NFL Week 9 Discussion Thread: More Breaking News

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by stevew

Wade has to get fired, right?

Surely he can't survive the week.

Peter King was calling for him to be fired in MMQB after last week's game, so I figure the calls get a lot louder after another debacle this week.

[Senator]

I get a kick out of all you Dallas haters. You guys are the funny. Makes going through these losses kind of worth it.

[miami_fan]

Really, the best NFL coaches can do for a backup plan when the kicker gets hurt is a DT and WR? I am not saying that teams should waste a spot on a second kicker but come on. The punter should at least be able to put an extra point through and don't tell me that only one person can handle the placement of a FG attempt on a team. For all the planning teams do, this just seem like an area that could/should have a better backup plan.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

It was the seventh of November, and all through the land... The Cowboys and Packers game was at hand. The Cowboys kept sucking, like they usually do... Brandon Jackson says they bit off, more than they could chew. Rodgers kept running, against this crappy D... the Cowboys kept letting him burn their crappy team. The Cowboys barely touched the freaking ball, as far as possessions, the Packers had them all.

Kitna, the veteran, sucks more than McGee. He loves to throw footballs, to the other team... This team is antique, so they say... they can't come off their stances, they can't find their way.

Even with amazing field position, they ruin the play. This is not their night, no this is not their day. It's Lambeau field, and the night is cold. This Dallas Cowboys Football team is growing old. The linemen are aging, and Kitna stinks. Way to let GB better their chances at rings. The Cowboys have lost, again and again. They were pummeled this time, and punched in the chins.

This was fantastic. Bravo

[Suburban Rhythm]

Interesting note in today's Post Gazette:

Ochocinco has never had a 100 yard receiving game against a defense coahced by Dick Lebeau.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bronconick

So, the Jets rough the kicker and hurt Jason Hanson. Nick Harris, the punter, is the holder, therefore can't kick, at least on short notice. So, who attempts the extra point?

Ndamukong Suh.

Hit the upright and missed, but goddamn if that isn't funny.

Okay, that is funny, but seriously? Nick Harris couldn't kick the extra point because they couldn't find someone else to catch the call and stick his finger on top of it? That job was too important, so might as well get someone else to kick it? That sounds completely insane to me.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Hey, Linehan and Schwartz, you dumbfucks. When the other team has no timeouts left and it's 3rd down inside two minutes and your backup QB is in, just run the fucking ball and run 40 seconds off the clock.

Fixed. I saw the play, but didn't realized Stafford was out then until someone told me later. Geez.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Really, the best NFL coaches can do for a backup plan when the kicker gets hurt is a DT and WR? I am not saying that teams should waste a spot on a second kicker but come on. The punter should at least be able to put an extra point through and don't tell me that only one person can handle the placement of a FG attempt on a team. For all the planning teams do, this just seem like an area that could/should have a better backup plan.

Right. I think it's pretty stupid to have the punter be the holder anyway -- I'd rather have a backup QB in there for fakes or in case something wacky happens.

[stevew]

It reminds me of when James Harrison had to long snap, and ended up contributing to a loss vs the Giants.

I'm saddened that Stafford keeps getting hurt. Stafford to CJ was going to be worth spending the next 5-10 thanksgivings with.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Senator

I get a kick out of all you Dallas haters. You guys are the funny. Makes going through these losses kind of worth it.

I'm a Giants fan, I have to hate the.

I did root for the Rangers in the World Series FWIW.

[stevew]

Suh missing that extra point had to make someone lose a fantasy game.

[Lathum]

I think it would be awesome if the Cowboys lose next week, then win out to finish at 8-8 and get the 16th pick in the draft.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by stevew

Suh missing that extra point had to make someone lose a fantasy game.

I wonder if he'll have K eligibility next week.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by Senator

I get a kick out of all you Dallas haters. You guys are the funny. Makes going through these losses kind of worth it.

i don't hate the cowboys. in fact after the marlins stuff i have a lot more respect for teams that reinvest in their franchise (and conversely a lot more suspicious of teams that are 'just scraping by')

that said they're the ultimate bandwagon team and easy to resent. doesn't a day go by when i don't see a car on the road with dueling cowboys/yankees bumper stickers.

[Rizon]

Why not go for 2 points. I'd think your chances are better going for 2 instead of having someone named Suh try to kick.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Why not go for 2 points. I'd think your chances are better going for 2 instead of having someone named Suh try to kick.

Someone probably said the same thing about the name Igwebuike 25 or so years ago.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Why not go for 2 points. I'd think your chances are better going for 2 instead of having someone named Suh try to kick.

Absolutely and I thought the same thing.

I think having Suh kick was a bigger bonehead decision than giving Stanton the option to pass on 3rd down with under 2 minutes.

[molson]

They must have though he gave them a 90% chance or better. He wasn't thrown out there randomly, he is apparently the backup kicker and kicks extra points at practice.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by molson

They must have though he gave them a 90% chance or better. He wasn't thrown out there randomly, he is apparently the backup kicker and kicks extra points at practice.

He played soccer in HS, iirc, and was supposedly pretty good.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Why not go for 2 points. I'd think your chances are better going for 2 instead of having someone named Suh try to kick.

Wasn't the kicker roughed on the XP attempt? Once you've made the attempt, can you change your mind and go for 2?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Wasn't the kicker roughed on the XP attempt? Once you've made the attempt, can you change your mind and go for 2?

I don't see why not. I mean, if the kick is blocked, but you managed to grab the ball and get it in the endzone, that counts as two.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Senator

I get a kick out of all you Dallas haters. You guys are the funny. Makes going through these losses kind of worth it.

Lots of hate in this forum. If its not Favre its the Cowboys, if its not the Cowboys it Moss, if its not Moss its the Pats, if its not the Pats its the Philly fans. I guess its much easier to kick someone when they are down.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Lots of hate in this forum. If its not Favre its the Cowboys, if its not the Cowboys it Moss, if its not Moss its the Pats, if its not the Pats its the Philly fans. I guess its much easier to kick someone when they are down.

If you think there is lots of hate on this forum you don't spend much time on the interwebs.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If you think there is lots of hate on this forum you don't spend much time on the interwebs.

Yeah I probably should have worded that differently. Its actually a pretty decent place other than hearing Favre comments every Sunday and having HiFi around.

Point still remains though. The Raiders are looking as good as they have in 7-8 years and we'd rather talk about how crappy the Cowboys are.

[MikeVic]

Raiders looking good in preseason.

[MikeVic]

And what's the bigger story, cocky obnoxious Jerry Jones being served with a crappy team that should not be this crappy due to the talent they seemingly have? Or the Raiders doing decent, perhaps because they don't have JaMarcus there anymore?

The Cowboys were supposed to be a Super Bowl-contending team and right now they're one of the worst in the league. The Raiders have had decent defense the last few years I think and with an OK QB are winning a couple more games, but are not Super Bowl contenders. What's the bigger story?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

And what's the bigger story, cocky obnoxious Jerry Jones being served with a crappy team that should not be this crappy due to the talent they seemingly have? Or the Raiders doing decent, perhaps because they don't have JaMarcus there anymore?

The Cowboys were supposed to be a Super Bowl-contending team and right now they're one of the worst in the league. The Raiders have had decent defense the last few years I think and with an OK QB are winning a couple more games, but are not Super Bowl contenders. What's the bigger story?

Well considering how much bashing the Raiders have taken for the past 3-4 years Id almost say them being a decent team again is pretty amazing considering Al Davis is still alive.

The Cowboys being a Super Bowl contending team was on name value and experts predicting this. I watched them live get destoyed in the playoffs last year. Personally, I never thought they were a Super Bowl contender. I think the Cowboys are a bigger story because of their reputation more than anything. The 49ers were predicted to win their division yet we dont hear about them every week.

[Noop]

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Wasn't the kicker roughed on the XP attempt? Once you've made the attempt, can you change your mind and go for 2?

Also, it was on a FG attempt. Stafford ran it in from the 1 on the next play.

[SnowMan]

That doesn't look like Pete Carroll.....

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Lots of hate in this forum. If its not Favre its the Cowboys, if its not the Cowboys it Moss, if its not Moss its the Pats, if its not the Pats its the Philly fans. I guess its much easier to kick someone when they are down.

For real...how did the Eagles fans not cheer a little louder when Collie was down? I am disappointed.

[Coffee Warlord]

I love how everyone in the local media is singing the praises of a 'balanced offense' with the Bears today.

Uh, guys? Your RB's averaged 2.3 yards per carry. For 62 yards. Your QB had 40 yards rushing on his own. Against arguably the worst team in the league, certainly one of the worst rushing defenses in the league.

Quality running game this is not.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I love how everyone in the local media is singing the praises of a 'balanced offense' with the Bears today.

Uh, guys? Your RB's averaged 2.3 yards per carry. For 62 yards. Your QB had 40 yards rushing on his own. Against arguably the worst team in the league, certainly one of the worst rushing defenses in the league.

Quality running game this is not.

These stats are balanced against Jay Cutler mind you

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I love how everyone in the local media is singing the praises of a 'balanced offense' with the Bears today.

Uh, guys? Your RB's averaged 2.3 yards per carry. For 62 yards. Your QB had 40 yards rushing on his own. Against arguably the worst team in the league, certainly one of the worst rushing defenses in the league.

Quality running game this is not.

But they scored from the 1!!

And it looks like they averaged 2.58 yards per carry.

[bronconick]

Supposedly Suh was making 35 yard field goals in the preseason when the offense and defense would have "kicking contests"

I think the bigger question to that would be "Why would the coach of the Detroit Lions think his team is good enough to waste practice time on kicking contests"?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Listening to Pittsburgh radio station, saying Cowboys have called 5pm press conference. Not very shocking, but news nonetheless.

[flounder]

Yeah. Dallas media is reporting that Wade Phillips is out. If they could only fire their general manager, they might be on to something.

[cartman]

Yep, word is that Phillips is out and Jason Garrett has been handed the reins. That leaves a hole at both coordinator spots, since CWP was the defensive coordinator as well.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I think the bigger question to that would be "Why would the coach of the Detroit Lions think his team is good enough to waste practice time on kicking contests"?

You really think that is a bigger question? I don't think these kicking contests are anything new.. I could swear the Packers do something like this too.

[Lathum]

Interesting turn of events, I guess Jerry figured he had to do something.

I don't think they get a big name coach in there unless JJ is willing to hand over control. An ego like Gruden can't occupy the same space as JJ.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Mustang

You really think that is a bigger question? I don't think these kicking contests are anything new.. I could swear the Packers do something like this too.

It is when it is the Lions. They can barely get out of their own way most of the time, so for them to waste time on offense/defense kicking contests is rather ridiculous. Kinda like Wade Phillips writing a how-to book about coaching in the NFL.

[cmp]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

It is when it is the Lions. They can barely get out of their own way most of the time, so for them to waste time on offense/defense kicking contests is rather ridiculous. Kinda like Wade Phillips writing a how-to book about coaching in the NFL.

I'm sure it didn't take away from actual time spent on other areas of practice. It's just something extra.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

They can barely get out of their own way most of the time, so for them to waste time on offense/defense kicking contests is rather ridiculous.

The Lions have done alot over the years that is questionable, but something that is probably done for fun at the tail end of practice? Whole lotta meh.. They were probably doing it for an extra hour of curfew or some other nonsense.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Mustang

The Lions have done alot over the years that is questionable...

If you were a Lions fan this would have been worded quite differently, and involved several crappy draft picks, an incompetent GM, and questionable coaching decisions.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Senator

I get a kick out of all you Dallas haters. You guys are the funny. Makes going through these losses kind of worth it.

Look at my screen name... what else am I supposed to be?

Plus when you add in the annoying bandwagon fans that team has it just makes it that much better to watch them flounder (and watch the bandwagon fans hide their Cowboys stuff).

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

For real...how did the Eagles fans not cheer a little louder when Collie was down? I am disappointed.

Lousy call by the refs on that one....

Even worse call by whoever makes the call to show replays at the stadium; showing replays of that play while he was still on the ground. Replaying a controversial call at that time is not the way to go, IMHO. You've got a crowd that is upset by the bad call and then getting them more upset while the guy is on the ground is not really a good idea at that point.

Now the "Manning call" late in the game; while called correctly by the "letter of the law" it was still a pretty weak call (but I can't complain about the call as much as want the rules to change a little).

[Thomkal]

Yep ESPN is reporting Wade is out and Jason Garrett in. Can Brad Childress be far behind?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it would be awesome if the Cowboys lose next week, then win out to finish at 8-8 and get the 16th pick in the draft.

You almost fooled me with that one and got me to +1 it. Maybe they can win next week and then lose two other games this season to finish 7-9 and still not get a top 10 pick.

[Rizon]

Hasn't Jason Garrett been groomed for this job for like the last 15 years?

[EagleFan]

He's done such a great job with the play calling?