WW United -- GAME OVER

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't think it's that wasted.

It nabbed us a wolf. The question is now did Jackal put a wolf on his scanned list.

Ordinarally I would say no, but they had to be somewhat desperate.

He cleared three. It's my guess that there's at least one wolf in there.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

The Jackal? clap was adamant about him.

Unless it was before Jackal revealed I doubt he scanned him, no point in doing that since Clap knows he is the seer.

[Passacaglia]

Time for the match! The squad is really feeling like they ought to be in place to nab a win today, but even without DaddyTorgo, they don’t seem like they had a chance in this one. The squad still finds itself unlucky in getting a #2 Striker to help out Darth Vilus (who again shares Man of the Match awards with Schimdty), as JAG replaces claphamsa at the last minute, doing almost as poorly as GoldenEagle (though obviously not THAT bad). A bore draw.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Full Back, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. LoneStarGirl, Goalkeeper, 90
4. GoldenEagle, Winger, 76
5. Lorena, Center Back, 67
6. Lathum, Winger, 65
7. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
8. Telle, Central Midfielder, 44
9. PurdueBrad, Central Midfielder, 25
10. JAG, Striker, 5

Total: 625
Result: Draw
Points: 4

[DaddyTorgo]

*sigh*

well at least they killed me instead of someone valuable.

i'll never understand clap...that much is certain.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Telle

He cleared three. It's my guess that there's at least one wolf in there.

If there is than it is the last wolf probably.

I have no problem with that list. I say we start with Darth. There was a lot of talk about Darth being valuable to the team and we shouldn't lynch him, than he is convieniantly scanned the next day as good.

Do the math.

[lerriuqs]

Updated...

Day 1 vote:

No Lynch 4 -- Kwhit (103) MartinD (133) DaddyTorgo (182) PurdueBrad (185)
MartinD 9 -- Mia Ow (142) Schmidty (154) Telle (183) claphamsa (192) The Jackal (207) Lathum (262) Alan T (282) lerriuqs (285) Danny (293)
claphamsa 2 -- LoneStarGirl (156) Darth Vilus (159)
lerriuqs 3 -- Chief Rum (242) GoldenEagle (245) JAG* (296)

* - vote was No Lynch until 1 min. before deadline

Didn't vote: J23


Day 2 vote:

Chief Rum 1 -- LoneStarGirl (387)
No Lynch 6 -- Kwhit (423) Chief Rum (425) PurdueBrad (430) J23 (457) lerriuqs (505) GoldenEagle (506)
GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)
The Jackal 1 -- Alan T (466)

Didn't vote: Mia Ow, Telle, DT


Day 3 vote:

lerriuqs 5 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701) The Jackal (723) J23 (739)
Darth Vilus 1 -- Lathum (627)
J23 8 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713) Kwhit (716) DaddyTorgo (717) Darth Vilus (728) Schmidty (735) JAG (743) GoldenEagle (746)

Didn't vote: Telle

Day 4 vote:
The Jackal 1 -- claphamsa (756)
claphamsa 8 -- Lathum (825) The Jackal (900) Telle (911) JAG (934) GoldenEagle (949) Kwhit (952) Darth Vilus (965) Schmidty (979)
GoldenEagle 4 -- Lorena (838) PurdueBrad (897) lerriuqs (944) DaddyTorgo (967)

[JAG]

Seriously, clap's play makes no sense at all, especially when the village is clearly winning. By not clearing a number of villagers with his scan results even if he hadn't found a wolf (and he essentially did with Jackal fake revealing), it sets us way back because we have no guaranteed cleared players.

[GoldenEagle]

It should be noted that even though it was painfully obvious that it was going to be me vs. clap for the lynch, he never switched his vote to me. That should be telling.

[KWhit]

Wow.

That was a pile of shit.

[Schmidty]

I'm going to be spending some time with my sick kid now that she woke up, so I won't be around for a little while. I'll leave myself in the thread though.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm going to be spending some time with my sick kid now that she woke up, so I won't be around for a little while. I'll leave myself in the thread though.

Hope she feels better soon!

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If there is than it is the last wolf probably.

I have no problem with that list. I say we start with Darth. There was a lot of talk about Darth being valuable to the team and we shouldn't lynch him, than he is convieniantly scanned the next day as good.

Do the math.

I already stated I suspected u before Jackyl's fake reveal. Looks like u think it's me and i think it's u. Time for people to choose sides. Im not sure about JAG but i think he is ok.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Wow.

That was a pile of shit.

Yeah, I love me some clap, but that really, really sucked. Terrible.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Telle

He cleared three. It's my guess that there's at least one wolf in there.

Yeah there likely is - I keep going back to that Day 2 vote and looking at who is on GE that day. It's very telling and lines up with Jackal's "cleared" list.

[GoldenEagle]

By the way, can the PM that clap sent out be made public?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Time for the match! The squad is really feeling like they ought to be in place to nab a win today, but even without DaddyTorgo, they don’t seem like they had a chance in this one. The squad still finds itself unlucky in getting a #2 Striker to help out Darth Vilus (who again shares Man of the Match awards with Schimdty), as JAG replaces claphamsa at the last minute, doing almost as poorly as GoldenEagle (though obviously not THAT bad). A bore draw.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Full Back, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. LoneStarGirl, Goalkeeper, 90
4. GoldenEagle, Winger, 76
5. Lorena, Center Back, 67
6. Lathum, Winger, 65
7. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
8. Telle, Central Midfielder, 44
9. PurdueBrad, Central Midfielder, 25
10. JAG, Striker, 5

Total: 625
Result: Draw
Points: 4

Edited this, since I forgot to include LSG at Goalkeeper. The total was correct, however.

[lerriuqs]

Also the further this game goes, I think there's 5 wolves. Jackal, Lathum/Darth (leaning towards Lathum) and one other who's staying out of the light - most likely either LSG or Lorena. 4 just seems too easy.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

By the way, can the PM that clap sent out be made public?

What?

[JAG]

nitpick lerriuqs, but Darth shouldn't be green on D1.

VOTE JACKAL

May as well get that out of the way.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What?

He said he sent the PM to the wrong group of people, so I think in fairness everyone should see it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

After the confidence last match, KWhit chooses to play a shortened game with no reserve players against the squad’s next opponent. He announces his lineup:

1 Goalkeeper - LoneStarGirl
2 Center Backs - Lorena, DaddyTorgo
2 Full Backs - Schmidty, lerriuqs
2 Central Midfielders - PurdueBrad, Telle
2 Wingers - GoldenEagle, Lathum
2 Strikers - Darth Vilus, ~~~~~~~~~ JAG

As everyone takes their positions, you notice that DaddyTorgo is missing. DaddyTorgo has been eaten by wolves In his place is another note:

Player Report on DaddyTorgo by Passacaglia

DaddyTorgo is the starting Striker for the team. He’s one of three great Strikers on the squad, but does not have the versatility. He and MartinD should rotate between Striker and the 3rd Bench spot, depending on who is in better condition.

DaddyTorgo’s skills:

GK: 13
CB: 48
FB: 52
CM: 41
W: 51
S: 94
Average: 50

Edited this as well -- KWhit chose the short game with no bnech players, not the 9-on-9 game.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Also the further this game goes, I think there's 5 wolves. Jackal, Lathum/Darth (leaning towards Lathum) and one other who's staying out of the light - most likely either LSG or Lorena. 4 just seems too easy.

If there's 5 then go with Lorena for the 5th. Sounds like Clap told GE something. And GE was inexplicibly pushing Lorena, so.....

[lerriuqs]

Can we do a nightfall Pass?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Also the further this game goes, I think there's 5 wolves. Jackal, Lathum/Darth (leaning towards Lathum) and one other who's staying out of the light - most likely either LSG or Lorena. 4 just seems too easy.

I've been thinking 5 wolves as well, although I have to revisit who I was thinking as those wolves. I don't think with only two wolves left they make the play they did.

[Lathum]

I would be surprised if there were 5.

Jackal is the obvious vote.

We also need to look at who pushed hard for Clap's lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

He said he sent the PM to the wrong group of people, so I think in fairness everyone should see it.

The punishment (or the attempt to make the situation more fair) for his sending the PM to the wrong group of people was going to be that it would be harder for the village to win that last game. Since it didn't matter in the end, I didn't bother mentioning it.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What?

Clap sent a pm to Lorena, LSG, and myself while thinking we were all on the bench and thus had PM rights. All it said was that he's a ninja. Just clap being clap.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

If there's 5 then go with Lorena for the 5th. Sounds like Clap told GE something. And GE was inexplicibly pushing Lorena, so.....

I have not had any PM interaction with clap.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Can we do a nightfall Pass?

Sure. Although, I don't want to rush KWhit. Maybe people can spend some of the waiting time trying to help him out?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Telle

Clap sent a pm to Lorena, LSG, and myself while thinking we were all on the bench and thus had PM rights. All it said was that he's a ninja. Just clap being clap.

[JAG]

lol, and yeah, is it any wonder the wolves killed Alan? He nailed *3* of them.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I have not had any PM interaction with clap.

my bad, i misunderstood. I apologize

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would be surprised if there were 5.

Jackal is the obvious vote.

We also need to look at who pushed hard for Clap's lynch.

14-4 seems awful high as a starting point. If there's only 4, there's no way Jackal gives any wolves as names.

[Telle]

vote The Jackal

vote nightfall

[lerriuqs]

Kwhit have you had any meaningful PMs with LSG - any idea whether she's good or wolf?

[Darth Vilus]

what's nightfall?

[lerriuqs]

Also KWhit - need any help with the lineup?

[JAG]

Alright, so here's a fresh look at the D3 voting:

6:33am LSG votes lerriuqs - lerriuqs 1
10:18am Lorena votes lerriuqs - lerriuqs 2
10:55am Jackal votes GE - lerriuqs 2 GE 1
11:30am Lathum votes Darth - lerruqs 2 GE 1 Darth 1
11:57am lerriuqs votes Jackal - lerriuqs 2 GE 1 Darth 1 Jackal 1
11:58am clap votes Jackal - lerriuqs 2 Jackal 2 GE 1 Darth 1
12:01pm GE votes Jackal - Jackal 3 lerriuqs 2 GE 1 Darth 1
12:08pm Jackal unvotes GE, votes lerriuqs - lerriuqs 3 Jackal 3 Darth 1
12:21pm J23 votes Darth - Jackal 3 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2
12:24pm KWhit votes Jackal - Jackal 4 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2
12:42pm lerriuqs unvotes Jackal votes DT - Jackal 3 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2 DT 1
12:45pm Jackal unovtes lerriuqs votes Darth - Jackal 3 Darth 3 lerriuqs 2 DT 1
12:56pm KWhit unvotes Jackal - Darth 3 lerriuqs 2 Jackal 2 DT 1
1:03pm clap unvotes Jackal votes lerriuqs - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 Jackal 1 DT 1
1:09pm Alan votes J23 - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 Jackal 1 DT 1 J23 1
1:11pm KWhit votes Lathum - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 Jackal 1 DT 1 J23 1 Lathum 1
1:14pm lerriuqs unvotes DT votes J23 - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 J23 2 Jackal 1 Lathum 1
1:16pm KWhit unvotes Lathum - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 J23 2 Jackal 1
1:18pm KWhit votes J23 - Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 J23 3 Jackal 1
1:23pm DT votes J23 - J23 4 Darth 3 lerriuqs 3 Jackal 1
1:32pm Jackal unvotes Darth votes lerriuqs - J23 4 lerriuqs 4 Darth 2 Jackal 1
1:38pm Darth votes J23 - J23 5 lerriuqs 4 Darth 1 Jackal 1
1:46pm Schmidty votes J23 - J23 6 lerriuqs 4 Darth 1 Jackal 1
1:49pm J23 unvotes Darth votes lerriuqs - J23 6 lerriuqs 5 Jackal 1
1:51pm GE unvotes Jackal - J23 6 lerriuqs 5
1:57pm JAG votes J23 - J23 7 lerriuqs 5
1:58pm GE votes J23 - J23 8 lerriuqs 5

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

what's nightfall?

It ends the day early. If everyone votes nightfall then the day ends. It's often useful when it's very obvious that a wolf has been caught and you don't want to wait around a full day to get the lynch over with.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

what's nightfall?

We just advanced to the next night. It is used in situations when we have nailed an obvious wolf. I think it has to be unanimous among all players though.

[Darth Vilus]

Alright, i see. Ok

Vote Jackal
Vote Nightfall

I go to work in a little while so i won't be around

[JAG]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

14-4 seems awful high as a starting point. If there's only 4, there's no way Jackal gives any wolves as names.

There have to be at least 4 though since obviously there's no way Jackal makes this play. It's a high starting point, but the village also has a number of roles, the match winning mechanism, and unless there are hidden roles, which there is no evidence of, all the wolves are vanilla.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by JAG

There have to be at least 4 though since obviously there's no way Jackal makes this play. It's a high starting point, but the village also has a number of roles, the match winning mechanism, and unless there are hidden roles, which there is no evidence of, all the wolves are vanilla.

Which more than likely means 5.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by JAG

12:21pm J23 votes Darth - Jackal 3 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2
12:24pm KWhit votes Jackal - Jackal 4 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2
12:42pm lerriuqs unvotes Jackal votes DT - Jackal 3 lerriuqs 3 Darth 2 DT 1
12:45pm Jackal unovtes lerriuqs votes Darth - Jackal 3 Darth 3 lerriuqs 2 DT 1

That sequence makes me feel pretty safe about Darth being good.

[PurdueBrad]

Guh is all I can say.

vote Jackal
vote nightfall

[JAG]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Which more than likely means 5.

Sorry, I thought you were saying 14-4 was a high amount of wolves.

[JAG]

VOTE NIGHTFALL I didn't throw that in above.

[The Jackal]

Wow, thank you clap.

vote jackal
vote nightfall

I'm tired. Go wolves.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

With the news of the internal sabotage of your squad, your next opponent has decided to show some mercy. They have given you the opportunity to play either a 9-on-9 game, or to play a shorter game such that you will not need substitutes. Since they feel pretty confident either way, they've decided to let KWhit make the decision as the game begins. If he chooses the shorter game, he will name 11 starters and no subs. If he chooses the 9-on-9 game, he will name 9 starters (1 GK, and 1-2 of every other position as he sees fit), and everyone else will sit on the bench as a sub. Either way, only 700 points will be required for a win.

Day 3 begins! You may now PM with your new partners.

A simlar deal is offered for the next game, with the options being 7-on-7 with subs, or 9-on-9 without subs. 650 points will be required for a win.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by JAG

That sequence makes me feel pretty safe about Darth being good.

The question is can we link that pattern together and clear you and lathum as well?