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Old 06-10-2021, 08:19 AM   #1
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Old Man Tennis (real life)

Following on the heals of Young Drachma’s great real life tennis coaching dynasty, I thought I’d post one on my upcoming tennis season.

It’s been about 15 years since I played tennis in any competitive league, so be glad you’re just going to read about how I do and you aren’t forced to watch my old, fat ass run (wobble?) around the court. My absence from the sport started with a wrist injury and then was prolonged as I focused on my kids and their sports, specifically their swimming. When I was younger, I was a team captain for around 9 years, and our teams progressed to a relatively high level, but absence from the sport, combined with age and increased weight has made my return difficult to say the least.

Let’s start with a quick overview of the league. In Atlanta we have a tennis organization called ALTA which is huge. It had around 80,000 members pre-pandemic (around 50,000 currently), and is the largest tennis-based community organization in the world*. Unlike USTA which gives each player a rating, and then the player finds a team at that level or higher to play on, ALTA simply rates a team and promotes/demotes teams to higher or lower levels based on the results of the season (demotions are much less likely and usually are only considered if the captain requests it). Obviously, this creates some significant variance in the quality of the players on each team. ALTA’s ranking system goes from AA-1 down to C9 (that’s my recollection - I honestly didn’t look it back up), with each division typically consisting of 8 teams. The regular season is a round robin format where you play each team in your conference and you earn a point for each match won, with the conference winner and the runner up making the playoffs (occasionally a 3rd place team slips into the playoffs if the division doesn’t have 8 conferences). Unlike USTA, there are no singles, all 5 matches in a week are doubles.

I don’t know much about my team other than it’s a Senior Mens’ team and it’s playing C-1. This is an offshoot team my best friend has been on for a couple of seasons (just regular men’s league – this is the first senior team they have fielded), and he asked me to join. I believe the minimum age to compete is 45. It took a while before I could be added due to an error the captain made, but now that I’m on the roster I can tell the conference has only 7 teams so the schedule consists of 6 matches and a bye week. Also the matches are just 4 doubles not 5. It also appears like the team is going to struggle to get 8 players ever week, so I expect quite a few forfeits.

Recently, the only practice I’ve had is playing with my best friend every Monday night. We hit around and work on stuff, then play a set or two afterwards. In total, I’ve only hit 8 or so times and it’s been all singles to this point. The team practices are on Thursdays and the matches are Friday nights. The first Thursday practice was rained out, and the first week of the season was our teams bye week. Also looks like practice today (6/10) will also be rained out.

How about an honest assessment of my game? Well I’m pretty average.

Style of play – In my younger days I played a backboard type of game. I wasn’t a pusher, I have some ok strokes, but I definitely moved well, covered a lot of court and forced my opponent to hit an extra shot. Now that I’m older, I cover significantly less court, and the redirection of my body takes much longer to accomplish. Also I get winded much easier so recovering from long runs is difficult. It’s still the only way I really know how to play though, so I do the best I can with that approach. I have become better at picking spots and simply applauding shots I would have tried to track down in the past.

Forehand – I play more of a control racket so I generate my own power and when I’m hitting well I have a heavy top spin shot that I can keep deep in the court. The only drawback is, because I have a lot of top spin, the ball can be high where it crosses the net, which makes poaching it easy at times, especially against a strong net player.

Backhand – in my younger days I was almost exclusively a cut backhand. I was pretty good at keeping it low and having it skid. I had a top spin backhand, but I almost never used it because I didn’t have any confidence in it. Now that I’m older and I have no reasonable expectation of being good, I hit the top spin backhand more frequently. I still cut most of what I hit though. I’d say I’ve gone from 2% top spin backhands to around 30%.

Net – I have never been great at the net. A lot of drilling allowed me to call myself average, but now with absence and age – I’m terrible. I have a hard time focusing on a ball coming right at me and I’m slow to react. I’m going to need to get this improved for doubles or I’m really going to hamper my partner

Serve – this has been the big surprise. My serve is actually better now than it was before. It takes forever for my shoulder to loosen up, but once it does I’ve been strong serving in my Monday matches. Some of it may go back to the no expectation comment from above, but my serve is more consistently powerful and I don’t really have a second serve any longer, I just hit the same serve all the time. My double fault totals are up slightly but my service winners/aces are up disproportionately higher, so it’s a good trade off.

Return of serve – this has always been one of my strengths. In fact, in singles, it was common for me to beat my brother, who’s really a better player than I am because his top spin serve was right in my wheelhouse, and I’d drill the return deep at his feet and give him fits. Unfortunately, I’m not sure how my return of serve is currently. My best friend has a monster serve that he changes frequently in spin, placement, and speed, which makes it difficult for me to get into a groove. I’ve had some strong moments against him, so I think I’ll be ok.

The team was hoping to add my bother and me, but my brother played on a team ranked higher than this one last season so he’s unavailable. They were planning to add both of us to the men’s team roster in the fall, but it’s looking more and more like this team won’t survive to field a team in the fall – so I’ll be looking for a team to join in a few months.

*note – from the ALTA Website.

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Old 06-10-2021, 08:38 AM   #2
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Week 2 - Shakerag Subdivision

This Friday, weather permitting, I will be playing the 3 line. My best friend Joe will be playing the top line.

We are playing Shakerag Subdivision, it's too early to draw any meaningful conclusions on the season, but Shakerag was skunked in their first week. They could end up being the second best team in the division, but they could also be the easiest team we will face all season.

I know nothing about my partner - Kevin. I've never even met him, so if we get rained out of practice tonight, we will be meeting for the first time right before we step on the court as partners. Hardly a recipe for good play, but it doesn't really matter, I expect with forfeits our team is going to end up 5 in the division.
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Old 06-11-2021, 01:11 AM   #3
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For those unfamiliar with ALTA, I'd say it falls somewhere between a religion and a cult for many of those who play.

I'm kidding (sort of) ... but not by a lot
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:57 AM   #4
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For those unfamiliar with ALTA, I'd say it falls somewhere between a religion and a cult for many of those who play.

I'm kidding (sort of) ... but not by a lot

I was full fledged member of said cult in my younger days...my team was really good and we played all the time. Heck, we'd get finished with matches on Saturdays, then stay afterwards and play each other for several more sets.
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Old 06-11-2021, 07:01 AM   #5
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We were rained out last nights, so I will meet my partner right before we start playing. However, it might not be tonight given there is still a 30 or greater chance of rain all day, and all it would take is a quick shower at the wrong time to wash out the match.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:22 PM   #6
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I was full fledged member of said cult in my younger days...my team was really good and we played all the time. Heck, we'd get finished with matches on Saturdays, then stay afterwards and play each other for several more sets.

It's a catch-22 I think. Because so many are obsessive about it, in order to be competitive you kind of have to be obsessive. (Not dissimilar to younger age groups in the state really)

It mostly reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: How do you spot the ALTA member at a funeral? She's the one in a tennis dress.
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:26 PM   #7
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You know I'm here for it. I'd almost move for a place where tennis was more organized at the local level, here it's so clubby and stuffy and for no good reason. It makes me want to do something else, so I mostly avoid it.
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Old 06-12-2021, 08:51 AM   #8
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Match 1 vs Shakerag

We actually got the match in, which seems like a miracle given the weather conditions at the time. In fact, it was sprinkling at my house when I left, but 15 miles away where we played everything was dry. Humid but dry.

The warm ups for our match were short, which I definitely didn't need, having not gotten an opportunity to hit in over a week. But here is how the first set went:

They won the toss and elected to serve:

First set

- Break - (1-0)
- my partner had me serve first - and I was hitting my serves pretty good but I ended up losing the point after 5 deuce games (1-1)
- Break (2-1)
- We held (3-1)
- They held (3-2)
- My serve again, and again it was a long service game (4 deuces) and I served well but still lost my serve (3-3)
- Break (4-3)
- We held (5-3)
- They held (5-4)
- My serve - 3rd time and yet another long service game (3 deuces) but I held this time and we won the first set. (6-4)

First set wrap up: The 6-4 score didn't really indicate how much better we played than our opponent. Obviously, with 3 breaks of serve we should have won that going away. The biggest problem was my serve, but when I say I was serving well - I only had 1 double fault in that entire set, so I wasn't giving away my serve. There were some jitters on my part - which seems stupid, but I was a bit shaky from nervous energy. We made way to many boneheaded shots and bad times. But the biggest issue was our lack of familiarity - on several of my serves, Kevin (partner) and I were crossed up. He made a play to poach but then changed his mind and I was already moving to cover, that kind of stuff. I was hoping we'd do better with that in the second set.

Second Set

- They held (1-0)
- We held (1-1)
- They held (2-1)
- I held - another long service game but we pulled it out (2-2)
- They held (3-2)
- We were broken (4-2) - my partner double faulted 2x in this game which hurt
- They held (5-2)
- My serve - I go down 0-40..at which point I'm a bit pissed. I've served pretty good so far all game and have had nothing to show for it...so I decide Love-40 might as well go for it. I decide to hammer my serve - and here is what happened

big serve - soft return poached and put away (15 - 40)
fault - service winner (30 - 40)
big serve - blocked, cut, wide angle return to my backhand, I run up, cut it cross court ends up an opponents feet and he hit it in the net (deuce)
fault - service winner (ad in)
big serve - same blocked, cut, wide angle return to may backhand, I get it in, but he hits it for a winner. (deuce)
big serve - poached for a winner (ad in)
big serve - same return - opponent net player tries to poach and dumps it in the net. - we win my serve (3-5)

- We break (4-5)
- We hold (5-5)
- They hold (6-5)
- My serve - I double fault the first 2 serves - (nice time to pull that out dumbass). It wasn't a situation where I was tightening up, all four were at the top of the tape, I was barely off. My next serve was huge and an easy floater at the net right to my partner who when short side and missed the court by a mile. My next serve was one of the biggest I've ever hit, even the opposing captain said, "Man that's a cannon of a serve", unfortunately it didn't do me any good - the ad side player did his now patented block, cut, wide return to my backhand and my cut shot was in the net...so we lost the second set (5-7)

Second set wrap up - this set was very frustrating. Our opponents really started taking the pace off the ball and throwing up a lot of lobs, which was tough for a few reasons. 1. I was struggling to generate my pace and keep it in, I think some practice that week would have helped that some. 2. the lights on the court were very low so tracking the ball was difficult. 3. the lack of familiarity with my partner made court coverage a challenge. It also didn't help that I didn't have the patience to play lob tennis.

Third Set

- They held (0-1)
- We held (1-1)
- We break (2-1)
- now it's my serve, and here is what I'm thinking at this point. "Your last service game was poor with 2 double faults, don't really want to do that again in this situation. Also, the ad player seems to love the big serve, his return is better on it than it was on the serve you cut more, so let's go to the big cut and see how that goes". And here's how it went

I got good spin on the server and it really kicked up, which I hadn't really done to this point - it completely surprised the returner who barely got a racket on it. (15-0)
I wanted to try and serve wider to the ad side to get the ball to his backhand or into his body - mission accomplished - serve to his backhand - easy pop up return put away at the net by Kevin. (30-0)
My second serve to this side is almost identical to the first - he managed to get the return to the bottom of the net this time (40-0)
Serve into the body - blocked back, I overhit the shot and it goes long (40-15)
Another good serve to the deuce side - he returns it, but it's poached for a winner. We hold (3-1)

- They hold (3-2)
- We hold (4-2)
- They hold (4-3)
- My serve - given how well my last service game went, I obviously decided to do the same thing - and we ended up with the same result almost exactly. The deuce side player couldn't handle the top spin serve and we were able to poach the ad side player so I won at 15 again. (5-3)
- We jumped up early in this game 30-0 but then my partner botched an easy volley, followed by a great serve up the middle that I failed to return, which put us back to even. We ended up in a couple of deuce games, then they served to the deuce side, my partner - he hit a nice return that they cut back short my side, I ran in and hit a cut backhand, they lobbed me, so I turn and ran hitting a deep crosscourt half lob back. The return shot was poached by my partner but not put away - with the shot going deep to the deuce side. I crossed over and hit it back through the middle, they came through the middle and Kevin poached again, but again didn't put it away, the return was again short to the ad side, so I can cross court and up to hit a cut winner down the line to take the Advantage. Then the server hit another great serve up the middle, the same one he had done earlier in this game when he was down 15 -30, only this time I was able to rip the return through the middle for a winner. (6-3)

All in all the match took over 2 and half hours. To give you an idea of how long it took. We took the court when the 1s were 4-5 in the second set. They went 3 sets and they finished their second set 5-7 and their 3rd set before we finished our first. Then the 4's came on to play and they finished all 3 sets in the same time it took us to play our final 2 sets. I was exhausted...

I can tell you my lack of doubles play was a huge problem today. I found myself out of position regularly, and there were so many balls I should have poached that I didn't - I can't even count them all. I'm going to have to get more doubles play in or I'm going to struggle to win matches.

The team took all 4 points:

1s. 6-4, 5-7, 6-2
2s. 6-2, 6-1
3s. 6-4, 5-7, 6-3
4s. 6-3, 3-6, 6-2
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Old 06-12-2021, 08:54 AM   #9
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You know I'm here for it. I'd almost move for a place where tennis was more organized at the local level, here it's so clubby and stuffy and for no good reason. It makes me want to do something else, so I mostly avoid it.

Yeah, ALTA is definitely not stuffy. My bother used to wear old cargo shorts and a football jersey to play. And Joe still wears T-shirts he cut the sleeves out of. We used to joke with my bother he was going to win the worst dressed player in ALTA award.

John's right, how serious ALTA is depends on the team. Some take it very seriously and they want to win City Championships, others just want to get together, hang out and drink beer.

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Old 06-15-2021, 12:47 PM   #10
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As usual I hit last night with my friend Joe, but unlike every other time, I was still really sore. Friday's match was really sticking with me. My knees and lower back were bothering me all night, to the point I had to take a few breaks to give them a rest - getting old sucks.

I was going to have to miss this Friday's match with an overnight implementation at work, but the vendor canceled, so I'm in the lineup again, with a brand new partner. It's a good thing the vendor canceled because the team was looking at having to forfeit 2 of the 4 points.

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Old 06-18-2021, 02:08 PM   #11
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Practice yesterday (6/17) ended up being a no go. With so many people unavailable there were only going to be 3 at the courts (including me). Given my level of soreness on Monday after the Friday match last week, I didn't want to overdo the night before a match, and with only 3 people - I decided to pass.

Match tonight at 6:30...
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Old 06-21-2021, 11:17 AM   #12
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In week 2's match, we were slotting in against a 6'6" player with a huge serve he could spin multiple ways, or pound (though he rarely did), and an older player with extremely soft hands who can play very short angles.

My partner was a very aggressive player, who was typically matched with someone who didn't move, allowing him to cover the whole court. This made our pairing very awkward, as we often got in each others way.


We didn't play for 2 and half hours this time - I was much closer to 3 hours.

Set 1

The match started and I was awful. I couldn't find my stroke and my ground strokes were floating long on both the forehand and backhand sides. My partner was very aggressive with mixed results and we lost the first set 2 - 6

Set 2

At the end of the first set, I started to find my range and in the second set it really paid off. I was hitting my strokes real well, driving them deep, hitting winners, and dropping the ball on their feet with heavy top spin. We got up early in this set, held the break and got a second one at the end to win 6 -3

Set 3

At this point our opponents were avoiding hitting the ball to me as much as they could, and my partner's inconsistencies, especially with his ground strokes were becoming an issue. Then, on serve, midway through the set and I get pulled off the deuce side all the way to fence. I get it back, but the net guy jumps the shot and hits it back deuce side, now I could have gotten the ball, but my partner had come all the way over and hit it, effectively blocking me right at the corner of the baseline and sideline. His shot was returned wide to the Ad side - I took off and reach the ball at the singles line on the deuce side of the opposite court. I hit a running backhand that they failed to return (I think they were shocked I got the ball back), which gave us a break. Unfortunately, in the process I strained my hamstring. They broke us right back, as my partner's serve was fine, but his ground strokes floated long or wide consistently.

Despite my injury, I was still hitting good ground strokes, but my court coverage was diminished. We stayed on serve (though we had leads in almost every game but couldn't put them away) and ended up in a 3rd set tiebreaker. I served first and held. They got 2 serves and we were up 2-1. My partner got 1 and lost 1 so we were up 3-2, they held - 3-4...now it's my serve. We switched sides on 3-3 so this was the first time I had served on this end of the court, and it was the first time I realized how low the lights were and how poorly placed they were. I stared directly into the lights when I made my toss. Now, had I not been so exhausted and hurting I might have taken more time to try and find a way to see my toss better, but as it was, my brain wasn't working well and I just tried to fight through it, and I failed miserably - I double faulted both of my points, effectively handing the match away. We lost the next point and the match 3-7 in the tiebreaker.

We took 2 of the 4 points and we sit in 3rd place overall with 6 points despite already having our bye week. The two teams in front of us have played all 3 weeks so far. Unfortunately, we will forfeit a match this week for sure, and if my hamstring doesn't heal, we will forfeit at least 1 for every match I miss (this weeks forfeit isn't on me though - we had a player out for vacation).

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Old 06-24-2021, 01:24 PM   #13
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I'm not practicing or playing this week, as I rest up. I'm doing much better now than I was on Saturday, so I'm hopeful I'll be able to play next week - even if it's at less than 100%. Just don't want to reinjury myself.
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Old 06-28-2021, 10:30 AM   #14
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The team took 1 of the 3 points available last week which puts us in a 3rd place tie at 7 points, 1 point behind 2nd place and 6 points behind first place, but 1st place and 2nd place haven't had their bye weeks yet. We play the 1st place team this week.

I'll be going out tonight to hit a few balls to try and stay sharp and test my ability to move on the hamstring. If I can move ok, I'm planning to play this Friday, even if I have to be conservative in my approach. Better that than forfeiting another point away.

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Old 07-01-2021, 09:08 AM   #15
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Ended up hitting balls Tuesday (6/29), and the leg held up ok. Not sure about sprinting around everywhere, but feel pretty good about playing. The match is actually tonight rather than Friday, and they moved me down to the 4 line because they were unsure of my ability to play. My partner has played twice this season and he's managed to win 4 games and lose 24. That's a .142 win percentage - not liking my chances.
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Old 07-06-2021, 09:50 AM   #16
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The Match on Thursday went well. There isn't a ton to report this time out. The team moved me up to the 3 spot right before the start of the match and paired me with my same partner from my second match.

We blitzed the opponents in the 1st set 6 -1.

Second set, my partner lost his serve to open the so we fell behind early. We took the lead back with a quick break and I held at Love. Followed by a break and my partner again struggling with his serve and losing (3-2). We broke, I held again in a strange one - jumped out big with 3 big service winners, followed by 4th great serve that was hit weakly back to my partner at the net and he dumped in the bottom of the net. I then double faulted twice to put it back at deuce. Then I ripped off an ace followed by an unreturned serve to win the point. (5-2). Jumped out to a lead in during the opponents serve, but then I made a nice volley, which the opponent scooped back at me at the net, and I missed an easy put away. Then we struggled to find our rhythm and lost that game, but my partner found his serve when we needed it and we closed out the match 6-3.

We ended up going 2-2 in this match, which puts us in a tie for second place and pretty much assures the team we just played will win the division. We play the second place team this week, but I have my scans today (7/6) and Wednesday (7/8), plus I have a slight calf strain, so I don't expect to be anywhere close to 100% on Friday.

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Old 07-06-2021, 05:18 PM   #17
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So good you're playing doubles that's a much better way to do it. I've been playing singles in a UTR league and this other local non-USTA league as I missed the cutoff time for league play and readjusting to playing competitively against -- with garbage fitness that I am in -- has been rough.

Glad you're playing well and the serve is working for ya! Keep grinding!
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:14 AM   #18
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Friday's match was rained out, which puts us in the - "call your opponents and schedule your match this week" arrangement. This is a big match for us, as we are tied with this team for 2nd place and the top 2 teams make the playoffs.

Most of the make up matches have already occurred.

1s 7-5, 7-5 - win
2s 4-6, 4-6 - loss
4s. 2-6, 4-6, 1-6 - loss

That leaves my match at the 3s to try and pull out a tie, and we are scheduled to play Tuesday (7/13) at 7. Unfortunately, I appear to be falling apart. My right calf I strain from last week is still tender. I've got a self-adhesive bandage that I'll use to apply some compression, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. My entire lower body is giving me fits, including my hip flexor which grabbed me yesterday out of the blue. It's very strange. I played tennis for about 10 weeks with my friend before joining this team, and other than general soreness following our play, I was fine. Now I take a week off to let my calf feel better and the rest of the muscles and tendons in my legs decide to let me know they are unhappy.
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Old 07-14-2021, 10:11 AM   #19
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The match last night was another LONG one. To start we warmed up and as soon as we finished and were about to serve to start the match, it began to rain. It was a light rain only, we didn't get any puddling, but the courts were soaked. The rain lasted about 20 minutes so we waiting around to see if they would dry. Eventually, we elected to play:

Set 1
We won the first set 6-3, which was just 1 break of serve because we served first. My serve was real good in the first set as they struggled to even get it back in play.

Set 2
In the second set our opponents decided to take the air out of the ball, hitting soft half lobs, and it worked early as they opened a 3-0 lead while I struggled to find my range. However, I adjusted and took a 4 - 3 lead and it was my partners serve. Now I'll continue to admit my lack of comfort at the net continues to hinder him, but tonight, he struggled to even get his first serve in. We battled hard going through 6 or 7 deuce games before he finally lost his serve. They then held 4-5. I held 5-5. They held 5-6, then it's my partner's turn again, and it was similar to his last service game but worse. This time we had 11 deuce games and it was Ad Out on 9 of them. We finally lost serve and set 5-7.

Set 3
This was basically a back and forth affair. My partner was gassed at this point. Several long service games, plus he blew off the court with a leaf blower twice to clean it up before the rain and to speed the drying process after. His ground strokes were starting to suffer as his forehand cut was hitting the net half way up, and he wasn't moving his feet well which was causing him to hit the ball at odd angles.

Ultimately, we managed to take a 5 -3 lead with the match on my serve. I had only been broken 1 time to this point and that break was significantly assisted by my partner missing 2 easy net shots and me over hitting an easy return. However, in this game I missed my first serve and on the second my opponent hits a masterful drop shot that wasn't 3 feet past the net with heavy spin. An amazing shot considering I didn't hit a lollypop second serve. Then I managed to double fault (1st of the match). Then I hit a good serve, my partner made a good volley but the opponent net player cut off the shot and got it at my partner's feet. Down 0-40. I follow that with an ace, and a service winner to get it 30-40 but then I choke it away with a double fault. The set is now 5-5. They hold 5-6, and it's my partner's serve...

He starts by blistering his first serve in and the opponent struggles to get a racket on it, however, he did and it ended up resulting in a high up the line return with no pace. Too high to my backhand side to reach and too short and slow for my partner to run down, 0-15. Double Fault 0-30. Nice serve wide, I took a step to cover the alley, and he hit a high floater cross court. I tried to reach it and I hit it in the net 0-40. Big serve, returned short cross court and my partner hits a running backhand up the line for a winner 15-40. Nice serve - returned wide 30 - 40. Faulted first, then a high return at me that I put away to get us back to deuce. We go through 5 deuce games before we hold to push it to a tiebreaker. My partner held off 5 match points in the set, 3 at love - 40 and 2 Ad outs in the deuce games.

In the tiebreaker - we break 1-0, then I hold both 3-0. They split then my partner double faults away both points 4-3. They split again 5-4 and it's my server to close out the match again. I win my first with a nice serve, my partner volleys, they lob cross court to me, I hit a forehand up the alley for a winner 6-3. I fault my first serve. On the second serve I mishit it. I knew it was out immediately, and I was kicking myself, but the ball struck the opponent net player before hitting the ground - so we won 7-4. Crazy way to win a back and forth match, and I'm angry at myself for my chokes on the serve, got to get back out on the court more. Nursing these strains is making difficult to stay sharp.

Final scores - 6-3, 5-7, 7-6 (7-4)

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Old 07-15-2021, 09:48 AM   #20
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So we go into the last week of the season with a chance to make the playoffs (not that we will go far if we get in). However, here are the standings:

Team 1 - 18 points (bye week)
My Team - 11 points (plays Team 5)
Team 3 - 11 points (plays Team 4)
Team 4 - 11 points (plays Team 3)
Team 5 - 10 points (plays us)
Team 6 - 9 points (plays Team 7)
Team 7 - 2 points (plays Team 6)

So here's the deal - Team 6 is likely going to sweep team 7, which will give them 13 total points. The 3 teams at 11 could very easily split 2/2 which means we could have a 4 way tie for second place. I'm assuming the tiebreaker is going to be on set won/loss percentage, but regardless it's probably going to be very interesting to watch play out.

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Old 07-19-2021, 12:59 PM   #21
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Last Match of the Regular season.

With the tight standings if we were going to make the playoff we had to take at least 2 and more likely 3 to get in.

In this match, I played horribly. I had no energy and my serve was very suspect. It didn't help matters that our opponents hit nothing hard. Everything including returns was a log, half-lob, or cut/drop shot, which didn't allow me to get into any sort of a rhythm.

Set 1

We got down 0-2 quickly, because I lost my serve right out of the gate and they held. However, from there - it was smooth sailing for us as we closed out the first set 6-2. I played ok here, and my partner played especially well. His court coverage and ability to hit cut shots on the run drove them crazy.

Set 2

We were down early again, and we got it back to even, but we couldn't get a lead. My game slipped from mediocre to poor in this set, and my partner seemed to lose focus as he hit a bunch of shots he was eating up in the first set wide or long. We ended up losing 5 -7

Set 3

My serve was a little better here, and we got an early lead and never let up. My partner was serving at 5-2 and he had a 30 - love lead before I complete screwed everything up and we lost the serve. I was terrible, missing a couple of easy volleys, being out of position on a shot up the line, and generally just killing all the good my partner was doing. Thankfully, we immediately broke back to end the match and I played pretty well in the final game with a couple of big returns that they couldn't handle. 6-3


In total we took 3 points, but so did one of the other teams we were tied at 11 with (the team we played last week actually). I'm assuming the tie breakers will go like this:

1. head to head - split 2/2
2. sets won - both sides won 6 sets
3. games won - here we lose - my recollection is they got 52 games to our 49.

We apparently could still make the playoff as one of the highest producing 3rd place teams, so we'll see.

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Old 07-20-2021, 03:52 PM   #22
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So apparently my assumption on how the tiebreakers would work was wrong, rather than go head to head points, sets h2h, and games h2h, they elected to just go % of sets won in division. Which we also lost 53.33% to 51.725%.

Also because some conferences had 7 teams and some had 8 they took win percentage for the 2 additional 3rd place teams that made the playoffs. We won 58.33% of our matches, but two 3rd place teams finished with 65% or better results. Not really surprising we didn't make it on win % with our division being so tight. So we came up just short of the playoffs, but frankly it's probably a good thing. I can now nurse my aches and strains and Joe's (my friend who added me to this team) elbow and wrist are really bothering him and he could use some downtime to try and get any inflammation out of those joints.

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Old 08-19-2021, 10:43 AM   #23
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My brother and I have been added to a men's roster for the Fall season. We will be playing in the B level of ALTA. My guess would be around B5 but the captain thinks B7, we'll see.

The men's season of ALTA is played as 5 doubles teams. Interestingly, the captain elected to only have 13 players on the roster, including passing up Joe's playing partner at the 1 line of our senior men's team. From my experience, I think he's going to find 13 isn't enough. I used to like having 14 or 15 when I was captain, especially in the Fall when players are going to college football games.

I'll get into more about how this team is constructed and where I fit in later, but at this point I haven't seen them play.

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Old 09-02-2021, 02:56 PM   #24
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The new men's team I'm on ended up at B8. I'm a bit shocked we are that low, given they moved a father/son "A" level pair down (or maybe just the father was on the A team and the son is wanting to join - that would probably explain the ranking). Regardless, I'm on that team and team practices start tonight. They were supposed to start Monday but they were rained out.

I'm planning to attend this team practice so the captain can get an idea of who I am and how I play. Plus it will give me a chance to meet most of my new teammates before the season starts on Saturday 9/11.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much I'm going to end up playing. The way the team is constructed I believe the captain is planning on playing:

1. The father/son pair from the A team
2. my buddy Joe and his T2 and Ultimate Tennis league partner Graham.
3. The 1 seed pair from the captains C4 team that went to city finals last year
4. The 2 seed pair from the city finals team
5. The 3 seed pair from the city finals team

Combine that with the fact, that I'm planning on attending as many of Bear's swim meets as possible and my windows to compete are going to be pretty small. I believe I have 3 maybe 4 weeks of the season where I can play, so I'm guessing I'll end up getting the minimum 2 matches required to make me eligible for the playoffs in case we make them.
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Old 09-03-2021, 07:27 AM   #25
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SOooooo...this might be a very short season for me. Yesterday at practice I was coming in a short soft volley directly in front of me, I rolled around it to hit my forehand and when I planted to push off on the stroke, something popped in my calf.

I can move my foot up and down (a little), so I'm pretty sure my Achilles is still in tact, but boy is this painful. I can barely move 10 feet to get to the bathroom.

Another player on the team said he had a similar injury about 15 years ago and he said it hurts like a bitch, but it usually takes 2 weeks to heal and then you're fine. I hope he's right, but even at that - i'm not sure how much playing I'll get. As I mentioned there were only 3 weeks in the season that i was available, 2 of the them are 9/11 & 9/18, which makes it a tight window if it's a 2 week recovery time. Plus when I return I'll have gone 2 weeks without doing anything - much less hitting tennis balls. I'll be way out of shape and extremely rusty. This sucks, but not terribly surprising, I had little calf tweaks during the senior men's season, and my meds make strains and pulls more like. But I don't want to just sit on my ass anymore - so I'll keep playing and trying to find ways to minimize these things.
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:47 AM   #26
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Went to the doctor about a week ago and he said, "Good news is you didn't get your Achilles, bad news is, you definitely popped what looks like 2 tendons." He said I got part of the gastrocnemius muscle and based on bruising and his experience he's pretty sure I got the plantaris tendon as well.

Said I wouldn't need surgery, but it would be close to 3 months before I was ready to play again. I do have the option of PT, but even with that, I don't expect I'll be in a position to play again until after the season is over.
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Old 09-30-2021, 07:19 AM   #27
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Last night I went to watch my first matches of the season. My brother was playing so went out to support him. He and his partner blitzed the other team 6-0, 6-0. In fact, only 2 games in the entire match went to deuce.

In all the team is dominating, as I expected they would. Through the first 3 weeks of the season we have managed to take 4, 4, and 5 points. We are in first place, 3 points ahead of the next closest team, and we are already 2 for 2 playing early for matches this Saturday. This is really making me want to get out there and play. It sucks - the team is going to make the playoffs and I'm going to be a spectator.

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Old 10-18-2021, 11:26 AM   #28
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Figured I'd update this real quick. With 1 week to go in the regular season my team has already won the division. We are clear of second place by 8 points. We are also currently the top seed in the B8 level, and if we take 3 points this Saturday, we will be guaranteed to be the top team throughout the playoffs.

Man I wish I was playing.
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Old 10-25-2021, 06:56 AM   #29
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Team finished out the regular season winning 33 of 35 matches. We are the #1 seed throughout the playoffs. It will be interesting to see who gets picked to play this Saturday in round 1, and if we win on Sunday for round 2.

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Old 11-09-2021, 07:15 AM   #30
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So as I expected we raced through the playoffs, winning at the 1, 2, & 3 lines each week. The team is in the city finals this weekend. Unfortunately, this will probably be the last season I'm on this team (not that I was really on the team at all this season). There's just too much politics involved. My brother, who is arguably the 7th best player on the roster, isn't seeing action in the playoffs. In fact, in the city finals on Saturday he would be in my estimation the 6th best of the 11 players available, yet he's the only 1 not playing. Several of the players on the team mentioned to me in passing, they don't understand how the captain can possibly overlook Whit in favor of the guys he's putting in the lineup. In fact, they are very concerned the match might come down to the 5s, and that pair is far from a shoe-in. We'll see how it goes. I think the team will still win city, but given how the captain has handled Whit, I don't expect my experience would be any different, and I'm not really interested in being a spectator when I'm better than people who are playing.

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Old 11-15-2021, 07:36 AM   #31
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As it turns out - we lost the City Finals, having to settle for second place. The loss of the top player on the roster was a big blow as it weakens the 1st and 3rd line pairs, who both lost. The 5's also lost embarrassingly quick 6-1 : 6-0. As I mentioned above, many weren't real comfortable with the pair at 5. Not sure if Whit makes enough of a difference that the team wins the match, but it would have been closer.

We'll see what the offseason holds...it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Old 12-05-2021, 04:37 PM   #32
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/me catching up!

Sucks about losing in the finals, but really cool to even be there at all. Such a dominant season and I think honestly getting to watch stuff play out can be instructive in its own way for when you are able to be back out there.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:53 AM   #33
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Quick update on this - Sonny, the captain of the team sent out an update for the spring season, wanting to know who was planning to play and to let everyone know they had added a couple of new players. Given that there was very little path to playing time as it was, and my brother's irritation with Sonny over being left off the playoff lineups despite being a MUCH better player than at least 4 of the players in the lineup - I elected to not return. I'm disappointed I won't be playing with my friend, Joe, each weekend, because it was an opportunity to hang out, but it just didn't make sense.

Whit and I will be playing with the team he was previously on before last season. Also, I have a long way to go in order to get back in shape. I've hit a few times, and I'm very rusty, and more importantly, my serve is WAY OFF. Also, because I was unable to do anything athletic for about 5 months, I'm extremely out of shape and about 12 lbs heavier than I was when I was playing on the senior team over the summer.

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Old 04-08-2022, 08:04 AM   #34
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After more than 6 months on the shelf, I'm scheduled to play a match this weekend. I've hit a few times (very few), but my strokes are pretty good at this point. The biggest issue will be just overall rust. I would have been in the lineup earlier but work issues kept me out.

The team is doing poorly, so we aren't making the playoffs. That takes some stress off. I'm looking forward to playing again. Hopefully, I can make it through without any injuries.
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Good luck! Being able to hit again will be good, hardest part will be readjusting to the speed of the game but maybe your opponents will be having their own issues and it'll go better than you think!
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Old 04-11-2022, 09:24 AM   #36
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Glenncree vs. Northern Oaks

My first match of the year was a subdivision about 3 miles down the road from my home courts, and both are about about equidistant from my house. It was nice not having to drive across North Georgia to get to the match.

I was playing the 3 line. The ones and twos both lost in tightly contested matches with no more than 1 break of serve separating any of the sets.

Met my partner about 20 minutes before we started, which is always fun. I took the deuce court side. While I don't really care which side I play, I was on the deuce court for all of the senior season over the summer, and with lack of court time recently, we figured the more comfortable I could be the better.

During warm ups, I couldn't see what my partner was doing, but what I saw from the opponents was - good top spin forehands from both, and both had very nice, hard, cut serves. Net play was solid as well. Didn't really see enough backhands to make a determination. Following the warm up, I felt we were going to be in for a tough match, as they seemed to play a very similar style to me.

We won the toss, elected to serve, and my partner did the honors. We won his service game quickly. Then we broke their first serve at 15. I served and won quickly and in less than 10 minutes we were up 3-0. At this point, they appeared to be shell-shocked. They held the next service game, but we then closed out the set at 6-1. Second set, they started with the serve, and we immediately broke the guy that held serve in the first set, and then we followed that up by running our lead out to 4-0. We cake walked it from there, winning 6-1 in the second set as well.

The match seemed to hinge on a couple of items:

- my partner had a very nice cut forehand, and he generated a lot of angle, which put them out of position a decent amount of the time.

- while they both hit nice topspin forehands, neither was as consistent as I was, and I just kept the ball deep in the court, and they would eventually end up with an unforced error.

- I believe, by jumping out to a quick lead, they started to press a bit. Trying to be perfect and hit bigger shots, which contributed to the high unforced error total.

We ended up winning at the 4 and 5 line as well, to win the match 3-2. We doubled our point total for the season, but are still tied for last place. It does look like our schedule was a bit front loaded, as our remaining matches are all against bottom half teams, so we could do well the rest of the way and end up middle of the pack in the overall standings. Of course a lot of that will be dependent on who's available to play.

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Old 04-13-2022, 10:23 AM   #37
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At least you all will be ready for the back half of the schedule no matter what happens in these other matches. A team win is a win, nice work. Looks like you two were dominant.

Especially in doubles if you can take a team out of it and get in their heads, it can be easy to roll so long as you're both clicking and it sounds like you were. Good stuff.
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Old 04-15-2022, 07:20 AM   #38
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So I'm back in the lineup this weekend and I've been bumped up to the 2 line. My brother is also in the lineup (though he may not be able to play depending on his work schedule) at the 3 line. I have no idea who my partner is or how he plays, so this will be another learn on the fly match.
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Old 04-18-2022, 07:45 AM   #39
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TPC Sugarloaf vs Glenncree

Last week I played great, this week I was horrible. In fact, I believe an argument could be made it was the worst I ever played. There were several contributing factors, our morning match was rained out, so we played later in the afternoon, which really through off my schedule, but I'm not going to make excuses, I should have found a way to play better.

The biggest problem I had was a couldn't get comfortable with the opponents shots. Both had great hands at the net and both could handle short hop shots very well for this level. Neither hit the ball with much pace either. One had a very long but very slow swing that seemed to throw my timing off. The other hit everything with side spin causing the ball to skid and stay low. These two styles had me literally off balance the entire game. I could never get my footwork right. Making matters worse, both were very good at the net, and forced the action, which only made my struggles worse. I hit some really great shots, but they were mixed in with a lot more terrible shots. I also struggled with my serve for the first time since my return.

I definitely need to play more doubles. That was only my 3rd doubles match since Senior Mens last summer. I have to get more comfortable when players crowd the net. I tend to speed up rather than relaxing and just hitting my strokes. I think if I play/practice more against doubles I'll get more comfortable.

The team is currently 2 and 2 in this match with 1 make up match to go.

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Yeah, old man doubles is a thing man. Like a totally different level of thing entirely, all about reaction time and positioning and quick strike. It's wild.
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Old 04-19-2022, 10:35 AM   #41
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I signed up with Bear to play LeagueTennis doubles. I'm probably a 3.5+ player at this point and he's probably a 2.5 player, who will improve rapidly. Last summer he worked on his serve and by the time the summer was over, he was pretty consistent. As a team we'll be playing 3.0. If for some reason that ends up being too low for us, and we win too many games, we'll be excluded from the playoffs, but I don't really care about that. I'm just excited that I'll have this opportunity to play with Bear, regardless of how well we do.
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Old 04-25-2022, 09:01 AM   #42
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Traditions of Braselton vs Glencree

The team slid me down to 4 this week and paired me with another new partner. This time I ended up moving over to the Ad side of the court for the first time since I started playing again. Given how poorly I played last week, I really focused on basics - hitting cross court and keeping the ball deep. It worked real well for my partner and me. Keeping the opponents deep, allowed my partner to be very aggressive at the net, which was his preferred style of play anyway. It took us a little time to figure out how to play together, which limited us to a 6-3 first set win, but then we started rolling and we closed them out 6-0 in the second set.

This was a nice confidence builder for me. By the time we got late into the second set, I was back to taking some chances, and executing shots up the line and poaches at the net.

1 more match this Saturday, but not sure I'll be playing in this one. For some odd reason, my calf started bothering me Sunday night. There was no problem at all Saturday following the match, or Sunday during the day, but right before bed I had some serious discomfort in the right calf, the same one I injured at the start of the fall season. I'll have to monitor that situation. Also, given we aren't going to make the playoffs, no sense in risking injury and missing the senior men's summer season.

As for the team, we took 3 points, making this our 3rd straight winning week, and moving us up from 8th place to 6th, which moves us out of one of the (most likely) relegation spots. We are also only 1 point behind 5th place and that's our opponent this Saturday.

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Following the match on Saturday, I was fine all day. Some general soreness, but no real issues. Sunday, soreness was more pronounced as usual but again no issues. However, Sunday night, right before bed my calf started bothering me. This is the same calf I injured in August. Monday morning and things seems ok, but by Monday night the calf was bothering me again. Not sure what's up with this, but if it doesn't improve dramatically between now and Saturday, I'll probably tell the captain to remove me from the lineup.
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Old 04-28-2022, 08:58 AM   #44
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I begged out of the lineup this weekend because of my calf issues, and my brother has to work so he's out as well. Hopefully, the team can still pull 3 points to win the match up, or at least get 2 points to insure we don't slide down to 7th place overall and get relegated to B8 or C1 level (though frankly if that happened it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).
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Oof, get healthy soon!
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Old 05-02-2022, 07:10 AM   #46
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Apalachee River Club vs Glencree

The team managed to take 3 of the 5 points again this week, which allowed us to tie Apalachee River Club in the standings and get the 5th place finished based on head to head results. The 3 - 2 win this week means the team won their final 4 matches of the season, including beating the conference champion Northern Oaks. We still need another top player to put at the 1 line before we can really challenge for a nice playoff run, but all and all we seem pretty solid at our level, especially if we can get all the top players in the lineup.
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:50 AM   #47
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Now that the Summer is here, Bear is home and we have signed up to play League Tennis doubles. Bear has maybe played 15 sets of tennis in his life, and 5 have been with me in 2 games, 1 last summer and 1 just a couple of days ago.

We are playing 3.0 because that ranking would be between Bear and me, but based on how Bear played the other night, he may be much closer to a 3.5 than he is a 2.5 that a normal beginner would be ranked.

We play our first match of the season tonight. Should be fun, no matter what happens.
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Old 05-13-2022, 10:49 AM   #48
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League Tennis - Week 1

The first match of the season was extremely fun, and the guys we played were exceptionally nice. The play was mostly ugly and a dog fight for us from the beginning.

Set 1

We won the toss and elected to serve. After Bear won 3 of 4 service games in our tune up match against my brother and best friend (who are much better than anyone we will play this season) I figured I'd let him start it out. That was probably a bad decision, I should have allowed him to get into the flow a bit before I put the pressure of serving in his first real match ever on his shoulders. He struggled and was broken, but that was just the first of a bunch of breaks of serve. in fact, I don't think anyone held until Bear did to get us to 5-4, then we broke to take the first set 6-4.

Set 2

This one was similar to the last, but Bear got on a role with his serve and held it most of the match, but so did one of their two players so it was back an forth until they got a break and hold to take the set at 4-6.

Set 3

In the final set, we got down early. Bear started the set off serving and he completely lost his rhythm, but we broke right back to make it 1-1. I had been serving pretty well after the first set, but I wasn't winning my serve. I was missing just enough, when combined with Bear being out of position for us to drop my games. It happened again in this service game, but I got Bear into a better position and he started to see why he needed to play the spot I suggested.

We broke back to make it 2-2, then Bear lost his serve again, struggling to get it in. Down 2-3. I told him to relax and forget about it, because if we were going to win, he'd have to serve again. We broke back to make it 3-3. Then on my serve the repositioned Bear put away several balls on the return and I held. 4-3, we broke with Bear carrying us. He won his return 5 straight times, including two incredible backhand cut shots short and wide cross court that the server never touched. All this while I struggled. In my defense, the guy started serving up the T and the ball would get in strange spot between the lights and I would lose it. I've never had that happen on a serve, but it did 3 of the 4 times I missed. Finally a got a serve that wasn't up the T, and I hit a nice return that they couldn't handle for the game, 5-3. Then Bear served, and he did better, still missed too many, but he was much closer and didn't double fault as much. 5-4, and back on serve. They served and jumped out to a 30 - 0 lead. Then Bear ripped a return they couldn't handle. I hit my return deep to the back hand and it didn't come back. Bear hits one deep and I cut if off and put it away at the net. Then I hit my return pretty basically, but the guy dumped it into the bottom of the net and we won 6-4.

So 6-4, 4-6, 6-4. Not bad under the circumstances.

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Old 05-24-2022, 08:14 AM   #49
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Bear and my second week match was delayed due to the opponent being out of town all week. We were going to try to work them in this week, but weather doesn't appear to be cooperating. We have a small window today where we might be able to get this weeks match in. We are scheduled for 7 PM so hoping we can get it played, especially since I'll be out of town over the weekend (and I suspect this team will force us to forfeit if we are unavailable rather than work with us to play later).

We are going up against a team that is currently in first place. They are 2-0 on the season, and they beat the team we beat in week one more handily than we did. I can tell because they received bonus points for their win. One of the two guys on the team has played several seasons at 4.0 doubles and several more where he was contending for playoffs at 3.5. He's currently playing 3.0 because his partner is new to the league. I'm guessing based on their results that they other guy maybe new the league, but he's not a beginner playing tennis. This should be a significant test for us.

We also messed up. Bear and I hit a couple of times last week, but we never worked on our serves. We had planned to do it over the weekend, but then he ended up having other activities and we never got back to it. For us to win tonight we will have to serve MUCH better than we did in week 1.
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Old 05-24-2022, 11:11 PM   #50
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That grinder of a match that you all dragged out is huge. And this stacked doubles club will be interesting to see how you perform. Seems like a stack based on the ratings, which is why NTRP is kinda trash but...I hope that you all are able to get some confidence regardless of the score.
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