Super Bowl XLIX

[Solecismic]

Great game. Inexplicable play-call at the end.

I think everyone expected New England to call time out once they got to the one. But Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks just didn't think it through properly.

With 25 seconds left and a time out, you have to run the ball. If they stop Lynch (unlikely), then call the time out and get Wilson out of the pocket on third. Pretty much anything but throw a quick slant into traffic.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Great game. Inexplicable play-call at the end.

I think everyone expected New England to call time out once they got to the one. But Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks just didn't think it through properly.

With 25 seconds left and a time out, you have to run the ball. If they stop Lynch (unlikely), then call the time out and get Wilson out of the pocket on third. Pretty much anything but throw a quick slant into traffic.

I still can't wrap my mind around what the Seahawks did there...

[SirFozzie]

Great game.. I can respect the Seahawks for one hell of a game, that came down to the end..

But the Pats homer in me wants to rail about the classless jerks that seem to play for the Seahawks. Pretend you're dropping your pants after a touchdown? Sherman mocking Revis on the sidelines after they run a ref pick to free someone for a touchdown? Start a fight when you've lost? Seahawks acted like thugs.

But wow, what a game, what a crazy fucking game. lowest of lows (Helmet catch part 2), highest of highs (Butler INT)

[Travis]

Welp, hell of a comeback by the Pats. As a Seattle fan I had confidence that they'd score on that final drive, but in the end, it was the injuries to Lane (and subsequent ownage of Simon) and Avril (after which Bennett wasn't able to get nearly as much penetration) that were two of the biggest factors in the D not being able to put the game away before needing the big drive at the end.

As for the final play, yeah, I'll never agree with that call. Carroll is saying it was his call due to the D in on that play vs the personnel the Seahawks had in, but whether he's telling the truth or taking it for the team (ie: Bevell actually made the call), there is no excuse for not just lining up and giving it to Lynch there.

On the plus side, the team that takes the field in week 1 next season will be better than the one on the field today and that's very encouraging. Between injuries and the Harvin situation, there were some pretty fundamental holes in the lineup and yet they were still just one play away from winning it all this year.

So damn close.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Great game. Inexplicable play-call at the end.

I think everyone expected New England to call time out once they got to the one. But Belichick didn't, and the Seahawks just didn't think it through properly.

With 25 seconds left and a time out, you have to run the ball. If they stop Lynch (unlikely), then call the time out and get Wilson out of the pocket on third. Pretty much anything but throw a quick slant into traffic.

I think Wilson could have walked in on a naked bootleg.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I think Wilson could have walked in on a naked bootleg.

Yup.

[Kodos]

Congratulations to the Patriots. Whoever called that last pass will be haunted for the rest of their life. Why go against your best strength with the game on the line?

[Buccaneer]

I was wrong, DT should've been here to balance out all of the haters dominating the thread.

Glad it was a memorable game for all of the football fans out there. I love seeing Kurt walk out with the trophy.

[Atocep]

Not sure why the Seahawks are taking such heat for "starting" the fight. I've watched the replay several times and from what I see the Pats players took offense to the Seahawks actually trying on a victory formation play. Can't say I blame the Seahawks players there, but what seemed to escalate things was the open handed punch by Gronk to the back of the Seahawks player's head.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Not sure why the Seahawks are taking such heat for "starting" the fight. I've watched the replay several times and from what I see the Pats players took offense to the Seahawks actually trying on a victory formation play. Can't say I blame the Seahawks players there, but what seemed to escalate things was the open handed punch by Gronk to the back of the Seahawks player's head.

First thing I saw of the scrum with the shove to the face of Gronk.

If it turns out NE started the (wine) bar fight, I'll throw them under the bus no problem.

[SirFozzie]

I dunno.. I can understand them being disappointed they didn't win, but I dunno if throwing your coaches under the bus like this is a good thing:

Terence Moore ‏@TMooreSports 23m23 minutes ago
I’m in the Seahawks locker room. Wow. Talking about despair! Those who can speak are freely ripping that last play call. Big time

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Let's go Evil Empire!

So, FOFC, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.

[BYU 14]

I would have run it with timeouts left, but to be fair, the Seahawks were lucky to even be in that situation. New England outplayed them for most of the game, but taking advantage of the mistakes New England made allowed them to lead and a fluke play but them in position to win.

[sabotai]

Looking back through the game, a little bit of a what if game: What happens to the rest of the game if Lane doesn't intercept Brady near the end of the 1st, it ends up being a TD pass, but Lane stays healthy for the rest of the game. That pick was huge at the time, but New England picked on his replacement the rest of the game.

[cartman]

There was a gut punch loss jinx in the NFC. The Lions passed it on to the Cowboys, who then passed it to the Packers, who then gave it to the Seahawks.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I dunno.. I can understand them being disappointed they didn't win, but I dunno if throwing your coaches under the bus like this is a good thing:

Terence Moore ‏@TMooreSports 23m23 minutes ago
I’m in the Seahawks locker room. Wow. Talking about despair! Those who can speak are freely ripping that last play call. Big time

Well not all of them though it may not fit the narrative.

Marshawn to me on if he's surprised he didn't get the ball on the 1: "No. Because we play football. It's a team sport."

— Jim Trotter (@JimTrotter_NFL) February 2, 2015

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

First thing I saw of the scrum with the shove to the face of Gronk.

If it turns out NE started the (wine) bar fight, I'll throw them under the bus no problem.

Gronk had shove into the facemask of Bruce Irvin that really got things going. Gronk took a shot from behind and then followed that up with a shot to the back of a Seahawks player's head. Then all hell broke loose.

I don't think either team can really point fingers on that one. I also don't really see it as an indictment of either team. That may be the biggest emotional swing we've seen in a Super Bowl.

[Buccaneer]

Seeing the highlights, I would say that the Seahawks catch on that last drive was among the best. I can imagine that it felt like déjà vu all over again.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I would have run it with timeouts left, but to be fair, the Seahawks were lucky to even be in that situation. New England outplayed them for most of the game, but taking advantage of the mistakes New England made allowed them to lead and a fluke play but them in position to win.

Really? The Pats were down 10 with 8 minutes to go. For the game, I thought the quarterback play was about even (although Wilson started slow) and Seattle had the more effective running attack. I fully credit the Pats with earning the lead at the end, but never thought the Seahawks had lucked into anything until the miracle catch on the last drive.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Really? The Pats were down 10 with 8 minutes to go. For the game, I thought the quarterback play was about even (although Wilson started slow) and Seattle had the more effective running attack. I fully credit the Pats with earning the lead at the end, but never thought the Seahawks had lucked into anything until the miracle catch on the last drive.

+1

[Young Drachma]

Kudos to Pete for taking the heat. But that's surely on Russ.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Yes, it was a stupid play call, but firing him would be equally stupid. This is the guy that got you one play from the Super Bowl.

Sorry but I disagree. I am in IT senior management in a C-level position for large global corp and have seen a number of instant firings over one big screw like letting a outsourcing of a data center contract auto renew when it should have been canceled costing millions in wasted money. Big mistakes cost people big time that goes with getting the big bucks at time. I don't think they should shit can the guy but if they did it won't surprise me. In Seattle this guy will probably keep his job but in the big time college football like the SEC or in the NFL -Boston, New York he would be gone baby gone!

[JonInMiddleGA]

No surprise but ... do ya think maybe you give him 24 hours to decompress first?
(Jet reportedly ready to depart & head for Atlanta)


Dan Quinn to Atlanta for Falcons introduction - ESPN

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

No surprise but ... do ya think maybe you give him 24 hours to decompress first?
(Jet reportedly ready to depart & head for Atlanta)


Dan Quinn to Atlanta for Falcons introduction - ESPN

Could have been worse. They could have hired Bevell. That would be a awkward press conference.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Could have been worse. They could have hired Bevell. That would be a awkward press conference.

Congrats. You just got repurposed into my FB status

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I still can't wrap my mind around what the Seahawks did there...

I don't know the Seahawks well, but from what I've seen they're a team that isn't afraid to take some chances (like going for the TD in the first half, for example). Right or wrong, it didn't feel all that out of character for them.

[Carman Bulldog]

Man, I like the Seahawks and really like Sherman but you can't talk shit about another DB when the only reason the completion is made was because the ref couldn't get out of the way and picked Revis.

Also, that Doug Baldwin TD celebration was classless. I don't mind toilet humour and don't really care if he does something like that in a meaningless regular season game, but the Super Bowl?

[Buccaneer]

Crotch grabbing and poopy mime sound exactly like something Carroll would encourage.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Really? The Pats were down 10 with 8 minutes to go. For the game, I thought the quarterback play was about even (although Wilson started slow) and Seattle had the more effective running attack. I fully credit the Pats with earning the lead at the end, but never thought the Seahawks had lucked into anything until the miracle catch on the last drive.

It felt to me that Seattle really only played well (at least offensively) for about 15 minutes in the entire game, starting at about the 5 minute mark in the 2nd quarter until the 5 minute mark in the 3rd.

In fact, outside of those 15 minutes, they only had 3 first downs all game before their final drive.

[Subby]

Pete caroll texting the offensive coordinator pic.twitter.com/cc3rxRskXJ

— ADC (@adctennis) February 2, 2015

[Subby]

If I am starting a team today I want Sherman, Lynch, Edelman, and Gronk. Those are four of the most badass football players I have seen in my lifetime.

What an incredible game.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Really? The Pats were down 10 with 8 minutes to go. For the game, I thought the quarterback play was about even (although Wilson started slow) and Seattle had the more effective running attack. I fully credit the Pats with earning the lead at the end, but never thought the Seahawks had lucked into anything until the miracle catch on the last drive.

I didn't say they lucked into it the lead, they took advantage of mistakes, but over the course of the game were outplayed. Two big pass plays, the two turnovers, and the fluke catch. (which is what put them in position to win) Their run game was much better inside the red zone, but again not completely dominant between the 20s.

Not taking anything away from them, but New England was more consistent throughout the game. As Carman said, they really only had one effective stretch and New England moved the ball well most of the game.

[nol]

Fun game. I happened to miss the part where all the heroic sportswriters who took a crap on Marshawn Lynch turned on Goodell for not speaking to the media.

[stevew]

Looking at the tape, Lockett has to make that play. He was basically wide open but he didn't want it as bad as the defender. Obviously there was the interception risk and the risk of that getting tipped up, but the receiver needs to make that play.

That all being said, it was an unnecessary risk. a boundary throw would have been a much better idea*


*edit, if you want to throw

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I was wrong, DT should've been here to balance out all of the haters dominating the thread.

Glad it was a memorable game for all of the football fans out there. I love seeing Kurt walk out with the trophy.

You said it, Bucc.
I'm just here for the football, have no preference of any of the 32 teams winning and were just happy the best two teams made it to the Super Bowl and played a competitive and entertaining game.

[Danny]

I've always liked manning over Brady, but really at this point when looking at their place in history, I have to give the nod to Brady over manning. Though I do feel mannings playoff critique has been over stated.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Danny

I've always liked manning over Brady, but really at this point when looking at their place in history, I have to give the nod to Brady over manning. Though I do feel mannings playoff critique has been over stated.

The team wins the games. Manning is the better overall QB, but the rings make the legends...and its 3 to 1.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The team wins the games. Manning is the better overall QB, but the rings make the legends...and its 3 to 1.

Stop not giving credit where credit is due....it's 4 to 1.

[Dutch]

C'mon, man, I'm from Florida, I lose count after 1. Gotta give me credit for being close.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I didn't say they lucked into it the lead, they took advantage of mistakes, but over the course of the game were outplayed. Two big pass plays, the two turnovers, and the fluke catch. (which is what put them in position to win) Their run game was much better inside the red zone, but again not completely dominant between the 20s.

Not taking anything away from them, but New England was more consistent throughout the game. As Carman said, they really only had one effective stretch and New England moved the ball well most of the game.

I thought both teams did what they do pretty well thoughout the game. Refs stayed mostly in the background which helped. Then one crazy lucky pass play was counterbalanced by one inexplicable play call.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Dutch

C'mon, man, I'm from Florida, I lose count after 1. Gotta give me credit for being close.

I am a Floridian as well. I I am also a member of some very sensitive fan bases. That sort of inaccuracy could be an issue

[Butter]

So, does everyone go insane about this last play call if Collinsworth doesn't call it the dumbest play call he's ever seen?

[corbes]

In FOF parlance, it sounds to me like the Patriots pulled an "extremely familiar" out of their hats on that inside slant.

[Logan]

I don't even think Carroll's explanation makes sense. You don't want to run it on 2nd down because of the defense you're facing, and you plan to run on 3rd/4th...what defense do you think you'll see there?

If you're set on throwing it, rolling out Wilson quickly with a WR driving to the pylon is a great choice there and gives Wilson the option to keep it or throw it through the back of the end zone.

eta: Or play action, obviously.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

So, does everyone go insane about this last play call if Collinsworth doesn't call it the dumbest play call he's ever seen?

I think so. He's really saying what we're all thinking. He's just doing it the way that color commentator way where every game, every play, every player is the best, biggest, worst of all time thing that they all do.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

So, does everyone go insane about this last play call if Collinsworth doesn't call it the dumbest play call he's ever seen?

Yes. It was a pretty horrible call. I was wondering if Belichick was going to call a timeout and let him run it in, then wondering why he wasn't calling the timeout and then was shocked that Lynch didn't get the ball.

That said, Butler made a hell of a play on it. He didn't luck into that int, he had to make it happen. The horrible call is overshadowing that, understandably.

[corbes]

Of course if that pass had been completed we'd probably be saying things like Bevell and Carroll are brilliant, how courageous of them to shuck when everyone thought they would jive, etc.

[corbes]

Edit: completed to the correct team.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by corbes

Of course if that pass had been completed we'd probably be saying things like Bevell and Carroll are brilliant, how courageous of them to shuck when everyone thought they would jive, etc.

I 100% don't believe that.

[Logan]

I've made the same dumb throw in countless Madden/NCAA games.