2012-13 NBA Regular Season Thread, Feel the Heat - Page 4

Desnudo · 11-03-2012, 03:35 PM

Or maybe Durant was his Mark David Chapman

whomario · 11-03-2012, 05:48 PM

As for the Lakers, the preseason should have set up big red warning lights for the people in charge. I know, i know ... "It´s only preseason", but loosing is never helpfull and the Lakers lost all 8 preseason games (that´s now 11 losses in a row, no matter the setting such a streak takes it´s toll). At some point they´ll have to simplify things on both ends and work stuff in bit for bit rather than all at once.

Besides that, i´m dumbfounded how anyone would figure a Princeton offense as the way to go with Nash and Howard as you aditions...

samifan24 · 11-03-2012, 06:46 PM

The Nets' new mascot is just weird. The Brooklyn Knight. I'll post video once it becomes available.

Cap Ologist · 11-03-2012, 06:58 PM

Princeton offenses don't work. Just look at the Cowboys.

Groundhog · 11-04-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whomario

Besides that, i´m dumbfounded how anyone would figure a Princeton offense as the way to go with Nash and Howard as you aditions...

Yah, IMO they need just about the least elaborate playbook outside of Miami. Princeton is a good option if you aren't as individually skilled as your opponents because it works to get your guys shots, but when you have some of the best passers, creators, and finishers in the league... well... I don't see the point. It's basically the "zone defense" of offenses.

Have the ball in Nash or Kobe's hands, run a p'n'r with Howard/Gasol, and score points.

The defense is a worry though. I see no reason why this unit should be so bad on that end of the court, outside of lack of confidence thanks to how poorly they are scoring it.

Neon_Chaos · 11-04-2012, 01:08 AM

Lakers just need to cut down on turnovers by 10, and they are unstoppable.

korme · 11-04-2012, 09:03 PM

Just realized I have a free preview of League Pass... this might be worth the money

Groundhog · 11-04-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Lakers just need to cut down on turnovers by 10, and they are unstoppable.

...or play the Pistons every game.

Westbrook with another stinker as the Thunder lose at home to a Josh Smith-less Hawks. Youch. Durant 2 assists off a triple-double (...and 4 turnovers off a quad...). Martin taking up the scoring role of Harden off the bench, but doesn't bring any of the other stuff Harden did.

Groundhog · 11-04-2012, 10:46 PM

Johnny Flynn just signed with an Aussie pro team... Highest profile player we've had since Todd Fuller!

Desnudo · 11-05-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by korme

Just realized I have a free preview of League Pass... this might be worth the money

NBA League Pass Broadband Is Shit, And You Should Not Buy It

Groundhog · 11-05-2012, 03:42 PM

I personally think it's fantastic, but that's because, outside of NBA.tv, there is no way to catch more than 2 or 3 games a week over here, nearly all containing either Miami or Lakers.

stevew · 11-05-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Just realized I have a free preview of League Pass... this might be worth the money

On DirecTV? I was checking it out, but I work evenings and I don't get home early enough to catch all of the west coast games.

sterlingice · 11-05-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

I personally think it's fantastic, but that's because, outside of NBA.tv, there is no way to catch more than 2 or 3 games a week over here, nearly all containing either Miami or Lakers.

I have no way of watching Rockets games right now since Comcast is in a pissing match with every other Houston cable company to try and gouge them for Comcast Sports: Houston.

The only option would be to, ahem, stream it online and that's not a good answer

SI

molson · 11-05-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Johnny Flynn just signed with an Aussie pro team... Highest profile player we've had since Todd Fuller!

Shit, what the hell happened to him?

Groundhog · 11-05-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Shit, what the hell happened to him?

Well injuries have pretty much killed his NBA career at this point, I Imagine he's using our league to get himself in shape for a big contract in China or Europe - most likely China.

We don't pay nearly as well as China or Europe (I'm guessing he'll get around $250K on the books here, maybe twice that with some common-yet-illegal sponsorship boosting) but the lifestyle down here is definitely better than most Euro leagues, and with generally just one game per week and travel between cities by plane, it's an easier transition for an NBA player than being crowded into the back of a team bus travelling 10 hours to a city you can't pronounce.

stevew · 11-05-2012, 04:39 PM

Oh man....we're getting tough on flopping already

Glad to see them going after well known players, not.

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J.J. Barea and Donald Sloan were the first players to receive a warning for violating the NBA's new flopping rule.

Both players will receive a $5,000 fine for their next flopping violation.

Groundhog · 11-05-2012, 04:49 PM

lol @ these. Not saying they weren't exaggerated, but these hardly seem like the worst flops in the world. Fredette pushed off with his arm and I think it was more the hip-to-hip contact with Hinrich that pushed Sloan and Hinrich over:

Barea Receives Flopping Warning | NBA.com
Sloan Receives Flopping Warning | NBA.com

molson · 11-05-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Well injuries have pretty much killed his NBA career at this point, I Imagine he's using our league to get himself in shape for a big contract in China or Europe - most likely China.

We don't pay nearly as well as China or Europe (I'm guessing he'll get around $250K on the books here, maybe twice that with some common-yet-illegal sponsorship boosting) but the lifestyle down here is definitely better than most Euro leagues, and with generally just one game per week and travel between cities by plane, it's an easier transition for an NBA player than being crowded into the back of a team bus travelling 10 hours to a city you can't pronounce.

I watched most of his games at Syracuse but don't follow the NBA very closely so I was surprised to see was already out of the league. Ya, I can see the appeal of playing in Australia, I think another Syracuse guy, Eric Devendorf, played in that league after his New Zealand team cut him for getting in a bar fight or something.

sovereignstar v2 · 11-05-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Shit, what the hell happened to him?

He was drafted by the Timberwolves.

Groundhog · 11-05-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I watched most of his games at Syracuse but don't follow the NBA very closely so I was surprised to see was already out of the league. Ya, I can see the appeal of playing in Australia, I think another Syracuse guy, Eric Devendorf, played in that league after his New Zealand team cut him for getting in a bar fight or something.

Yeah Devendorf was here for a season (or part of a season...) with the same team actually. Unfortunately for him it was as part of the most misguided attempts at building a team in our league history, as they had Devendorf and a very undersized PG (5'8) teamed with 3 immobile PF/Cs in the starting 5. Devendorf could play, but he had no chance with that horrendous squad... and lots of losses generally leads to your imports getting released, which is what happened to him.

Groundhog · 11-06-2012, 04:30 AM

Impressive win by the Cavs over the Clippers today. Turnovers killed the Clips, but Irving came up big in the final minutes after a rough game, and Waiters just could not miss, 7/11 from 3pt. Good to see the bench contribute anything as well, with Zeller having a nice night, and Miles remembering how to score the ball.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-06-2012, 07:31 AM

yep, that's waiters. if he's feeling it he's unguardable.

the timberwolves are shockingly white.

BishopMVP · 11-06-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

the timberwolves are shockingly white.

Civil rights leaders question Timberwolves racial makeup

Chief Rum · 11-06-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Impressive win by the Cavs over the Clippers today. Turnovers killed the Clips, but Irving came up big in the final minutes after a rough game, and Waiters just could not miss, 7/11 from 3pt. Good to see the bench contribute anything as well, with Zeller having a nice night, and Miles remembering how to score the ball.

And as a counterpoint a disturbing loss for the Clippers. Too many jump shots on offense, not enough ball movement. And on defense, although you figure Irving will get his, and Waiters was just unconscious, it's criminal to let Varejao just uncontested shots from 15 feet out or to let Zeller have a big game against you.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-06-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Civil rights leaders question Timberwolves racial makeup

it'd be easy to dismiss if it wasn't minnesota. imagine some marketing email leaking --white players sell more jerseys in our demo--

BishopMVP · 11-06-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

it'd be easy to dismiss if it wasn't minnesota. imagine some marketing email leaking --white players sell more jerseys in our demo--

It would be harder for me to dismiss if the articles and quotes didn't try to use Andrei Kirilenko, Nikola Pekovic, Ricky Rubio, and of course Jose Juan Barea as evidence (Kevin Love seems to get a pass). If someone is arguing that they're getting guys like Chase Budinger and Greg Stiemsma over equally or marginally more talented players to fill out the end of their bench, I have no room to throw stones as a fan of a team who paid Brian Scalabrine to be an oversized mascot, but going after 3 legitimate starters (2 on cheap contracts) and a Puerto Rican seems to be pushing it.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-06-2012, 01:27 PM

i was just joshin as the kids say

maybe kahn's discovered some market inefficiency

Groundhog · 11-06-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

And as a counterpoint a disturbing loss for the Clippers. Too many jump shots on offense, not enough ball movement. And on defense, although you figure Irving will get his, and Waiters was just unconscious, it's criminal to let Varejao just uncontested shots from 15 feet out or to let Zeller have a big game against you.

I think the scouting report on Varejao has been to give him that shot over playing up on him and letting him drive to the basket or giving him more space to pass to cutters near the hoop, but he's been knocking those down so far this season at a pretty good clip. Makes him a tough guard.

I don't know if Zeller will ever be bulky enough to amount to much, but he is surprisingly good from one step inside the 3pt line. Hasn't shown a great deal else so far.

stevew · 11-06-2012, 03:51 PM

I kind of decided that I wasn't watching the Cavs as long as Boobie is still playing for them. I may have to break this promise. It's so awesome we spent all offseason not bothering to try to get better...I mean why would we want to even attempt to try if tanking is some utopia of awesomeness and we're guaranteed to get good picks/players.

Groundhog · 11-06-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I kind of decided that I wasn't watching the Cavs as long as Boobie is still playing for them. I may have to break this promise. It's so awesome we spent all offseason not bothering to try to get better...I mean why would we want to even attempt to try if tanking is some utopia of awesomeness and we're guaranteed to get good picks/players.

Boobie is still getting too many minutes but at least he is purely playing the role he is suited for - ie. shoot a 3 anytime he has some space. There is no alternative to Boobie unfortunately (outside of Donald Sloan who is a marginal NBA player at best), as we have stockpiled 11th and 12th-men level 'talents' at SF/PF at the expense of any guards.

I kinda think we might have been better off keeping the picks we traded for Zeller and picked up some depth, as this is looking like a strong draft as far as rotation players go.

Cavs are definitely more enjoyable to watch this year than the last couple though, even outside of just Irving. Waiters looks like he's always on the verge of doing something great, and Varejao is probably my favourite player in the league right now based on the number of awesome non-scoring plays he's had over the first handful of games.

stevew · 11-06-2012, 04:15 PM

Andy's def one of my favorite players of all time. I'll probably make it to a game or two this season if they can at least feign like we're going to be decent.

Also, I was thinking that we should try to acquire Tyreke Evans at some point this year if he's available. He can legitimately create offense. He'd be worth trying out for 20-30 games before he is eligible for restricted FA this offseason.

Groundhog · 11-06-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

It would be harder for me to dismiss if the articles and quotes didn't try to use Andrei Kirilenko, Nikola Pekovic, Ricky Rubio, and of course Jose Juan Barea as evidence (Kevin Love seems to get a pass). If someone is arguing that they're getting guys like Chase Budinger and Greg Stiemsma over equally or marginally more talented players to fill out the end of their bench, I have no room to throw stones as a fan of a team who paid Brian Scalabrine to be an oversized mascot, but going after 3 legitimate starters (2 on cheap contracts) and a Puerto Rican seems to be pushing it.

I have no insight into how the TWolves work, but I've just figured they've gone the same sort of path as Toronto. They aren't going to be able to attract big name FAs, so they've put together a group of guys that are perhaps a little underrated and have a good chance of sticking around if they perform well, rather than be lured away to bigger markets. The fact that these guys happen to be white(ish)... well, that's probably why they are underrated in the first place.

M GO BLUE!!! · 11-06-2012, 06:06 PM

Knickerbockers look good so far this preseason.

whomario · 11-08-2012, 02:21 AM

Dallas (4-1) and Minny (3-1) so far doing a good job staying afloat without their star players. OJ Mayo has been terrific so

marc gasol has 23 assists and 4 TOs through the first 4 games

spleen1015 · 11-08-2012, 08:02 AM

With Granger out for 3 months, the Pacers are in big trouble. I don't think they'll make the playoffs because he'll end up being out longer than that.

Chief Rum · 11-08-2012, 10:31 AM

3-0 versus playoff teams. 0-2 versus lottery teams.

Your Los Angeles Clippers, ladies and gentlemen.

Groundhog · 11-08-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

With Granger out for 3 months, the Pacers are in big trouble. I don't think they'll make the playoffs because he'll end up being out longer than that.

...and my NBA Fantasy Team nightmare continues...

stevew · 11-08-2012, 05:00 PM

Varejao hurt already? hopefully he's back soon.

Groundhog · 11-08-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Varejao hurt already? hopefully he's back soon.

Yeah doesn't sound like it's anything major. Zeller and Varejao being down at the same time gives us probably the worst big guy rotation in the universe.

Radii · 11-08-2012, 10:05 PM

Kevin Garnett Gave A Weird, Profane Postgame Screed On Team Chemistry And Comcast

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You can't speed chemistry up. The more you practice, the more you get familiar with each other. There's no hit the fast forward button here. You got Comcast. Some shows you can't fast forward through, you got to let it go through and watch the silly-ass commercials and be pissed, right? This is what this is. Did I just take a shot at Comcast? Fuck it, I did. So what. I'm a Direct-TV guy anyway. Anyway look, this is what this. I'm not helping myself am I? Fuck it, anyway that's what's this is.

fucking comcast!

Logan · 11-09-2012, 12:07 PM

Lakers fired Mike Brown.

bulletsponge · 11-09-2012, 12:09 PM

it would be hilarious if they hire stan van gundy

heybrad · 11-09-2012, 12:10 PM

So is Phil coming back?

bulletsponge · 11-09-2012, 12:13 PM

im also convinced the only thing interesting about the nba regular season is the off the court drama

Logan · 11-09-2012, 12:14 PM

D'Antoni?

MrBug708 · 11-09-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

D'Antoni?

There was a small rumor

molson · 11-09-2012, 12:27 PM

Geez, it's 5 regular season NBA games. Kobe or somebody must have wanted him gone for a while, or there must be someone they really, really want to bring in, and this is the excuse to do it.

stevew · 11-09-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Lakers fired Mike Brown.

awesome.

stevew · 11-09-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Geez, it's 5 regular season NBA games. Kobe or somebody must have wanted him gone for a while, or there must be someone they really, really want to bring in, and this is the excuse to do it.

That and the fact that he's a fucking horrible coach.

whomario · 11-09-2012, 12:45 PM

Imo, whoever new takes over will (and should) simply let the players sort it out. Without training camp, you can´t do much else really.

And to be honest, D´Antoni makes sense.

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11-03-2012, 05:48 PM	#152
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	As for the Lakers, the preseason should have set up big red warning lights for the people in charge. I know, i know ... "It´s only preseason", but loosing is never helpfull and the Lakers lost all 8 preseason games (that´s now 11 losses in a row, no matter the setting such a streak takes it´s toll). At some point they´ll have to simplify things on both ends and work stuff in bit for bit rather than all at once. Besides that, i´m dumbfounded how anyone would figure a Princeton offense as the way to go with Nash and Howard as you aditions... __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

11-03-2012, 06:46 PM	#153
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	The Nets' new mascot is just weird. The Brooklyn Knight. I'll post video once it becomes available. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

11-04-2012, 01:08 AM	#156
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Lakers just need to cut down on turnovers by 10, and they are unstoppable. __________________ Come and see.

11-04-2012, 10:46 PM	#159
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Johnny Flynn just signed with an Aussie pro team... Highest profile player we've had since Todd Fuller! __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

11-03-2012, 03:35 PM	#151
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Or maybe Durant was his Mark David Chapman

11-03-2012, 06:58 PM	#154
Cap Ologist College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Flower Mound, TX	Princeton offenses don't work. Just look at the Cowboys.

11-04-2012, 09:03 PM	#157
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Just realized I have a free preview of League Pass... this might be worth the money

11-05-2012, 03:42 PM	#161
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I personally think it's fantastic, but that's because, outside of NBA.tv, there is no way to catch more than 2 or 3 games a week over here, nearly all containing either Miami or Lakers. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

11-05-2012, 04:49 PM	#167
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	lol @ these. Not saying they weren't exaggerated, but these hardly seem like the worst flops in the world. Fredette pushed off with his arm and I think it was more the hip-to-hip contact with Hinrich that pushed Sloan and Hinrich over: Barea Receives Flopping Warning \| NBA.com Sloan Receives Flopping Warning \| NBA.com __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

11-06-2012, 04:30 AM	#171
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Impressive win by the Cavs over the Clippers today. Turnovers killed the Clips, but Irving came up big in the final minutes after a rough game, and Waiters just could not miss, 7/11 from 3pt. Good to see the bench contribute anything as well, with Zeller having a nice night, and Miles remembering how to score the ball. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

11-06-2012, 07:31 AM	#172
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	yep, that's waiters. if he's feeling it he's unguardable. the timberwolves are shockingly white.

11-06-2012, 01:27 PM	#177
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	i was just joshin as the kids say maybe kahn's discovered some market inefficiency

11-06-2012, 03:51 PM	#179
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I kind of decided that I wasn't watching the Cavs as long as Boobie is still playing for them. I may have to break this promise. It's so awesome we spent all offseason not bothering to try to get better...I mean why would we want to even attempt to try if tanking is some utopia of awesomeness and we're guaranteed to get good picks/players.

11-06-2012, 04:15 PM	#181
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Andy's def one of my favorite players of all time. I'll probably make it to a game or two this season if they can at least feign like we're going to be decent. Also, I was thinking that we should try to acquire Tyreke Evans at some point this year if he's available. He can legitimately create offense. He'd be worth trying out for 20-30 games before he is eligible for restricted FA this offseason.

11-06-2012, 06:06 PM	#183
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Knickerbockers look good so far this preseason.

11-08-2012, 02:21 AM	#184
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Dallas (4-1) and Minny (3-1) so far doing a good job staying afloat without their star players. OJ Mayo has been terrific so marc gasol has 23 assists and 4 TOs through the first 4 games __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 11-08-2012 at 02:22 AM.

11-08-2012, 08:02 AM	#185
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	With Granger out for 3 months, the Pacers are in big trouble. I don't think they'll make the playoffs because he'll end up being out longer than that. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

11-08-2012, 10:31 AM	#186
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	3-0 versus playoff teams. 0-2 versus lottery teams. Your Los Angeles Clippers, ladies and gentlemen. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-08-2012, 05:00 PM	#188
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Varejao hurt already? hopefully he's back soon.

11-09-2012, 12:07 PM	#191
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Lakers fired Mike Brown.

11-09-2012, 12:09 PM	#192
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	it would be hilarious if they hire stan van gundy

11-09-2012, 12:10 PM	#193
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA	So is Phil coming back?

11-09-2012, 12:13 PM	#194
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	im also convinced the only thing interesting about the nba regular season is the off the court drama

11-09-2012, 12:14 PM	#195
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	D'Antoni?

11-09-2012, 12:27 PM	#197
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Geez, it's 5 regular season NBA games. Kobe or somebody must have wanted him gone for a while, or there must be someone they really, really want to bring in, and this is the excuse to do it.

11-09-2012, 12:45 PM	#200
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Imo, whoever new takes over will (and should) simply let the players sort it out. Without training camp, you can´t do much else really. And to be honest, D´Antoni makes sense. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

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