Season Thread - Page 3

EagleFan · 02-27-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

- Changing defensive pass interference from a spot foul to a max of 15 yards

Bad change if it passes.

Logan · 02-27-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Bad change if it passes.

As it is, there are too many drive-changing calls by officials either out of position or tasked with watching a complicated play at high speed.

And before we slide down the "well that will just mean DBs will tackle WRs once they are beat" slope...that basically never happens in college. We'll be fine.

PilotMan · 02-27-2018, 02:04 PM

Defensive pass interference has changed too many games late. How many games have been won because of a ticky tacky call that changed the field? It's a good move. The offense has gotten an insane amount of advantages in the last few years, it's time for the defense to get a bone tossed their way, and this helps.

bhlloy · 02-27-2018, 02:35 PM

Yeah I’m a huge fan of that. I do wonder if you can’t let officials call a “major” that is spot of foul in obvious cases of deliberate interference, but given how bad the officiating has been over the last few years simpler might be better.

albionmoonlight · 02-27-2018, 02:41 PM

I am in favor of this change, but I think that it's a close call.

The level of skill in NFL DBs and WRs makes the college comparison of limited utility. You will have some NFL DBs who are good enough that they will be able to tailor their game and play more aggressively on deep balls than they currently do.

albionmoonlight · 02-27-2018, 03:03 PM

Lions tag Ezekiel Ansah.

Probably the right move. He's not consistently elite, but he can get you 10+ sacks when he's on. Pressure is so important in the NFL, that you can't just let that walk in exchange for a compensatory pick.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-27-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

And before we slide down the "well that will just mean DBs will tackle WRs once they are beat" slope...that basically never happens in college.

College basically has a lower percentage of scumbags/desperate individuals.

Logan · 02-27-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

College basically has a lower percentage of scumbags/desperate individuals.

A scorcher!

miami_fan · 02-27-2018, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

College basically has a lower percentage of scumbags/desperate individuals.

Correct. Too many desperate QBs tossing up prayers hoping for the refs to throw a flag.

EDIT: NFL QBs

NobodyHere · 02-27-2018, 07:35 PM

No wonder Blake Bortles stinks

Leonard Fournette tells Blake Bortles to use new contract to fix stinky breath

miami_fan · 02-27-2018, 08:15 PM

Papa John's, NFL end sponsorship deal

stevew · 02-27-2018, 11:17 PM

Maybe you make DPI a 15 yd penalty and the offense gets an untimed down? I dunno. Trying to think outside the box.

Thomkal · 03-01-2018, 04:07 PM

Jim Kelly's cancer has returned:

Former Buffalo Bills QB Jim Kelly to undergo treatment after oral cancer returns

bhlloy · 03-02-2018, 03:20 PM

I love Darnold to death, but I'm pretty sure if I'm the Browns and you told me I could get Barkley #1 and Rosen #4 I would do that in a heartbeat. Barkley is unreal.

MrBug708 · 03-02-2018, 03:38 PM

Rosen is probably going to leave the combine in a much better opinion than people thought. The "bad teammate" rumors are funny because they've essentially turned into a "unnamed sources" who say he's a bad teammate, vs his actual teammates who love him.

stevew · 03-03-2018, 11:00 AM

Cousins supposedly down to the Vikes/Broncos/Jets and Cards.

stevew · 03-03-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

I love Darnold to death, but I'm pretty sure if I'm the Browns and you told me I could get Barkley #1 and Rosen #4 I would do that in a heartbeat. Barkley is unreal.

Browns basically have to take Barkley #1 I think, cause otherwise they'll probably lose him to the Colts at #3?

NobodyHere · 03-03-2018, 03:55 PM

Most mock drafts have the Colts taking Chubb at #3. Who knows what Chris Ballard is thinking though. I don't think we'll really know until we see where the Colts throw cash in free agency.

EagleFan · 03-03-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Browns basically have to take Barkley #1 I think, cause otherwise they'll probably lose him to the Colts at #3?

Giants at 2.

Carman Bulldog · 03-03-2018, 05:26 PM

Last four runningbacks to be drafted anywhere in the top 3:

Trent Richardson - 2012 - 3rd
Reggie Bush - 2006 - 2nd
Ronnie Brown - 2005 - 2nd
Ki-Jana Carter - 1995 - 1st

Atocep · 03-03-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Last four runningbacks to be drafted anywhere in the top 3:

Trent Richardson - 2012 - 3rd
Reggie Bush - 2006 - 2nd
Ronnie Brown - 2005 - 2nd
Ki-Jana Carter - 1995 - 1st

Agreed. Richardson did 25 reps and was a 4.45 at 227 pounds. He had just as much hype as Barkley.

Bush was the next Gayle Sayers.

Taking a RB number 1 overall would be Cleveland thing to do. They didn't go 0-16 because they couldn't run the ball.

miami_fan · 03-06-2018, 04:55 PM

NFL officials Ed Hochuli, Jeff Triplette are retiring

Thomkal · 03-07-2018, 02:39 PM

Michael Bennett traded to the Eagles from Seattle and a potential sad, but good story around the Panthers Christian McCaffrey and 49ers brother Max:

Man unaware Christian McCaffrey, brother Max helped save his life

BishopMVP · 03-07-2018, 03:16 PM

Bennett trade probably means Vinny Curry will be out the door... not sure how much of an upgrade that is.

Btw, as much as the increased salary cap and rollover rules help teams trade more, I also think the push towards yearly roster bonuses instead of initial signing bonuses helps much more Michael Bennett Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

Logan · 03-08-2018, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Goodell Expected to Demand Millions of Dollars From Jerry Jones

I really hope Goodell fails

Dallas Cowboys: NFL, Jerry Jones reach agreement on fees | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

BishopMVP · 03-08-2018, 12:17 PM

Alec Ogletree to the Giants for a 4th + a 6/7 swap. Good deal for the Giants as they've seemingly needed LB's for a decade now. Moving good players (Robert Quinn to Miami too) because they don't fit a 3-4 never seems like great long term strategy, but Rams needed to clear some cap space anyways.

Logan · 03-08-2018, 12:23 PM

Unfortunately for the Giants, they're now moving to a 3-4. I've seen some really bad clips of Ogletree that make it seem like his reputation is well above his play (at least from a consistency POV).

Galaril · 03-08-2018, 10:07 PM

Looks like Broncos were able to trade Talib to the Rams for a 5th rounder.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2018, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Looks like Broncos were able to trade Talib to the Rams for a 5th rounder.

I'm trying to figure out the Rams' gameplan here.

I knew they weren't tagging Trumaine Johnson again, so the Peters deal was a great move to get them a top cover corner. They still have Nigel Robey-Coleman, who was surprisingly good. And Kayvon Webster (although he's really just a backup type abd I expect he will miss some of the next seaso with an Achilles injury).

Then they sign injury-riddled Sam Shields and trade for Talib (is he still good?). And that is besides tagging Lamarcus Joyner at S. No idea what the plan is.

Julio Riddols · 03-09-2018, 06:59 AM

Talib was good when he played in Wade Phillips system before I thought.. So they might squeeze a year out of him.

Warhammer · 03-09-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I'm trying to figure out the Rams' gameplan here.

I knew they weren't tagging Trumaine Johnson again, so the Peters deal was a great move to get them a top cover corner. They still have Nigel Robey-Coleman, who was surprisingly good. And Kayvon Webster (although he's really just a backup type abd I expect he will miss some of the next seaso with an Achilles injury).

Then they sign injury-riddled Sam Shields and trade for Talib (is he still good?). And that is besides tagging Lamarcus Joyner at S. No idea what the plan is.

Apparently Shields is being signed for the veteran minimum. He is a classic case of low risk, high reward if he works out.

Joyner being tagged at S was due to his performance last year. I believe PFF had him rated as the #2 safety in the league last year and another spot had him ranked as the #51 player in the entire NFL last year.

NRC is really a slot corner, everything I read about him does not rank him highly on the outside. I do not know the difference between a slot and outside corner (I figure if you can cover, you can cover so what is the difference), so I will take their word on it.

So their starting secondary is: Talib and Peters at CB (top 5 in the league easily) and Joyner and Johnson at S (Johnson played very well as a rookie). That is a top 5 secondary right there, plus you have NRC at the slot, and Webster and Shields off the bench. That is a top group of starters with great backup core.

They are competing with the Eagles and the Vikings for conference supremacy, along with the Niners who will be better with a full year of Garrapolo under center. All of them will have very good passing attacks. It makes sense to have a great secondary.

My question is what are they doing at LB? I understand getting rid of Ogletree or Quinn, but both at the same time is questionable. Who are they getting to replace them? The only returning starter as of right now is Barron.

stevew · 03-09-2018, 03:56 PM

Thank god the Steelers are releasing mike mitchell. One of the biggest POS dirty players in the league and probably my all time least favorite Steeler ever.

miami_fan · 03-09-2018, 05:04 PM

The Browns out here doing work! Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor in for draft picks.

AlexB · 03-09-2018, 05:12 PM

Glad i spent money on a #14 Landry T-shirt a couple of months ago! Only a tenner, but not worn it yet

miami_fan · 03-09-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

The Browns out here doing work! Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor in for draft picks.

And now Damarious Randall from the Packers.

NobodyHere · 03-09-2018, 06:07 PM

Did Kevin Costner sneak into the Brown's front office again?

Atocep · 03-09-2018, 06:15 PM

I'm amazed they got a serviceable 25 year old corner for Kizer.

NobodyHere · 03-09-2018, 06:17 PM

So do the Browns still take a QB with their top picks? Or do they build around Tyrod Taylor? Perhaps they draft Barkley and trade the other pick.

Atocep · 03-09-2018, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So do the Browns still take a QB with their top picks? Or do they build around Tyrod Taylor? Perhaps they draft Barkley and trade the other pick.

The smart play would be to trade out of 1 to whoever wants a QB or Barkley the most and then see what falls to them at 4. If they could get Chubb and and either Fitzpatrick, James, or Ward (with the pick that get for #1) that would be a hell of job filling holes in that roster.

EagleFan · 03-09-2018, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

The smart play would be to trade out of 1 to whoever wants a QB or Barkley the most and then see what falls to them at 4. If they could get Chubb and and either Fitzpatrick, James, or Ward (with the pick that get for #1) that would be a hell of job filling holes in that roster.

But what will the Browns do?

MrBug708 · 03-09-2018, 06:30 PM

The Browns when that direct deposit hits

Danny · 03-09-2018, 07:15 PM

I think getting randall, taylor and landry for kizer a 3rd and 4th is pretty damn good.

Thomkal · 03-09-2018, 07:38 PM

Richard Sherman released by Seattle

B & B · 03-10-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexB

Glad i spent money on a #14 Landry T-shirt a couple of months ago! Only a tenner, but not worn it yet

Bought my Abdullah #21 jersey shirt for about $30 (personalized + shipped) and really feel the same way about it despite wearing a dozen or so times since drafted.

Atocep · 03-10-2018, 12:05 PM

Browns decided to go back to being the Browns today and traded Danny Shelton and a 5th for a 2019 3rd.

Galaril · 03-10-2018, 02:34 PM

Talking say Tyrod is nothing more than a bridge QB for the Browns and they will draft a QB at #4

Vince, Pt. II · 03-10-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Richard Sherman released by Seattle

Rumor has it the 49ers have already approached him and there is interest from both sides.

thesloppy · 03-10-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Talking say Tyrod is nothing more than a bridge QB for the Browns and they will draft a QB at #4

The Browns could probably use a bridge QB and give at least one kid a year to develop without putting the entire organization on his shoulders. That said, they've TRIED to bring in bridge QBs before, and somehow the 6th string rookie development project is still starting games come mid-season.

Thomkal · 03-10-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Rumor has it the 49ers have already approached him and there is interest from both sides.

Yep he's getting a physical is what I saw. Seems to be a good fit.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2018, 04:20 PM

OBJ might want to ban cell phones from his hotel rooms...

02-27-2018, 02:04 PM	#103
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Defensive pass interference has changed too many games late. How many games have been won because of a ticky tacky call that changed the field? It's a good move. The offense has gotten an insane amount of advantages in the last few years, it's time for the defense to get a bone tossed their way, and this helps. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

02-27-2018, 02:41 PM	#105
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I am in favor of this change, but I think that it's a close call. The level of skill in NFL DBs and WRs makes the college comparison of limited utility. You will have some NFL DBs who are good enough that they will be able to tailor their game and play more aggressively on deep balls than they currently do. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 02-27-2018 at 02:42 PM.

02-27-2018, 07:35 PM	#110
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	No wonder Blake Bortles stinks Leonard Fournette tells Blake Bortles to use new contract to fix stinky breath __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

02-27-2018, 08:15 PM	#111
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Papa John's, NFL end sponsorship deal __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-01-2018, 04:07 PM	#113
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Jim Kelly's cancer has returned: Former Buffalo Bills QB Jim Kelly to undergo treatment after oral cancer returns __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

02-27-2018, 02:35 PM	#104
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Yeah I’m a huge fan of that. I do wonder if you can’t let officials call a “major” that is spot of foul in obvious cases of deliberate interference, but given how bad the officiating has been over the last few years simpler might be better.

02-27-2018, 03:03 PM	#106
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Lions tag Ezekiel Ansah. Probably the right move. He's not consistently elite, but he can get you 10+ sacks when he's on. Pressure is so important in the NFL, that you can't just let that walk in exchange for a compensatory pick.

02-27-2018, 11:17 PM	#112
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Maybe you make DPI a 15 yd penalty and the offense gets an untimed down? I dunno. Trying to think outside the box.

03-02-2018, 03:20 PM	#114
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I love Darnold to death, but I'm pretty sure if I'm the Browns and you told me I could get Barkley #1 and Rosen #4 I would do that in a heartbeat. Barkley is unreal.

03-02-2018, 03:38 PM	#115
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Rosen is probably going to leave the combine in a much better opinion than people thought. The "bad teammate" rumors are funny because they've essentially turned into a "unnamed sources" who say he's a bad teammate, vs his actual teammates who love him.

03-03-2018, 11:00 AM	#116
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Cousins supposedly down to the Vikes/Broncos/Jets and Cards.

03-03-2018, 03:55 PM	#118
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Most mock drafts have the Colts taking Chubb at #3. Who knows what Chris Ballard is thinking though. I don't think we'll really know until we see where the Colts throw cash in free agency. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-03-2018, 05:26 PM	#120
Carman Bulldog College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada	Last four runningbacks to be drafted anywhere in the top 3: Trent Richardson - 2012 - 3rd Reggie Bush - 2006 - 2nd Ronnie Brown - 2005 - 2nd Ki-Jana Carter - 1995 - 1st

03-06-2018, 04:55 PM	#122
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	NFL officials Ed Hochuli, Jeff Triplette are retiring __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-07-2018, 02:39 PM	#123
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Michael Bennett traded to the Eagles from Seattle and a potential sad, but good story around the Panthers Christian McCaffrey and 49ers brother Max: Man unaware Christian McCaffrey, brother Max helped save his life __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-07-2018, 03:16 PM	#124
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Bennett trade probably means Vinny Curry will be out the door... not sure how much of an upgrade that is. Btw, as much as the increased salary cap and rollover rules help teams trade more, I also think the push towards yearly roster bonuses instead of initial signing bonuses helps much more Michael Bennett Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses \| Spotrac

03-08-2018, 12:17 PM	#126
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Alec Ogletree to the Giants for a 4th + a 6/7 swap. Good deal for the Giants as they've seemingly needed LB's for a decade now. Moving good players (Robert Quinn to Miami too) because they don't fit a 3-4 never seems like great long term strategy, but Rams needed to clear some cap space anyways.

03-08-2018, 12:23 PM	#127
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Unfortunately for the Giants, they're now moving to a 3-4. I've seen some really bad clips of Ogletree that make it seem like his reputation is well above his play (at least from a consistency POV).

03-08-2018, 10:07 PM	#128
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Looks like Broncos were able to trade Talib to the Rams for a 5th rounder.

03-09-2018, 06:59 AM	#130
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Talib was good when he played in Wade Phillips system before I thought.. So they might squeeze a year out of him. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

03-09-2018, 03:56 PM	#132
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Thank god the Steelers are releasing mike mitchell. One of the biggest POS dirty players in the league and probably my all time least favorite Steeler ever.

03-09-2018, 05:04 PM	#133
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	The Browns out here doing work! Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor in for draft picks. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-09-2018, 05:12 PM	#134
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Glad i spent money on a #14 Landry T-shirt a couple of months ago! Only a tenner, but not worn it yet __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

03-09-2018, 06:07 PM	#136
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Did Kevin Costner sneak into the Brown's front office again? __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-09-2018, 06:15 PM	#137
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I'm amazed they got a serviceable 25 year old corner for Kizer.

03-09-2018, 06:17 PM	#138
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	So do the Browns still take a QB with their top picks? Or do they build around Tyrod Taylor? Perhaps they draft Barkley and trade the other pick. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-09-2018, 06:30 PM	#141
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	The Browns when that direct deposit hits

03-09-2018, 07:15 PM	#142
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think getting randall, taylor and landry for kizer a 3rd and 4th is pretty damn good.

03-09-2018, 07:38 PM	#143
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Richard Sherman released by Seattle __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-10-2018, 12:05 PM	#145
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Browns decided to go back to being the Browns today and traded Danny Shelton and a 5th for a 2019 3rd.

03-10-2018, 02:34 PM	#146
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Talking say Tyrod is nothing more than a bridge QB for the Browns and they will draft a QB at #4

03-10-2018, 04:20 PM	#150
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	OBJ might want to ban cell phones from his hotel rooms... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

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